What Genshin Impact Players Think Of Wuthering Waves

[@azulite_revz4514]

3 seconds in and genshin fans just exposed themselves as a totally normal fanbase xD

[@morbus__]

they always has been

[@Khn_2102]

Fr, What do they even mean by that? 😂 There are already Encore and Verina

[@nathan.marcal]

@@Khn_2102 if it uses *child* as word it means more like chibi-like I think, not some loli adult-woman with low height that act cute. Child do childish think like Verina and Encore with dolls... not some sensual provocations.

[@vidzorko4492]

wuwa players are just as annoying. its the same socially inept neckbeards anyway

[@tundra2861]

Genshin fanbase might be the only fanbase that complains about female adult characters showing skin, but has no problem if a literal child character does it

[@markedone494]

Dont tell them Mihoyo literally started as a group of incels creating borderline child pornography

[@ThomasAndy-qu8dp]

theyre a bunch of hypocrites because a massive amount of them clearly enjoys the porn of it and share a lot of fan art of the characters. I mean seriously, are we going to say the female characters aren't made attractive on purpose ? And they clearly get more work done on their design too.

[@crash5758]

They’re fricking weird asf

[@bosshakuray]

pedo impact

[@maravreloaded]

Idk where's any person complaining about female characters showing meat. They must be wokemericans so they don't represent the whole fanbase. And... What child character does what? I haven't touched GI since like 2 years ago. Too many updates of content that I CAN'T EXPERIENCE because"oh the explorer level" and your mother.

[@Ricky47564ty]

Genshin: You want Better Exploration? Today is your Lucky Day, Here you go, we have Designed 5-Star Characters Yelan, Wanderer, Xianyun or sayu. You can just Purchase it, Swipe it, or Work hard for it in our map to get it in our Gacha 90 pity or wait for their reruns. Wuthering Waves: You want better exploration? Just use any of our Free Characters, we have lots of 4-stars there. Wuthering Waves: What? You need 5 Star Characters to use for Exploration? Here you go, 3 Free 5-Star Selectors and 50 Std Pulls and 30 Limited Pulls. Just Get What you want, we made it just 80 pity, and also with Guaranteed limited weapons, no need to gacha. ❤

[@afra4664]

and take this hell rider and three head bird to explore most quickly.

[@NEUVILLETTE500]

Genshin impact is just a money maker to the point some 4 stars might have better lore than literal 5 stars.💀 And once a character has played their role,they get forgotten and left to rot unless they become a playable character.And even then,most of the times they’re never shown again.

[@maserto5272]

Don't abbreviate Standard like that man.

[@MichaelTendayiChikamhi]

"lack of child characters" Someone call the FBI 💀

[@YappingPaimon]

1. Guarantee weapon banner 2. Unlimited stamina outside battle 3. Every character can do Parkour/double jump/dash/grapple even i accidently tried grapple in genshin doing daily(pak hoyo sell wanderer/xianyun/kazuha) pak story, pak music i dont care, WUWA win.

[@Mr_DE_0395]

They say echo farming is tedious, meanwhile I have 6 WHOLE sets of echo just by playing casually, and it's 2 weeks into the game, not min max for sure but compare to when I was still playing genshin, I can't even get half of that result 3 years into genshin, wtf are these people on about ? If they say you have to run around to find them, in genshin you also have to do it, and the reward for it is some random ass upgrade mats, same shit, but less worth, you get mats AND echo in wuwa. And running around this Wuwa is way better too.

[@Hei_Senlin]

Plus there's the presence of tacet fields, got some good ones from them

[@tris1591]

yeah a kinda out of echo exp and tuner right now but i done building 5 character , 3 of them was 8/10 build. It u really unlucky u still gonna at least done building 2 character and the game only 3 week . Genshin u need AR45 to actually farm artifact and it gonna take month or two to build 1 character . Yeah echo exp and tuner are kinda a problem right now , but they gonna update it in 1.1 or if it not enough they might upgrade it more , or even delete tuner out of the game .

[@JKTonshi]

Minmaxers will always ask for a mile when given an inch, it's unsurprising. There are some issues with the echo acquisition system especially the 3-cost ones having excessive stat-bloat, but the push for strictly endgame-tier rolls the moment you finish everything in the game is more entitlement than anything. More balanced stat-roll percentages for each tuned substat could only do so much before people ask for even more.

[@trashbuilds8351]

So true, i farmed for over 6 months in Genshin...thankfully on MH set that can be used with tons of characters, but it took forever - I've been too busy to grind Wuwa so only just reached 80% gold drop rate and I already have decent echoes for 3 whole teams....plus we can SHARE ECHOES/weapons for endgame and swap them over so you only need a handful of cracked sets. AND that merge thing has given me so many good echoes....I gold gold ones from merging greens and blues!

[@jonathanvue6502]

The want for child characters is a red flag lol

[@touchedme1637]

NEON RED

[@morbus__]

self-report

[@XxAzrael]

It already is and I would have called that person someone who loved to go playground snipping

[@Khn_2102]

They exposed themselves

[@XxAzrael]

Check their harddrive

[@kh9rm9]

Bro I clicked on this video and not even 2 seconds in I hear lack of child characters wtf💀

[@hado9053]

Weird community fr

[@hwe3958]

Same, like what r bro saying? :v

[@touchedme1637]

"I beg your pardon???"

[@Goldberry1303]

And this is weirder 14:04 💀

[@lunaticyoshi1]

@@Goldberry1303 Yeah, people dissing WuWa because it lacks shorter f%$#@!^% boys are definitely weird (to put it nicely).

[@anon41031]

Genshin: Spend all your hard earn primos on Xianyun to traverse the world faster and enable plunge attack meta! WuWa: Go have fun.

[@Qihwjsishwjsdb]

Dont forget the unlimited stamina when running (not in battles*

[@onethousandyearsofcultivat78]

Don't understand how you can compare the Story of Genshin with Wuthering Waves since we're literally in version 1 of Wuwa. Genshin's version 1 story was also pretty basic. If we're comparing stories we have to compare vanilla Genshin 1.0 with Wuwa 1.0 and even though Wuwa's intro is terrible the story becomes good from Act 3 and on.

[@ugh5281]

this is one comparison that bothers me bc when people say “genshin’s story is so much better” i’m like well no shit??? are you seriously comparing a story that has nearly 4 years in the making, way more characters and way more lore? makes no sense. i do think there are fair criticisms to make when it comes to wuwa’s storytelling especially in the first few acts but i feel like people are being way too biased. genshin’s early 1.0 story was not good either, it was a generic introductory story, just like wuwa. one thing that genshin did better however was easing the player into the world whereas wuwa’s story is basically just exposition dump full of difficult names which can throw the player off but in terms of quality of early story it’s subjective. the bugs and issues with the EN localization and VA didn’t help wuwa either… imo genshin has an overall better introduction but wuwa ends on a stronger note. that said, they’re both pretty basic and generic introductory stories. i’ll have to wait and see in which direction they’ll take wuwa’s story in order to be able to make some fair comparisons…

[@HazardTone]

Nah stop or you'll be flamed by Genshitards who have this thinking that Wuwa should compete to all 4 years of Genshin Content 😂

[@Cenzurat]

Its about presentation, dialogue,intrractivity, not just the actual story.

[@Rook_Gaming_Original]

Genshin's story sucks and have so many plotholes and asinine moments simple asking my kids about the story made them realize how stupid the story is. He wants to pass out flyers to find his sister .......🤣🤣🤣

[@No-Ink]

I'll say as someone who played it since its start but grew to be frustrated and quit Genshin a year ago; Genshin's story is more coherent. The beginning while simple, did a great job establishing the world. WuWa's beginning is messy and just drops you off with new word jargon and some odd placements of certain cutscenes like the Jiyan first appearence cutscene which feels like they made that for an earlier iteration of the story but kept it in just because even if it made no sense. But WuWa has better cutscene animations, facial expressions and better direction. The last scene in Jiyan's quest in the field of flowers wasvreally well done. If WuWa can improve the story with that great cutscene direction, Genshin just looks even more stilted with its cutscenes and dialouge box slog.

[@lucianof9080]

honestly, WuWa got my heart for the simple fact that the male characters are hot. It took 3.4 for Genshin to release a male character without spaghetti arms (Alhaitham) and 4.1 for a male character without spaghetti arms and legs and with an actual good male physique (Wriothesly). Just give me hot males.

[@feralchimaera99]

3 years worth of opportunities to give what players want but they got complacent and stood their ground not to cater a lot of people wanted, needed for the game. Comes a competitor that gave the community just that then they suddenly turned their heels and gave them minor minor qol's. Even announced a new end game that's just enhanced version of the previous end game.

[@eumeliaria7081]

'Even announced a new end game that's just enhanced version of the previous end game." Dont forget that MHY backtracked on what they said one year ago. That they won't make End Game beside Spiral Abyss. I don't believe they decided to make a new End Game a few months ago.

[@ehe8692]

Gensin Anniversary: "The real reward was the friends we made along the way" WUWA: "Here u go bud, *3 free 5 stars*"

[@lunaticyoshi1]

It's pretty crazy to think that Genshin couldn't give a free standard banner 5 star selector for the last anniversary. All of the standard banner 5 stars have been power crept (by newer 4 stars in some cases), so their value is pretty low. Losing the 50/50 in Genshin is a literal punishment.

[@ehe8692]

@@lunaticyoshi1 WuWa should have taken the opportunity during the Great Qiqi Protest

[@ThomasAndy-qu8dp]

@@lunaticyoshi1 to this day, myfriend who started playing since the 2.0 still doesn't have Mona. And she wanted it lol.

[@lunaticyoshi1]

@ThomasAndy-qu8dp Yeah, I'm in the same situation, but with Keqing. I have multiple constellations for certain standard characters, but still no Keqing.

[@ehe8692]

@@lunaticyoshi1 same, but I have all everyone c0 and C5 keqing but still no monstadt grandmaster that I wanted ...

[@leogurung4721]

Genshin artifact domain is tedious man.. takes month to farm for good artifacts if u don’t wanna pay for raisin .. crimson domain still gives me PTSD

[@cjvaans4484]

Its so bad. I always get def for both main and substat. The rng sucks ball. Also limited by resins.

[@MalganisLefay]

@@cjvaans4484 the wonders of a stat system that is weighted against you and where the undesirable stats have at least 2x the chance to appear than the good stuff

[@oli201]

I already have some echoes with double crit stats on some good pieces AND they roll only need to roll 1 time. Like in Genshin it's one thing to finally find a piece with all 4 perfect substats you could want after years and then have it roll on atk% only.

[@srzarz3017]

It’s straight up garbage when raiden released I farmed for her artifact for a year and gave up cause even after a year I didn’t get a single good artifact from tht sht domain. WW I already have a descent set for my party that I can use until I stumble upon a perfect one.

[@spiritlord1]

i agree. i still hold some PTSD from the emblem domain. 😭

[@alexmarker1500]

After seeing Wuthering Waves characters, i have noticed that Genshin Impact's Characters have Bigger Heads than their bodies it's kinda funny, especially Lumine and Aether really have bigger heads from their body, it's so weird. Also the Environment in Genshin feels so cartoonish or 2D-ish because maybe it runs in Unity while Wuthering Waves runs in Unreal Engine designed for 3D that's why details are much more realistic

[@shiroeikami8467]

It's an artistic choice. Typically you'll find the head slightly bigger in anime. There's even meme about anime real life where they post pic everyone head is bigger.

[@Xemera18]

​@@shiroeikami8467 thank God I thought I was crazy when I noticed genshin's character have big heads, thank you

[@ikkisenjuro3729]

some games run using Unity has 3D, darker tone as well (PGR from kuro games using Unity, for an example) but G dev team prolly decided something like "let's make it a vibrant world with full color that can cause epilepsy for some" in the end it's more like the art direction of the game, not the engine's

[@therisencomrade3452]

For me after seeing Wuwa characters, I can finally see how flawless genshin character are.

[@maravreloaded]

Isn't realistic and being realistic doesn't make it better or worse. The movement and combat and not ridiculously abusive gacha makes it better.

[@razornad1299]

The fact they need 4.0 genshin to compare to 1.0 wuwa is crazy :v

[@abelingaw5070]

lol, did you watched one of Teccy's video where a GI shill compares GI's sales for a month to WW's 1 week sale? They're just coping as hard as they can at this point..

[@radicalthunder5740]

Now imagine 4.0 wuwa

[@TopTOBiiiii]

​@@radicalthunder5740 ooofff

[@lowspender147]

​@@radicalthunder5740and then those ignorant kids will compare it with 7.0 genshin

[@TKP83349]

8:35 MAN REALLY AT THIS POINT THAY JUST TAKING A MASSIVE L!! I got two crit rate main stet Echoes for completely Free without spending any wave plates Yeah it takes me a lot of time to get those Echoes(I got after 15 to 16 trys) but still I don't have to wait for another 4+hour like genshin for farming THOSE Echoes again I can farm this Echoes for how much long I want and infinitely and also there's no limit how much can you farm in one day! This is really so convenient and if I don't have time or I don't want to farm Echoes by exploring the world then I can just go to TD fields and farm those by using my waves plates AND ALSO FARMING Echoes IN THE OPEN WORLD GIVES YOU A REASON TO EXPLORE THE WORLD AFTER ACHIEVING 100% EXPLORATION IN EVERY REGION OF THE WORLD IT'S NOT LIKE GENSHIN THAT AFTER YOU HAVE ACHIEVED 100% IN EVERY REGION THEN THERE'S NO REASON TO GO TO THOSE PLACES AND EXPLORE IT AGAIN IT'S KIND OF OVER WORLD BECAME USELESS AFTER ACHIEVING 100% BUT IN WUWA YOU CAN STILL EXPLORE THE WORLD AFTER ACHIEVING 100% IN EVERY CORNER OF THE WORLD FOR Echoes

[@reisaizel4562]

also, in wuwa theres a reason you need to get stronger characters unlike in genshin, you get perfect sub stats only to pick mint, bully enemies and flex your damage.

[@MarcSy]

I wrote on the recent Genshin survey that they missed the opportunity of giving other companies a hard time to catch up to them in spite of being the lead for years. And they should fire who ever is in charge of moving Genshin forward. Like a certain CC said, we now have a game that can help break the abusive relationship we have with Genshin, thats WW.

[@YappingPaimon]

genshin panic now, player feels slow in Genshin after taste wuwa mechanics. Genshin could reworks/add new mechanic all this year but they sell character for better exploration.

[@cjvaans4484]

It's Genshin producer. Who is also one of the founders of Mihoyo. He once produced Honkai Impact 3rd . The game was very grindy and gave little rewards to players back then until he left and replaced by someone better.

[@MarcSy]

@@YappingPaimon I cant wait for Genshin to actually copy what WW implemented, specially the ones we have been asking Genshin for years.

[@MarcSy]

@@cjvaans4484 He should be replaced. Unless Genshin has a planned obsolescence, then he is doing a good job. XD

[@YappingPaimon]

@@MarcSy wuwa is what genshin player wish for. Mihoyo should kick that producer before too late.

[@Ryujinjakaroth]

rGachagaming is coping real hard with his beloved game😂

[@okularnik125]

They just memeing about it since it was supposed to bring Genshin down . It's kinda like this India Superpower meme

[@Kyugorn]

You say coping. I say malding and seething.

[@Ryujinjakaroth]

@@Kyugorn sure

[@taigashizuma3556]

we can use the inferno rider FOR FREE !

[@stormriderikki27]

First 2 secs definitely exposed majority of Genshin Audience xD

[@trashbuilds8351]

seriously I had no clue when I started playing Genshin, I figured some people just like cute characters, just like I prefer more modest ones.....I didn't want Nahida but i needed a strong dendro......then as I was looking up stuff about her to build her & I kept coming across people OPENLY talking about her being waifu and really depraved stuff and justifying it cuz she's "technically" 500.....LIKE WHAT? body of a toddler, I don't care if she's 6,000yrs.....who are these people and why are there so many of them!?!?!!?!? I'm new to gacha games and the gaming world in general and this just freaks me out

[@stormriderikki27]

@@trashbuilds8351 You are stil lucky, one time i was looking for leaks and accidentally end up joining a group which was full of that kind of images of nahida etc I immediately left it.

[@ljunljun6354]

Not only weapon banner, we can buy the constalation for cheaper too in the shop (having c6 5 star is not within dream anymore)

[@ThatGuyWithNoLife]

16:20 BotW grew legs so Genshin could walk 😂

[@Cytryz]

Genshin - better music - level design - story/introduction to story , elemental system(why does wuwa’s even exist?), female characters, resource system, shops are less spread out, system requirements, boss visual design, camera, official app with map & misc features. Wuwa - literal graphics (not to be confused with aesthetics), combat/defense system, traversal abilities, infinite run stamina out of combat, male characters, booba physics, domains at launch(jiyan’s story domain), Dev communications, resource auto picked up. Boss fights themselves. This last one is mainly because of Genshin, but community good will. Both have kind of low enemy design but I like genshin’s because I actually enjoy looking at them and they are a bit more appealing to create visual content and memes surrounding them where as Wuwas are much less so as a whole. It’s the difference between Mario’s enemy’s and Doom’s. There’s a reason you see much more fanart imagery/videos of the former than the later due to the visual appeal in the sense of pleasing to look at vs to appear more menacing. Day 1 genshin player - present day…. Day 1 wuwa player - present day. I play both, I enjoy both. I will likely keep playing both. The biggest issue with Genshin’s is the Dev’s unwillingness to change the game’s systems or add systems in meaningful ways. Wuwa’s biggest weakness is the total lack luster of a story to care about and the horrific resource wall that we have yet to see the solution for. A side note, the character quests were much better than the main quest in wuwa. It is also sad to know the elemental system once upon a time did something and the story was not the MC worship narrative it is now, it was the MC was not trusted, bottom of the barrel, must work and earn their status.

[@AgataGaming]

- Story Is there genuinely any person that says mondstat story is a geat one ? we should comparing wuwa 1.0 story to 1.0 genshin story. It's a shit take if you say wuwa 1.0 story is boring compared to sumeru or fountain quest, they already have the base world building done. - Combat It's subjective, one can like combat in devil may cry and the others can like combat in elden ring. So no comment in here. Personally I like wuwa battle more, it's just give more satisfaction when I beat the boss ( especially the hologram one ). - Gacha System The one that say genshin gacha is better might have some brain damage or something. Remember when one streamer lost almost every single weapon banner pull just to get the targeted weapon ? lol. - Stamina system Echo farming is tedious, seriously ? like artifact farming is fun or something ? Really ?. At lest you have alternative option, don't have time ? farm the tacet field to get the echo. Need character or weapon material ? spend the stamina on it then farm the overworld for the echo. - Design This one is subjective too, but this is wild just because it lack a loli or shota character, I uninstall genshin after the F**king kid that kill a lot of soldier in inazuma war become playable, and never regret it after I know that we can give the F**king kid a new name, then what? sing kumbaya together and let's forget the past. lol peak story telling there huh. - Music Of course this one is subjective too, but then again I don't see or hear any breathtaking or spectacular music in mondstad and inazuma. Gensin music for me start kicking from azdaha, and signora battle. Hoping kuro games will go with PGR music in the future, it will be lit if we can get narwhal as a boss music in wuwa. -Exploration At least I don't need limited character to make my exploration more enjoyable in wuwa. lol, climbing 3 mountain in liyue just to get what ? 20 ? 40 primogems is a waste of time, not enjoyable.

[@Dorinoz]

can we appreciate the various monster designs in wuwa , 200+ for just 1.0 patch ??

[@blackmastery]

yeah happy to have they to fight along my side too 😆

[@eagan912]

not exactly 200+ per se 208/4 so around 52 ish since they all have 4 rarities each

[@Dorinoz]

@@eagan912 yep , my mistake . i forgot about rarities. , sorry for that

[@trashbuilds8351]

I also love the random good guys trying to fight them off with moving health bars and you can jump in to help them or ignore them.....one was almost dead and I swooped in last second and scored an echo lol

[@maravreloaded]

More than palworld. Neat

[@rpamungkas13]

14:04 Wuwa could never moment. (and I hope they would never)

[@Ionic_Glace]

tbh Genshin dont have real Shota, they just like to sexuallize any young male model that isnt tall enough and call it a day lmao. As a Chongyun main (No im not Shotacon, i main him because he share my name and personality), i feel dissapointed to these Shotacon.

[@radicalthunder5740]

​@Ionic_Glace chongyun is criminally underrated nowadays. I'm glad to see someone giving the old 4th member of the Chinese national team the time of day

[@Ionic_Glace]

@@radicalthunder5740 I have been saying that for nearly 4 years now. He's just a miss-oportunity from Mihoyo. But alas, even Mihoyo forgot him exist and have not giving him any significant in the plot at all. But Alas, either they completely rework his kits (not likely) and making his kits synergize with future units (or fix shatters), or he wont find his place among the meta anytime.

[@radicalthunder5740]

@Ionic_Glace doubts he will be in the meta anytime soon, sadly. Even venti is phased out in favour of kazuaha, which is sad, tho to be fair genshin doesn't have a lot of powercreep like hsr or other gachas so maybe we'll see old characters come back tho chongyun was in a lantern rite one year I think it was 3.1

[@KaiserBrasil]

"lack of child characters" 💀

[@jamesmuhuhu7987]

I think what Genshin players feel is farming for echoes using stamina(resin) only as casuals gives them a kinda FOMO that the ones who farm echoes overworld will progress faster than their 10 minute grind which is brainwashing at its highest peak... and number 2 yes WuWa has better designed xters with male xters looking mascular and manly Jiyan an Calcharo are miles ahead of Genshin's with Alhaitham coming close and don't get me started about the female adult gaddemit

[@ijudgeyou9598]

TBH i want more body types like a fat character and he would roll around like a Choji from naruto.

[@LostWallet]

the moment the survey is from r/gachagaming, the whole thing lost all credibility. think about it, you dont go look for unbias opinion on immigration policy in a KKK rally

[@zealvera7081]

As someone who first played Wuwa, and went to genshin cause I was curious why it was being compared, I was so disappointed, it's just not for new players. Deleted the app instantly after a 2 weeks.

[@vectory674]

Gachagaming sounds biased as hell. Since Genshin reached an audience so big some of them never actually played another game or other Gachas For the character Design, Male characters looks great and made me realize that the male characters in Genshin are bland. I can understand now why I didn't care because badass characters are marketable too not only waifus Honestly Genshin Impact will start to bleed players if they don't start to listen to the players who still wants to be locked up by them 🤣

[@asehastly]

"Lack of child characters"?!... good god!

[@hijodelsoldeoriente]

0:01 hell nah. I have no issue with child characters. They're fine. What I don't like are lolis (children mature personality or an adult in a body of a child) like Diona. It's weird, and they seem to attract these pdf-like following. I literally see people hating WuWa cause Genshin has "hot lolis," (their words not mine) and he even mentioned Diona. Like damn. It's straight-up pdfhelia. What's next, that Nahida is centuries old so it's ok to see her that way.

[@redn9215]

My problem with GI lolis is that they deliberately made the models to be very toddler-like in proportions. GI lolis are like 4 heads tall with very small hands and feet. Even tho I liked a lot of lolis in other gachas, I really hate the design of them in GI.

[@toukoenriaze9870]

diona is litterally a child ... shes like 12 and she helps run the bar but doesnt drink

[@sansriver1236]

Hello there! I'm the original creator of the Reddit post that was reviewed in the video and I'd just like to clear up some details that were mentioned. 1. "lacking child character" was a compliment towards WuWa made by one participant that left a comment behind. 2. I'm not sure if this was simply a joke made by one of your chatters but there was never any mentions about shota nor "shorter f**kable males*. I didn't share the results with anyone else and I'm not acquainted with super_pichu26. 3. The part about "stamina system" only refers to the grinding, not the actual stamina bar for running. I can see your point about WuWa's system allowing you to have a choice on whether or not to grind infiintely compared to 10 minutes but both side are still time-gated, since the exp to level up your gear is the limiting factor. It gives you an illusion of being able to grind forever when you're just preparing the correct main stats to upgrade it later. Finally, I will be releasing another post that's similar to the one above but with more participants and more detailed question to hopefully reduce any limitation on reliability. Hopefully I can get this done within a couple weeks so that it won't be outdated for the 1.1 patch release.

[@VxVFiction]

thanks for clarifying! Would love to confirm you are the original creator, shoot me a DM on discord!

[@cocopops1950]

This needs to be pinned

[@younge2273]

No clue where they got ppl liking child characters when you just have to read

[@TopTOBiiiii]

Grinding forever in wuwa is not an illusion in my opinion. It's true that you also need to grind materials to level them up, but this grinding garuntee you the materials you want. While grinding for artifacts is locked by both rng AND stamina and then again grinding to level them up. I see it like this : In wuwa, getting good pieces only needs time and luck (rng), leveling them up needs stamina. In genshin, getting anything needs all time, luck and stamina at the same time, therefore slower progress As for substats, it's rng for both, but it needs mats in wuwa so fair enough, this balances it ig You can say they're equal yes, but neither is better Yet the freedom to get *any amount* of echos *whenever* you want in wuwa is more enjoyable to me

[@Gs20218]

​@@TopTOBiiiii And more like a game we can enjoy and play. And we can basically frontload the main stat, right? Even if the overall to REACH peak investment or at least late game worthy investment on echoes and talents. At least people who farm for multiple characters can get a more immediate value to their efforts and not TIED to stamina ONLY, i think it's basically dumbs down to like: if u don't want to think at all then genshin - 'dump stamina and be done with it' - if u want to enjoy more endgame character building for gacha gaming elevated like genshin - when if u want to have better yield - choose WuWaves

[@nangirb1]

regarding the survey on stamina, did they just conveniently forgot about the book and material domains THAT IS LOCKED BEHIND CERTAIN DAYS? or has genshin removed that stupid timegating? i stopped playing right before sumeru so not sure.

[@ignatius1078]

Wuwa looks better after u play it

[@oifo7]

the first 3 seconds 💀💀💀💀💀💀 AINTNOWAY

[@cinn5611]

Re: echo farming burnout. There's been a fair bit of events where you get echo rewards where you pick your 3-cost set and it rolls the primary element substat. So even for casual players you can get extra chances at the sets you need via events. I felt like this point was overlooked and going forward I think it will be very helpful for both casuals and grinders.

[@Resh3221]

the only reason someone burns out from farming echoes is when they do it 6 hours straight. You can infinitely farm them, theres a reason why they dont let you consume other echoes for leveling other echoes. You can farm them 'Infinitely'

[@GameSteph]

Yuan Wu more unique than 4 years of genshin character design 😂😂😂

[@Koulechov]

If only genshin had good actual character models.

[@YappingPaimon]

? aint no bro. Genshin has 100x better. WUWA design soo trash, we as kids under 16yrs love Genshin design

[@RavenShugo]

When in 1.0 I was posting on genshin forum about big heads, I got dogpiled. Funny to see more and more people pointing out, that splash art is totally different from cartoonish 3d model with big head))

[@josesoldevilla3092]

​@@RavenShugo Albedo has a huge head but the body is small like wtf

[@RavenShugo]

@@josesoldevilla3092 well ALL characters have too big of the head....

[@swordmaster4448]

​@@YappingPaimonare u smoking cracks?? 😅 in the end it's subjective. Everyone have their opinions and taste in art style of games

[@Aswero21]

The 1st second of this vid is diabolical

[@trashbuilds8351]

Wuwa story was actually more exciting for the beginning of a game in THEORY but they went about it like an encyclopedia explaining all these things that you have no emotional connection to at all, even though they actually shared more lore up front. The whole musical aspect of resonance and frequencies and a water sky as being a main foundation for the world is not explained well and it just makes the concept seem silly when it is actually quite cool (like the TD with the tambourine...thing makes me laugh every time....although it's also unnerving as well lol). This frustrates me because the youtube trailers are SO GOOD, if they just added that cutscene drama throughout the story from start, it would be insane With Genshin the plot is so simple, you barely know what happened in the past but you get a great emotional cutscene of losing your twin so the sense of urgency is far greater. Genshin is better at getting you attached to characters within the game from the beginning.

[@Shunnamon]

Wuwa feels very cheap to ME... but I still like it. I'll give it a few more patches till I JUDGE.

[@lucidare]

gachagaming = genshin gaming community basically survey that comes from that subreddit is not valid

[@abelingaw5070]

Heh, even Naraka Bladepoint is more fun than GI.

[@GenuisSocietyNo83Herta]

HSR + wuwa = genshin what 😂

[@WhiteZet1]

I urge everyone to read this sentence regarding "lack of child characters" again. The OP wrote that the only apparent PRAISE towards Wuthering Waves character design was the "apparent lack of child characters". Someone stated this video as source for them thinking that elsewhere & I just had to let everyone know that this sentence is being misconstrued. It's just written in a misleading way.

[@AshUkihime]

I feel like judging wuwas story this early is stupid. I'm also doing everyone the favor by listening to all the soundtracks from Genshin impact and Wuwa to properly judge this. Genshin impact should put more effort in making the game better instead of putting money on these 50 can't armies to talk shit about a new game.

[@mirkmolon]

Wuthering Waves Release is Less bug atleast 50% to 60% meanwhile Genshin has more bugs about 80% and the ping is Red

[@lAinkl]

If you compare this two games, after so many years of Genshin's degradation, the usual rankings won't help here. It's more like Genshin -10 and Wuwa solid 10🎉

[@limkorvey1929]

The big different for the weapon banner is that in genshin u will never ever ever going to pull for weapon as a new player. But wuwa u can get the weapon because its guarantee.

[@joe-yf9wc]

People forget wuwa has better rates than genshin 0.8 vs 0.6

[@SuprcremeHoshi]

Exactly its so much more better, I alr got 6 5stars, just from playing as a f2p. Literally got all teh limited alr, and have 30spins saved. Idk how genshit monetizatezes they're game, but i bet it's so much more worse. I bet they get like 3pulls per patch amiright 😂😂😂

[@deadshade442]

If the auto target has issues then they will fix it and also they will give us free pulls along with it, unlike genshin that can't even figure out how to fix dehya let alone compensating us players💀💀💀 I'm sure they will figure out once they get out of the circle of 3 FREE PULLS every years

[@zydeox1221]

the fact that wuwa still gave a fair fight in a genshin biased audience speaks volumes imo.

[@kascimo]

in genshin you don't fight a boss you only fight their health bar wuwa is the gacha game for gamer if you sit less than 8 hours grinding a game you are not a gamer you can be biased towards genshin when you spend money you don't have in the game then you feel like your account is so valuable and start making excuses I have a friend who told me that genshin's movement is better I mean WTF do you mean with better? he said that wuwa's movement is too fast I am sorry if your brain can't process all these images on the screen but basic slow movement and stamina consumption outside combat is objectively not better.

[@VxVFiction]

LMAOO true

[@MarieTheSFFreader]

I had much easier time getting good echo set than artifact set. Also what I hated was that new characters kept coming with new sets to grind. I stopped playing game when I realised that I need to wait days to drop the proper artifacts till I can finally use my new coveted character properly (right after I was happy to drop Yae Miko)... Wuwa so far seems at most to add new boss echo to grind... And that's just for the ability, the set bonus/stats stay the same. One big plus is also that the dailies take like 10min compared to Genshin with those annoying boss phases where you do no damage and multiple mob waves/dungeon rooms.

[@vicefamgaming]

I like Wuwa, it feels a lot more casual. I love that you can also grind if you want and don't which is fine too. There are so many options to choose from in terms of spending the waveplates too, i mean i guess it's the same for Genshin, but the rotating cycles between mats makes it feel like a non-sense wall that shouldn't even be a thing in the first place I just wish I had more time in my life to play both games, but so far, I like WuWa more, but maybe its coz I've reached endgame in Genshin

[@MauveButterfly]

Regarding needing certain units for exploration in Genshin, I started playing at the beginning of the year. There hasn't been a Yelan banner yet in 2024. The idea that I am supposed to accept that overworld navigation is "fixed" by having this character is insane.

[@addyfalcon3656]

I happen to play both games and as a WuWa, Genshin, Honkai3rd and HSR player I wanna say.... not a single Genshin player represent me, my thoughts or my values and beliefs. And picking the most weard people out of millions who still enjoy Genshin just to put shame on whole group is some primitive tribalism attitude. Seeing that people get baited by such thing and they go 100% biased in one direction tells me that we live in era where content creators can farm people who still live in cave-men mentality. And they will mindlessly replicate what tribal leader brings under their nose. Like a random weard kid from reddit/twitter or wherever you find em, was a tribal leader of opposing tribe. I will admit. AT THIS VERY MOMENT I am enjoying WuWa more. I've been playing Genshin for a year and few months. At this point, game is repetitive and doesn't bring as much joy as it did when I first started. This beeing said I don't see why 1 year from now it would be different with WuWa. To be honest, its to early to bet money on this game. It is one big unknown. WE SEE BUGS, WE SEE EXPLOITS. People can't even tell if something is intended or not. We have no idea if expanding the open world will impact game performance. WILL INTRODUCING NEW AREA PROVIDE ENOUGH CONTENT? ... or as easy as the exploration is, 1-3 days and you are back to looping whatever you were looping before. And you are back to same repetitive content for whole month or maybe 3 months. We don't even know what to expect yet and how often. PEOPLE JUDGE MENTIZATION SYSTEM BASED ON GENEROUSITY OF 1 TIME STANDARD BANNER EARLY GAME BONUSES. I haven't seen so far comparison of monthly event rewards between 2 games. WuWa is not even out for 1 month. Will it be dedicated more towards whales or f2p/casual spenders. How often and how strong will powercreep be a thing in this game? WILL DEVS STILL BE CREATIVE WITH NEW CHARACTERS ... or bring us another cringe snake around ba ba bim ba ba bam mouse spam Jiyan. To be honest gameplay wise limited banner 5 star characters so far are most brain dead and mechanically boring comparing to every other character available in the game. Not shaming the game, starter units might not look as good as Yinlin but they are more fun in combat. Her 2 sec booba zoom ultimate carries enjoyment of character hard. This beeing said, I want new characters to feel awesome in combat. Have something more than the looks and a big damage number. KEEPING THE COMBAT FEEL FRESH WITH NEW CHARACTER PLAYSTYLE IN ONE OF MOST IMPORTANT FACTORS WHEN IT COMES TO LONGEVITY OF THE GAME. In Genshin combat is different. It is focused around elemental reactions, they introduced "bond of life" mechanics lately. Many characters have huge impact on whole team comp. Party synergy is a big thing. You can mix and match many team comps taking multiple factors in concideration. In WuWa, so far, party synergy doesn't feel as impactfull. How will devs adress this in the future? Will it be fun? Creative? Or will it end up like in Honkai 3rd. Run this 3 characters together. Then powercreep, pull this new 3 characters for a new team comp, then powercreep and keep looping the new characters pull cycle. SO FAR I ENJOY ECHO SYSTEM MORE ... than Genshin/HSR relics system. Some people compare those games and complain about it. But it is neither better nor worse. It is just different. In HSR you farm for relics and most of the time you get junk to fodder in relic exp. In this game you invest daily energy/stamina/wave...whatever to straight up get relic exp and you have to be more careful to not overinvest in relic with bad substats. You get more substats, everytime you roll a new substat you know a final result of that substat and rolling a double crit substats seems easier in this game. I FIND THIS GAME GOOD ENOUGH ...to see past the exploits and bugs. Makes me a little bit unsure of quality of the product and what to expect in the future. But first impression of combat makes me see game's potential. Good enough to invest some time playing. But its to early for me to decide if I want to put money in this game. I have no idea how I will feel about the game 1 month/2 months/5 months later. If game will be in same repetitive state and new characters bring nothing unique to my enjoyment, then I am out. And if a certain whale content creator disrecpectfully says to f2p players "Know you place." - Hey he might be right. If this game is a place for whales only. The day I realize playing the game is not the way, then I am out.

[@pansy4538]

genshin character are full of children who living on there own fantasy while wuwa character are people who already experience how hard to live in real world.

[@soulesskoma]

That sub is ridiculously cancerous 🤣

[@saintswar1999]

You don't need Story to be serious for 24/7, to enjoy

[@spartacurt]

I’m a Genshin player and I like WW, all I want is for it to not crash and lag all the time on my device that runs Genshin perfectly.

[@ignatius1078]

Taking r/gachagaming serious is the biggest joke 🤣🤣🤣

[@jackenragmana9615]

wuwa=mature genshin=childish

[@raviolibirb8009]

Wuwa = mature sane adults Genshin = pdfiles

[@OutlawViIe]

I think avoiding the weapon banner and not leaning more into combat survey elements shows what the intent was.

[@woodenmetal2977]

I always thought it was kind of weird that all playable short characters are girls, and no boys, in genshin. There's a diverse gender cast of medium and tall characters, but all short characters are girls: Qiqi, Klee, Yaoyao, Diona, Dori, Sayu, etc.

[@latitude990]

Anyone that says stamina in Genshin is better literally didn't pass 3rd grade math. In WuWa it costs 60 waveplates for echo/boss drops, but you get way more materials than in Genshin. In week 2, you could already get up to 4 gold echos from a tacit field. How long did it take to get to AR 45 in Genshin to get a single 5-star artifact? Like a month? The world bosses are the same way, in WuWa we can already get 2-3 boss materials and we're 2 tiers below the "equivalent" in Genshin. These examples even pale in comparison to weekly bosses. In WuWa you get 2-3 weekly boss materials that 100% fit the character you're farming for. There's not 3 different materials you have to convert (if the conversion material ever drops). There's also guaranteed crafting cubes that drop (in terms of weapon type, it's still a % drop chance ofc). I remember 6 months after Genshin came out, people were still saying they couldn't get a Bow Prototype to drop from the weekly bosses. I think it would be pretty interesting to do a "Genshin/WuWa bias" case study. Ask some basic questions like they did in this survey, do a side-by-side comparison to figure out the right answer (example: how much stamina does it cost to level up a character, etc), and then see how many people were flat wrong. Stir up the drama even more in the gachagaming reddit... For the rest of the survey, most of it is due to WuWa being in version 1.0. You can't say that Genshin didn't improve DRASTICALLY after release because it's obvious all the money they put back into it. A ton of the things people praise Genshin for like story/music/voice acting/etc were just as bad right out of the gates. You gotta compare apples to apples

[@sarcastoon677]

whoever thinks that just cuz wuwa doesn't have elemental reaction system like genshin so the combat will become boring is downright dumb take.. yes theres no elemental reaction system cuz its freaking genshins IP.. nobody can use that in their game without their permission... but wuwa has their own IP which is also equally interesting and can be fun exploring and thats ie "Intro, Outro skill" and "forte" this thing is sooo much fun that there are sooo many possibilities.. some outro buffs next characters attack, some heals them, some buffs only burst attacks and some only buffs normal or charge attacks.. each character has different combos, they all have their own unique playstyles.. some gain benefits from normal/charge buffs.. some get benefits from burst buff.. and all those buffs are quite significant so u actually have to focus on rotation to get maximum damage.. even without intro outro charged skills.. when u swap between characters u can perform unique combos.. even if character is in mid air.. for eg.. if u hold charge attack on jiyan.. right when he launch enimes in the air u can switch to mortefi who rapidly shoot them when they are in air.. and every swap is instantaneous.. u can practically keep enimes mid air till they die just with swaping and performing combos.. this is just a surface stuff.. then theres echos which u can swap cancel and perform more combos.. genshin elemental rotation system is relay on numbers calculation.. meanwhile wuwas rotation relays on not just numbers but player skills as well and im sure there well be more new echos and new type of outro/intro buff/skills which will come with new character and unlock whole new rotation and playstyle.. after dendro update all that system is dying in genshin now.. with neuvelette and arlecchino it barely matters.. u can just run mono team and match same damage as those elemental rotation.. also genshin normal attack animations are literally useless.. i've been saying this for a long time.. u practically gain nothing from those beautifully designed normal attack animations since all u do is use skill or burst and swap to next character to do the same again.. only few characters plays normal attacks.. meanwhile in wuwa u actually need normal attack to build ur forte or burst.. u dont get energy particles only using skill.. u get energy from all sources so attack patterns dont become monotonous when u perform them..

[@roborobrobable]

WuWa forever, Genshin could never

[@scoopdps]

@VxV Fiction their is nothing wrong with the Parry system it’s the dodge. The dodge has ICD you can only do 2 in succession and 1 in air that will only reset with perfect counter the system encourages you to parry and not dodge too much

[@scoopdps]

Also shot out to Ivvan he has been listening to me rant about how Star Rail & WuWa are successful because they are moving away from child characters

[@jacklegends1515]

This video is extremely underrated for real

[@jianwen414]

Wuwu is almost like 80% better than genshin but that 20% is echo level/upgrade system, and why would genshin player play 5min and just to upgrade 3-4 substat with RNG? U don’t need resin to grind echo so you need 60waveplate per run just for 15gold tunner if you’re like over 40Ul, what’s the point of using it?having shit ton of element damages bonus +3 echos if u can’t upgrade them? Literally already burn out like few days ago

[@8thRequiem]

Genshin's Artifact < WuWa Echoes. I'd rather be able to build my new character and enjoy playing them as soon as possible, and WuWa lets me do that. I've been farming Arle's artifact since her release and I don't even have a "meh" crown piece, imagine trying to get a good one. This is why I'm no longer interested in new characters because building them takes time, and with Genshin the artifact domain gives 1-2 5 star, so if you max your resin consumption that's just 8-10 artifacts a day. They're complaining about the echo grind, there are Tacet Fields in WuWa that are similar to domains, the cost per run though is higher for 2 gold echoes (lvl 70, not sure if the drops improve on higher), but atleast there's the casual option and if you want to farm there's an option for that as well. Also Echoes with that stat unlock is better, you are guaranteed to max unlock compared to Genshin that if you have 3 stat vs 4 stat you lose out on the extra stat level up.

[@tris1591]

u can get to 5 3 cost golden echo in Ul40

[@MegaCritas]

wuwa echo system is good, you only need to worry what substats and main stat to get and not worrying about rolling it into a trash substats when you level it up, only problem is only the echo exp tubes hope kuro fix this issue.

[@herbertcoxe3601]

I’d want Wuthering Waves combat with Genshin Impact character designs

[@lauceyjeanpierre8668]

5:40 for the parry system you need to face the enemy(learned the hard way)

[@HazardTone]

Actually not really you just need to make sure that your attack can reach the double circle appearing in the parry timing. It's basically true when you're using spectro rover resonance skill even if you're facing the enemy and the indicator appears in enemy animation if your reach isn't enough it won't trigger the parry. But even if you are not facing the enemy which is usually true for tempest mephis cuz of how much he moves when you're resonance skill reached the double ring indicator even if tour facing the other way around it still trigger the parry.

[@lauceyjeanpierre8668]

@@HazardTone wait really? thanks for the info

[@theburning_yandere710]

regarding Echo system, as far as main stats and 5 piece effects are concerned, I'm pretty much DONE with ALL of my characters and STILL have extras and ON SET too😂 I just need to lvl them up and pray for substats✌️.. I can't do that on genshin cuz artifacts at the end of the day are locked behind resin..

[@dittoford]

Tl;dr : Tuning/echo exp system need changes My biggest gripe with echo system is that i can spend 1 - 2 hour on it and get absolutely nothing besides wasted time and less echo exp if you're unlucky. At least in genshin you can use the unused artifact for feeder of other artifact, but in wuwa if you're unlucky you're just in arguably worse place than if you didn't grind instead. But this is hopefully adjusted in 1.1

[@joewelch4933]

This isnt really true though..... Sure base echos dont grant xp but you get similar amounts of experience at similar world level compared to genshin when running Tacit Fields. You can just get the base echo elsewhere unlike in genshin.

[@syryllfox5872]

Almost 2 year in GI and i had no sayu no wanderer

[@shukur1063]

how much money r/gachagaming get for defending genshin impact?

[@VxVFiction]

great question!

[@josesoldevilla3092]

Nothing they are just salty because wuwa have more rewards than genshin and top of that coping soo hard how genshin bamboozled these wackoo's 4x in a row f up anniversary and still dick riding 😂😂😂

[@peaceka]

the only gripe I have on the echo system is the exp. we need more sources for it

[@pravum3150]

Im sorry but JANKY COMBAT? In a game where i can backflip on a boss and plunge attack to parry while i seamlessly switch to another character to do their ultimate? The population for this survey is high on some mint fr.

[@DeltaRaven97]

The big thing Genshin has over WuWa is the fact that it's been around and been updated for 4 years now. Many of the better Genshin aspects came later on and years later. If we compare the 1.0 story of both games, WuWa is better than Mondstadt to the first part of Liyue (Which was Genshin 1.0). You can actually directly compare Mondstadt and WuWa 1.0 since the beginning has very similar story beats. The treasure sensor, grapple, and other tools also came to Genshin many patches later. WuWa has a higher starting point than Genshin did, now we need to see how the future content delivers. If we get more varied Endgame (lets be real, im not impressed by Spiral Abyss 2.0...), Flashy and Fun characters, plus new mechanics and events as rhe patches cone in, i think the public perception will change quite a bit. Give us exploration type echoes, let us fly around freely for a time, give us floating ruin areas high in the sky we can use echoes to travel. Give us races with Inferno Rider and other echoes as a mount. They're already playing with the idea of this, i wanna see them take it to the next level.

[@Soparandom]

The echo system shows that they feel worse because of the option to mid max whereas if you have no option, you won't feel that bad after you use the resin. I forgot the name of this feeling. Giving option and choosing the sub optimal one makes you feel worse. Wuthering waves still better though cause you can equip the character in a day

[@toukoenriaze9870]

in genshin you feel bad from start to finish doing artifacts in wuwa you start feeling good until you hit the time gate wall that is just bad game design ... then you start feeling about as bad as genshin

[@kennethnguyen88]

Welp, I haven't logged into Genshin since WuWa dropped and didn't feel the urge to. So yeah, it speaks volume

[@roslanhaikal7242]

i farming echo like 3 days to get what i want. while genshin takes 3 months to get what i want

[@wes0112]

yes it takes 5-10mins to exhaust the reisin/stamina but it takes a month or 2 to get a 3/4 roll you want, 2-3months to get "1" 4/4 stats you want. proof? i compete in the raiden ranking in akasha and i reach top 1%. it took me 2-3years to get to top 1%

[@nottyseel949]

You need to pull a character to break a rock in Genshin...

[@deadshade442]

Diluc

[@raoni00111]

Are you serious?

[@nottyseel949]

@@raoni00111 If you do not want it to take forever, then yes you need to pull a rock breaker (great sword user, zhongli, etc.)

[@reieguiang8]

"Genshin walked so WuWa could soar" - Participant 36 This is probably the simplest sentence to describe my sentiments about this gacha war. For me, hating Genshin is like hating Newton because Einstein came along. It doesn't seem fair to trash Genshin just because someone made a better version of their game.

[@cornell5602]

People confuse novelty for quality. Genshin upon release had both novelty and somewhat quality. the quality improved since then. The market since then has been saturated with dog shit, making people put genshin on pedestal . Wuwa is a good contender, good quality but the novelty in the market is not there anymore, but it's a threat and its making people loose thier minds, thier worldview is shaking, so they rant. COMPETITION is good, that is how the industry moves forward. Also I love the free stuff. Who doesn't love free stuff.

[@ahrisse6528]

The cope is insane with that community lol.

[@woodenmetal2977]

The character design of WW is so much better than GI. Many WW characters look like the adult versions of their GI counterparts, making it seem like GI is a kids game compared to WW being catered for a more mature audience. I also thought it was interesting that WW made tall versions of GI characters. Traveler -> Rover Barbara -> Baizhi Amber -> Chixia Sucrose -> Yangyang Noelle -> Taoqi Xiao -> Jiyan I will credit GI with some of their character designs, though. Jean, Kaeya, Lisa, Eula, and Diluc all look very good.

[@leeyaotan405]

Wuwa echo upgrade it kinda suck cuz it only able to use the echo exp tube to lvl up it even the drops are less but I hear at 1.1 version they will increase the echo exp drop so I hope wuwa still going to get better

[@Mincat812]

4 star Gacha smack here with new info and news

[@CufflinksAndChuckles]

WuWa isn’t perfect. But it’s still 1.0. I don’t even think all the problems will be fixed by 1.1. But they’ll get fixed eventually. Genshin’s problems aren’t accidents, Hoyo CHOOSES not to fix them. All the people who think fighting bosses isn’t fun when fighting multiple times are crazy. They’ve never played Elden Ring or Souls before. This game ain’t for you.

[@lowspender147]

Alright, I'm gonna login to genshin, I think there will be some survey mail in my inbox, I'm gonna tell them I play wuwa all the time