What happened at the CAMHS psychiatrist appointment?

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After running out of time in yesterdays vlog, I finally got the opportunity to talk through what happened at Andy's CAMHS psychiatrist appointment yesterday, including suggestions to stop letting him eat so many crisps and reduce access to his iPad. It's fair to say I wasn't impressed! It also included his medication review.
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#autism #camhs #pyschiatrist

[@JereMechaJohnson]

Kev, Andy is lucky to have you. Also, 10 mg of an ssri is what I was on from ages 19-30, and that was considered a low dose for an adult. Improved my life immensely. 10 mg may be perfect for Andy. IDK about antihistamines for sleep (not a professional), but I'd try the raised ssri alone first so that you can see how it affects him with no other factors involved. Keep up the good work.

[@Katyestella63]

It is so awful that the CAMHS psychiatrist has not bothered to read Andy's previous notes and that there has been no communication with the previous psychiatrists. Unless the psychiatrist refused to read the previous notes from other psychiatrists. It is strange in this age of computers that it sounds like the psychiatrists don't keep a record of their notes on their computers.

[@emma12345890]

That psychiatrist sounds clueless

[@pontinrob]

Don't think you can say that you don't know what's been put in Andy's records that he can see. What he suggested are all good ideas for a number of people would probably help. Calling someone clueless isn't really fair.

[@imaginaryenemy2565]

Their most likely very inexperienced with Autism so many people claim they can "fix" autistic children or discipline the autism out of kids when they don't understand that at it's very core its a neurodevempemtal disorder children on the spectrum are all unique but some symptoms are universal and typical methods of discipline and parenting tend to either fail entirely, worsen behavior or cause regression

[@imaginaryenemy2565]

Props to you Kev and Anna for properly advocating not only for Andy but for autism in general I think many parents are exhausted and just want the best for their kids and hastily agree to whatever plan any doc throws at them in hopes it will work that doc definitely learned some new things especially the playing outside suggestion if Andy just got home from school his "social meter"/"social battery" aka his tolerance for interaction is very low to nonexistent how could a professional not understand that especially for a kid who stopped going to school because it's so anxiety producing

[@bencooper4058]

I got so frustrated for you listening to your story, he sounds so ignorant! If only everyone had someone to advocate for them as strongly as you do. Good job dad 👍🏻

[@levisharman4055]

The camhs dude obviously means well but he does seem very out of touch to what Andy is like. It's not like theirs a file and that's it, this channel shows Andy's progress immensely and it just sounds like he hasn't done his research well enough.

[@BCS1105]

DropShotz Football CAHMS is awful. I’ve had to work with them in the past as I am autistic and they basically wanted Me to do stuff that they wanted not what was best for Me.

[@mlpp3621]

We had 6 appointments when my son was in yr 4 n my god they were useless didnt help at all ended up going back to my doctors who re refered back to the hospital n it was the hospital who got him on melatonin xxxx

[@themilkguzzler2467]

I can understand where the psychiatrist is coming from with his suggestions but it seems pretty obvious that he's not fully aware of Andy's situation and he's trying to push for too much, too soon.

[@patriciahowellcassity767]

Wow I didn’t see until now “ through Andy‘s eyes” comments are disabled. Sorry. I’ll still watch.

[@curlwhurl8054]

That psychiatrist sounds clueless and honestly super pretentious believing that his 'new ideas' as his psychiatrist without much background information could be better than what you two, his parents have seen in him over the years. It sounds like he is treating Andy as a stubborn child who needs to 'learn' rather than an autistic child who is learning how to live life and live in a world which is very difficult to live in. I saw one when I was 17 at the worst time in my life who insisted I was 'fine' and 'just overthinking' even though I was being torn apart by a huge mental health issue. He even came into the waiting room and spoke to my Dad about it in front of waiting patients. So don't worry you are not an isolated case with ignorant psychiatrists. They aren't professionals at life, just people in a job who have studied for it. Well done for having Andy's back! He is making wonderful progress!

[@pinguwingu9]

you do need to think long term though

[@pacemarshall9358]

The psychiatrist sounds generally like he wants to help Andy. However, his idea of helping Andy is different than your idea of helping Andy. In and of itself this isn't bad. Actually, many doctors and psychiatrists have a different idea of helping than parents/caretakers do. Often because of what you mentioned: the doctor's idea of helping Andy is building resiliency and integrating him more with his community and society, and your and Anna's idea of helping Andy is making sure that he is happy and feels safe. Many times psychiatrists and social workers not only push their client a bit to get out of their comfort zone, but also push the parents/caretakers to move out of their comfort zone as well to create growth. Growth isn't always easy or comfortable (and I needn't tell you that--you already know!). Sometimes it takes the form of asking you to try something again (like this psychiatrist is doing), and other times it takes the form of ignoring your expertise as a parent and ignoring or not reading past doctors notes (another thing this psychiatrist is going). It's unfortunate that this psychiatrist isn't interested in working WITH you and Anna, hand in hand. It's also really upsetting that Andy doesn't get to keep a psychiatrist for more than two visits. I can't imagine how frustrating that is to not be able to work hand-in-hand and consistently with one psychiatrist.Hopefully in six months if you're given a new psychiatrist they are willing to listen to you and have a discussion.

[@charlotte_young4390]

Also Andy is a teenage boy noy many teenage boys want to go run around the park nowhere days they want to watch youtube and be in they're room just how it is nowadays 🤦‍♀️

[@joshuathompson7333]

charlotte_ young exactly, I’m a teen and I don’t mind going out to town but going to the park isn’t fun anymore

[@jaimereynolds258]

Ugh I hate when professionals have their ideas on what you should do with your child. It makes me want to pull out my hair when I get told things to try. My son isn't as picky as Andy is with food, but he still only has a handful of things he'll eat. I have tried EVERYTHING to get him to eat other things, and he will just not eat. Same on the other aspects of life too and improving on things. Professional people don't understand and they don't listen. It makes you want to scream and then you just come off as an aggressive asshole parent. At least that is how it makes me feel. Sending love and support!

[@christineverreault9325]

CBD is good for dogs it helps to calm them down.

[@Uncandan]

I had the same experience! I have to leave or I lose it!

[@thebestwillow]

On a more basic level, how many fifteen year olds go to a park with their parents?????

[@oliviaelliott1333]

I get their worries and points but I think if he’s eating and putting on weight steadily, I think that’s the main thing! Glad you stood your ground.

[@juliebotzenhart8064]

If they want you to take away his crisps they need to be in your home to do intensive eating therapy first to get him to try new foods and theat takes a lot of time and effort and is very stressful for Andy. Taking away his gaming and iPad will be a huge deal for him also. They would have to have respite to help with that to get him busy and out of the house and doing things instead. You cannot do it alone! We all know how much he would protest!

[@katiel4152]

Your actually such an amazing Dad!! Good job for standing up to professionals, it takes a lot of courage. Just remember that your the parent, you know him the best!!

[@PaigeRobins-ky4qc]

💯

[@nataliewade1374]

I HATR CHAMS

[@thebestwillow]

Andy doesn't need to be fixed. He is not broken.

[@erissablackthorn9444]

I have autism and i also have sleep problems. I went to see a doctor to see what help i could get, and the doctor just treated me like i was just some lazy gamer girl who stays up late every day.

[@fern1416]

Kev am dying 😂. "These biscuits have 15g of protein in then we can wash our teeth with coal afterwords" 🙈

[@kim_steele58137]

Bravo kev standing up to the Psychiatrist. you and anna are his parents you know what works best for andy..

[@jackalker6384]

Just to be devils advocate. Sometimes stepping backwards is the only way to move forwards.

[@wwe4james]

Ah, CAMHS. Them big bundle of joys

[@jazzieplayz275]

I normally go there for my ADHD,ODD, anxiety and deppression

[@charlotteclough3426]

To get Andy trying new flavours, why don't you try giving him different flavoured Dr pepper like cherry or black current, this may get him used to different flavours and if he likes it then may encourage him to try food that has that flavour. Not sure if you can get different flavour Dr pepper in cans or bottles but you definitely can in fast food places like burger king. Not sure if it will work but just an idea 😊

[@kevinchapmanvlog]

He already likes all the different flavoured cokes and doctor peppers. As long as it's a fizzy black liquid, he'll usually drink it.

[@jackchristian1155]

To be fair to the doctor/camhs know what they’re doing and Andy can’t just live off crisps his whole life other wise he will develop heart disease or increased risk of a heart attack later in life.

[@kevinchapmanvlog]

His diet isn't their job. We see a dietitian for his diet.

[@IloveTashaGhouri]

Don't tell them what to do they have a dietitian for that

[@jackchristian1155]

Ben Willetts if you read what I said I never told them to do anything, I just said that the camhs doctor also knows what they’re doing. So read what I said next time before you say stuff

[@IloveTashaGhouri]

@@jackchristian1155 No Kevin and Anna know what they are doing with Andy not this new camhs Doctor they know Andy won't eat a full meal they know his diet buddy

[@jackchristian1155]

Ben Willetts not going to lie but the camhs doctor is right because Andy can’t just eat crisps his whole life. I understand that it is hard on the whole family but they can’t just ignore the camhs profession as he is a qualified doctor after all.

[@truthergirl7522]

All you should say is, “great! Show us how it’s done!” Haha

[@musicmanluke3586]

even thought i dont no u lot personally i think it so dumb that chams bloke saying all this i had experience with cams when i was a young teen and they did the same to me but the pc makes relax and forget the world

[@ligavasara-brakmane4051]

Frustrating visit. I would definitely introduce both medications with some interval, to separate effects of both. Antihistamines do not make me sleep better - they make me dizzy, confused, I have memory loss about things I have done while on them. I felt heavily intoxicated. Have met many people who feel the same. So it is good to first judge the effect of increased dose and just then try antihistamines.

[@Max-zr5ov]

KEV DO NOT GIVE DAVE VEGAN ANYTHING!!! ITS EXTREMELY BAD FOR DOGS VERY!!!! ITS NOT YOUR FAULT AT ALL BUT YOU CANNOT GIVE VEGAN THINGS TO DAVE BC HE COULD DIE!!!!!

[@imaginaryenemy2565]

No it's actually fine for dogs as long as it doesn't contain ingredients that are toxic for dogs they can eat it they are omnivores after all cats on the other hand can get very ill or die

[@gabeangel8104]

It’s nuts that there is no continuation of care. How can they expect to give Andy the support he really needs to be ‘doing well’ by anything near their definition of it if there is never someone working with him for long enough to fully understand his case! I have the same issue with social workers - I never have one for more than just a yearly review and then it’s changed by the next time. It leaves me without the support I actually need. I also feel like this guy doesn’t really understand how much effort it’s taking from both Andy and you guys to have things where they are right now. It doesn’t sound like the guy understands autism properly. Also he needs to take into account that with things like changes in respite and going to Disney, Andy is already facing a lot of stretching so it’s not like everything is just stagnating...and sometimes consolidating progress, like the fact he has been trying bites of foods and putting on weight and going to school (all despite some hiccups that could have really thrown those things off again), is important before making another push forward otherwise it can lead to burnout and losing progress again. All in all I think you and the professionals who actually know Andy have a better idea of what is right at the moment than this guy. I’m glad Andy has you guys to advocate for him in situations like this.

[@nataliewade1374]

Can I just say I was with chams and they did absolutely nothing and they changed my person like every time I went so I could even become comfortable with the therapist does my head in then I turned 18 and then just left me to fend for my self

[@janeyk72]

Don't get me started on CAMHS. Grrrrr.

[@somedude172]

also, i use cbd by putting it under my tongue or vaping it (rarely) for my arthritis and it knocks me out. i sleep real good about 3 hours after taking it lol. and it makes me hungry sometimes

[@chloeb8418]

I couldn’t agree more. Andy has made loads off progress in the past year apsloutley shocking about how “ he thinks Andy needs this n that “ he’s such a lovely lad. Love the kid ♥️♥️♥️❤️❤️❤️

[@fionascheibel977]

Interestingly Fluoxetine increased my anxiety. I got put on propranolol that a bit like Andy taking advantage of the sedative side effect of an antihistamine propranolol has a calming side effect for me as well as its blood pressure lowering main purpose it is usually prescribed for. I also take melatonin to help get me to sleep and have that same issue of not being able to stay asleep. I get really distressed when i know i need to be asleep but arent and then that distress makes the issue worse.

[@Pokemonjayy]

I think kev and Anna should try the mud masks together 😀

[@georgeelvers1120]

That box should be called the Mary Poppins bag of treats

[@joshuathompson7333]

George Elvers *Mary Poppins BOX of treats

[@eleanorlavender7884]

I think that the hemp water will help Andy

[@SkyeBigo]

I had this issue with some professionals before. I know my son, I know what he will do and won't. You know Andy better than anyone else. The meeting sounded like a joke x

[@turmel3689]

I’m on 20g fluoxetine tablets and I’m 80kgs (6.2ft) and it does wonders. 10g sounds like a decent amount for Andy. Would be interesting to see his reaction to it, I don’t feel sleepier but sleeping more is better than staying up stressing so we will see.

[@wookiewin5357]

How you doing Kev, I’m on the spectrum and this channel makes me feel confident about myself. Thank you for everything you’ve done. ❤️❤️

[@vikky1376]

This psychiatrist need to go back to school and learn how to treat a Autism person..

[@charlottevicarage1331]

Tbf, having so much salt is bad for you and does make you excessively thirsty, and spending a lot of time looking at a screen is not healthy and gives a lack of vitamin D. Personally, I would do what you tried to get him to do when he tried to reach the bells to get him to try a little bit of new food each time as well as crisps. It is true that fresh air makes you tired and at least, however, I can see what you're saying. I can see what he's saying as he probably sees a lot of parents who just give their kids what they want just to keep them happy for an easy life, even if it wasn't the best thing for them, such as letting them spend hours on the PS4 all night, thus letting the child govern their life. I think there is a balance of focusing on both his long term health and happiness here.

[@AnimalAnimeLover]

Kev and family has anyone tried the vegan sasauge roll from Greggs if so whats your thought on it.

[@BCS1105]

They have talked about it in a previous video.

[@thebestwillow]

Is this new psychiatrist the kind of "I just qualified, I know everything" psychiatrist?? This kind of stuff reminds me of some of the trainee psychiatrists I have met. Luckily unlike Andy, I have the verbal skills to make their jaws drop and their minds change. Shock tactics. Sounds bad, but it seems to work.

[@willywonka7599]

Does Andy like sauce? Because Asda sell sauces with hidden vegetables something like that might help Andy? He's made a lot of progress

[@carolinebeckwith948]

Obviously he doesn't have a clue typical, good you are able to say how it is though, i had a meeting at school today to say it didn't go well is an understatement, of course its all me and i need to do more parenting courses!!!!!😡

[@EmilyWalters]

Those antihistamines you mentioned worked really well for my sleep problems. I was prescribed them for panic attacks as well. I hope Andy's new doses help.

[@failed17thchromosome]

'you shouldn't focus on his happiness' w h a t how are they in cahms? isn't it meant to make the youth that go there happy? what in the actual hell-

[@mlpp3621]

Camhs absoutly useless n you need new dr xxxx

[@BCS1105]

Exactly.

[@fionascheibel977]

Yep. Ive had issues with mental health specialists in my own life. Im labelled Non Compliant for refusing to do things i know dont help me or being critisised for chosing to do things that help me and are not harmful but not what so called experts advise. Im also forever being relabelled by each new so called expert and them dismissing all the last expert said.

[@princessmunchkin1983]

I feel for you, I don't have autism, but I am a bit like Andy, where I don't like to go out and I only like to do the things and go home due to server depression and anxiety. I have had the same thing said to me by psychiatrists and psychologists as well throughout the years.

[@Lily-fl4ew]

Omg my brother went to camhs and gasped a horrible experience

[@somedude172]

im vegan and i loooove those primal jerky things. i can only get them from a vegan restaurant thats downtown, and like 45 minutes from my house, so i dont get it often but ohh boy its my favorite

[@damianhills1533]

If them ice coffee drinks are Jimmy's then they are awesome. I get them from Tesco nearly daily and taste great

[@cheyennewilliams7731]

I do agree that the psychiatrist plan is not the right approach to changing Andy's diet but if it is an issue could you give give him maybe a few fish sticks with the chips(crisps)? So he still gets his crisps but it encorporates a little bit more protein in his diet as well?

[@willywonka7599]

Can't Andy see another pscatrist? Social services might help

[@jenifer200809]

Heck he even goes to after school club once a week that is a big accomplishment in itself

[@lesleylaurence6056]

Can u say hi to Andy for me? 😁 Thx ❤️👍🏻

[@aaronquigley1943]

How about trying to get him to eat a crisp sandwich

[@jazzieplayz275]

My CAMH person isn't like that she does whatever to make me happy and gives me advice

[@samdavies9760]

Kev charcoal toothpaste doesn’t help it can even be bad for your teeth. It could get rid of surface stains but I wouldn’t risk it

[@viralvideoaddict]

Andy has made leaps and bounds, I'm glad you stuck to your guns!

[@patriciahowellcassity767]

I would suggest to write up your visit to dr, and in 6 months with new dr , give your writing to him and have it permanently put on his medical records. For future reference. It might help in the long run.

[@pugwash84]

you can get a slow release melatonin but it's in tablet form x

[@hannabell5498]

Fix’s Andy ?? You can’t fix autism it’s something that needs to worked on

[@OneElusiveRainbow]

You should be happy he cooked mine does not at all

[@shadowfayfurry1323]

There expensive dog treats btw

[@debbiesarmy6356]

Is he fine if you take his crisps away

[@amy617747803]

I need that water no joke that would be nice

[@Siobhanjohnson523]

look up the keto diet! also i do intermittent fasting first week is hard then its easy peasey and weve all been ruined by a mc donalds once or twice haha x

[@Siobhanjohnson523]

all the bacon all the time XD

[@Siobhanjohnson523]

sometimes allot of vegan food are FULLL of carbs and if you can burn them off they turn into fat, on a high fat , moderate protein and low carb diet an excess fat just goes straight on out if you know what i mean , it doesnt turn into more fat. it really does work , its worth thinking about x on keto pork crackling its mega healthy XD XD

[@erinn747]

Cbd helps with acne

[@panflip]

From 7:29 and onwards they seem a bit high

[@samvanity4103]

They won't be CBD oil doesn't get you high at all, it's the THC that does that for you. CBD is what provides the medicinal side of cannabis

[@tolvusaudios5867]

kev, if you're trying to eat healthy, then i don't suggest red meat at all. avoid steaks. if you want to continue eating meat, then stick with chicken, turkey and fish

[@joshuathompson7333]

fumblesnore doesn’t red meat have a lot of saturated fat?

[@tolvusaudios5867]

@@joshuathompson7333 it does, yeah.

[@lesleylaurence6056]

My son is seeing a psychiatrist on Monday via Solar

[@gourmet2276]

I love hemp water.

[@jackcurd9147]

I was recently diagnosed with asd.

[@caralock5412]

Primal soya jerky is amazing! i love the stuff but its so expensive

[@nialldennis309]

7:43 kevs bottle shot

[@aislinncanning3819]

1st

[@jameswebb5744]

3

[@lukesdad7415]

If there is any f1 fans here, that camhs seem like the Bernie Ecclestone of the health world

[@AutismandTouretteSyndrome]

Omg that is so frustrating!! Andy has made huge progress and happiness is the most important thing!! Omg. My hubby and myself would've said the same things to that idiotic Dr.

[@40771hothottie]

Ask if the tablets can be dissolved then you can mix them with some pop. Many people dissolve meds to go into feeding tubes