What Happened to Budgie?

[@InfinitelyGalactic]

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[@ShaunakHub]

Tried Budgie on Solus two/ three years ago. Was pretty impressed, It was probably the best implementation of dark theme on Linux desktop.

[@tomoghnosen]

That's not even their own theme, its called Materia GTK Theme.

[@staudinga]

@@tomoghnosen Could be Plata or Adapta, depending on what time period we're actually talking about.

[@ShaunakHub]

@@tomoghnosen May be, the point is implementation of it. End of the day it was one of the better implementation of dark theme - where all apps were properly in dark mode and not some half-baked implementation. Credit should be given where it is due.

[@elyzsabethahne2116]

I LOVE the Budgie Desktop Environment. Currently, I use Ubuntu Budgie 22.04 on my main desktop computer, and it works great and looks beautiful!

[@guilherme5094]

👍

[@Triro]

Same!

[@TrustJesusToday]

Budgie looks good but I find it to be a bit buggy. It's unclear if this is an Ubuntu issue, DE problem or Linux newbie error. I'm working to make budgie work on my HP notebook.

[@Yep6803]

Right? It got the pros of Gnome, easy to use of Unity and the comfort of Mate!!!! To me, especially since I use it with combo MacOS, is far better than enything... Gnome amazing but I don't want always go on virtual desktop, yeah I miss them but getting used is so usefull how they put in the de. Yeah, is a bit tricking initially, required two days for understanding how to use it, but now is just perfect. I don't miss anything else.

[@ananthuskumar1286]

Ubuntu Budgie was my first linux distro, i still loves it

[@enkiimuto1041]

I am still having hopes for Solus and Budgie now that they are divided. Solus to this day is one of the lightest distros i ever used on an old pc.

[@christopherhellmann7754]

I'm still daily driving it. It's the best Linux distro I've tried. It's rock solid and stable, never had any issues with it apart from the installation when dual-booting (but that's a systemd issue).

[@JTCPingas]

@@4tado Tell that to the concern trolls who keep insisting it's dying a slow death.

[@NibsNiven]

Cinnamon is used in distros other than Mint. It's my daily DE on Fedora Workstation. I use Cinnamon+Fedora when I teach my "Intro to Linux" courses. Both Mac and Windows users take to it like a fish to water.

[@cameronbosch1213]

Cinnamon isn't very future looking though. No ETA on Wayland is a pretty big miss in 2022 and even more so in 2023. I mean, even XFCE & MATE have started work on Wayland support!

[@giganticyufka]

everybody wants new features but nobody focuses stability, polishing, future paths like wayland. Everyone would be happy if all those improvements were on systems that people use a lot like xfce or mate

[@Azmodaeus49]

There distros that do both where the focus on stability, bugs and features. All three of does can be done with care. The community shouldn't just just focus on one thing or the other which I'm seeing from your comment. The community or Linux companies should focus on all three

[@Dev-dq9ce]

I read somewhere sometime ago that mate supports Wayland or at least Ubuntu MATE.

[@CouldBeMathijs]

@@Dev-dq9ce They've started work on it. But it's far from ready last I heard.

[@FagnerLuan]

@@Dev-dq9ce LXQt has initial support to Wayland

[@ForgotMyPasswd000]

@@FagnerLuan Doesn't LXQt use openbox as it's window manager, which doesn't have a Wayland port?

[@Blueeeeeee]

Tbh Budgie has always felt like a less mature version of Cinnamon to me, and the Raven sidebar is practically empty - but it could be really nice if it was a bit more complete and polished. I wish the two would collaborate, but I understand why Cinnamon's slow development cycle would be off-putting for third parties wanting to collaborate.

[@knofi7052]

Exactly, I do not really understand why Budgie and Mate are still around because I think Cinnamon is very similar in it's look and feel but much more complete and consistent.

[@serebit]

Good news on the Raven front: I'm working on a plugin system for it that should be included in 10.7 ;) Custom widgets inbound!

[@JoshuaStrobl]

@@serebit Yep! Looking forward to that and will serve as an excellent reference point going into Budgie 11 :)

[@deusexaethera]

@@knofi7052 : MATE is still around because some people liked GNOME 2 so much they absolutely refuse to ever use anything else. Cinnamon is still around because it's attached to Linux Mint. I've tried Cinnamon many times over the years and I've always found it to be lacking in features and customization compared to KDE. It was better than KDE 4 Oxygen, but KDE 5 Plasma blows all other desktop environments out of the water.

[@knofi7052]

@@deusexaethera You are right but KDE is a totally different animal because it's based on QT.

[@maskednewtype5068]

5:45 Ubuntu budgie is not what the budgie desktop currently looks like by default, it's a customized version of budgie. To illustrate what Budgie currently looks like it would have been better if you had downloaded Solus to show an uncustomized version of the desktop

[@stephenwilson0386]

Except I'm pretty sure even Solus Budgie isn't the default layout of Budgie. Could be wrong though.

[@serebit]

​@@stephenwilson0386 As of the latest version of Budgie, the Solus layout is basically equivalent to the default layout.

[@certs743]

Budgie was largely a casualty of the leadership upheaval within the Solus team.

[@certs743]

Just FYI as a long time Solus user. Ikey also started Solus Linux so for a good chunk of the existence of both Budgie and Solus it was two projects run by the same team of people. So in alot of ways it was just one person wearing two hats and separating the two was somewhat of a distinction without a difference. If one person getting hit by a bus kills both projects you don't really have separate entities.

[@Yep6803]

On Ubuntu is the best desktop enviroment ever.

[@danholli123]

Fragmentation may hurt adoption, but not because of DEs, it's because of the many distros

[@RedBearAK]

Every time I’ve tried Budgie the task switching keyboard shortcuts (Alt-Tab and Alt-Grave) have been completely broken. Been that way for years. There were very open old bug reports about it. The nice UI and theming options weren’t enough to get me to use it for more than a day or two. I use those task switching shortcuts a lot. Had some similar odd task switching problems in MATE, but never in Cinnamon, Xfce, IceWM, LXDE/LXQt, Plasma or Gnome.

[@albinlarsson1412]

Was it that it worked with alt, but not super or ctrl? That one should be fixed now. I was the one who created the issue.

[@deusexaethera]

What is the "Grave" key? I don't have that one.

[@sharanoth]

@@deusexaethera The tilde

[@GarrisIiari]

One of these bug reports from 2017 regarding task and window switching and overview (or lack thereof) were probably mine, most still untouched.

[@graysonpeddie]

@@deusexaethera sharanoth did mention the tilde key, but to be more specific, it's below the ESC key, to the left of the 1 key, and above the TAB key.

[@gorg212]

Your intro audio design is so good!

[@MarkDavidMcCoskey]

I've settled into Budgie EndeavourOS. It works for me. 👍

[@GarrisIiari]

Great video. Was on Ubuntu Budgie years back, which was excellent. However, upstream Solus' condescending attitude towards the Ubuntu Budgie devs angered me and the obvious lack of development while Gnome and KDE raced forward lead me to drop Budgie. I'm hoping they can craft a truly modern and unique alternative to draw me back in the future.

[@GLP53Oz]

I am a complete nubee to linux in general and even more so to budgie. I have tried a number of distros, many of which have been debian based because they seemed to work straight out of the box, especially due to many others distros having issues with my macbookair 2015 i5 using broadcom wifi drivers. I liked MXLinux, Linux Mint and tried lots of others but finally decided to try the Budgie version of Ubuntu. I have only been using it for a short time but already I feel totally at home and at ease with it. The simplicity is amazing, but the simplicity doesn't mean simplistic, it just works. So I will stick with this package for the foreseeable future. Thx for the great videos.

[@black_wizard88]

okay, here is the thing! i installed ubuntu budgie a couple a days ago, and i love it! i have a old laptop with built in an ancient i3 cpu and 4 gig ram, and the system works perfectly! i use to mostly coding, working, learning. before ubuntu budgie, i tried the linux mint (cinnamon, mate, XFCE), kubuntu (i do also love it, but it's too heavy for my old laptop but works fine), but my final choice is the budgie. it's so clean, elegant, and easy to use. im happy with ubuntu budgie!

[@dirtydog4515]

Budgie on Gecko Linux and Ultramarine Linux are both excellent. Haven't tried Ubuntu Budgie yet.

[@justinhall3243]

If they adopt EFL you can anticipate the next version of Bugie coming out some time around 2175 or later.

[@rodoherty1]

Very much enjoyed your analysis. Nice pacing and pleasant delivery. Would happily listen to similar videos if you feel like doing another like this one. Thank you!

[@jmdennis1967]

I use this desktop on ultramarine and it runs great. With solus it would use to many system resources but does not seem to with ultramarine. I hope that it sticks around as well.

[@kk-linux-rocks7269]

I still use it on Solus

[@thelakeman2538]

I mean is a duopoly in the DE side really even that bad, most of the new innovations and features come from those two (Gnome and KDE) anyway. Xfce and Mate exist to not make new features or reinvent themselves but to stay as is and be good at being that, cinnamon too is good at what it wants to do but wouldn't call it innovative and is here to stay as long as mint does, I haven't used lxqt for more than an hour so I won't comment on it. And given how desktop linux works anyone can make their own custom window manager setup if they have the time and desire to do so, and due to the nature of open source if gnome or kde mess up the community or distro makers can just fork them to create better DE like with gnome 3.

[@ioneocla6577]

It can't be an issue because of the opensource nature. If something goes wrong with any of them we can just fork

[@wumwum42]

I am very interested how the new comic will look and how fast it will be, since It will be the first non C/c++ DE. I am looking forward how they push Rust into the DE ecosystem. Rust very liked in the CLI/TUI space and I think there are some popular WM written in rust out there.

[@iibrahimov]

I don't see relying on EFL would considered a (more fragmentation to linux) because its already fragmented. Besides EFL is old in linux but very efficient & powerful👍🏼.

[@ioneocla6577]

There is already a DE made in EFL anyway (called enlightment)

[@sinisasinkovic4334]

Looks like Fedora will make an official spin with Budgie

[@LessThanPeachy]

Ya know, I switched to KDE a while back after using Budgie for a while because it’s development seemed very uncertain, but I might have to try it out again.

[@unclefester9113]

I get tired of continuing to try chasing the best of the best ... .No no this is the very best.... Look over here.... This is better. Its exhausting. I miss Gnome 2. Its hard to keep retraining muscle memory. My muscles are getting old.

[@javabeanz8549]

I like Mate and Cinnamon, closest I can get to Gnome 2 and Unity 7, that worked well for me.

[@javabeanz8549]

@@Batwam0 sure, you can fight with Gnome 3/4 to get the features back that they removed. But why should I have to do that? The work flow is completely different.

[@stephenwilson0386]

@@javabeanz8549 That's kind of the point though - they clearly aren't trying to emulate any other desktop. It's a different workflow that works great if you care to get used to it. You CAN use extensions to make it act like KDE/Windows or whatever, but at that point you might as well just use something else.

[@javabeanz8549]

@@stephenwilson0386 My point, is Gnome has changed dramatically between 2 and 3, and somewhat less between 3 and 4. I liked Gnome 2, it worked well for me for years. The Ubuntu moved to Unity, which still worked just fine for me up through Unity 7. Then they ruined it. Then they decided to go with a slightly modified Gnome, which I find unusable. In my search for something I could use brought me to Ubuntu Mate, Mint Mate and Mint Cinnamon. Most of what I run now is Mint Cinnamon, as Ubuntu Mate and Mint Mate have some little annoying quirks.

[@Pixiesprinkle]

I really wish that budgie desktop will come back, It's a really great desktop, and the raven feature is good for productivity.

[@Fuma_da_NET]

para você, o zorion OS é a melhor distro linux? para trabalho e tambem para games? Eu instalei aqui achei bem interessante, bem limpo, e rapido. Ou qual indicaria para games?

[@supernova874]

I used many distros (and still use multiple) but my basic is Solus Budgie , budgie is the fastest and the most stable from all the de i have use in Garuda , Nobara and Solus as a comparisson. The Breakdown of Solus-Budgie was a mistake (as i can see through my eyes , as a Solus exclusive user for the last 2 years). The only draw back for non hardcore linux user is the configuration since many settings or for example add a .desktop shortcuts to toolbars requires dconf editor. I love it and will not change it and hope Josh never stop working on Budgie.

[@izby]

I understand why Ikey left the project, but I still don't understand why Josh did. What happened?

[@kon_radar]

Deepin 23 will come out soon. Will this system based on Debian be a worthy competitor for Zorin OS?

[@emjaycee]

I like the Budgie DE and Ultramarine Budgie is easily my favourite iteration of the Budgie desktop. I was a bit disappointed that Fedora didn't add it to their options with their Fedora 37 net-installer. Still, given Budgie DE's future appears to be somewhat clouded, perhaps they just didn't want to take the risk on it. I hope Budgie survives, Solus Budgie was the first Linux desktop that I actually managed to get installed, so I kind of still have a soft spot for Solus as well as Budgie :)

[@JoshuaStrobl]

Fedora 37's lack of direct support for Budgie Desktop in the images is simply because I got it included it quite late into the repos in the 37 development cycle, and because I simply haven't gone through the Change Proposal process yet for the creation of a Fedora Budgie Spin. It has nothing to do with quality, just timing. The plan is to submit a change proposal before end of year for F38.

[@jorgwalesch2797]

@@JoshuaStrobl That's great to hear! SOLUSfiddler

[@emjaycee]

@@JoshuaStrobl Thanks for that information :) Does this mean that Budgie will end up as a 'spin' like Cinnamon, as well as being included in the F38 net-installer?

[@sitaroartworks]

What happened to sound themes in Budgie desktop? :)

[@wallyhare8616]

Ubuntu budgie was my daily driver for a few years until about 9 months ago. I moved to M1

[@johannesgerneth9409]

Gnome is not touchorientated !!!! Gnome 4.X is a lifechanger when fully understood (virtuell desktops) and used with shortcuts and touchpad!!!! In addition in future times it might offer touchfunctionality. Budgie by now is pretty old-school. It sort of got stuck like elementryOS (which I have been using for years). By now they are neither Windows nor Mac.

[@thatoneguy229OG]

I've been pretty excited for Ikey's new distro SerpentOS. I'd love to see a breakdown on that once it's finally ready for use.

[@pastenml]

Every other year some's excited for Ikey's new distro, and every time it's a new distro... :D

[@jonbob9872]

It'll be great until he throws his toys out of the pram and runs off again.

[@curious.lad.369]

Linux really lacks good dekstop enviroments. There are few, but all have a lot of problems and honestly look bad. But hopefully that will change in future. I am really excited for Cosmic desktop in future.

[@stephenwilson0386]

Personally I think Gnome and Cinnamon are the best on Linux. Gnome has a fairly unique workflow and just feels very smooth and polished. Cinnamon is a stable and mature desktop with a traditional Windows-like layout, with tons of options to customize (to me it does what KDE tries to do, but a lot better because it's not a buggy mess). Of course these are just my opinions.

[@someguy9175]

@@stephenwilson0386 my only gripe on cinnamon is how it looks outdated. They really need to redo their UI and UX like what they did with their website.

[@curious.lad.369]

@@someguy9175 yeah cinnamon looks outdated, and gnome lacks a lot of features for wider audience adoption. Gnome started moving in right direction with gnome 40. They started making really good UI improvements, now they started improving shell aswell with gnome 43. But gnome has mentality issue, they try to adapt user to them instead other way around. That works for people who really like gnome such as myself, but for people outside linux world it will never work. Gnome moves too slow, but it is understandable because it is not really backed by any large company.

[@-aexc-]

@@stephenwilson0386 gnome has gotten really really good. it's pretty annoying how some settings that should be default need third party utilities or extensions though.

[@stephenwilson0386]

@@-aexc- True, although I think they're slowly addressing some of that. For example, the quick toggles and sound input/output switcher in Gnome 43

[@Steerable6827]

6:01 that is NOT what the default budgie look. this is customized/modified for ubuntu budgie.

[@ChristianClark]

... very good of the basic history which I did not knew LOL ...I have Ubuntu Budgie on one of my USB SDD .....all good

[@zparihar]

Nice video! BTW, have you taken a look at Kubuntu 22.10 recently? It's a dream!

[@byrongilbert3720]

budgie is alright. used it a number of times. personally i'd like to see cutefish make a come back though.

[@aliasreco]

My budgie on a previous windows 7 machine is freezing regularly. Maybe it's time for another distribution....

[@iijawadm]

Nice u ues zorin but the problem is gnome 3 still on it😅

[@PestisNonSapien_GMO_exHuman]

Why don't installers detect if your device has touch capabilities and not list gnome as an option? Installing gnome on a touchless device is foolish. Almost as foolish as installing a tiling window manager on a tablet without an external keyboard.

[@rossdaniels3519]

I like the fragmentation of Linux. Linux would still be my favorite operating system regardless, but with the fragmentation it is basically my favorite set of Legos.

[@davidwayne9982]

BUDGIE is still around--- in fact I have LINUX MINT with BUDGIE 10 on it now-- and it's GREAT... love it-- it's NOT like the old budgie-- MUCH BETTER and makes Mint great too... FAST- beautiful- and highly customizable!!! (not like it was)..

[@RandomFandomOfficial]

I use Solus OS an I like Budgie. It’s simple but also flexible, and fairly stable. KDE is bloated, complicated, and buggy. Gnome is not all that flexible, unless you add extensions which could break.

[@bobdinitto]

The popularity of Linux is primarily due to its flexibility and adaptability. It runs on a plethora of architectures and devices and it offers a plethora of desktop and mobile environments. Fragmentation is Linux's strength.

[@TradieTrev]

I understand the minimal aspects no different than using budgie smugglers compared to board shorts lol; Than again there's no need to reinvent the wheel.

[@WIM42GNU]

What happened to Chakra Linux?

[@StarlordStavanger]

What happened to Antergos Linux?

[@JessicaFEREM]

I love enlightenment but I don't like that it's painfully old.would love you see budgie run on enlightenment to give it some modern appeal

[@WildVoltorb]

Budgie is moving to Enlightenment

[@elyzsabethahne2116]

Yes, that's what I've heard, too.

[@Shagadin]

Please, make a video like this for Cutefish Desktop.

[@dinozaurpickupline4221]

I want to see lxqt & budgie Rise to fame

[@chrismcdonaldracing]

I have never been a fan of the hole fragmentation hurts linux argument. Seems to be a very authoritarian argument and gose against what linux has always been big on and that's choice.

[@lesliekorodi70]

Sulus 4.4 is back again 10/07/23

[@josebabeloki9869]

Never mind Budgie, it's doing great in 2023. Can you take a look into what is happening over at Solus? 2023 has not been kind to Solus.

[@dylan.t180]

Love this de

[@TranscendentalAirwaves]

I wish we could just take a couple steps back cause this flat shaded everything just looks so bad.

[@Claude-tj6ud]

All those projects stimulate the Linux desktop world. But in the end, the user should stick with longtime distributions if they want something stable.

[@Sahil-cb6im]

Tried budgie,Still love plasma

[@povilasbrilius]

Speaking #examples is the #BEST #DDD ever 🤕🥶☹

[@oldpain7625]

What happened? Nothing happened. It just continues existing.

[@alternatuber6698]

Solus should be based on PiSi instead of eopkg. PiSi package is underrated and better than many other package system.

[@StarlordStavanger]

eopkg is PiSi......

[@alternatuber6698]

@@StarlordStavanger you cant use pisi packages directly but needing own solus repo.

[@StarlordStavanger]

@@alternatuber6698 if you want to use pisi packages, use Pardus Linux then, that's not a Solus problem....

[@tenfourproductionsllc]

Budgie just not needed as it's just another fork of Gnome 3 and Cinnamon covers that well.

[@alpacamale2909]

we are in the future and turns out touch screen desktops are a meme

[@askhowiknow5527]

Ah, the foss world. Where "If it ain't fixed, don't break it" actually makes sense

[@mikepxg6406]

It went to meet its makers.........

[@kychemclass5850]

Slow as Molasses. LOL.

[@murraymcm1]

Vague comment. What is slow? Budgie? Ubuntu Budgie? Your computer?

[@GarrisIiari]

If there is anything Budgie isn't, it's slow. It used to be one of the snappiest, which was the big reason to use it. It's problem is that ALL DEs are now snappy, and it needs more reasons to exist.

[@kychemclass5850]

@@GarrisIiari I was simply expressing my amusement at the phrase IG said. I can't recall using Budgie and so have no opinion on it.

[@diuran1919]

dont caare if that istro will die. we got many others distros, we can say/write even too many distros.

[@hammer86_]

I lost faith in this project when they announced they were s witching to EFL.

[@deusexaethera]

KDE Plasma (v5) didn't exist when Budgie was released. You're thinking of KDE Oxygen (v4). And yes, it was pretty terrible. But now we have KDE Plasma, and there is no longer any need for any other desktop environment. 😋

[@ashwin372]

another distro going to die . rip solus and budgie. The key problem is fragmentation in Linux distro space. if all the developers could come together and build a single DE with a proper GUI toolkit (gtk is really worse no proper documentation and anybody looking to learn have a hard time unlike Qt) we will be able to build something that's better than win 11 .

[@oliverdouw9381]

Hey mr packer ;)

[@Azmodaeus49]

Budgie looks like MacOS

[@JoshuaStrobl]

Not especially. This is Ubuntu Budgie's changes on top of Budgie Desktop. Budgie Desktop as stock very much does not look like what Ubuntu Budgie provides :)

[@Jopekos]

I hope they migrate to ICED, the Rust language has a lot of potential.

[@zytr0x108]

C is still king

[@mdshehab8947]

OMG! you look similar to Tristan Tate

[@pantarei.]

I don't like the new Budgie - it is not much different to me than just regular Gnome. And that's sad.

[@zytr0x108]

They literally want to drop GNOME technologies (like switching from GTK to EFL).

[@mikepxg6406]

it fell off its perch.

[@josephdegarmo]

Budgie is severely flawed on Ubuntu Budgie 22.04.1. GNOME is a better desktop overall, which is best used on distros such as Fedora and Arch.