What Happened To Earth? | Terra's History Explained | Dune Lore Explained

An exploration of the mystery of what happened to Earth and how its history continues to echo throughout the pages of Frank Herbert’s Dune legendarium. When the story of Frank Herbert’s Dune saga begins we are thrust some 20,000 years into the future. In this rich mythology it can be easy to forget that this is not a tale set in some distant galaxy far away, rather we are presented with an alternate projection of our own future in which humanity has spread across numerous planets, forming an interstellar feudal society. But What happened to Earth, the birthplace of humankind? Earth or Terra is seldom mentioned in the original six Dune novels. However, the history of this once vibrant planet continues to influence the Dune universe significantly. Spoiler warning if you are unfamiliar with Dune.
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[@NerdCookies]

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[@klyanadkmorr]

fek Brian Herbert's fanfic

[@jaquandrejones]

You have a telegram scam going on in your comments rn

[@matthewsmith1779]

Brian's expanded universe is non-canon...

[@skistorm739]

what if earth have super ancient civilization people have rumours of earth was lie to cause 3000 years ago before 22nd they remove the tech and restore the world before they left.

[@Crazy_Talk96]

Will you still use the other intro music or is it gone?

[@JessWLStuart]

Setting the Dune-iverse 20,000 years since our time was a brilliant move by Frank Herbert. This separation allows Herbert to introduce any sci-fi element as believable in the Dune-iverse.

[@klyanadkmorr]

I used to say nearly ALL OUR GALAXY / Earth scifi is HISTORY in DUNE universe!! Star Trek, Foundation etc ☺

[@thomriley1036]

@@klyanadkmorr Makes you wonder if Leto II knew about that episode of TNG where Worf met the clone of Kahless the Unforgettable while praying for a sign of divinity.

[@patrickg3872]

A buddy made the argument and ties to The Matrix’s sci-fi as apart of Dune’s timeline. Actually fits pretty well, ie. Machines/AI. Herbert was the man!

[@thomriley1036]

@@patrickg3872 That's awesome! Maybe Neo & Trinity are really Daniel & Marty, and Duncan was seeing through the Matrix at the end of Chapterhouse? There's another episode of TNG titled "The Perfect Mate" where Captain Picard (aka Charles Xavier, Gurney Halleck in 1984) encounters a woman named Kamala (played by Famke Janssen, aka Jean Grey) who was being offered as a gift. She "imprints" on Picard after an accident, having been raised in complete isolation like Hwi Noree.

[@1977Yakko]

Considering many if not most Sci fi stories take place just 100-300 years in the future, a 20K year time lapse does leave a lot of time open for lore. Aside from Star Wars which takes place, "A long time ago..." though people still project it as being set in the future.

[@Jacob-Ironside]

Always thought it was cool that in the Dune universe earth is a myth like Atlantis. Great video!

[@drewmorrison]

Yeah in “Messiah” Paul speaks about Geghis Khan and Hitler as mythological beings from history.

[@ArrakisHeir88]

>i can trace my family line back to Agamemnon >i have no idea who that is

[@jamesperkins191]

Well, it’s meant to be the characters from the Iliad, but BH&KJA are vainglorious idiots, so insist that it's their own fucking cyborg fanfiction characters.

[@antoniomaietta1116]

Era un re grego ,partecipò alla guerra contro la CITTA DI TROIA

[@FreemanCanada]

Greek historical figure, the Greek king that defeated the Trojans during the Trojan War. You've likely heard of the Trojan horse, several Greek soldiers hid inside it then when the Trojans took the horse inside the city gates the Greeks inside started an attack and opened the main entrance. The rest of the main Greek army then stormed the city.

[@antoniomaietta1116]

Agamennone era un re grego

[@mollyfletcher7746]

The Agamemnon mentioned in the Duniverse refers to a Cymek Titan (human machine hybrid) called Agamemnon, who was the biological father of Vorian Atreides, who rebelled against his father during the butlerian jihad.

[@jay3-11]

The fact that in our time we’ve forgotten lessons 3,000 years, it’s no surprise that in Dune earth is hardly ever mentioned.

[@certaindeath7776]

the lessons from 3000 years ago are pretty wide spread. too bad the alexandrian library burnt down, a lot got lost there. collective memory was way way shorter before the written word. since the written word the memory just grew and grew, and always accelerated. even the "dark medieval times" have not been a time of stopping advances. A lot of the writings from 3000 years ago just have zero relevance today, so not many people have contact to those. its not important to know how many buchel of wheat you get for a goat on the market of theben. I think in dune universe earth also just was not relevant anymore. its still there, but it has no impact on the routines of the dune elites we accompany in the books

[@STho205]

3000 years ago? We've collectively forgotten important lessons from 300 years ago, 30 years ago, even 3 years ago.

[@theeffete3396]

@STho205 - Heck, Disney has forgotten lessons from 3 months ago!

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@certaindeath7776you ironically demonstrate the very thing you think your cautioning against. There were several libraries at Alexandria and nothing of consequence was lost, any more than we would lose our cultural knowledge if the library of Congress burned down. The very idea that knowledge was lost is itself misinformation due to lost knowledge (but which is not truly lost, but available, just not known widely)

[@kaanozkuscu5079]

​@certaindeath7776 you Fell for the meme that the library of alexandria was important. Library got neglected for decades and every important book and scroll was send to other places. Can't believe people are still paroling uneducated propaganda in the 21st century.

[@kuckoo9036]

This is very similar to how cites like Uruk, Ur, and how Mesopotamia civilization has largely disappeared from contemporary consciousness. It is the birthplace of human civilization but most people have either never heard of it or don't care, and is rarely talked about.

[@johnkrappweis7367]

The major difference, and major problem, is timescale. The civilizations of Mesopotamia existed some six or seven thousand years ago. The universe of ‘Dune’ is almost three times that far into the future. And thousands of light years away instead of hundreds of miles.

[@Novusod]

The decline of Earth in Dune is similar to the decline of Africa over the millennia. All humans originated in Africa if you go back far enough. To people living in the year 20,000 what happened on Earth would be seen as analogous to caveman times or tribalism. In the time span of Dune humans had settled millions of different planets each with there own histories that lasted for thousands years. The population of living humans in the galaxy was in the quadrillions. Earth was just an insignificant spec by that time. One planet among millions of other worlds with people indemnifying not as Earthlings but as residents of their local planet. Few people caring about whatever ancient origin they may have had.

[@odenat3701]

@@Novusod Well, humans did not settle to millions of planets at the time of the first dune book. If i remember right, Herbert wrote that the Corrino empire (which is all of humanity) contains about 10.000 planets although Corrinos say that they are the emperors of "a million planets". And that is one of the biggest issues that the son of Leto will face; humanity stopped expanding and that puts it in a big danger. That is why he creates his golden path. With 10.000 planets, some people must remember earth as some people today reads/knows about Sumerians. Herbert's son in his prequel books try to explain why humans do not remember earth but it is a bad explanation that makes little sense.

[@TheCrazierz]

I disagree. I hear about uruk and ur all the time lol

[@RaddSpencer]

@@johnkrappweis7367 I don't understand how that's a problem. If anything it makes the plausibility of people simply forgetting about Earth even stronger.

[@thatotherguy8138]

The non-canon "Earth got devastated, we turned it into a park to recover, and... um... kinda forgot about it." is the one that I like the best. It sounds like something I would do - I can't count the number of Very Important Things that I had to put aside for one reason or another... and then a few years later I run across one again and go "Oh yeah... I forgot about that."

[@patrickleitzen9752]

I definitely like Frank's simplistic (and shrouded) views on Earth's fate/status

[@knghtbrd]

Very much so! What happened to Earth? It's gone. What do you mean "gone", where is it? Gone. Over ten thousand years ago, Earth was already gone-lost. Maybe someone could have told you how in the decades and centuries before … but men began to allow machines to do their thinking for them. And then came other men with machines NOT SOME DAMNED CLICHED TERMINATOR WANNABE, KEVIN J ANDERSON!, and enslaved them. Oppression led to rebellion and rebellion led to the Butlerian Jihad and the thinking machines were destroyed with all that men had forgotten. When it was done, fragments remained. Much of it became part of the Orange Catholic Bible. The rest? Some say the Bene Gesserit may know more. You can ask the witches, if you dare. But I wouldn't expect a straight answer from the likes of them even if they know. Even if they do, the answer will cost you price you'll pay long after they tell you what they want you to know. It's gone, it's best you leave it at that.

[@kineticstar]

Earth has the worst luck in sci-fi books. It's alway lost or destroyed and needs to be abandoned.

[@Rivermano]

Earth is alive and well in Peter Hamilton’s Commonwealth saga universe

[@kineticstar]

@@Rivermano it's lost and destroyed in Dune, Star Wars. Destroyed in the Expanse, Avatar. Invaded in Three Body Problem. But Hamilton is the one author giving hope for a comeback!!

[@ScottyBeast]

That'll be our fate as well if we don't learn to preserve our home.

[@CalvinNoire]

​@@kineticstar Don't forget Star Trek!

[@stepanpazderka5497]

@@kineticstar Star Wars is actually set in ancient history. The humans there aren’t us. They are beings originally from planet Coruscant that just happen to look like us for relatability sake.

[@sontohartono]

The "Mysterious Earth" trope was pretty common by the time Herbert came up with Dune. Asimov's Foundation had it almost two decades before Dune. It is, after all, a very easy and useful tool to not get bogged down in the details of centuries or millenia of history, and instead just focus on the interesting part of just the actual story.

[@LordOfNihil]

thing is whats one planet when you have an empire of thousands, potentially millions. you discovery the history of the new planets and the old one is more or less the same. and eventually you stop holding a distinction for the cradle of humanity.

[@ScaryBaldMan]

Would be interesting if Earth was just renamed and after all those millennia no one remembers it was ever called that. It’s been called Verde-Azul for as long as anyone can remember.

[@jamesperkins191]

Yeah, I think there's chance that it faded into insignificance at some point and then might have been (re)discovered and given a new name without anyone realising that it's actually the homeworld

[@logannevins1959]

"Verde-azul" 😂😂😂 that's a good one

[@jakeg3733]

The problem with that theory is Frank having been his usual, meticulous self. All the star systems in the Duniverse are actually real stars, far as I know. In fact, maps have been made that show their positions. So it is unlikely that humans rediscovered then renamed Terra because it would be a glaring hole in the lore. However, the prequels explain that Earth had a fuckton of nuclear ordnance dropped on it during the early stages of the war, rendering it uninhabitable. Likely for millions of years, and Dune is 10,000 years after that, so not even close to long enough It faded into irrelevance, as it would, because no one is going to wait that long, even the Fremen. If someone from the time of Leto II or the scattering went back to Terra, they'd find an ecological trainwreck. Toxic, devoid of complex life, and maybe even breathable atmosphere. Snowball Earth at best and radiation blasted desert (more like Mars than any desert here) at worst

[@jeremyevans8374]

I love the idea of a remote, ancient, and mysterious Earth. I like to think that humanity will, in fact, spread out across the universe over tens of thousands of years. I like to think of myself as a an ancient man living in an ancient civilization. And that our civilization will one day be as remote and mysterious as early man is to us now.

[@theeffete3396]

It's too bad we are currently living in the worst timeline.

[@Finn_MacCool]

Hopefully we spread wokeness across the universe.

[@diegotrejos5780]

Become the bad quality copper seller you want future civilizations to see.

[@mikepalmer2219]

@@theeffete3396it could a.ways get worse.

[@nomansblog2025]

@@Finn_MacCool This but unironically. Bring on the Federation

[@teejaylecapois9741]

Earth in the Dune multiverse is like The Garden of Eden. The Humans of Dune aren't standard homo sapiens. They're post humans. And not just the ones that look different like the Space Guild pilots.

[@nfboogaard]

I remember one of the final books has a scene with a Van Gogh painting in it. Thanks for making this video, you've made my day a little nerdy today :D

[@allenrussell1947]

Oldrade loved that painting. Apparently you could touch it and experience it being painted.

[@scottcooper4391]

@@allenrussell1947 Yes Chapterhouse Dune. The Bene Gesseret had discovered the secret of what made Arrakis - "Dune" - the proliferation of sandworms that encapsulated the water and turned the surface into a planetwide desert.

[@kdog3908]

Thanks again Elaine. It's heartening to think the films may send people to videos like yours and subsequently make them realise what a gigantic, rich and varied canon they've just scratched the surface of.

[@AGL.001]

The idea of ​​the Earth as a great natural reserve seems wonderful to me.

[@MatthewTomich]

Let's start today.

[@AGL.001]

@@MatthewTomich Wonderful

[@jakeg3733]

Hippy

[@3baxcb]

Best case scenario and ideal if there's going to be anything resembling a civilization tens of thousands of years from now.

[@AGL.001]

@@jakeg3733 a proud and high hippie lol

[@Greengeist05]

Maybe Herbert wanted his hypothetical human experience to be unbound by the geography of earth. As I understand it, DUNE is a meditation on the trajectory of human civilization and how our flaws inevitable lead to a break down in said civilization. Herbert wanted the entire focus of his stories to be on humans as a species and not merely sentient inhabitants of singular planet.

[@VictorIV0310]

“Earth is the cradle of humanity, but one cannot remain in the cradle forever.” -Konstantin Tsiolkovsky

[@CitizenScott]

Yeah.

[@manwiththeredface7821]

Some things are better left covered in mystery. Earth's fate and location are such things. The Duniverse's appeal lies in its distance from (yet similarity to) our time, location, society etc. Earth is out there somewhere, that's all we needed to know. BTW if humanity survives long enough we will sooner or later "forget" Earth, just like we forgot that we once came from the savannahs of Africa. We sailed the globe many times over before we rediscovered our place of origin on it.

[@richardmcgowan1651]

I do like sci-fi stories were Earth is either not in the story at all or so far gone (or so far in the future) that it is no longer the Earth we know. You can still use Earth cultures but you can use it to tell much more interesting stories. I used to read some Warhammer 40k books and in one of them they run into a old Earth map and none of them know or even remember the names. The Earth on the map being lost to time.

[@zr6671]

i realllly love your wealth of knowledge about dune as ive only recently been getting into it, and its great to have deeper explanations.

[@NerdCookies]

Glad you enjoy it!

[@Jared_Wignall]

Your Dune videos are always interesting Elaine, keep up the great work and take care!

[@vickytaspartan]

I didn't read the saga (I have a pending reading on them) but I watched some of its film adaptations (including the later one). It's interesting how we, humans, tend to forget very quickly the lessons from History; in fact, I feel like it's one of our most dangerous traits since History is repeating itself in some aspects. Have a great day!

[@theeffete3396]

You really only need to read the first four book. The story ends with God Emperor. Although Heretics and Chapterhouse are interesting reads, they kinda feel like fan fiction. The books by Brian and KJA are utter trash.

[@silvertemplar8061]

Sometimes it’s surprising to see these videos just come up. Like finding a diamond in the rough, due to the quality 😀😀.

[@shanenolan5625]

Indeed. A nice cookie to snack apon.

[@NerdCookies]

Glad you like them!

[@TheKaos8]

Praise Elaine God Empress of Nerds

[@shanenolan5625]

@@TheKaos8 bless her coming and ber going 😆

[@johnedgar7956]

Hi NerdCookies, thank you for this one. I've always wondered what became of poor Earth in the Dune universe. I always felt like it was a half-forgotten relic of humanity's past that no one even visits anymore, like a sad, lonely place that never gets its due. this always felt poignant to me somehow.

[@sgt.grinch3299]

Thanks Elaine for your dedication to keep these series alive.

[@WolfHowl71]

As usual your Cookies are VERY well baked! Thanks for sharing.

[@vaeringjar1387]

Great video, and something definitely worth discussing. While I enjoy the Dune Encyclopedia's explanation of things, I always thought that Earth just faded out of significance by the time of the novels. as you describe. It's a bit like Mesopotamia in the real world - who actually takes the time to go there or actually even think about it? The CET is mentioned as having met on "a neutral island of Old Earth" in the appendix to the original Dune, with the very strong implication that it was Hawaii. That happened after the Butlerian Jihad and probably before the Guild had a complete monopoly on space travel, so we know Earth was still significant, with the appendix saying it was chosen because it was "the spawning ground of the mother religions."

[@theeffete3396]

The poem that ends with "M'Lord Sandwich" is a dead giveaway the island was one of the Hawaiian islands.

[@lsporter88]

Wonderful explanation and commentary as per usual.

[@Robert_Douglass]

Is it equally possible that, as the primary planet of the Synchronised Worlds, after the Butlerian Jihad humanity was quite eager to distance themselves as much as possible from Terra?

[@theeffete3396]

Yeah, that's my thought on it. We know the formation of the Spacing Guild was significant enough to create a whole new dating system, so why wouldn't such a rebranding of civilization also distance itself from it's shameful past? This theory still works without those awful books by Brian and Kevin.

[@RobertAnderson238]

Excellent video. Thank you for your continued work on Dune lore.

[@benjaminkelly9476]

Love this subject, I’m partial to ‘earth became uninhabitable in the past, and was made a nature preserve by the time of the Dune novels’

[@theeffete3396]

I like to think that Chapterhouse is actually old Earth.

[@agfw73]

Love this channel, have been subscribed since the beginning. Content is great, especially the Dune stuff. I’m dyslexic so reading the books is a real challenge and I find it difficult to keep up with the lore, but your videos are excellent and make the Dune lore accessible to me and easy to understand. The only comment I have is that I miss the original intro/theme music, it really added atmosphere to your content, any chance that you will bring it back?

[@NerdCookies]

Thanks! The original music got false copyright claimed, and I have to doxx myself to the claimant to fight it. So unfortunately I can't use it anymore.

[@agfw73]

@@NerdCookies Thanks for the quick response. Sorry to hear about the false copyright claim. I hear this allot from KZbin creators, its a real shame. Anyway, keep up the awesome work.

[@timnellis2885]

After reading all the Frank Herbert books, I would say Earth had become unlivable because of pollution. He was always talking about ecology and how ecosystems can be modified. I also feel that they don't even know where Earth is located anymore. Love your content, keep going.

[@scottcooper4391]

well - then you need to read the pre-Dune books - Butlerian Jihad, House Harkonnen, House Atreides, and House Corrino. In one of them, the Great Houses used the Family Atomics to destroy Earth and the Cyborgs that ruled it.

[@JoshSweetvale]

Pollution or possibly the _total societal war_ that led to the diaspora. Indeed, it's likely Earth was totaled in the Hitlerian Jihad.

[@Matruchus]

​@@scottcooper4391Not cyborgs but the thinking machines aka worlds spanning AI network called Omnious.

[@MsFlamingFlamer]

@@scottcooper4391nobody needs to read the Kevin J Anderson , Brian Herbert books. Those are not cannon

[@Evasivefiah]

Enjoyed this video very much

[@marknovak6498]

Earth snd Terra memories are in Dune but it was wise to keep the focus on other worlds in this story. In termerm of the arrangement of government, Frank Herbert said looking into our distant past, gives us a glimpse of our distant future.

[@MillerWright-mb1ob]

As I remember the explanation offered by the Dune Encyclopaedia for Paul-Muad'dib's prescience was that he was just mad. Any consideration of Dune should totally ignore Brian Herbert's money spinning abominations. Frank Herbert's interest was in human societies and how extreme they might become under certain circumstances, hence Helstrom's Hive and the many factions in Dune. He had no interest in robots except as an aspect of human society, especially in galaxy marauding robots.

[@xyreniaofcthrayn1195]

humanity it's over reliance on technology to the point machines saw humanity as little more than slaves or pets and humanities weird obsession to need a higher power to answer to and thus making a god first of machines then of the emperor and then with the unwitting help of the arrakian worms the god emperor atreides II. The closest Frank herbert ever got to pure scifi were the ixions.

[@beerenmusli8220]

This was a fascinating Video and delightful to watch!

[@thomasjpogue]

No matter what lore I am reading. I need to find out what happened to earth.

[@NR-rv8rz]

Small point of information regrading your scrip Lady Nerd of House Cookie. Dune is not an 'alternate' future, it is a 'possible' future.

[@andrewwiggins7763]

Awesome and interesting content as always

[@gaetanozorzi2055]

Dune is my favorite sci-fi epic of all time, Frank Herbert was such a genius writer. It’s so incredibly well thought out and compelling

[@kel3747]

When I saw Terran, I first thought you were covering Starcraft lore . Maybe something to consider in the future but still love your dune content.

[@NerdCookies]

Noted and fixed 👌 thanks!

[@MOColumbia]

With the varied paths of the differing 'Houses' and 'Guilds', I'd always expected some kind of Eugenics war on Earth that promoted the divergence in human evolution.

[@GreatGreebo]

I know I always say this but thank you for yet another excellent video! Cheers Nerd Cookies 🤘

[@hucklebuck411]

It's been a while since I read Isaac Asimov's Foundation series, but If I remember correctly the memory of Earth and where it was located was also lost to the mists of time.

[@Ni999]

Until found in Foundation And Earth. It's a must read.

[@MillerWright-mb1ob]

I was amused by how Asimov (etc) managed to tie all his disparate books into a single Foundationverse.

[@RustyShackleford051]

So lost, in fact, that it was a point of contention whether humans origins were one planet, or we were a result of convergent evolution from across the galaxy. Little goofy, but it's interesting because one of the characters says "how could one planet colonize the whole galaxy?"

[@jamesperkins191]

And Dune was very much an editorial reply to Asimov and Foundation

[@Ni999]

@@jamesperkins191 Years later and you're still paraphrasing Tim O'Reilly. You don't say why Hubert focused more on the characters and what the editorial was so I'll help. Hubert didn't like scientists and didn't trust them to guide us into a worry free future. Science is basically a form of religion and scientists are its false shamans, all hiding their true nature (edited to clarify, according to O'Reilly's view of Hubert). Hubert used Dune to expose the folly by making the religions basically concealment covers for science and their shamans may not have been best either. The Mule ought to have been the real hero in the Foundation universe and Paul gets that role in Dune. The outsider above science and religion. Anyway, that's one opinion. It's possible. It certainly explains why the science and technology explanations in Dune pretty much suck and you have to slog through them until you get back to the characters, where Hubert really shines. Understanding science and scientists were not Frank's strong suit but you don't have to understand something to not like it. (That's all just another opinion, so far as I know, mine fwiw.) Another opinion, not mine, is that both works are critical of their contemporary societies and oil (petroleum products) is played by Spice. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@trixrabbit8792]

You missed the fact that Lato II also intentionally hid parts of earth history. He made reference to the evil of the Spanish Inquisition and how he removed all reference of the inquisition and Torquemada from the historical record.

[@BA-gn3qb]

1st time viewing your videos. You have a fantastic and soothing voice.😊

[@NerdCookies]

Thank you!

[@donlengel4770]

Wow I had no idea so many religions played into this.

[@worldtraveler930]

So we hear a tale of the "The Earth That Was" I think we've heard this phrase used in a whole another "Verse"!!! 🤠👍

[@shanekilpatrick3378]

The machine planet is named IX because it is the ninth planet from its sun. People only know it was from an extremely ancient language from Terra.

[@joshportal2808]

There are 5 things from Earth that every house of the Empire enjoys. Only Paul and his family find out that these 5 things are from Earth and are the true survivors of time. (1) Coffee (2) Classical and Rock N’ Roll music (3) orchids and dandelions (4) glass and wooden animals (5) keeping a written journal

[@jakeg3733]

I don't remember rock being mentioned at all, but it's been awhile

[@markferguson5924]

On topic from another universe: as I recall from the Foundation 'verse, the origins of humanity are actually an open archaeological question, with Earth being one of several candidate planets.

[@jamesperkins191]

Earth makes the most sense from geometric and astronomical perspectives, but is uninhabitable which is why it's not universally accepted

[@jakeg3733]

​@@jamesperkins191It would be pretty simple I'd imagine. Even with some kind of fancy FTL drives we'd still spread out in a sphere, with Earth roughly at the center. Theoretically technology like that could allow going anywhere, but the problem is navigating safely to a place you can't survey because any images are hundreds, thousands, or millions of years old. A concept Dune addresses indirectly in a cool way

[@renuvatio9986]

These are good explanations I know the people of the Dune Universe migrated from earth but with no explanations it always kept me wondering. The Meteor explanation is plausible so is the development of thinking machines taking over maybe its a mystery that will never be solved personally I think it was Aliens but wait if we are the people from the Dune universe we are our own Aliens now that is a idea. Great research and video as always I'm always waiting for another cookie. Did you or do you think possibly diving into the Foundation series love that series as well it is something that makes you think

[@NerdCookies]

I've made a couple of Foundation videos but the Dune hype train is just moving too fast right now to switch my brain gears. In the future, yes! I'd love to do more.

[@damo6794]

Great topic/vid

[@theturquoisedream9244]

Yayyyy!!! Dune Cookies!!!! Awesome!!🤩🤩🤩

[@igmata]

I love your content 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾

[@Cauin450]

Humans: Committing the oldest of atrocities in the newest of ways.

[@markg.7865]

Somethings never change.

[@Cauin450]

@@markg.7865 we survived for 200,000 years by killing everything that tried to kill us. It in your DNA, 20,000 years isn't long enough to erase it.

[@mrnukes797]

​@@markg.7865 War never changes

[@General_reader]

I’d like to see videos about Brian Hebert’s books. Even if there’s nothing good to say.

[@MillerWright-mb1ob]

How could there be anything good to say ?

[@jamesperkins191]

Well, I'll go off what they say if there's nothing else, but if Dune Encyclopaedia or a video game has an alternative explanation, I'll go with that instead

[@seanohalloran384]

I wonder what music from Earth still exists in The Dune Universe. “Dark Side Of The Moon”? “Stairway To Heaven”? “A Day In The Life”? Do they know why Atomic bombs were created? Cars? TV? Nasa? What do their history books say? Great video!

[@mosesdelacruz5754]

I hope churros are still a thing 20,000 years in the future

[@allenrussell1947]

I wonder if Paul and Leto II have genetic memory of their Australopithecus ancestors?

[@jamesperkins191]

Leto at least could remember all the way back to being single-celled!

[@anonymousrex5207]

I always thought it would have been an interesting plot twist that Dune turned out to be Earth... destroyed by some cataclysm and now some desolate sand world, then rediscovered by human exploration and found to have the spice. The Fremen could have turned out to be some ancient group of survivors that stayed on the planet to endure the changes in underground bunkers, which would help explain why they still have their cities underground and so spread out.

[@arturovazquez7653]

You maniacs

[@allangibson8494]

In the Dune universe, Dune’s ecology was destroyed by the introduction of the sand worms which locked all the water away because it was lethal to them.

[@theeffete3396]

So much wrong with this theory, where to start...?

[@jamesperkins191]

@Koowluh In God Emperor of Dune, Leto II insists that the Worm-cycle was brought to Arrakis, implicitly by alien forerunners rarger than humans... The Fremen know their Zensunni lineage and migration history which led them to Arrakis. If Arrakis is Earth (it isn't, it orbits Canopus, a real star), they came full circle rather than being here the whole time.

[@centercannothold]

Arrakis have two moons. That alone make it impossible to be Earth, since we only have 1 moon. Goes to show how important is it reading the source material when moron like you is how we got 1984 Dune.

[@hardryv3719]

Excellent video

[@ryanconway2207]

Great as always. X

[@SuzetteKath]

When I first read the series back in the 70s. I was thinking that where Arrakis is. Was exactly where Terra was in the books. They spoke of how the planet used to be full of water.

[@jamesperkins191]

No, Arrakis orbits Canopus

[@jakeg3733]

The fictional planet orbits a real star. I always got the impression that Arrakis was some sort of primordial, lifeless proto-Earth when humans first found it. Terraforming (possibly using the sandworms) gave it a breathable atmosphere but made the water unreachable Seems strange given how divergent and technologically regressive the Duniverse is, but at some point humans had to have gone there with what from our perspective would be very advanced technology. Dudes in spacesuits, riding in massive colony ships, gives way to cultures with technology bases that have more in common with dark age Europe than NASA

[@Tranxhead]

More than what it might symbolise, the forgetting of earth is a recycling of humanity having forgotten its original homeland. It isbthe same phenomenon in space.

[@Veklim]

I always liked the fact that Earth was a vague and distant memory, not really expanded upon or much mentioned. The mystery and lack of attention given to said mystery serves to distance the story of Dune from our world whilst simultaneously speaking volumes about the nature of human existence and our propensity to forget and dismiss that which is no longer in front of us. At it's heart, the story of Dune is one of the dangers of stagnancy and complacency, and the need to attend to ecological and spiritual wellness in order to evolve and move forward. The sheer layers of subtlety in the way the narrative is formed and presented will always stagger me.

[@Davepool-hs7vr]

When I saw a notification about this video, I was immediately intrigued.

[@Agamon]

NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you so much :)

[@a88aiello]

I imagined earth is dune, abandoned so far in antiquity it was forgotten about.

[@Masonicon]

1:50 this reminds me of Anunnaki empire moving their throne world elsewhere away from earth in response of meteorite that wipe out dinosaurs

[@MichaelMaxwell747]

Your videos are among the few that get an auto - like from me before I even watch them.

[@NerdCookies]

Thank you for the support!

[@rubysultra]

Herbert should have been the first global elected leader. This is the level of introspection required to manage billions of people. His lessons should be in schools.

[@_PsychoFish_]

Maybe a bit offtopic but I wouldn't be surprised if there'll be a "Butlerian Jihad" community irl in the near future, because of the current development in LLMs and AI.

[@jacobgarland3257]

There will only be a jihad if AI doesn't destroy us all before we can resist.

[@rayeasom]

Short answer Earth became a dead planet before being terraformed back to a habitable planet and reseeded with plant and animal to become a kind of national park.

[@P-Mouse]

when i first was getting into Dune, my theory was: Giedi Prime = Earth &, Arakkis = Venus obviously i got proven wrong, but i still think that would have been kinda cool.

[@sectorgovernor]

Yeah, Giedi Prime 's star is Opiuchi B, so it is surely not the Earth

[@jockeb2651]

Love the new intro

[@NerdCookies]

Thanks!

[@behavior852]

Poor, Terra.

[@doltsbane]

I still don't understand how an advanced technological society can have a feudal social structure given the personal empowerment that's implicit in technology. Particularly in a society that rejects AI and therefore necessarily places more economic power in the hands of individuals. How precisely does the aristocracy impose its will on the peasantry? What keeps the merchant class from converting its financial power into political power? I don't see such a feudal arrangement being stable, any more than it ever was in Earth's past for very long.

[@pinecactus9672]

Feudalism was stable for quite a long time

[@jamesperkins191]

Well, that's the rub, that's why so much technology is outlawed, we can't have any of those peaky Revolutions now can we?

[@DrewBoivie]

A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away...

[@Youtube_is_Trash]

Earth was destroyed by a robot named Giskard who had calculated that it was the best possible course of action to ensure humanity's growth.

[@monkeytron5061]

Hey, it’s cool that if you tried to keep Earth as a park prestige you would eventually fail as evolution and entropy would ultimately scupper your plans. It’s only going to be like this once. That makes me smile.

[@kenaustinardenol1338]

Frank really thought this whole Dune universum through to the finest details, didn't he? My first thought was that earth was nuked to a sinder to a cinder, or was I confused with Robots and Foundation? A lot of SF sets its stories still bounded to Earth, Dune not really, though links turn up once in a while like the Corderville painting of van Gogh. The fun thing about this kind of backgroundstories is that it possibly push people to read all the other Dune books, which btw I did 🙂 Another btw: I reread the Dorsai Trilogy ( Gordon R. Dickson' s Childe Cycle)) being Soldier, ask not; Tactics of Mistake and Dorsai! ( also known as The Genetic General) and found more resemblance with Dune. Now I wonder if both writers knew each other.

[@damouze]

In Isaac Asimov's Foundation universe, Earth was not nuked in the literal sense. The two robots, whose names elude me at the moment, altered the parameters of quantum physics to make Earth more naturally radioactive.

[@kenaustinardenol1338]

@@damouze Thx, been a while I read Robots and Foundation, but remembered they found one of the original robots on the moon, because there was something wrong with earth. Btw that link between robots an foundation blew me away 🙂

[@Ni999]

​@@damouzeR. Daneel Olivaw and R. Giskard Reventlov would be my guess but it's been a while...

[@damouze]

@@Ni999 That's them yes, thanks.

[@Ni999]

​@@damouzeYou're welcome 👍

[@EmmettF.W.]

Earth is right where it’s supposed to be, with the real Emperor of mankind biding his time, waiting for 30k, for when he takes his Thunder Warriors and Custodes to take back his planet and then proceed to spread across the stars. Of course….

[@protennis365]

So pretty much, Skynet and the Matrix are in the same universe as Dune.

[@jamesperkins191]

Dune canon is a mess, with nearly every new media trying to 'share' it with something else. Lynch has it that Paul Atreides is the identical descendant of the guy from Twin Peaks! Westwood Studios place it in the Command & Conquer / Red Alert multiverse somehow (there's time travel, so it's complicated). The new Villeneuve movies would have us believe that it's a very distant sequel to his Blade Runner sequel...

[@Malbeefance]

It would stand to reason that earth would not figure directly in the original book series. The early parts of the story specifically state the bam on AI. This would infer a serious calamity to bring about such a ban. It can further be easily inferred that such a calamity would involve earth. Thus possibly leaving the planet lost or its influence greatly reduced. I admit there are a number of assumptions but they seem logical given the amount of information we do get from the original series.

[@docbuck]

Bring back the old intro theme! It's why I clicked on this thumbnail!

[@NerdCookies]

The old one started getting false copyright claimed so I had to switch it for a while until that got resolved. It's back in the new ones *for now*

[@DMSProduktions]

Let history, never forget the name:ENTERPRISE!

[@anomicanomic2705]

Please do episode on Erasmus character he is my favorite

[@changer_of_ways_999]

A good real world analogy could be Rome during the middle ages. There were periods during the middle ages where, despite its importance both culturally and spiritually, Rome was largely vacant and empty. During Attila, the Western Roman Empire mostly abandoned its capital. Later, during the "Babylonian Papacy," the Pope resided in Avignon, France and as a result Rome dwindled severely. Just think of all the ancient ruins of great cities, castles, temples now long abandoned where they used to be the center of world domination in the past. Centers of world power constantly migrate along with the rise and fall of empires.

[@shanenolan5625]

Thanks Elaine

[@2008Gixxer600]

I prefer the asteroid/park explanation. (Provided the park isn’t developed by Disney.) Regarding the OCB, I always suspected that it was rooted in Catholicism, but have wondered about the meaning of the color orange.

[@aedanbranson]

It comes from Koran shortened to Oran with the ge being added later thus the Koran Catholic Bible became the ORANGE Catholic Bible.

[@2008Gixxer600]

@@aedanbranson That make sense. Thanks for the explanation!

[@jamesperkins191]

Well, there two things... All the religions uniting is like the wedges of an orange (the fruit) coming back together. But by the time of the main story, people have forgotten that name for the fruit - they call it 'portyguls'. Externally, Orange is a 'Protestant' colour, so it's a joke about irreconcilable branches of Christianity reuniting - a cobtradiction in terms.

[@jamesperkins191]

@@aedanbranson no, but I like it!

[@fingerfeller]

Thanks!

[@NerdCookies]

Thanks for the support!

[@legi0n47x]

New intro music is growing on me.

[@knickebien1966]

Ancient earth? To quote Alien 4: "Earth, what a shithole!"

[@EnterHacker]

Good topic.

[@NerdCookies]

Thanks Jon!

[@EnterHacker]

@@NerdCookies Well. Dune 2 is getting close! Starting to check out some Dune stuff. I'm level 1 in this RPG.

[@khartog01]

My favorite thing about dune is its inspiration to other sci-fi, including my favorite 40k.

[@jimkenealy6448]

I miss the old music - the content is better than ever but... it establishes a unique atmosphere

[@NerdCookies]

Unfortunately, it got false copyright claimed, and I have to doxx myself to the claimant to fight it...

[@exposingproxystalkingorgan4164]

Nothing rules forever in power.

[@craigsisco1894]

Book 7 was meant to have main characters return to Earth…to find a Battlestar in orbit. 😮

[@jamesperkins191]

There was never a book 7 planned (that's a lie started by BH&KJA), Chapter House was the intended send-off. Still, a BattleStar would have been a better sequel than the ones we actually got!