What Happened To Heroes (2006-2010)?

[@MattSaysHello]

Heroes season 1 is some of the best TV I’ve ever watched. Absolute classic!

[@danielhathaway8817]

I also really liked the second half of season 3, the one with the carnival

[@Noneofyourbusiness2000]

Back when network TV was all we knew it did indeed feel like that, but that recollection is about something seen through rose color glasses. If you rewatch it today you would realize how absurd that statement is. Go watch Frieren or many other anime to experience something truly well written. Heros relied on hype and anticipation of what will happen next without much thought to the importance of what actually happens. It was all about ratings and keeping you coming back for more. I understand it's a business but it doesn't create an environment conducive to good story telling.

[@YanickaQuilt]

In my mind, hero was one season PERIOD.

[@Puerco-Potter]

​@@Noneofyourbusiness2000 so, you need to divorce it from context and genre? Lol

[@Noneofyourbusiness2000]

@@Puerco-Potter the context was broadcast television was and still is horrible. It sounds like you want to ignore context and genre. That's fine but at least qualify it by saying it was the best broadcast TV ever. It wasn't even the best TV at the time because we already had shows like The Sopranos.

[@transformerstuff7029]

the writer strike happened, and it killed one of the most promising shows ever.

[@mrdynamitehee]

Heroes S1 had Game of Thrones level cultural impact before GoT. I knew it was over when Sylar was revealed to be a long lost brother to the main characters like it was a cheap daytime soap. Such a shame.

[@slimmccoy8863]

Had stopped watching before that bomb dropped. Sounds like the writers were grasping at straws.

[@mrdynamitehee]

@ it was astonishing just how far this thing fell. Worse than D&D’s GoT disaster, imo. It’s just that social media wasn’t the thing it is now….

[@Bored_Barbarian]

He actually wasn’t their brother though. Angela just lied to him so he would do her bidding

[@mattbeganie4519]

Season 1 was so devastatingly unique and well done that subsequent seasons and attempts at character building just fall short

[@vinnyfalcone]

You are so spot on. The Ali Larter character had too much storyline for eye candy.

[@slimmccoy8863]

It's a shame, I liked the concept, but the execution failed.

[@WowAaronIsAwesome]

Heroes downfall was a TV tragedy

[@DanBrazierMusic]

why does the commentary keep skipping? it sounds like youre about to hear an interesting story and then it suddenly skips to something else 11:32

[@clee027]

The editor missed it.

[@Thrillhou]

Sloppy editing. You're only missing half a second, it just feels longer because your brain doesn't expect speech to work that way.

[@rjt3476]

same at about 6 minutes

[@bhgemini]

​@@Thrillhou I think @danbraziermusic means the first time when they mention a funny Greg Grunberg casting story and it skips the whole thing. It does happen like you mention later during the Masi Oka portion.

[@Thrillhou]

@bhgemini ooh, gotcha. About half-way through watching this it seemed so familiar I felt like i had heard it word-for-word at some point so i figured it must be an edited re-upload. (This is after id commented.) My new theory is that it IS a re-upload and the story in question was either debunked or was in some way undesirable to the people in question so it got chopped. Just a guess- haven't looked into it in detail.

[@Noneofyourbusiness2000]

What happened to Heros was it was written by people who were good at getting you excited about characters and what will happen to them but can never deliver on that anticipation. If the writer's strike didn't happen, the show would have lasted longer but ended up disappointing us just like lost. The public was catching on to these kinds of writers by then and the poor story writing due to the strike hastened its end.

[@Zett76]

Well, only if you, as a writer, feel that you have to explain everything. :) David Lynch created Twin Peaks, and even though it got really weird at the end of season two, it kinda worked. Almost nothing was explained.

[@Noneofyourbusiness2000]

@Zett76 if that kind of low IQ entertainment entertains you, then have a blast.

[@atdubya9576]

@@Zett76it all depends on how many narrative threads you leave dangling and if in doing so you leave compelling clues for the audience to create their own answers from. That takes a very strong writer to pull off👍🏽

[@bosarvinski907]

Noah Bennett was a master class in character development arc. An intimidating individual who seems to have specific goals of limiting the spread of those with powers; when in reality, it was to protect his daughter.

[@joehenry9546]

The first season was fantastic. The second season felt unfinished because of the writers strike. It sadly went downhill after that.

[@Iamdarthplague]

The first season was so wonderful and the writers strike really killed the entire show.

[@MrChupacabra555]

Is this a re-upload? It seems familiar, and there are a few strangely timed moments, like building up to Hiro's 'Catch Phrase' ("Ya-Taaaa!!") and then not showing it, or the story about how Greg Grunberg got the role seems to have been cut.

[@Jammsbro1]

Yeah, some dodgy editing going on.

[@DeltaNovum]

Yeah, very apparent cuts after introducing an idea and not following through, happened a couple of times.

[@dash-x]

Me and my husband were JUST talking about Heroes. It started soo flipping good, and needed at the time with a silly premise of “save the cheerleader save the world.” What they did in subsequent seasons is just cruel.

[@kleeenco]

I am surprised you could do a whole section on how Heroes got made and not mention The 4440, which was a show about ordinary people developing super powers. The 4400 came out 2 years before Heroes.

[@Silver5021]

When I was in college, my classmates and I would talk about this show non stop! It was that show that got us excited to know what would happen next episode or season. I absolutely loved the show. However, after season 2 it felt different. I mean it had potential but I wish the writers strike would have not messed with the show but life happens…

[@suntanironman]

You left out how disappointing the season one finale was. Obviously not everybody thought it was disappointing. Some liked it. But it was a huge topic of discussion at the time. It was like they ran out of money at the very end. And maybe that’s exactly what happened. IDK. But the big fight that all of these individual storylines was leading to… and it was just a relatively-small encounter that happened in an empty city? Where were all the random people walking around at night? Has New York City ever been THAT empty at night?! 😂

[@Zett76]

I always suspected that there was a last-minute re-write, after they realized they had a hit... and the original ending would have been more definite. More deadly. That episode was also the first one with obvious signs of plot armor. 😀

[@ChedWick05]

Writers strike. Saved you 25 minutes as this has been established since like 2007

[@integral]

Right there with you. The first season was brilliant, engaging, and made us hungry for more. The second season was so weak I believe I gave up midway through. Thanks for reminding me of the show. We will have to rewatch on Prime.

[@modvavet]

I was a little thrown off by the comment about it jump-starting George Takei's career. It occurred to me, though, that I hadn't seen him in much of anything else in a very long time. Which is saying something for somebody who's legitimately one of the most well-known actors in the world and has been since decades before I was born.

[@nettack]

Thrown off? It's ludicrous. Makes one think the author is even old enough to have been around while the show was on

[@shamusomalley4263]

Oh, my!

[@OrinThomas]

Reinvigorating might have been a better term.

[@krs4976]

I've just watched through all of heroes again including Heroes reborn. Personally I love the whole thing from start to finish and it's a shame it didn't run for a lot longer. Season 1 is neigh on perfect although each subsequent season pales in comparison it is still a good fun watch and much better than many other series. Definitely worth your time and Heroes Reborn is no where near as bad as people say it is.

[@carloszarzoso1724]

Reborn was alot worse.

[@marcusnolte7476]

Heroes Season 1, just like Westworld Season 1, can and should be watched as a stand alone season, both are mindblowing. Just don't watch the rest...

[@Teffers]

What happened to the editing on this episode - the stories about Greg Grunberg’s casting and Masu Oka’s catchphrase seem to have gone missing 🥴

[@Graystaff]

Season 1 was pretty great. The rest was an exercise in watching a series fail.

[@dmann1982]

It jumpstarted the career of George Takei? Do you mean Masi Oka?..

[@The_Texorcist]

I absolutely love season one of the show. Sadly, the writers strike really hurt the trajectory of this show in its second season I believe, and it was never able to really recover from that.

[@22espec]

What happen was that EVERYBODY FORGOT ABOUT BEING HEROES, seriously, everybody was running away from the secret society or in a family drama

[@johnivory3245]

Fan service destroyed Heroes. Yes you can blame the writers strike on some aspects of the show but ultimately pandering to the audience. Or what they think the audience wants was its downfall. Keeping characters around long past their usefulness. Keeping characters alive that should have died. Dragging out particular storylines when half a season arc was all that was needed. All to keep internet chat bots happy.

[@1-eye-willy]

that was such a good show, one of my buddies had all the seasons on dvd, and we binge watched it all over a couple of days.

[@bassguitarislife3419]

Must’ve been nice. I had to wait for each episode to release each week in anticipation.

[@DarkLordDiablos]

I can't imagine Emma Stone in Hayden's role because she doesn't fit the Cheerleader look. Maybe if they had her go blonde like when she played Gwen Stacy. But not as a redhead.

[@TheRaven8]

This was really cool, but there were parts where you just edited out the end of your sentences, or cutt to a completely different topic

[@Varg84]

Season 3 with Papa Petrelli was my favorite. They did him dirty by killing him off with a bullet. Should have had a multiple season villain arc for him.

[@GarlandCoulson]

Heroes Season 1 was brilliant. I was so excited to see more, but then it went off the rails.

[@Malryth]

When we had that Total Eclipse of the Sun up here in Canada. I turned to that iconic Eclipse photo from Hero's. You're correct, Season 1 is solid and it was a show I truly hoped would have continued longer than circumstances gave it. Ah well, we can not change the past. We can only hope the "movie makers" of today have some New and Original idea's like we had in the 80's, 90's and the early 00's.

[@rickardelimaa]

_Profit_ - a series a decade ahead of its time.

[@DCMarvelMultiverse]

When I speak of it to anyone, I describe it to them as Dexter meets Mad Men.

[@Mayor_Of_Eureka17]

Jesse Shade = 100% quality content

[@ThatSoddingGamer]

Studio interference where they demanded that changes be made for popularity reasons at the expense of the actual plot. Raise hands; who was shocked to hear that was a significant factor in the decline? I do remember being eager to see new episodes, and the decline in quality (and I also remember only watching like one episode of Heroes Reborn).

[@sethmaki1333]

I'm reasonably certain that Kring is a big Star Trek fan. There are so many Trek-related Easter eggs that I wound up losing count, such as Hiro's father's (played by Hikaru Sulu himself, George Takei) limousine having a license plate that read "NCC-1701."

[@cc_tw]

Superhero origin stories are hard to follow up because the heroes become too strong. It becomes hard to tell a story that viewers can relate to afterwards...

[@christopherulichney]

Gone but not Forgotten is my favorite JoBlo series. I would love it if you would cover "Revolution" that ran on NBC from 2012 - 2014.

[@ponya3.66]

Profit was SOOO good!!! 😍😍 Profit and Kindred - The Embraced were two of my favorite shows in the 90's that got cancelled way too soon 😤

[@xlnyc77]

Season 1...*Chef's Kiss* I miss watching the "webisodes" that eventually ended up as special features on the DVD. We don't get that behind the scenes magic on shows anymore

[@eon001]

I was just thinking about Heroes. So many good ideas. I think they were just too damn ambitious. I would have been happy if they focused on a few heroes like Matt Parkman, and have him be a psychic detective for like 5 episode. So many damn changes so quickly.

[@wickdwabbit]

Ahem...George Takei was a renowned actor that starred in Star Trek from 1966 until 1991. Sir. His career didn't get "jump-started" by Heroes but it did give some nostalgia-berries of his acting chops to us Trekkies.

[@trevonh4139]

Heroes is supposedly making a comeback, hopefully it all works out.

[@VuotoPneumaNN]

04:22 WOW, some very sound advice from the guy who wrote Ultimatum!

[@RedDragonM1]

"Heroes"was good...at first. Then it became awful and stupid and I was told it was awful and stupid by the internet, and I stopped watching it. "Heroes" was seen as a failure, and a joke....and some say it was worse than "Lost".

[@Ricmiester510]

Loved this show when it was on tv

[@reggiefurlow1]

Started off so damn good

[@Jammsbro1]

Any time a show kills off a character and then brings back the same actor as the evil version, you know it's over.

[@agent95_]

I love how people who claim to be fans of this show talk so much shit about it as if season two suddenly made the show disappear like it didn’t have three out of four full seasons. The show was ahead of its time. The show was damn good. I enjoyed it every single step of the way and the only downside to the show is that it didn’t get its fifth and final season to close it out.

[@tsoliot5913]

I used to catch a ride with my friend and neighbor to the laundromat, do my laundry, grab takeout chinese combo meals from next door, and warch this every week.

[@dubesquire6329]

They are about to come out with a new Hero’s show next year on Peacock.

[@SonnyK248]

Lost, Heroes and Prison Break was the holy trifecta of shows in the 2000’s.

[@look4lec]

glad emily stone got into CW and is the best bat girl in my universe, sad she lost out on the hockey player wife role IRL.

[@beatswork]

It blew its load on the first season. They never should’ve all met each other on the first season. They should’ve dragged it out as long as possible.

[@jwalksk]

Hereos should've been just 1 season. That first seasons was so good.

[@tooslow4065]

one problem was sylar. making him take all these people's powers, then turning him into a good guy. then turns out it was that cult dude thats probably the most powerful super. should have just kept it simple.

[@KamikazeCommie501]

I wonder if those writers that went on strike feel bad about what they did? TV is essentially dead now because it's 90% reality tv shows.

[@NeoTechni]

JJ Abrams and his garbage mystery box writing did worse

[@chrispy1623]

Good video. Whats the name/singer of the "In need a hero" version in the end?

[@atdubya9576]

The writers strike just revealed the flaws early. But just like Lost before it there were just too many balls in the air for it to work long term. You can have multiple narrative threads but you have to be able to either resolve them in a compelling way, make them inconsequential to the big picture or leave enough breadcrumbs for the audience to be satisfied with their own interpretation.

[@HandsomeGent]

I could never figure out if the storylines in Heroes were suppose to be a homage or a ripoff of X-Men but i loved the series.

[@look4lec]

oh and I know the gilmore girls girl, didn't know Nathan was on gilmore... Milo almost got fired for dating the cheerleader didn't he?

[@bobscanlon5212]

Did we edit out the grunberg story?, there was a wierd cut there right after you introduced him. "Diddy Party" cover up?

[@mjw1978]

I’m likely the only one who thinks this, but I really enjoyed S3 of Heroes; I found it better than both S2 and S4. Yes it has its holes but it remains to me, better than all but S1. Loved the whole show however, and I still watch it as a binge series of nostalgia

[@jacobhawk9311]

Ugh it breaks my heart how bad this got 😢😢😢😢

[@phtevenj]

also when working in a call center i got a call from Milo's mom.... it was hilarious

[@Br33zeKooL]

You should cover V and Falling Skies. I think these were 2 shows that fumbled the bag.

[@Ba1th1azar]

it was apparent to me after season 1 that they didnt have a babylon 5 style "outline" for a multiple season arc. i will be honest, i thought it was more incompetence than network interference, but the result is the same. season 1 was some of the best tv ever though.

[@linkdk59]

Is this the same video as Heroes : What happened to this show? It took me until the Erick Avari airport anecdote to notice.

[@sfa6742]

oh man, I loved Journey Man

[@antfrancis9941]

That last episode of that final season was just..... 🤔

[@christopherulichney]

OK. You played the Big Bang Theory clip. So when are you going to cover "Alphas" on Gone but not forgotten?

[@countys32]

I want this version of I need a hero

[@Magmaster13]

Jack Coleman went from an openly gay character on Dynasty to a closeted Senator on The Office.

[@jameskyle4718]

One of my favorite shows growing up!

[@kerry-j4m]

Mine too.I also LOVED : LOST,24 and that tv show with Jennifer Garner as a spy.

[@wabba67]

As others have said, the first season was amazing - until the finale. For me, it was a horrible let down and the show never recovered from it.

[@barneysbestbuddy5472]

Thanks for the insightful if glitch commentary. Heroes S1 was amazingly good. I even didn't hate S2. I loved the inclusions of Nichols and Takei but S3... yikes.

[@sacpig6839]

Who voices this channel? Joel David Moore? The voice is a 100% match

[@brandonmurphy301]

GBNF needs to do the 3 (technically 5*) Stargate shows. *The cartoon, Stargate: Infinity, and the Web series Stargate: Origins.

[@TheRaven8]

Also, Nikki's disorder is called "dissociative" identity disorder, not disassociative. Very different

[@Dano_116]

I love all of heroes, Tim Kring is supposed to be bringing it back so that’s gonna be awesome 🥳.

[@Lance37a]

Again?

[@darrenstopper1806]

@@Lance37aI know.s5 was terrible and utterly pointless.As was the found footage film that preceded it “dark matter”I think it was called

[@mirandansa]

As someone who has lived in Japan for a long time, one thing I can point out about this series is that its depictions of the country are woefully caricatural or inauthentic. The streets are completely fake, the sets were designed obviously by people who weren't familiar enough with the country, and all of the supposedly-Japanese characters except Masi Oka (as Hiro) have such thick non-native accents, the actors don't actually speak fluent Japanese or aren't even Japanese, including George Takei (as Hiro's father) and James Kyson (as Hiro's best friend). It's like having French actors play British-native characters on cartoonishly-London streets constructed in a Paris studio, it kept distracting me from the already-unrealistic story.

[@1-eye-willy]

you do realize this show was basically a moving comic book, right? go read any comic book and you will see everything is "woefully unauthentic. its serialized fiction.

[@yorsyhernandez88]

ok

[@thomaswilson1016]

It a fucking tv show, what do you expect? Go watch documentary you weeb.

[@mirandansa]

@@1-eye-willy It being a "moving comic book" has nothing to do with why its supposedly-Japanese characters don't speak fluent Japanese and why its Japanese sets don't look actually Japanese. The real reason is that the production team didn't care enough to make it authentic because it wasn't the focus of the series and the intended primary audience were Americans not knowing better. The Spider-Man movies are a "moving comic book" and its representation of NY is way better, because NY was the focus and the intended primary audience were Americans knowing better.

[@scout3058]

I lived in Japan for 4years (2012-2016) and I have no problem with the Japan sets/characters from Heroes. I suspect this guy has a problem with Cobra Kai scenes in Okinawa too. 😉

[@danielwalton9012]

Geese & Goats! Chickens Clucking!

[@Tael71]

Heros Season 1 was great, but then Season 2 it jumped the shark and went down hill...

[@TheIconReturns]

Why do these videos constantly have lines cut mid sentence right into another subject? Am I missing something here?

[@JerzCe73]

I know the Noah Bennett character is similar to other nonpowered human villians or antihero government guys, but I think Garth Ennis and Darick Robertson based James Stillwell on him.

[@cadillacdeville5828]

It's unfortunate,I never saw it.

[@Mr.Ultra_MAGA]

Heros was my favorite show along with Prison Break until TWD came a long.

[@DanielBradler]

This show was incredible for its time! I wasn't much of a fan of its spin off reborn though...

[@RandomTChance]

It was good, it got bad, then it got worse. 😞

[@edrodriguez4822]

I still like sylar dang it😂. The series was fire

[@LoafyMolasses]

... I'm sorry, did you say that this was George Takei's breakout role?

[@CaptainMushrooom]

Is this a reupload? I swear I’ve seen this years ago before heroes reborn…

[@BeefWhimzyshire]

Lol...Heros started George Takei's career. Oh sure, he never did anything big before that...

[@MINKIN2]

*Jump started And tbf, at the time he was just known for Star Trek. He still is mostly, but at least people can also say "Oh he was in this, and that too" now.

[@NeoTechni]

correct

[@Zett76]

@@MINKIN2 "at the time he was just known for Star Trek" Which is more than enough to call it a career. 😀

[@RDJ134]

I saw the same video on 13 march 2023.

[@Biggarou]

I agree the writers had a great concept, but always painted itself into a corner. it didnt help that is's concept defeated is self by saying they needed to create a new cast every year. then tossed that out because people wanted those stories to continue. none of them were supposed to be there past season one. but exects heard thay and told them mid saeson, 'No we cant pay new actors every year." Supernatural did what heros could not pull off.

[@shanecordova6970]

Great first season

[@rationalwatcher7739]

Haha, This video editor just cutting in the middle sentences "F that, that's enough, moving on..." example @ 06:19

[@PtrOBrn]

Alright... so who is doing "Holding Out For a Hero" at the end of the video?

[@NeoTechni]

and make them stop. it was awful

[@Brilchan]

It should and at S1 or continue as a comic book those PDFs comic books were better than the later seasons