What happened to Hololive China ? and where are they now ?

After the Hololive Taiwan incident the entirety of Hololive CN was disbanded, The curiosity got the best of me and i decided to track them down and see what happened to them.
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[@Absolute__Zero]

I honestly miss Yogiri… She had such a beautiful personality as well as a singing voice to match. Had things been different she might’ve had the chance to become the second Suisei of Hololive :/

[@jason-qc5lr]

whats yogiri's current channel?

[@グルイズビオ]

栗卡小行星Rii However, she stop 6 month ago due to... drama someone made AI video of Yogiri and it upset her. she asked it to be taken down but ignored. Now she havent seen anywhere for 6 months :( before that she joined another company and graduated from that girl has very bad luck @@jason-qc5lr

[@arbeed8449]

Chowa...

[@DepressedScholar]

@@arbeed8449what does this mean

[@odakidakida9193]

this dark age of Hololive is main reason why no Holomem could stream CN gacha games like Genshin

[@juampisito]

Yes but it was not Coco or Haachama's fault and hololive would have gotten the same punishment even if CN branch did not exist

[@flamingrubys11]

they can axtually

[@chenchen6150]

Technically it's the CN people that participate the boycott of Kiryu. They goes so far to even make tge goverment involve with the situation through report which also the reason why Cover Corp had to jump the ship from CN market. The talents can play those games but not as hololive persona.

[@Reiswalt]

Because China thinks the world doesn't know about their bullshit. They think we don't know about their slave camps, etc. So whenever "something" makes China look bad their media automatically tries to defuse/stop it. They brainwashed their people and controlled them that's why they implemented the Social Credit system. It's the similar to the Credit Score but Social Credit is much more brutal, basically in credit score you can raise it back up by paying properly in social credit once you're low you're homeless for life coz noone will hire you lmao!

[@Reiswalt]

China runs in Social Credit meaning "How much benefit will you have for the country" they raise it up or down randomly depending on how it affects the country. It's pretty fucking disgusting.

[@soldatjun8763]

ah yes Yogiri the one deserve to stay and probably can grow bigger if she has just the option to do so and she might be switched to the HoloEN since she can actually speak english but by doing so will just attract none stop hate towards her its been 2yrs+ now hope like you say shes happy on what shes doing right now

[@flamingrubys11]

she was part of the problem

[@WyFy-Meltdown]

@@flamingrubys11 From what I've heard, Yogiri was actually harassed by her genmates due to being Taiwanese. Additionally, she was the only one who never participated in the drama (alongside Spade, I think). Hope this clears things up!

[@kono_ryu]

​@VName I heard this from somewhere I do not remember: Apparently, BOTH Yogiri and Spade are Taiwanese

[@aldyzero6676]

@@flamingrubys11 🤓🤡 🤦

[@WyFy-Meltdown]

@@kono_ryu Oh damn, thanks for telling me! Yeah I don't remember where I heard about Yogiri being Tawainese, but I never knew about Spade!

[@darkzangetzu005]

For Dorys from what I heard she basically tried to gaslight her genmates. I dont remember the specifics but I believe she was saying that Artia was playing both sides, Civia was insulting her fans and that Echo had sexual favors with a fan for money. The funny thing everything she said turn out to be her(projecting) and was found out by the chinese fanbase showing proof of how badly she treated her fanbase and later found out she was the one that had a boyfriend she was exploiting. Her career is death for being a backstabber and horrible person. EN does not want her, JP does not want her and CN does not want her and any sort of reincarnation would be met with servere backlash by all the antis she made bc of her toxic behavior As much as Artia fuck up. Doris literally became Judas. For specifics I suggest just ask vt/ or explore warosu with Doris and vtuber as google search

[@fiddlesticks_____]

she can just slap on a voice changer and BAM she's back and nobody will ever know

[@darkzangetzu005]

@@fiddlesticks_____ jp and cn antis are in a whole other league though they are like csi. They see any behavior, any likes or similar hobbies, any gameplay similarities that resembles their past life and they will connect the dots

[@fiddlesticks_____]

@@darkzangetzu005 yeah right that was almost three years ago

[@RickMoren477]

​​@@fiddlesticks_____ou forgot antis can just digs up her personal info, alt account, ect without any problem. Her best bet is to just stop vtubing and social media in general which might not be effective as with enough hate antis can just stalk and harassed her anyway especially if her face is leaked

[@thisisobviouslybait]

@@fiddlesticks_____ welcome to the internet... you clearly posted this on your first day here

[@karactr8361]

The funny part to me is a lot of the Taiwan traffic they were getting were probably Chinese viewers using Taiwan as a VPN hub to avoid Chinese censorship.

[@lcg8220]

I live with a Chinese dude who's super nationalistic and hates hololive, other than that he's an alright guy but I do enjoy pissing him off with my merch lol.

[@annanymousren]

Sounds like a comedy sketch lol

[@albertfrengki]

I can't imagine how you surviving with cancer nationalistic ☠️

[@Noobmaster-uq1wz]

It feels like my neighbor 🤣

[@ramadansteve1715]

Chinese nationalists 🤮 idk how you stand it

[@sarsarr]

KJAKKJ Para cuando la boda XDDDD

[@kaigaikarano]

Yogiri was very unfortunate, she doesnt had any mistake, and do her things online like usual, and get bad luck... twice. i was really love her singing back then. man..

[@tribopower]

The fact that she is Taiwanese, make me believe she suffered the most out of them even before the drama, sad she just couldn't succeed, life has really dealt her so many bad hands.

[@kaigaikarano]

@@tribopower yeah. I dont know how devastating it could be. I hope she still singing and not giving up

[@gidi3250]

​@@tribopower there where mentions in the leaks she was bullied somewhat for being a Buddhist, and mentioned in one of her last streams she wanted to leave the internet and become a monk.

[@kaigaikarano]

@@gidi3250 damn.

[@rezafahlevi9659]

@@kaigaikarano Honestly, it's the best, isolated yourself for one mind and quite life is way much better Sure, it's really soul crushing that she can't get her dream anymore now, but become a monk is the best for her, no more stress endure, no more overwork for your own, no more depression, it's all now for your religion Bittersweet ending for Yogiri, Happy ending for Spade, Neutral ending for Civia and (maybe) Rosalyn, and VERY WORST ENDING for Doris and Artia

[@rlus6758]

Cover giving up CN market in a nutshell: The whole Vtuber community in and out China: asking Cover to leave CN market Cover:* leaves CN market* Everyone:*surprised Pikachu meme*

[@MS-vk9ph]

Most of the community was just good riddance.

[@akira8393]

Hey i mean they actually listened for onced unlike the others at least

[@justawanderingoldman7699]

A lot of the non CN actually rejoiced by it tho

[@rlus6758]

@@justawanderingoldman7699 well they literally did what everyone asked for unless CN is being tsundere which explains the months of bot harassment

[@Casualplayer1306]

Nah its a win-win situation for both the Chinese and Cover, so I don't know if suprised Pikachu meme can be used in this. If I had to say, I think Cover gets a lot more negative influence than Chinese fans. This is because the clip is purely a translation of the streams. I don't see as many memes on KZbin. However I fully support Cover. It's the finest they can do

[@astralklein539]

I remember that one big hololive clipper channel that was actually supporting those Chinese hater. They proudly made a statement about stopping all the clip activity bcs hololive didn't terminate coco's contract. They also said, hololive won't be this big without them (clipper from china/bilibili). That whole Taiwan drama was wild.

[@ZuraJura]

The vids that clowning on them is glorious

[@nietzchan]

Yeah, glad that the community called them out back then. I gladly unsubscribe from their channel. After all they are just translating memes and clips from bilibili and re-publish it on youtube, they don't even own the original IP permission (hololive) nor permission from the bilibili creators to repost it somewhere else.

[@fadhilnugraha195]

Just the channel leader/owner cmiiw. That statement was uploaded by himself without the knowledge of the other members. Ofc they had enough of his shit, and even one of the members leaked all the leader's "sins" to hololive reddit

[@badpeanut1892]

Hololive moment looool They thought theyre the boss demanding contract termination for Coco and Haato some people said the "leader" is actually chinese canadian, glad they fck off

[@CNDD-t3b]

All hololive fans in China do not want hololive back. It is a hopeless platform and should be abandoned forever

[@uneverjack158]

Man I remember when I discovered the Chinese branch. The one out of the few I looked into I liked was Artia Because I liked her model and she was playing OW (which at the time I absolutely in love with). Then literally the next day all of CH graduated. I knew she was often cited as being a bad one but I didn’t know how bad. Thanks for getting all of this info for me

[@zombiemagnate6567]

I find it very amazing that the 2 whose models I found coolest were the exact 2 who didn't contribute to the harassment campaign.

[@Seele2015au]

For what it's worth I have great respect for Kagura Nana.

[@bradwhite5884]

I'm surprised Hololive did not keep them in and let them integrate with the others since they were innocent in all of that, but I guess they have their reasons of not doing that, so who knows tbh

[@Seele2015au]

@@bradwhite5884 There are two reasons for this. First, by keeping CN running but firing the offending members, AKA keeping Yogiri and Spade Echo, would be seen as singling out those who collaborated with the antis to sabotage the company they worked for. This would have to make public the evidence of the misdeeds they committed, but those misdeeds were seen as the right things to do: this would backfire badly. Furthermore, the avatars of all the CN members became tainted by the affair that Cover Corp had to abandon them, and gave them to their respective talents. Imagine if Yogiri and Spade Echo joined JP or EN, that would stir up the hornets nest again.

[@Veristelle-]

​@@Seele2015au All the members except two were asked if they wanted to move to another Hololive Branch, even if they had to pay for them to move (irl), according to Civia after the fact. I was surprised none took up the offer, they just seemed to think it was a bad idea due to the harassment still have been ongoing.

[@Ice-mg5pr]

@@Veristelle- Woah. When did Civia mention this?

[@Jknight416]

Man. This is why I don't like it when politics get mix up with social gathering livestreams. People just gather around just to have a good time, not to have politics bring out the dark side of society. It's just straight up unwelcoming.

[@SWIFTO_SCYTHE]

Thing is Nothing Haachama or Coco did was Political. All they did was show how Google the biggest company ever decides to show what percentage of internet traffic. So why China people not mad at Google?

[@aldyzero6676]

@@SWIFTO_SCYTHE because their government being dumb as usual

[@Star5aII]

@@SWIFTO_SCYTHE Google was banned in china

[@Anon_gone_wild]

When Taiwan’s existence is political

[@flamingrubys11]

@@SWIFTO_SCYTHE because chinese are not very smart

[@Car0_0.]

This issue is the reason why some games I had who have CN dev games dont have Hololive collabs that I was suppose to anticipate

[@Hoeshemadshe-Sussy]

Azur Lane once have a collaboration with Hololive

[@Car0_0.]

@@Hoeshemadshe-Sussy Yeah and I doubt they will do a part 2 now its been years.

[@fajarch2204]

There "was" a chance that Arknights collab with Hololive

[@darwinmorgan6690]

Back when I still play Azur Lane (one of the CN dev games), after the Hololive collab I was expecting something more especially with the likes of new Holo members such as the Holomyth and Gen 5. Then the Taiwan incident happened lol.

[@soapsatellite]

Sucks that Azur Lane and Hololive never got to collab again after this, cuz that collab was my introduction to Hololive and it was easily one of the highlights of my two years of playing Azur Lane. Like there was a lot of talk of the two doing a second collab and it will never come to be cuz of this whole mess

[@ZuraJura]

Has it been that long? Man, I remember not sleeping because there's literally new updates on the drama every 5 minutes When it was over. I feel sad for Yogiri and peace as well knowing Cover cut the biggest liability in that time.

[@strippinheat]

As I understand it, Civia didn't do anything bad. Some stuff was mistakenly attributed to her that was actually Dorys.

[@micryt.]

She watched ultra nationalistic movie with Artia while the whole drama was going on. It's enough to tell me what she thought.

[@セイヤーネオ]

​@@micryt. Are you talking about the Wolf Warrior movie? Come on, it’s just a Chinese movie, and to be honest, being considered an ultranationalist just for watching it is too far-fetched. I even watched the movie with my Chinese classmates in the UK and my political view is completely opposite to communism. Besides, how can you expect a Chinese person not to watch a CCP movie that was tailored to their brainwashed propaganda?

[@legacymse7095]

@@micryt. Wow what a solid piece of evidence, you must be right, she's definitely evil

[@rezafahlevi9659]

@@micryt. Or simple, she's forced to watch

[@albertonishiyama1980]

​@@rezafahlevi9659 since Artia actually harrassed Yogiri, an Taiwanese, to help the hate, I wouldnt put this above her. She would 100% force / trick other girl in this

[@ResidentChef]

I came into Vtubers in Summer of 2021 and super into it with the release of HoloCouncil. So when I learned all about this I was blown away by the whole of it. I also like Rosalyn's design but was sorely disappointed that she was a terrible person.

[@Duplucky5]

I already knew the story of the legendary Kiryu Coco and its tragic destiny but knew very little about the Chinese branch of Hololive. Thanks to this video, I was able to learn a little more about them. Thank you for this research work, so it was really interesting. It is sad to see that innocent people like Yogiri and Spade Echo have had to pay the price because of others. But glad to see that Spade Echo is doing well. I hope Yogiri will be able to bounce back too. Reading the comments, she is a very talented person who deserves to succeed.

[@CNDD-t3b]

I have been watching the development of VTB in bilibili and I can only say that the situation is not very good. bilibili as a video platform is very irresponsible, hololive cn members even if free from the impact of the incident, will be restricted by the platform development.

[@Ivan_RA]

If you weren't there I recommend to investigate more, there's a lot of noise and hate rather than actual proof and Coco's story is more vast than just this

[@CNDD-t3b]

@@Ivan_RA I have experienced all the things you mentioned, and I understand your feelings very much. Now I am very glad that hololive has already separated from cn platform

[@warthunderislife3355]

lol newfag. ur prob here after gura debut, anyway enjoy your ignorance and your cute EN branch

[@darkkira1332]

I'm really glad that spade Echo was able to get back on her feet and find her own success. Out of the CN members, she was the one I watched alot when I got the time. NGL, I feel bad about Yogiri, getting screwed not once but twice in the vtuber world. I wish her luck in the future.

[@jason-qc5lr]

whats spade's current account?

[@darkkira1332]

@@jason-qc5lr she got around hundred thousands of sub on bili bili with a healthy 4-5k live viewers on her stream the last time I checked.

[@jason-qc5lr]

@@darkkira1332 so whats her username

[@fritzkrieg7206]

​@@darkkira1332id like to know too

[@naki5928]

​@@jason-qc5lr 永雏塔菲 in bilibili

[@vgc_ivan8391]

Spade echo, yogiri and ciiva were the ones I did had hope their gonna do well. It just sucks hearing yogiri got screw over twice. But very glad Altria got what she F-ing deserved.

[@Melcor2304]

What happened to altria, interested to know more about this story.

[@akira8393]

​@@Melcor2304 i mean you can thank her for the one that pour oil into the fire and the harrasment fubuki gets till this day

[@Destinum]

@@Melcor2304 It's explained in the video lol.

[@justiron2999]

​@@Destinum Explained in more details I suppose.

[@taiko7126]

@@akira8393 more detail on fubuki harassment

[@gbboomer9813]

Artia the very 1st holo mem to be moderator of the holo subreddit. Man was i so disappointed about this whole event that happened

[@justsomekirbowithoutamusta1852]

It's like with most assholes. You look up to them because of their charisma until you find out that they do some fucked up shit

[@Rogue-Mike]

Bullies *ALWAYS* position themselves in a way to mitigate backlash when going after their target. As a moderator, she had the ability to censor & ban anyone trying to blow the whistle on her antics. Course her mod and her accomplices powers were limited and inevitably backfire.

[@Sumi63787]

@@Rogue-Mike kinda doubt that. She was moderator before anything resembling the Taiwan incident happened and absolutely everything was peaceful between fans back then. Hololive was small back then and I don't even remember her modding any Reddit posts, other than just being a poster girl to welcome new subreddit users.

[@Rogue-Mike]

@@Sumi63787 Just gonna gloss over the fact she was one if not main instigators when the Taiwan incident popped off? Again bullies always position themselves in a way to go after their target with as much plausible deniability as possible to deflect.

[@jackhoward8]

Yeah, at the time Hololive didn't really know what reddit is, before Coco show them how big their community is in the website. Too bad though, now that Hololive involved in the subreddit, it got censored heavily, with criticism got deleted or banned.

[@22515362]

Companies in 2023: find a way to get rid of Chinese market Cover in 2020: first time?

[@wbl_unlimited]

Coco did not say Taiwan. She just showed analytics with that name on it.

[@MICHAELTUMANGDAY]

You know the mainlanders even you just show the word they'll react violently...like boiling water.

[@MrHinatainn]

What you would expect. They are petty. 😂

[@jamesedwardladislazerrudo1378]

​@@MICHAELTUMANGDAY Simple word they are snowflake

[@potatoxgaming9466]

Damn hololive china is a really strong line ups if the drama didnt happen i wonder how far they couldve gone

[@nakoamechi]

Virtuareal.

[@falloutpc147]

I discovered Vtubers when i found Fubuki at the end of 2018 and then Miko. I only watched Hololive JP for a long while until EN came along but I dislike drama so I never watched the CN branch when all this was happening. I knew what was going on so I did my best to support Coco And Haachama. Interesting to get a little info on what happened to the members I knew nothing about.

[@yuurai]

I still miss Civia after nearly 3 years. I want to keep watching her, but Bilibili is confusing as heck.

[@seanlocke2228]

Civia even became the first CN member to make a YT channel. From what I saw of her, I thought she was nice. I also checked out Artia's Twitch channel and thought she was cool. I even saw their last stream discussing why they were leaving, their thoughts and that they were told they were allowed to keep their models. But then Artia started posting those tweets and I lost interest immediately. Yeah, good riddance.

[@johnwhitters3234]

What did she post?

[@Cashtoria]

Thanks for the nice video! I really didn’t know about the whole drama in detail. It’s really annoying and sad when politics comes into anything. I wish something like that never happens again

[@durandus676]

I don’t know why people were surprised there were party plants on HLCN. I had a CN hobby buddy’s wedding get turned into a propaganda shoot. This stuff is wild

[@soapsatellite]

How does that even get decided on, let alone happen?

[@Vikkibro90]

only thing in the video i want to comment on is how you on the start mentioned coco's graduation right after the taiwan incident as if it happened right after. coco graduated many months after the stuff in 2020 and she herself said that the main reason for her graduating was that she felt like she could not do everything she wanted to do in hololive. i am not saying the harrassment from the chinese was not a factor but it does not seem to be the main factor, even the chinese was surprised that she suddenly wanted to graduate.

[@aglis_]

Huh... didn't know that, reminds me of Pikamee's graduation as well. With people directly attributing it to her being bullied despite it being implied she had planned it before hand. Internet is really a source of misinformation. Edit: Also I decided I really dislike this video's tone. Seems like it is trying to stir up shit.

[@StrikeNoir105E]

Indeed, people forget that the gap between when the Taiwan incident occurred and when she graduated was almost 9 months. She wasn't harassed into graduation, unlike say Aloe.

[@joshwillingham4592]

While that's true, the harassment was a consistent thing for pretty well the entirety of that nine months. As far as the Pika situation, all you had to do was watch the streams of her friends. Didn't say it directly, didn't have to. She may have been thinking about retiring soon anyway but the harassment sure as hell sped up the timeline.

[@amvhate]

She did say she felt limited in what she wanted to do in hololive, but that could also contributed in cover having to restrict what hololive and coco what to say not say after the incident. Yagoo cried saying how he coundn't protect her. Also In coco new persona she had mention that she doesn't collab with former hololive because,she dosen't want them to get attack by chinese fans of hololive in what she said as coco. Wanting to graduate becuase of hololive was so restrict wasn't the only reason, Leaving becuase taiwan incident was certain with informaction that was given to the public was major tiping point for her leaving.

[@Melcor2304]

@@joshwillingham4592 I remember the harassment. It never stopped. It can be quite draining especially since the harassment spread to other members, who were forced to block their chats to prevent spam, I believed it played a part, must have made her feel guilty for implicating everybody.

[@zanderjuga]

Hhh opening an old scar... Im surprised you able to get all those information, Good Job

[@adamlopez2275]

After HoloCN disbanded, I was pure cope. I hadn't watched much of them prior, but I enjoyed a lot of Artia's clips and was in her fan discord. Then Civia's graduation was one of the saddest I've seen. I didn't keep up with Civia's next live (or any of the other former HoloCN talents) because navigating bilibili is awful, but I watched Hecatia occasionally when she streamed in english on twitch. She never really talked about the past much on them, so it'd seemed like she'd just moved on. I didn't realize why she stopped streaming as Hecatia either. On one hand that's kinda sad, but also like karma. I really like Hecatia's model, though. Huge KAFU energy with the hair and ornaments, and her dress was really cute and paid homage to her past life which was cool

[@KnightOfEternity13]

I heard Tia is a CEO of vtuber agency now

[@adamlopez2275]

@@KnightOfEternity13 really? Good for her then, I guess

[@hmwpyro18]

6:29 Can I ask what that channel is? Yogiri was my favourite out of the bunch, and if she’s still streaming, I want to support

[@num6222]

HoloCN was such a loss.. talents ruined by their own people.

[@pedrofreitas4262]

Most of them joined the antis.

[@cn8299]

How was it a loss? They were in the China market and even then they had a pitiful amount of subs and live viewers. HL was nothing until the EN branch came and opened them up to the rest of the world. The CN branch was a malignant cancer that should have been cut sooner.

[@zyxaqc]

I somehow never heard about the drama with Artia.

[@PO-xk3qd]

Tbh everyone that either know or not try to avoid this topic. While there are pretty sus moment from tweets, not much can be tell. So the Chris treatment

[@viniciussantossilva6034]

Because anyone talking about it was labeled a "conspiracy theorist" by the V-Tuber "fans" that can't accept criticism (that mindset was very strong back in the day)

[@nech1534]

Yeah can confirm the simps were and are still hiding the info to this day, just as an example they took down Artia's incriminatory videos at some point after the all the drama ended.

[@thenuclearoption3565]

​@@viniciussantossilva6034 Yeah I rememeber Hero Hei making a video called "Will Arita betray Hololive?" showcasing Arita's weird tweets she was making when the controversy was going on and everyone blasted him for it only to be discovered that Arita did betray Hololive and controbute to the harassment.

[@freecomkcf]

@@viniciussantossilva6034 i remember those days. i'm a nobody on the internet but got a little hate from the hololive subreddit for having sympathy for Artia because she's just doing what her government brainwashed her to do. people who don't want anything other than bread and circuses in their lives like using hate as a response.

[@benja9029]

thankfully holo pro chose coco and severed ties with those cancer. It would have been awful if holopro were to bend the knee and cater to the needs of those psychopaths

[@GoyBenius_0901]

Don't call them all evil Spade Echo and Yogiri did nothing wrong, infact they're literally Taiwanese themselves and it's known that Yogiri was bullied by the mainland members for being Taiwanese and a practicing Budhist.

[@nerovermillion2487]

Im glad civia and yogiri are doing good since i liked their content. Even though i didnt see much echo i glad shes doing good i found her funny

[@グルイズビオ]

yogiri isnt doing good :(

[@jackxonlee8193]

​​@@グルイズビオhow bad?

[@najiv8797]

Man.. I just glad Civia is doing okay.. I miss her angelic voice so much.

[@naaanaaanaaa8709]

Is Civia the one who likes Aqua?

[@konaccha]

@@naaanaaanaaa8709 yeah she big aqua fan. I followed her and spade the most, miss both of them

[@kaungsi5613]

@@naaanaaanaaa8709 yea. She even abruptly ends her own stream once because Aqua had a guerilla stream

[@najiv8797]

@☄️センス☄️ "I thought she was wholesome at first but she was blablabla...." Damn bro.. ppl dont even have valid evidence and assume like that then spread the hates.. such a cruel merciless world we live in. How could you say you were any different than those chinese antis? You just dont share any memories with her, or simply you just Hater from the other side. Bet you didnt even on her grad stream dont you? Thats explain everything.

[@iandavidvillaloboswong5180]

​@☄️センス☄️ I dont blame chinese girls for taking the side of China in any drama. She seemed nice so I hope shes happy

[@Voldrim359]

They are still attacking Hololive or they are attacking kson? May be both. But, as all bullies, they are petty

[@stagnantwater3775]

yeah they are still attacking coco and its hilarious

[@Voldrim359]

@@stagnantwater3775 it's not like their social credit will go up for that... Still, the most pettiest people on China

[@melwyn789]

​@@Voldrim359 i know that these bullies are shitty people and the whole situation is a unfortunate hot mess but the whole social credit propaganda by countries that doesn't like china really works on dehumanizing Chinese people nowadays. Like if every other country citizens do bad things they got mocked or shunned, normal reaction to bad people (not all the times) but when it's Chinese there's many extra thing people will add, people will bring up everything about them the streotypes, the mockery, and many false thing about them. In short the social credit thing doesn't even exist but it's one of the first thing that comes to the masses mind when talking about China and it's people wether it is positive or negative.

[@s2-railgun718]

both

[@LeCh1mp]

More of like their social credit will go down as they are visiting a restricted website (youtube)

[@DaisukethestarX]

Ah yes. WWI of vtubers. We lost so much

[@codesnappy]

WW2 when.

[@aga376]

​@@codesnappyRight now. Cause: Pikamee for just wanting to play a wizard game, now graduating. Currently happening: Twitter attacking Kobo and other HL members for the same reason. A lot of Vtubers are being called out for it, and cautious. It's the "Red Scare" right now.

[@darkzangetzu005]

@@codesnappy literally rn. Only instead of CCP nationalist its western twitter activist. We already lost Pikamee. So we fighting rn for any vtuber thats being treated the same.If you wanna support just tell twitter freaks its just a game or watch and support these oshis: Pikamee while she still here, Silvervale, Pippa and phase Connect, Shondo aka Fallenshadow or Kobo ​Superchats, memberships, and donos are appreciated but not mandatory

[@codesnappy]

Damn.

[@xatariumjanuary6203]

IF they not inciting or didn't involved with Politic, i would imagine Kobo interact with them.

[@vlander1992able]

I remember when they debutted I was so excited for a CN branch then everything imploded and everybody's chat started to get flooded by Anti's and bots. by the end of it, I was just glad they axed the branch after everything got settled and everybody figured out what was going on.

[@starr555]

I like Civia on the little bits and bobs i managed to catch from her streams. good to finally know she's doing well on her own. even though i'll never find her since i don't use bilibili.

[@questioncat2422]

Самое худшее последствие "тайваньского" скандала не только роспуск китайского отдела, что на мой взгляд огромная потеря для витуберской сцены. Хололайв для Китая стал компанией нон грата, если можно так сказать, теперь никаких разрешений на стримы китайских игр, никаких коллабораций типа тех что были с Muse dash и Azur lane.

[@idealicfool]

Azure lane and other gacha games not giving access, but imho HL is all the better for it. Look at how big HL is next to NijiiSanji. Niji now still is absolutely dependant on CN money. They would literally collapse without it. As such, they are restricted in who they can collab with (kson being the most prominent example) and have to pander to CN HL in their pivot to the west ha e done amazingly from it. But a good deal of their revenue is still from domestic advertising. They aren't beholden to western viewers for their money. And while many of their talents are making efforts to learn English, it is more a thing of these people from around the world are giving me their time to appreciate my content, so I should reply in kind by trying to understand and communicate with them as well.

[@odakidakida9193]

​@@idealicfoolexactly why Holo Niji collab is not as easy like it was used to... many crave for the EN collabs but that's not as easy as they think, not to mention, not all HoloEN is as open as Kiara about it

[@idealicfool]

@Odakidakida pretty sure holo EN would be much more open to it than niji EN. I mean considering like I said that they are so dependent on revenue from there. In fact I think most of EN would be down for it. Especially Bae, Calli, Kronii and Ame.

[@NotAGoodUsername360]

My favorite Chinese VTuber is Dokibird 😎

[@paradoxicalnexus7246]

It sucks because I only found Yogiri when she was graduating

[@akira8393]

same

[@not4ne141]

The members remind me of those wuxia chinese shows where the court ladies backstab each other just to get a chance to gain favor with the emperor 😅

[@ThadDePadua9928]

This is just saddening; I wish Yogiri and Spade Echo would return. Not sure how I feel about Civia. This sucks man. ;-;

[@unpopularweeb8535]

I like your Slavic accent. And thanks for the information.

[@rezorus8832]

I seem to remember hololive posted two statements about the Taiwan thing. One disparaging the harrassment, and one supporting the one china policy. I never could figure out how much of any of this is true. I've seen it being facts and it being rumors. Meaning its probably somewhere in the middle. It was a crazy time

[@HudaefCares]

That one's actually true. It was the shxttiest thing that Cover tried to pull at the time. The "disparaging the harassment" was the English statement, and the "supporting One China Policy" was the Chinese statement. Do note however that Cover owned up to it, as they apologized and Yagoo took a pay cut.

[@luka188]

Cover backpeddled real quick because the western audience went ballistic over it. The subreddit was flooded with stuff like yagoo bowing down to whinny the pooh, and outrage was unstoppable. Cover quickly learned at that moment that they had to make a choice, either you stick with the chinese and lose your entire western market (This was before HoloEN had debued btw), or completely leave china behind and stick with the Western audience as well as global possibilities for expansion (EN branch). They learned the hard way that you cannot have both, because china will not play ball like that, and the western audience is done with corporations bowing down to the chinese like a bunch of dogs. They faced a difficult decision, as they had made significant investments into a chinese market, and were still very new to the larger international market, however they made the right decision to cut out the tumor that is the CCP before it was too late and instead focus on the broader global horizon.

[@isoprops3861]

​@@HudaefCares Yeah, I remember when they posted the English statement in the official sub and that getting mass-downvoted by everyone. Boy, the sub during the first week of the Taiwan incident was on fire, I'll tell 'ya that.

[@jesuscornstorm737]

Yeah they got so much sht for that that they immediately backed out of it.

[@jesuscornstorm737]

​@@HudaefCares Cover corps shouldve taken the pay cut cuz it was their own fk up.

[@fmaaru571]

Civia KZbin graduation made me cry like little girl because she wanted to keep streaming so much😭

[@hyuka9544]

Civia was also my most favorite holoCN member 😢

[@Shiroya_Rumika]

Yogiri and Spade Echo are innocent, they were unfortunately caught in a crossfire because the branch their in Not only that, they are Taiwanese as well and Civia frequently bully Yogiri a lot because of her accent

[@LunarEdge7]

Missing info Civia's reincarnation name is Ciyana, IIRC. I rarely watch her because my Chinese sucks (as an Asian, Kek) but the few times I do hear her voice, she seems well, if not better. I still lost track of Rosalyn's new name.

[@pancakedeluxe2681]

Dude reminds me of depressed nousagi

[@topazokenni4869]

Hmmm

[@Inquisitor.N_corp]

Ohh sh

[@Perrcell]

I mean this is same made up video depressed rabbit made.

[@Otherface]

Maybe he can be his successor?

[@dwight7124]

Man, I really miss Spade Echo

[@alexfan3279]

she streams ds3 on youtube now

[@mmm1035]

Gotta say the rosalyn one has a beautiful model loved her unique design.

[@KapKrumpp]

Thanks for covering this, you really should have got more subs, really great quality production.

[@tribopower]

One thing that I tell most people to be aware, is that streamers/content creators show their best personas online, if they can't even do that properly (Artia for example) then in real life it just means they are even worse, so when Artia was backstabbing like that I wasn't even surprised, she was already saying some fked up stuff even before, Cynthia on the other hand was a huge disapointement

[@gurugurumawaru7869]

That’s debatable. If someone’s roleplaying a villain, then they won’t necessarily be “role model” aren’t they?

[@indragunawan6557]

Sorry, but what happened to Artia afterwards really put smile in my face.

[@TheMiracleMatter]

That greentext was hilarious 😂

[@AnimaRandom]

Same, i hated her for what she done Its actually the only time 4chan and reddit agreed That artia is a massive bitch

[@superitgel1]

Thank you. Nice update and research on the topic.

[@bekasibego]

There is still a single trace of HoloCN in one of Moona's vods

[@Christina-ef2vb]

WTF??!!! I remember when Kson got graduated, but I did not know there was a Chinese branch! Thats crazy. I hope those 3 has an amazing life and great success. Thats really messed up.. :/

[@tiro_taiwan]

2 members in CN have Taiwanese nationality, which makes them also get harassed.

[@LLj-y8e]

Я нихуя не понял, кто кого преследует?

[@sarsarr]

@@LLj-y8e 2 chicas, Yogiri que es China pero es originaria de Taiwan también, y Spade echo que sí es de Taiwan Las dos 2 se mantuvieron calladas, pero una de las chicas que sí proviene de China 100% empezo a tirarles hate a las 2 por tener relación a Taiwan

[@aria8157]

I was there, spade echo... it still hurts.

[@dirzz]

“Nationalism is an infantile thing. It is the measles of mankind.” - Albert Einstein

[@legacymse7095]

It is a strong value, like family or religion. It has good sides and bad sides but if you try to remove them and offer nothing in return, people will make up something, ANYTHING. Why do you think people create a new gender or sexuality every week and why it only happens in the west? This is just one example. Einstein isn't wrong, but even he couldn't foretell how much our world and technology would change. We've evolved so much... that people can't answer the question "what is a woman?" The old values aren't perfect, they're still causing so much pain even today. But between that and the deconstruction of civilization? Idk

[@roguenoise2718]

These CN branch is dead and scrapped, no one would remember them anymore

[@Demonologist013]

If this is who I think this is I hope they don't repeat their past mistakes

[@nightangel104]

Sad Nousagi speaks with a filipino accent tho. This aint him

[@xinhuiooi2569]

The COVER company still has their big Chinese investors, and the company recently went public. Worst case scenario could result in Chinese coming into the company and doing something with the money.

[@cahyaaja1434]

​@@xinhuiooi2569don't worry dude, cover open for investor but not being public like anycolor, they can select their investor with same vision like them, of course it's mean not Chinese investor.

[@PedroSilva-ik8mv]

Not for Artia, she's a true chinese nacionalist, don't know about Civia and Echo though but Cover is a really hypocrite and money based company, if chinese investors pressure them to make a new CN brand they will definatly do it with different girls.

[@Ivan_RA]

different voice and accents, also Nousagi said that he wanted to post a final video

[@tsuaririndoku]

Lesson for this story. Karma is clearly Real.

[@deos963]

Gracias por la actualización, he buscado sus canales nuevos o que paso y no he encontrado nada, es triste cuando un sueño termina y mas si no tuviste nada que ver.

[@RZ-yk2se]

I know artia tried to do nft and make her own vtuber agency on her twitter but found very little success Funny thing tho her own mods and chinese fans shared her irl face on twitter and made fun of her for being “an ugly leftover rotting swine”

[@sonofsueraf]

Looks like Hecatia's relatively back in the game as some producer or something

[@Miaw907]

4:17 don't harass any members. THE NEXT MEMBER ON OUR CHOPPING BLOCK IS-

[@lhanas6624]

So Civia is fine and active on Bilibili until now? That's good, I'm glad she's okay!

[@GoyBenius_0901]

Spade and Yogiri deserve a second chance man they did literally nothing wrong.

[@AndersHass]

People who don't know Coco and Kson are confused lol

[@HuskyKyurem]

I still don't understand the taiwan thing. Isn't it supposed to be youtube's fault for listing taiwan? Not the girls?

[@prajnadeva]

That's the mind of everyone except mainland china, yes.

[@whisperviz1346]

In normal person perspective, yes. but the mainland chinese has been brainwashed so hard since they were kids so really hard to blame them either.

[@daodolong]

Cover even allowed them to keep their models . But they screwed up so bad that the decision got reversed .

[@TheRealVordox]

No, their managers said they could, but without Cover giving any info or input to that being true.

[@daodolong]

@@TheRealVordox Yes i was generalizing because i didn't remember exactly who said it .

[@HashiriyaR32]

​@@TheRealVordox It was Artia that claimed that their managers told her they could, and given what was revealed about her, this was seen as a move to wrest control of something she didn't actually own.

[@indigo1296]

Now Hololive is making moves on Bilibili again... As the old saying goes: "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

[@goukenslay7555]

im glad yogiri got a chance to reincarnate

[@raylyz]

It’s not they say the word Taiwan is because they refer Taiwan as a country in that context.

[@eztranslation]

Типичные китайские националисты

[@blackwingz55]

Whats Yogiri original channel?

[@maxiarg7412]

Not sure if i am anyone to be saying this because i am here watching the video but "I don't encourage it but i think its someting good" is such a shit thing to say, its like saying "Would be happy if someone did it but if it happens i have nothing to do with it" yes, it is a way of encouraging that kind of thing even if it was not the intention. To be clear i don't know enough about the situation to defend or criticize anyone, i just think that no matter the reason harassment(actions with the intent to cause distress or harm) is a shit thing to do. Once more, not trying to justify anyone, i just think that attacking someone for the sole reason of watching them in pain is not something to be happy about.

[@YohaneTheNesoberi]

Thanks Dimitri very cool 😎

[@suffer3828]

It's sad that people having fun on the internet can be ruined by politics

[@pabloromanlopezmaceda9054]

0:53 Based on this fan art can we suppose that kanata changed of school while Coco graduated and passed to uni or higer ?

[@akira8393]

not really, it supposed to show that coco graduated, and while everyone is crying, you can tell kanata had most affected

[@pabloromanlopezmaceda9054]

@@akira8393 i was talking about history Irl and based on the drawning or viceversa

[@masterbaiter3807]

They could've just stay away from the drama, but of course they want those extra credits from winnie the pooh

[@jason-qc5lr]

so THATS why Gura's Bili account has nothing on it

[@firstnamelastname8006]

Can we have links to the last two?

[@70galaxie]

"bilibili"is a cccp controlled in nation closed community

[@ivrgn1720]

Are you someone who I think you are? If yes, I hope you found success and not starting some trouble again, I will sub.

[@Rocket_Skates]

Artia is/was a bad person but I didn’t think she was ugly.

[@matijota8728]

The ultimate irony: Gaining strong "loyal" fans because of very controversial political bs to adquire permanent fidelity and love, but then they turn your back and even mocking you because entirely of something so little and trivial of your looks. I cannot help myself but laugh to the dead about all of this, it is rightfully deserved for someone who tried to rise her name at the cost of other people's career, even genmates and friends, for worthless unknown people who likes to conditionate loyalty

[@reignoffoxes]

the hololive lore is so deep I'm spechless

[@HashiriyaR32]

You put Civia in the thumbnail but forgot to show the evidence implicating her in this drama. She was caught being in communication with one of the big-name antis on NGA. Also, it does sound like you cribbed details from Depressed Nousagi's video on the Taiwan incident, so please go back and check his pinned comoment. Yogiri and Spade are NOT from Taiwan. DP admitted he made a mistake in his research.

[@blastoice9281]

As a chinese person, it really sucks that anything related to my ethnicity is always Ls

[@bigalmou2261]

China actually has a very fascinating history, but they mald over the littlest things, so I guess you take your wins and your losses. Gunpowder was apparently invented by Chinese inventors trying to figure out how to be immortal. That's pretty cool, in my opinion.

[@blastoice9281]

@@bigalmou2261 True, I think I should say we got L + Ratio'd and fell off instead.

[@badpeanut1892]

Japan should go harder to nanking moment

[@blastoice9281]

@@badpeanut1892 hey war bad

[@totalguardian1436]

​@@badpeanut1892 Dude, wtf go outside

[@firstnamelastname8006]

China: There is no Taiwan in Bo Sing Se

[@SoniXperias]

Hecatiaz / Artia is back. Rip

[@grimbruce154]

ah yes chinese comunity trigger after i say taiwan is a country lmao

[@lordraydin1324]

To be honest i feel bad for all , FYI I'm not taking side with anyone but let's look at the picture from a far away so China who can recruit a whole army of cyber attack to harassing and spamming and they order their company to cut tied with hololife and no one can think the government did blackmail Artai or threatening her family and since you mentioned her family went bankrupt that raises some question too and the second thing is that makes me think there is something deeper than that we never heard her side of the story and probably never will because the government won't let her and after i saw this video i went and looked for her picture she is not ugly at all I guess people call her that to take some sort of revenge... you guys never know what happens behind closed doors and you can't imagine the situation the other person was in at the time so don't judge, i will give you an example Daive chappelle they bury him and they called him all sorts of names and striped him from everything when he walked away from the 50 million deal and he couldn't speak or explain why until like 10 or 15 years later then he spoke the reason and that in the us or what they call a free country.... in the end i wish the best for all and i hope everyone is making a decent living ❤❤❤

[@bv-im1fg]

Whats echo's reincarnated username on bilibili?

[@jason-qc5lr]

what is spade's channel called?