What happened to Jiaoqiu and why he's still good ft v5 l Honkai: Star Rail

[@yun3_]

I made a big mistake when calculating his LC damage increase. For any numbers that used the Jiaoqiu's signature LC in the chart, just add an additional 14% dmg. I was calculating using my memory on the v2 lc which they changed the descption in v3. sry and thanks to @arochi3985 for pointing this out

[@Argenta_Rosa]

I personally was simply disappointed that his healing utility was removed. it's what made him so unique as a character, not to mention how his drip marketing focused entirely on his healing. While i still really want to pull him, i can not help, but be disappointed at what we will be missing. He could've worked really well with pseudo sustain units by providing minor healing for any damage that couldn't be interrupted. His healing didn't have to be amazing, but it should have been there.

[@yun3_]

Valid and i felt the same way. I was preparing for him a few months back bc I really wanted to try psuedo 0 sustain for some of my teams. And this def would've made him unique, but imo, he's still unique, albiet a bit less, with his main draw now being his consistent uptime

[@RexnanoX]

I don't think so he never had healing in his kit, the disappointment for this is peoples own fault, it's a difference if his V1 had healing and they removed his kit never had healing in the first place it was only applied that his kit would have healing based off his character bio for story and not actual gameplay being upset about something that never really existed is kind of stupid. Don't make expectations for any unit until at least there first live beta kit is actually out in V1 at the point your free to make a verdict on them till future changes happen through the beta

[@lazarperic4525]

​@@RexnanoX wait, so he actually NEVER had healing and it was a community headcanon? 😂

[@MugWitch]

@@lazarperic4525I mean I do not know definitively bc I’m just diving into the beta tests rn, BUT I do remember his whole drip marketing text talked about cooking and healing

[@emirerdinc2822]

@@lazarperic4525 it was a lucid dream based on leaks by the time he hit the beta his healing was already removed but it was there in development

[@renflare2570]

2:46 i think the main gripe here is that JQ wont be able to give acheron Infinite Ult stacks Which i find unfortunate

[@yun3_]

The way i see it is that it must be done as to prevent extreme levels powercreep happening in the game. I’ll talk about PF rq. when enemies in PF spawn and attack, there’s 4-5 enemies going at once, this would’ve meant that she got 4-5 stacks. and if enemies just kept spawning, the amount of stacks acheron would get would be ridiculous. image the Dot enemy action advance buff and acheron would just keep keep getting half her stacks everytime there was a new wave. she wouldve been the best PF character and further more the best in all other content, as if she wasn’t already. So if acheron 8: tiers above her competitors, the only way hoyo could make new units stand out is by making beyond op characters near acheron levels of power, making every old unit irrelevant, which i dont want.

[@renflare2570]

@@yun3_ i see,I could see your point and it does has some logic into it,Its just that I want to see if JQ does give something Unique to the table to Warrant a pull(I will still roll for him But I just want to be sure and I wont regret it) Like If hes able to be the best Nihility unit for acheron

[@julioakamine]

@@yun3_ that was the reason i was so excited for him... hopefully it will still be possible to bruteforce PF with her + jiaoqiu. Cuz as it stands, I can't manage to get 30k points with this team. I can get with other teams tho, but with so much more work

[@yun3_]

I will say his main draw and uniqueness comes from his permanent debuff uptime and espeically multi wave/spawning content which none of the current nihility characters can do rn

[@yun3_]

He def will make ur life easier in pure fiction with everyone actually having debuffs which don't disappear even after the enemies dies. Idk, what acheron comp ur currently using in pf, but the people i've seen get 40kpt are generally using sustainless and blackswan pela, or blackswan kafka.

[@SigeVV]

So to summarize he is a big upgrade for acheron in pure fiction but a minimal upgrade everywhere else, thats pretty sad not gonna lie

[@yun3_]

kinda. again, compared to our harmony units, he is lacking just a little bit. But he is the best nihility debuffer by quite a bit. So as such, the question would go why use a nilhilty over harmony which I went over in the video. And being a minimual upgrade or just a sidegrade to some of the best units isnt bad at all 👍

[@kev1834]

"just a little bit" pepelaugh

[@kitsuchii6809]

Current strongest posdible team is manual jq robin qbq galagher with e0s0 acheron 0cycling both moc sides 😂

[@yun3_]

@@kitsuchii6809 the gallagher + robin combo is dummy strong. anyone that pulls it off goes ham

[@SigeVV]

@@kitsuchii6809 that was just some doom posting now that he is getting close im definitely gonna pull for him, but if i lose the 50 50 im going to save it for ligsha or whatever

[@richardariate3036]

I'm still sad that they removed the small healing in his kit

[@Zexionlope]

Well the leaker says his healing not even enough for team so that why they remove that part

[@Im_SSJay]

@@Zexionlope thats not a reason to remove it..?

[@anduong8796]

@@Im_SSJaytrue a little for comfort would have been nice

[@deltaspecies1697]

11:25 no,not really. Pela can 2t ult easily with tutorial lc which makes her have pretty much perma uptime on the shred. Plus, ur forgetting Acherons dmg outside of her ult is extremely low which means not having the def shred when acheron is not ulting is not a big deal. The reason why people are upset is cuz he is only good in 2 teams(as of rn) and even in those teams he is barely an upgrade over the other options. He is a good upgrade over Guinaifen in PF but thats it. Also, even post JQ, Acherons best PF team will most likely be DoT. The vid overall sounds like a bit cope ngl

[@arkabarma3286]

what he's referring to is ur debuffs on new spawns ir 2nd phases. he didnt word it well but this is that he means by lack of uptime. u eiter gotta hold ulti and hope they die b4 ur debuffs go away or hope to get it up soon as we get 2nd phase or new wave

[@yun3_]

I don't believe you should be using Tutorial LC on Pela unless you got sw/ def shred/resolution and even then, honestly u should still use resolution. This would be due to 3 reasons. 1. You will be losing out on 16% def shred which is important, mind you that these calcs were done with resolution, which if not that, would push the gap much wider between the two. 2. after everything dies in ex. pf just a new wave spawns, without another def shreder, bc there is no def shred on the enemies to proc tutorial. and 3. she no longer gains acheron stacks on basic via resolution. in modes like PF, the buffs lasting the entire time is important as to let acheron's skill also kill more to have a new set of enemies to spawn for more points in regards to good, he is very versatile and can be slotted in many teams where he can still perform well, such as duo dps teams as a replacement for robin, characters with very high stats like jl. he is a massive upgrade over gui in pf bc again, uptime on buffs which gui cannot do well in multiwave content. Acheron's best team in PF will most likely be JQ and Blackswan where both will give Acheron stacks, with jq's ult, and arcana affecting new enemies that spawn.

[@RexnanoX]

you should never use tutorial on pela in acheron team special you'll end up being SP negative also you have to use skill and ult for acheron stacks and you can use basic

[@apotatowithnorights]

Who uses tutorial lc on pela?..

[@kitsuchii6809]

​@@RexnanoXwell auto pela uses skill 90% of time anyway 😂😂😂

[@Shay_D_Mann]

This is not the time to give Hoyo a pat on the back after what they did to JQ.

[@yun3_]

This video was made to try to look at how Jiaoqiu was actually impacted and not patting hoyo in the back. Though he wont be meta defining, he won't be anywhere as bad as the doomposters(new.reddit.com/r/JiaoqiuMainsHSR/) are saying.

[@Shay_D_Mann]

@@yun3_ I'm certain many people who aren't happy with JQ's nerfs weren't happy not because he won't be "meta-defining" but rather because he's not much better than Pela. And however much better he is than Pela, is certainly not worth the pulls for sure. Sure he's better than Pela in PF but tbh, Acheron is plenty powerful as is to get at least a 30k-ish clear on one side in Lighting PF stages with or without JQ. Point is, people aren't gonna burn jades for a pathetic excuse of a limited 5 star character because he definitely doesn't have the value of a limited 5 star support - no one should. And this really isn't the time to promote such a character to players, especially when Pela exists.

[@KirigayaHayato]

@@Shay_D_Mann I agree with you about the fact that he is underwhelming but the problem is simple. The people that are doing doomposting just can't give strong arguments USING ACTUAL NUMBERS INSTEAD OF VIBES.

[@Shay_D_Mann]

@@KirigayaHayato You said it yourself. The fact that he's underwhelming is enough to justify the doomposting that happening right now. That consensus came from the fact that he's not much better than Pela - and that's all people really needed to know. So the doomposting was definitely justified. Especially because I don't think anyone in their right mind (outside of character preference, aesthetics and whatnot) would spend 80 pulls or more on an "underwhelming" piece of trash. Especially not when Huohuo and Black Swan are on the same update. Kafka + her skin is on the next few updates after 2.4 too.

[@yun3_]

⁠​⁠@@Shay_D_Mann 10:58 ​​⁠​⁠ill make a video more in depth video soon on why he’s not just slightly better than pela, even outside of pure fiction

[@earthliving6558]

thank you for a voice of sanity, i completely agree with all of your points (especially the turn 1 ult point, which i got downvoted for), and i have been telling my friends over the past 2 weeks that he's still more than fine. will def be pulling for him for mr. ratio and acheron when she returns

[@yun3_]

gud luck when he comes out:)

[@w.d.maxwell6817]

JQ kit is fine to me but, the way hoyo made it was not fine. The could made him very weak and buff him slowly to v5 now then no one bat an eye. Everyone will be happy with his current kit

[@yun3_]

yep ur absolutely right. I will say that this is what the beta testers are for as to find if they were made too strong or weak. Im pretty sure hoyo only really finds out after the fact due to the data they collect from these testers. 👍

[@w.d.maxwell6817]

@@yun3_ True. But i really hate the way the community react to any beta test data. If hoyo buff any character, every one happy without seeing the whole kit and how it works. But the moment they nerf st everybody go nut and doomposting.

[@yun3_]

100% agree, ppl just hear nerf and think it’s gg without actually looking into it

[@michaelalexander2971]

People are mad because they created a character that is subpar period. it’s worse knowing that he had the potential to be good and they made him not good. Bottom line why people are mad is that the character does not provide enough value for the cost. The leaks again just pours salt in the wound.

[@shiirashinkai1]

hoyo is sh1t they mostly make male char so dirty. i hate the fact they nerf him many times but make a buff for yunli.

[@yun3_]

i will say the all the past male characters have been Really good. boothill, gallagher, ratio, and especially aventurine, etc. though he did get nerfed, when looking at the changes from a more wholistic point of view, he is still perfectly fine 👍

[@runex4438]

Bro sorry but I can't agree with you. His damage is bad he's now not even that great with acheron he's a side grade to Ruan Mei in dot. He's nothing

[@yun3_]

in regards to personal damage, his damage was never going to be high as he needed to build high ehr(180) and spd, leaving little room for crit at all. His damage amp is not insane but his uptime is great. He'll be something :)

[@jessedaniels4494]

@@yun3_lol not anymore it’s not. His uptime got wrecked

[@yun3_]

@@jessedaniels4494 his uptime isn't directly tied to the ult besides the initial time, but rather the major trace seared scent and his talent . After you get the max stacks, you just need to basic or skill to keep up that up time up permanently

[@runex4438]

@@yun3_ the issue is the damage Amp. In a game that just went through a significant power scaling we can't have a brand new Fivestar that's barely 10% better than a day 1 fourstar (pela). He needed to actually be better to keep up with power creep

[@sivinkxavier1106]

​@@runex4438He is a debuffer and you complaining about dmg 😂😂🤣just go get a dps jaoqiu is not for you

[@ZaiMaiMai]

Jiaoqiu is still good because you cant consistently apply debuffs per wave if you use pela/guinafen theres a downtime unlike Jiaoqiu if you use his ultimate you can consistently apply Ashen Roast without worrying the debuff may run out after the enemies turn.

[@yun3_]

yep exactly right. And many people just keep ignoring this and just looking at the "in theory numbers"

[@genesis3mallari753]

it will run out stacks unlike before, max 6 instances only after the update. will reset after Jiaqiou Ult again. so the 7th action of enemy unit will no longer apply debuff

[@yun3_]

@@genesis3mallari753 this is true but i believe Zai there was talking about the vulnerability debuff which should be up the entire time

[@jopetdevera]

​@@genesis3mallari753 Yeah but you don't feel it that much on MoC. It's more of a PF scenario and having that with Acheron assuming no limit is just unfair. Plus with Solitary S5 and ER rope in PF, you can continuously have the ult on him.

[@diegolopezportillo5689]

ur talking about doomposting but ppl are complaining bc the anounce of the new smoothie had a lot of decorations and whipped cream etc but once u got inside, the smoothie was just like the past smoothies and doesnt bring any new flavours to the table (keeping the flavour for a while longer in your mouth isnt a new flavour and there were already some that could do it guaranteed like ruan mei while already having better defensive capabilities than him) all we r asking is for a unit that feels actually strong, not just usable, like every other that has been releasing for the past months (many months bc ruan mei is already past her 1st rerun) and he was nice prior to v5 but they just crossed a line at that point, bc no, infinite debuff applying is not broken as you can already do it with trend lighcone (a 4* lighcone being better than him at his role is laughable)

[@yun3_]

I understand how a doctor who can't heal is a disappointment. ;-; ruan mei really is just that strong, but i dont believe it should detract from Jiaoqiu In regards to his v5 ult, this 6 stack should not matter too much, using kzbin.info/www/bejne/nKu5eIOZlqufrKM&ab_channel=Aorus, i counted how much stacks he would've given acheron pre/post nerf, which totaled to something like 28/25. not bad at all

[@meso3564]

Still a slight improvement if compared to Pela, but is one ult more in PF worth the 180 pulls for E0S1 ? 😔

[@yun3_]

That is a valid point. my chart was slightly wrong and he's actually 20-35% better, excluding down time which makes the difference much larger. I got a new video going over it and hope that helps you decide if you want him or not

[@Joykusawa]

I think the problem is people expecting harmony level of power from a nihility unit, if you look at what are regarded as the best teams rn only acheron, dot and ratio teams use nihility instead of harmony characters, and even ratio ipc is regarded as the better ratio team, so really there are only 2 teams that could use a new nihility unit, every other team would rather have a new harmony character, the problem isn't that jiaoqiu is a bad character, the problem is that people expect him to have a versatility that he can't have bc the meta rn favors buffers over debuffers

[@yun3_]

Harmony def buffs a lot and can be made to be so versatile, while debuffing characters can only do so much before they start going into the other paths like abun/preservation. I think the main way that people would want to start using a nihility for damage amp rather than harmony is if the nilihity character is a hybrid between 2 roles or literally provides more dmg via high multipliers aka 70% def shred alone. W take tho :)

[@yuuki4803]

I got downvoted for telling players to read and no matter how much logic you pitch...it won't matter Thank you for making this video

[@yun3_]

same thing happened to me on that sub lol

[@yuuki4803]

@@yun3_ I do hope the right mindset comes in

[@Yummers321]

Look how they massacred my boy 😢

[@adyleade]

Lowkey I don’t really get it 😭 like if you agree that Jiaoqiu isn’t as good as the other recent 5 star amplifiers (eg Ruan Mei) and can only be better in a vacuum if the harmonies are nerfed (even with a dps with incredible self buffs), don’t you also agree that he’s kinda bad? Maybe not literally 4 star tier, but definitely more of 4.5 stars and a less valuable pickup overall. You didn’t really mention a team outside of Ach team where he’s bis except for potentially DoT, where he’s only a sidegrade to the more universal harmonies as well, which basically confirms that he’s mediocre compared to them. Even in Acheron team, you agree that his stack generation has reduced Acheron ult frequency because of less stacks. So tldr you essentially agree with many of the talking points that argue that Jiaoqiu has been nerfed and that he isn’t very good? Idk it sounds like it’s more accurate to say “JQ isn’t very good but he isn’t THAT bad” bc his pull value isn’t that high

[@yun3_]

Yes. He is not as good as Ruan Mei who has been the best universal support for a while and doesn't help with more niche things like robin and FUA. but he is a really good generalist debuff/damage buffer. inregards to value yes, you're absolutely right, he does not provide as much as ruan mei, and is debateable vs sparkle and robin. He will be dots BIS imo, bc u are trading vulnerability for something like ruanmeis' break efficiency and dmg bonus(which your team should already have a lot in their builds). The thing is, he Can be a side grade to the BEST harmonies, so being inline of the top tiers doesn't make him mid. If you go to his reddit, people aren't saying he's isn't great which is fine, they are calling him unusable which is just wrong. also regarding his stack generation for acheron, in a scenario unfavored to JQ, he generated 28 stack pre nerf, and wouldve generated 25 post nerf if I counted right kzbin.info/www/bejne/nKu5eIOZlqufrKM&ab_channel=Aorus

[@adyleade]

@@yun3_ Regarding DoT, KafkaMains' opinions through calcs and whatnot generally believe that he's a sidegrade to RM and Robin on DoT team. Iirc showcases generally have them clearing at the same speed even though DoT is already saturated with attack and damage %. "The thing is, he Can be a side grade to the BEST harmonies, so being inline of the top tiers doesn't make him mid." Only on one team, though. If we look at what supports each premium DPS in the game wants (and some F2P heavy-hitters): Seele: Sparkle Jing Yuan: Sparkle (though iirc Yellovv said Robin w/ Huohuo) Blade: Sparkle/Ruan Mei (alongside Bronya) Kafka: Ruan Mei/Robin/JQ DHIL: Sparkle Jingliu: Robin/Ruan Mei (alongside Bronya) Topaz: Robin Argenti: Sparkle Ratio: Robin Swan: Ruan Mei/Robin/JQ Acheron: JQ Boothill: Ruan Mei Firefly: Ruan Mei Jade: Robin Yunli: Robin Clara: Robin (I think? Over Sparkle) QQ: Sparkle Himeko: Robin, but Sparkle in hypercarry. Ruan Mei is also very appreciated for break. Herta: Robin, but Sparkle in hypercarry Sparkle is a very generalist support with an easy 4 teams where she's the best hands down and has a fighting chance in 5 other teams as well. Robin and Ruan Mei are just as prevalent in team comps. Jiaoqiu only has one team comp where he's far and away the best, which is why I disagree with him being a "really good generalist debuff/damage buffer" when he might not even make the podium for top 3 support options in most teams. People are blowing things out of proportion on Reddit, true, but calling him good is still an exaggeration imo. As for the stack generation, I'll take your word for it lol and it's good that the nerf isn't as bad as it could seem at first glance. That being said, a difference of a few debuffs could mean one less Acheron ult depending on luck and other such factors. He's still far and away Acheron's best support, but capping the strength of a unit who wasn't even that strong to begin with does feel like a slap in the face. Imo, a small thing like increasing his DoT multiplier could have done wonders for him in the meta.

[@yun3_]

@@adyleade Had to really think for this one. For blade, kafka, jingliu, ratio, acheron, and boothill, I can make an argument why he is a nice fit into one of the the 1-2 support slots. He’s generally not the first or second pick, but generally speaking he's either 2nd or third. The thing when comparing these characters, we have to note that we are comparing him to 5 star harmonies. When comparing him to his nihility counterparts, he is much better in his respective role. With that said, that doesn’t make pela or gui bad. Ik they are 4 stars. If the argument is to just get x harmony character due to adding more value, i completely understand. I mentioned in another comment but this just would thus boil down to why use a nihility character over a harmony character. Being a side grade to the best characters does make a character good. Acheron is already the best dps inthe game and im saying that from an e2 FF pov. with the v5 change, it only significantly impacts Acheron in specific scenarios such as pf and doesn’t impact how other characters would perform. An unchecked acheron would be unhealthy for the game as hoyo would be incentivized to power creep her somehow such as adding even more op harmony units. The thing is, with acheron, all these nihility units HAVE to be balanced around her, which sucks, but makes sense especially with their no buff/nerf post launch policy

[@kian239]

@@yun3_ as a damage amplifier, jiaoqiu is underwhelming. it's literally that simple. it doesn't matter if you're comparing him to nihility characters or harmony characters. in most of your comments explaining why he's better than pela you bring up pf. who tf actually cares about pf? he's BARELY an upgrade at e0s0 over pela (a 1.0 four star) in gamemodes that actually matter. legitimately embarrassing that they're releasing him in this state.

[@yun3_]

@@kian239 again in the video, i explain why uptime is important in MoC/ content in general. He’s only barely an upgrade to pela at face value

[@kkelly8987]

My issue is that in his biography, he is called a chef healer. Removing his healing ability kinda irritates me since that was in his story.

[@SmashTheAdam]

He's also Feixiao's doctor

[@ninthfriend3347]

I seen a post that where it emphasize that hyperspeed Jiaoqiu might be the go-to build which I can agree with. While it does suck that his trigger limit is a thing (IMO they should raise it to 9), as of now, a way to get around with it is to build him fast. The faster he is, the sooner he can ult again which resets the trigger limit. I might build him as much spd as possible like 180 spd range. I'm already going for his sig lc so building ehr shouldn't be too hard and he already gets a lot of attack stats from his ehr conversion.

[@yun3_]

based. I will say if u can pair him with a def shredder like Pela, and can put tutorial LC on him + vonwaq/pena, he can 2 turn ult to offset the 6 trigger limit, making him not rely so much on speed :)

[@YASUOMURAMASA]

​@@yun3_What's the rotation for 2t ultimate?

[@yun3_]

@@YASUOMURAMASA You just need to skill twice. so the math is basically (5 energy after ult cast + 30 skill +(8 tutorial)+30 skill +(8tutorial)x 1.(.194+.05) for er rope and vonwaq/pena= 100 energy. hope that helps

[@YASUOMURAMASA]

@@yun3_ Ah so it turns him into a fully SP negative support, right? Got it. Thank you.

[@ninthfriend3347]

The only problem is that some players, including me, didn't start day one. So we don't have tutorial in our hands and are kinda stuck with 3t ult. Going hyperspeed and vonwaqc is a way to get him more turns.

[@neanahidden]

Please give me hope. I’ve watched so many “nerfed to dead” videos. I really want his character for the design and VA but it slowly started to feel like his kit is near useless. Especially since I don’t have Acheron.

[@yun3_]

Dont worry. Jiaoqiu is fine and in a pretty good state still, just being below Ruan Mei slightly imo. I do try to give the facts and not look at the changes at face value bc thats what most people are doing. So no, he is not dead at all. I will have video coming out to explain why this is the case

[@undom4151]

You earned a subscrber for helping pull everyone's head out of the numbers and into practical application. The biggest draw for him is to allow me to pull Ruan Mei away from my DoT team, and allow her to sit with my break team. And people don't really talk about Pela's downtime, I'm glad you addressed it. I hated using Pela w/ JL because once you cleared the field after applying Pela's debuffs, damage on the next wave would feel anemic until Pela's defense down came back up. And by then JL's enhanced state fell off. At any rate, I don't think he'll be broken - but I don't think he will disappoint if you have a team that he can fit in.

[@yun3_]

yep and rm DEF needs to be on a break team, my ff performs so bad without her ;-; using a jl ult and 2 enhanced skills sometimes with no pela ult hurt the soul a lil bit

[@Kiwipizza]

I'm gonna do the funny with jiaoqiu and use the herta shop light cone to spam his ult like crazy and have constant up time on dot dmg and vulnerability

[@yun3_]

based

[@sarettodn5708]

Finally someone else saying that the 15 energy trace is infinitely better than his old garbage ehr trace lol, the fact that people keep saying that it was a nerf is absolutely hilarious, really shows how little game knowledge the average player has. To be clear i dont think that jq is a very good unit (atleast for the level of invest my account is at) and imo he is probably the worst lim 5* in relation to his release date, but this level of doomposting is absolutely blown out of proportion, he is nowhere near dehya/sigewinne tier.

[@yun3_]

First part, yah true, but I think it's also due to echochambers/bandwagon. And I think you're right when saying in relation to release date bc ppl like ff, robin, sparkle, aventurine, acheron. it is STACKED. and the levels of doom posting is def out of proportion

[@UltimatePollo3495]

His first trace was a nerf mate as it would of worked nicsly with the 50% res my adventurine had meaning i would literally be immune to debuffs now

[@Zephyrion22]

The thing is, the new trace is a very general, boring buff instead of an interesting trace with fun and niche applications. Yes the new trace is better but first it's not garbage at all because affecting enemy EHR is MASSIVE for any broken keel user/Aventurine team, which gave fairly reliable counter to CC heavy content. Yeah, sure you can just reset through CC RNG or bring a cleanser etc so new trace is obviously better, but it also still gave him something unique and special. While yes, the doomposting got out of hand, I think his kit losing any kind of uniqueness to just become a decent-ish, but horribly generic debuffer is also far from an ideal state.

[@yun3_]

@@Zephyrion22 Yep, ur absolutely right. that could've made him more unique. He is generic now but def gets the job done like how a pela would.

[@genesis3mallari753]

- permanent EHR reduction was removed, it was supposed to be another type of debuff. good for dr ratio and e1 SW or total CC immune team - max 6 stack from debuff on enemy action vs LC trend is unlimited stack so long as correct target. - DOT team, at E0, Guinafen is better and or Ruan Mei is much better - consistent debuff? I mean all debuffers already can, nothing new - small heal was removed, yeah it is OP i know - multipliers doesn't even look like 5 star, dmg multiplier is 4 star, debuff/dmg increase looks like a 4 star, animation looks like a 4 star it really feels like a waste of 180 wishes 😢

[@yun3_]

2nd point. Both are dependent on the enemy and their turn with trend being much more rng. In pure fiction, as long you keep your ult uptime, it is not too much of a factor 3rd. new.reddit.com/r/JiaoqiuMainsHSR/comments/1e217tl/v5_analysis/. This person goes over the comparison with ruan mei and he does perform better in dot assuming their number is right. 4. In the video, as it is stated, no. not all the debuffers have constant uptime. I'll just use pela in pure fiction as an example. she ults turn 1 and the the first wave has the def shred debuff. the next 2 waves or so, enemies will have 0 debuffs. 6. his damage is buff is a 54%. Pela for example in pure fiction may have 1/3 uptime. so 45%x.5=15%. Again, his debuff multiplier is fine. If you are talking about his ult and skill damage, his ult is fairly low, not the skill. doesnt matter in the same way 99% of the player base do not build pela as a dps. ofc, feeling he's a waste is purely subjective and you're free to feel that way. But I hope you take these facts into consideration

[@animalpetdrakenstar6598]

Nice video! I am someone who wants more nihility debuffers, but I don't have Kafka or Acheron, so I'm worried that his changes make him a lot less worth it (My original plan was to grab HuoHuo, have pulls for JQ and then Lingsha as I wait for more news on Sunday, Tingyun and Screwllum)

[@yun3_]

TYTY. The v5 nerf only significantly impacted Acheron's performance in PF in some more specific scenarios. But generally speaking, he's just a rly good character. good plan tho :)

[@animalpetdrakenstar6598]

@@yun3_ yeah I’ve also rolled for low-received characters before (Argenti & Boothill, who I like a lot. I actually plan on seeing if JQ will be a nice option for Argenti for times I can’t spare my usual harmonies, another option for Ratio and maybe JQ will fix my struggles with dot PF cycles) so I hope that JQ will still find a place on release and maybe with future characters. I am worried about my ability to balance his speed and ehr tho. I only have one hyper speed support (Asta) and everyone else are around 132-154 bc I get tired of substat hunting really quickly

[@yun3_]

@@animalpetdrakenstar6598 Argenti and Boothill are so underated ;-;. In pure fiction, he def will be great for argenti bc the perma buffs will allow argenti to probs 1 shot all the mobs with just t1 ult, and esepcially if u cant spare supports. He def will be super versatile like for Dot, ratio, and future characters that will thrive on debuffs. He innately has 28 EHR, and like tutorial/sampo give another 40, + 43 from EHR body, you start with 110ish. You need 180 i Believe but against most enemies, you don't need that much, say in PF where the common enemies will not have that high effect res

[@jessicakennedy2459]

This is my summon plan as well!

[@amthirah2004]

​@@animalpetdrakenstar6598 bruh my highest spd is harmony trailblazer with 152 spd and not to mention that he has fire dmg orb to squeeze out that spd and BE, how FAST ur Asta is then ??!!! 💀

[@northmoth]

All I Can Say Is, Look How They Massacred My Boy

[@vitorjjgameplays5786]

As a limited 5-star, Jiaoqiu is a great 4-star.

[@sinnlos-erfolg5869]

This is the first time i ever give real feedback as a comment So i personally think for this video allone u deserve 200 subs iam not joking This video had great informative value, the information was explained well and simply so that you can understand it, i really was blown away by how much this video helped me keep it up, it was really good work

[@yun3_]

tysm. I’ll try to keep up the work. if you have any more questions, feel free to ask and i’ll do my best to answer it

[@illusica]

​@@yun3_ Yay you are at almost a 100 subs! I too hope that gets doubled due the quality of content!

[@yun3_]

@@illusica ty again. im honestly surprised it turned out so well cuz i was super worried about my voice audio bc there’s this low buzzing noise with my pc. but obs and their noise suppression basically removed it and you cant really tell unless u REALLY pay attention. I will get a video out hopefully soon seeing how the 6 stack limit impacts acheron in pf and how he compares in practice compared to pela/gui :) i really need to sleep first though ;-;

[@illusica]

@@yun3_ Oh my gosh yes please sleep I can see you have been responding to comments non-stop. I'm actually super excited for your future video and am even turning on the bell icon. I have legit to my knowledge never done that for any other KZbinrs content. I just really appreciate the math, logic, and one positive voice among the masses of doom. Keep up the amazing work!

[@yun3_]

:) I will do just that after finishing replying to some more comments in the shower lol 😭

[@kaykyhardy6205]

thx man I really needed this video! My main account is basically a nihility main (i will get all nihility char.) and after seeing everybody saying that he is bad now made me sad, but now im just angry with that people. Really thank you man, you won a subscriber for free!

[@yun3_]

Well I wish ur Jiaoqiu and ur future nihility character pulls luck😤 and ty for watching :)

[@vermilion6966]

I will wait for about 2 weeks after his release watching people play him to decide if ill get him or not.

[@yun3_]

good idea. I think you generally gotta wait for the hype to die down the first week to see how ppl are rly feeling afterwards

[@christophermauro-barias7451]

nah hes not worth it. just get e2 acheron.

[@sairi_a]

I don't have Acheron and don't want her even though she is OP as crap, but I need nihility characters and he will be my first 5* nihility

[@yun3_]

I personally think he will be a great option as I mentioned to many other ppl due to his permanent debuff uptime which none of the other nihlity characters can currently do. So if u get foxy boy, he'll probs treat u rly well

[@NoirArgentviBritannia]

Just pull Black Swan on 2.4 lol

[@kev1834]

Just get black swan dont bother with JQ

[@rektarduno9153]

If you have BS already you can pull for JQ. He is great for sure

[@Gesfalthe]

He is a sidegrade, which isn't bad per se, but he is a PREMIUM, limited, 5 star character. If you need a unit to help you do better if PF, then getting Jade is better, heck, building Clara, Himeko, Herta, and Serval would be miles better. Gui can be just as good with Acheron with just his LC alone. Mihoyo has shot themselves in the foot with overtuning Acheron so they release Firefly. A dedicated support for Acheron would make her busted so they nerf said dedicated support to oblivion. Now, Acheron struggles to outperform FF unless she's E2 as FF's speed and turn manipulation can net her better damage and clear time in almost all gamemodes. Hoyo's balancing department is incompetent and that's putting it kindly.

[@yun3_]

As a unit, it would’ve been nice if he had a bit more flavor like what limited units generally do with a specific type of niche. But right now as it stands, he’s just a good generalist which gets the job done just like how good ol reliable pela does, but better ofc. i do have to agree that mihoyo really screwed themselves with acheron all future nihility units have to be balanced around her now I’d have to disagree in regards to ff outperforming acheron as a e2 FF haver. pre e1 is honestly really hard to play imo as you have honestly sacrifice damage at times do to using a basic attack bc she will eat all your sp. but then even at e2, she honestly will struggle in PF and i can get around 30k in a super break team, and easily 40k but i need to add herta too. in apoc shadow and MoC, i see both acherons and firefly just brute forcing it currently. but the thing is, i see e0s1 acherons doing it while im using a e2 FF to get a similar result. while FF ofc is performing well this moc as it is tailored to her, who knows how it will be in the future. Acheron just has so much room to grow while 2/3 slots for FF is already decided. unless they literally make ruan mei or htb 2 with just better numbers

[@hadeserebus5006]

Honestly, he was a pseudo sub-dps/debuffer in V1 (like how Aventurine is a pseudo sub-dps/shielder), I like it more because his dmg multipliers are better and because if I were to put him in a team with Ratio, Aventurine, and Robin, he would do good enough dmg on his own too especially since Aventurine also has vulnerability debuff from his FuA. I think he could crit back then since DoT wasn't part of his base kit. I prefer his previous trace over the new one because it lower chances of CC, making Bailu to some degree more usable in battles with enemies that are CC heavy. His new energy regen is useful for endgame I suppose but it seems meh to me just because it only happens once instead of "for every skill regenerates X energy" like Ruan Mei or something like Pela's, regenerates more energy when hitting enemies with debuff or maybe something like Robin with "regenerates X energy for every Debuff placed on enemy" or something of that nature (Heck, Sparkle had a "regerates 10 energy for basic atk). His DoT is not too bad but oof, at the cause of his own dmg multipliers. Arguably, Guinaifen does a better job at being a Fire DoT. Honestly just glad they didn't touch his EHR to Atk conversion. I know the devs are trying to keep the balance, Acheron is already too OP and in turn, they had to nerf her supposedly BiS just so powercreep won't be too crazy but they did Jiaoqiu so dirty. Now the actual problem here-most people probably have built Pela or Guinaifen for their Acheron, or have SW, BS, or Kafka, not to mention Robin and Ruan Mei-why would you pull for him? What does he bring to the table that would make him pull worthy? Especially when there are many players who are F2P. His Ult dmg increase for characters work for those who are ult heavy but who besides Argenti and Acheron? Argenti needs energy regen units more than a debuffer. People who are husbando collectors or just like him are probably pulling for him regardless of his kit. I'm one of those peps despite his kit is no longer on par with most supports (I have all current Harmony characters) and I don't have Acheron. Husbando collectors will keep pulling for husbandos but this is just ridiculous how they started off with a pretty okay V1 kit and then made changes that made him weaker in terms of personal dmg and his own DoT isn't even good. They tried to make him accommodate Nihility units too much to the point that he seems... Incomplete or half-baked, if that makes sense. He's currently built for Nihility and only Nihility (Acheron support/Ruan Mei substitute for DoT) and not everyone wants to run DoT or have Acheron. I agree with one comment here that said they should have made his initial kit shit in V1 and slowly changed it to what it is now and people probably wouldn't have gotten as mad as we are right now. And another thing, they also advertised him as HEALER, his literal description has healer on it, and not even having a tiny bit of healing is gonna make people shy away from him. Not to mention, he's the first limited 5* MALE support, of course people expected more from him because of how broken the limited HARMony units are and with how busted Pela is as a 4* unit. You can't completely blame people from doomposting or being disappointed when he's in his current state.

[@yun3_]

I appreciate the detailed response and will try to go over everything. You are right about him being able to be a pseudo subdps duing v1 with his high skill(still rly gud) and ult multipliers. Crit hasn’t really been a factor not because of his ashen roast counting as DOT, but rather his intense stat requirements, that being 178 ehr + a lot of spd. Hitting that EHR requires you go ehr weapon which is fine, but a ehr body, which means u just ost 32cv. At a base with E)TP, I believe you only start at around 110 ehr. 178 ehr is not end all be all but still. What ur saying is true rewards to CC tho, but i do want to point out something. a complete kafka has a EHR of 36 and her spirit whisper has a 120% base chance of hitting. If you had 0 effect res, 1.2x(1+.36)x(1-0), you'd have a 163% chance of getting hit, but with his old passive, a 127%. Lets assume a lvl 90 illumination Dragonfish 32 EHR and a 80% base chance of hitting u with a def shred. At 0% effect res, you have a 105% chance of being debuffing, while he previous passive wouldve changed it to a 86% chance. Now if this trace did more than just 30% ehr, then i would be more inclined to agree. For his dot, This is actually better this way bc that means he only needs to focus on 3 multiplier nows, rather than 5 . The problem that I have is that people don’t understand how much of an upgrade he will be to pela or gui, which my new video will go over soon. Though he is not as worth ur pulls as a ruan mei, he is very close to the top. Ex. just bc bananas are a great food wouldn’t detract from apples tasting great. The issue with the introduction of acheron set a new precedent on how strong future nihility units can be due to acheron. Because she is so dang strong, adding a strong nihliity even if they arent even meant for acheron will always be a question now because of game balancing. This REALLY SUCKS. But there is nothing we can do cuz acheron exists and Hoyo is NOT planning to nerf her post launch And with the healer point, yah, a bit disappointing, even if he provided a fuxuan heal every so often could been soooo cool. Sadge. I cannot blame people for being disappointed as I was there too, but I can blame people for doomposting a character who will NOT be weak at all.

[@hadeserebus5006]

@@yun3_ Hmm those are pretty note worthy, and I completely agree with the Acheron bit. I know it was for lore purposes that they made her OP but she definitely ruined the future of nihility characters. She's already broken with current debuffers and now when you add Jiaoqiu and when someone's Acheron is at E2 and they have Sparkle on the team, it's basically gameover especially in endgame modes. DoT is considered a debuff so even DoT units will be used for her. To powercreep Acheron would be insane, FF is almost there but only when enemies are weakness broken. And I admit that I found him to be weaker than his V1 but with all things considered, he's fine as a unit as a whole, pretty much just wish he could do more because husbando collectors are suffering fr fr. We finally have a support only to have him focus on Acheron and DoT, most DoT units are women with only Sampo being a staple DoT male unit (Luka is more Break focus tbh and Welt is... well, imaginary so he doesn't do DoT). I honestly wouldn't have pulled for Ruan Mei if not for future Break units. Here's hoping the Sunday allegations of being a Harmony are true and he's a broken unit because I can't take anymore waifus 🙏🙏🙏 Now the main problem with Jiaoqiu is his pull value. People don't want to waste resources more than they already do for each new unit they get and having him be a side-grade for Ruan Mei or Robin isn't adding value to him especially if they have both units and with the possibility that Black Swan will have her rerun with him, my man is definitely in a tight spot as a pullable character. I hope he does amazing despite no Acheron OR Kafka in the game as someone who genuinely wishes to use him. Looking forward to your video with further explanation about our pretty Foxian man's dmg and utility.

[@yun3_]

@@hadeserebus5006 I agree with everything u said basically :) gosh darn acheron. My newest video is a more in depth comparison with him to pela and gui which even with my explanation in this video, people dont get why he is so much better(probs not getting that far in the vid). he has as much utility as pela which many people won't like ;-;

[@sumedhasolanki]

oh my god!! this is sooooo true!! THIS! THIS IS WHAT I WAS THINKING! At first they made Acheron way too powerful, now they are nerfing upcoming nihility characters to "balance" out acheron teams. like WHAT THE HELL MAN! I dont even have Acheron and Kafka.. I am a husbando collector.. this is sooo sad! He is the first 5 star nihility character (I'm not including Grandpa Welt. As good as he may be, in DoT teams he's kinda useless) and the devs just shat on his kit. :'( Good fookin lord. Such a good looking character, such potential.. WASTED. I'll still prolly pull for him. He's hot af. But the nerfs just made his overall pull value very unsatisfying. And him being a slight upgrade from pela/guinaifen.... IMMA CRYYYY!!! ALSO, THE FUTURE FIVE STAR CHARACTERS ARE ALL FEMALE CHARACTERS!! Like c'mon.. give us husbando collectors a break! Not fair. SOOOOOO NOT FAIR!!!

[@yun3_]

@@sumedhasolanki He still is the strongest nihility debuffer at this point, but nowhere as OP as many wouldve wanted

[@aclownonyoutube]

im telling you all, what they did to jiaoqiu was a HATE CRIME, and i can only forgive the devs only and IF ONLY they can get back jiaoqiu's skills to normal, cause why him 😭😭😭

[@yun3_]

what do u mean? whats wrong with his skills? do u mean the multipliers?

[@aclownonyoutube]

@@yun3_ i mean the healing sorri, the healing, which is HIS SPECIALTY like idk if it "breaks the nihility path" i think they broke him enough with those nerfs

[@yun3_]

@@aclownonyoutube ah i gotchu. The thing is, he was just "rumored/leaked' to have healing before his actual v1 release which didn't include healing. He actually may have had healing while the developers were testing but we'll never know. Strange that a doctor doesn't heal tho ;-;

[@aclownonyoutube]

@@yun3_ ikr, like whats the point of calling him a "healer" IF HE DOESNT HEAL, its kinda misleading ngl

[@JMike-bq6rl]

They nerfed him hard, so that the Nihility class wont dominate the game. Debuffer + Healer? Thats basically making the Abundance class more irrelevant, and they were already at the lowest value after Aventurine was introduced.

[@yun3_]

honestly if he did heal, I would've used in so many teams as a pseudo sustain as I already like trying to 0 cycle. abundance def not in the best spot rn but they could fix this by making a new one over heal like the weighted curio or just more buffsstuff like huohuo. or more unique stuff

[@thefeatheredbutterfly7335]

Tf? The Nihility Class ALREADY dominates the game! *Refers to Acheron*

[@Jojo-vids-fun]

I must agree even with all the nerfs Jiaoqiu has good viability by just barely surpassing 4 stars and I believe that can make a great character as long as they have one thing they're the best at compared to other characters

[@yun3_]

That is true. Though I guess the question lies on how much better he is compared to his counterparts, aka pela and gui. Depending on the situation, pela's uptime and as such buff can vary significantly. I will use the most exaggerated example in say PF. Pela would be able to ult every 2-3 waves, which means her ult is missing 1-2 waves. That is REALLY big dmg loss and may prevent u from killing an enemy with just a skill for many characters like my jingliu. Gui also suffers this and instead with building up stacks. Every new enemy requires her to skill, wait for their turn, or ult. And if they die, you gotta do it again, being very sp negative in scenarios. But, ofc, jq doesn't suffer any of this

[@polygentle5679]

People are doomposting because JQ is balanced and isn't monstrously as overpowered as Ruan Mei. He is a sp postive universal debuffer (with a rare debuff) with strong uptime that is a decent/significant upgrade to our current debuffers. It would be outrageous to expect him to be stronger than Sparkle or Robin in their respective teams. Despite this, he is still a comparable sidegrade to RM in DoT (With a higher ceiling with E2) and is the best support for the most broken DPS in the game. People complained that they nerfed his power in PF, but he literally gives Acheron more than half of her ult stack requirements for the low cost of 100 energy. Did people expect JQ to give Acheron 3 ults every cycle in PF? Of course his pull value isn't as high as RM, but it's a bit absurd to every support to be equal or better than Ruan Mei's universal and potent buffing capabilities. He is still a versatile support that fills his niche well. It's up to people to decide if his better uptime and 15-20% superior debuffs are worth their jades.

[@yun3_]

you worded this perfectly.

[@user-kj4pu6df6r]

12:43 - "Also he does damage, which Ruan Mei cannot do, not really" - insane cope, his own damage is barely here. He has to build EHR and speed, since his v5 nerf slow Jiaoqiu is dead, his multipliers are not great also. It doesn't matter if Ruan Mei does 5k and Jiaoqiu does 10k, yes, it's 2x increase, but does it matter if the boss' HP is in millions, while Acheron and Firefly do 600k in one turn. Pulling him for DOT (nihility) team is crazy too, he 6% better then Ruan Mei ONLY aganist fire-weak enemies. Everyone else? Ruan Mei. And the moment real DOT character releases: phys bleed with special interaction with DOT (Jiaoqiu doesn't have any special mechanic with DOT, it simply tacked on with tape), Jiaoqiu is dead in DOT.

[@yun3_]

His dot damage though not the highest can actually be very impactful in places like pure fiction, either a. outright killing common enemies or b. weakening them enough to one shot them with a skill. I don't know where you are getting he is only 6% better than rm in a dot team in fire but this is just incorrect. And with just e1s1 vs rm e1s1, his damage buff is actually slightly better than ruan mei in general.

[@user-kj4pu6df6r]

@@yun3_ don't get why are you comparing E1, while 99% of people are pulling only one copy of a character,so we are talking base E0 kit. If he needs his eidolons to compete, then he is worthless for 99% of players.

[@yun3_]

@@user-kj4pu6df6r Im simply saying he can compete even at e0 and starts winning at e1

[@user-kj4pu6df6r]

@@yun3_ he "competes" (citation needed) in DOT with Ruan Mei who isn't even a DOT unit (she's break support). You could have said that it is not his purpose either, he is Acheron support, but his entire beta his synergy with her was nerfed and he became confused "Acheron stack-generating/third place in DOT team behind Ruan Mei" mess. Like I have mentioned before - the moment Hoyo decides to release Real DOT unit, Ruan Mei will be free to leave the team for Firefly and Jiaoqiu will be forever benched.

[@shimeji_e]

everyone who kept crying surely knows how pointless your complaints are. you're clearly not the target audience, hoyo dgaf so do something that would actually have a sliver of impact instead of constantly whining. stop spending, or better yet, stop playing the game, and stop feeding its online discourse. it'll do everyone a favour

[@grmp1e]

guys just a reminder this can still be changed overtime we should not judge anything (im still so sad of that BIG AHH nerf coz they def hate jiaoqiu)

[@blythelol]

worst nerf ever

[@yun3_]

Hello, if you’re talking about the v5 changes, they only “significantly” impact acheron in specific cases. that being enemies are fast/get action advanced and there is a lot of them(dot PF) for any other team, the v5 changes didnt do anything significant if u are an acheron player, ill just quickly go over the stack generation in PF. using these 2 videos, jiaoqiu lost a total of 2-3 out of 25+ stacks the entire PF if the creators were to play v5 kzbin.info/www/bejne/nKu5eIOZlqufrKMsi=bGzyMTXTi-NY-ill kzbin.info/www/bejne/bmXFqqqKlKiEaNUsi=ljZgmfRUJKJCF4MQ

[@illusica]

This is a helpful video and the only one that I saw that has been positive, thank you for that! Can you please do another video using simple math to explain how this "nerf of 6" works in pure fiction? Like how does it work with new enemies entering the field? 🙏 Is he really not even usable in that content anymore like people are saying? Thank you in advance!

[@asoret]

There is a video comparing him to pela, he is usable and he is good, the question is if you are going to spend that many pulls on a slight upgrade

[@yun3_]

I can just explain how he would work in pure fiction here but can also make a video too:) In regards to the 6 stacks, it actually looks like a it will only slightly hurt compared to pre nerf besides in certain situations(the enemies are rly rly fast/ dot action advance) and eat up all 6 stacks. Jq with tutorial lc paired with pela can 2 turn ult to refresh the 6 stacks. the thing is, he is still GREAT for her in pure fiction, as noted in the video, his stacks transfer over to the new enemies that spawn which no other nihility can do. after you pela ult a wave, and acheron ult, u will not have pela/gui/blackswan, shred for a WHILE. which means her damage is rly rly low. he fixes that issue giving acheron a consistant and permanent buff in PF. so no, he is not “unusable” in the mode, just not broken anymore with acheron. hope that helps :)

[@illusica]

@@yun3_ This sounds really encouraging!! Thank you so much!! I would love for a video on it too because we need more content to counter act all the doom.

[@yun3_]

I can do that :) I spent like 14 straight hours yesterday on this and just woke up not too long ago trying to reply to these comments. I can maybe release by tmrw?

[@illusica]

@@yun3_ I'll be looking forward to it!

[@kittytechie]

A very informative video! Short and sweet, going to sub. :)

[@yun3_]

(´ヮ`). tyty

[@fodnrtnd]

I'd rather save for acheron rerun than pulling the most hated unit the devs made.😅

[@LeftyPencil]

Just sad his hotpot animation is now half-used. RIP animators I spend to collect the guys but sheesh, seeking other games

[@yun3_]

could you explain what you meant in the first part?

[@LeftyPencil]

@@yun3_ old dreams had team healing on ult. Of course such things aren't reliable

[@Shiraion]

Watching your video I can see why people are mad everytime you name a « buff » there is a « well actually it got nerf…..but still good though » 😂. Why couldn’t they just give Acheron her RM

[@Jojokun5235]

Jiaoqiu? More like jiaocooked lol

[@Shinypogs]

As someone who has been playing just under a month it's been pretty brutal watching the beta cycle. He will be my second limited 5 star ( got ruan mei ) and 4th overall alongside Himeko and bailu. I am saving for e0s1 and all the talk made me think he was going to be awful. Just some convenient burns for himeko. He still doesn't look good but I want him and you gave me hope he isnot worthless.

[@yun3_]

ive been playing since launch and can confidently that he is the most doomposted character i have ever seen. more than acheron, firefly, and jingliu, with all 3 being the best dps’ in the game mind you. so generally dont mind too much what ppl say about the characters pre release, and even take what i say with a grain of salt. but imo, he’s not going to be anywhere as awful as most people are making him out to be. using the prydwen tier list, id personally out him in the 0.5 tier. he is a 5* amplifier and he’ll be along sides the best, that being robin and sparkle. though i def can see people making the argument to put him in t1

[@trlwaifulover7593]

it's not that he's bad it's that he's not better enough to justify using up to 180 pulls on him

[@apotatowithnorights]

Not that 94 cr ratio losing a crit 💀✋️, mine has 85 and does the same lol

[@yun3_]

Im glad u caught that lol and the fact it happened twice in a row ;-;. It gotta be the worst feeling in the game. I feel u seele mains

[@Friday-p13]

If enemies will get a debuff on their turn means those crimson knots are gonna be distributed across the enemy units. Doesn't that decrease Acheron's damage esp if they're not divisible by 3?

[@yun3_]

wow great point. havent seen anybody talk about that at all or even think of that myself. im pretty sure it’s only a damage loss when it’s not divisible by 3, but just fine if it was like 3 3 3 or 6 3, so you may need to play around that. it probs wont be an issue in Pf with everything already dying, but it def may impact u in moc especially if ur dmg is already lacking. wish i could pin this ;-;

[@Friday-p13]

@@yun3_ I think I have the answer. I watched a video. During enemy turns, they gain ashen roast but the crimson knots go to the enemy with the highest stack of crimson knots. Not sure but that's what I saw. We'll know from the livestream or, better yet, on his release.

[@yun3_]

@@Friday-p13 I appreciate u tell me this. Will keep that in mind

[@AdrasAdraki]

I've seen ppl say hes a side grade rather than bis for acheron, so definitely not everyone is in agreement upon that.

[@Zephyrion22]

Both sides are right. Acheron's highest damage is reached by stacking Pela and SW DEF shred...however SW is purely single target debuffer with big downtimes. Sooo in a very generic scenario with one elite and a bunch of mobs, Pela + SW will do better. conversely tho, in situations where you have either 2 big elites or lots of mobs in or out of wave content (tons of summons, Pure fiction) then JQ's uptime + strong vulnerability will come on top. So then the question becomes "do your account needs to be able to tackle this kind of content or do you have other team/team setups that can allow you to deal with this kind of situation?" If yes then he is just a sidegrade, if no then he might have value for you

[@emmirbynuestro9726]

He is not acheron best teammate pela is still the best ngl

[@BailuGaming]

13:30 I've been saying that for so long lol, thank you for educating this comunity, you deserve all your subs and even more!

[@yun3_]

Tyty I’ll try to keep it up;-; i didnt think many people would even watch that part

[@JayDamaso78]

So much cope I don't even know where to start.

[@HazZzel-]

I'm still disappointed they got rid of his damage 😭 I'll pull regardless, but it's really unfortunate I dont have Acheron, I'm a husbando collector. Thinking of using him with my Argenti and Ratio. Maybe even Blade?

[@yun3_]

It would've been really cool if hit could hit like a truck. I will say he'll still be great for ur ratio and blade tho and that I hope ur pulls go well :)

[@bluejelz5967]

Hii, nice video first of all. One of the contents I see being positive about JQ. I intend to pull for him when he's released purely because of his design, although I cant help but feel a tad disappointed with how his kit slowly butchered (might be). I need to try him first hand to decide if he can make an improvement to my account since I don't use debuffers a lot 😂 So a bit of a question since I want to pull and build JQ, what is your recommendation for his build? How much EHR, SPD, and ATK is good for him? And what relic set options that are good for him? Thanks!

[@yun3_]

hello. I'll just go based off of what we know about the kit. using the effect hit rate formula, the only thing in his kit that isn't 100% base chance is his ult where enemies have a 60% base chance.(.60 base chance)x(1+1.78effect hitrate)x(1-.4enemy boss effect res)=100% actual chance of debuffing. So as we can see, we would want 178% ehr to guarantee. This is mostly for bosses. for all common enemies with 10% effect res, u only need 86% Ehr and with Elite enemies, 109% ehr. You can build accordingly with this :). For speed, as fast as you can manage to get. BC EHR and speed takes up so much of ur theoretical substats, you wont have too much space for atk and crit. So his best build at this time would be just focused on EHR, Spd, and hp/def. for relic, he doesn't have any BIS unless you plan to use him for DOT then u should use Prisoner in Deep. Besides that, 2pc spd and 2pc whatever is fine. for planar I do recommend one of the ER sets like vonw and penacony. if you pair this with tutorial lc, u can 2 turn ult with 2 skills. Even if u can't still can help in certain scenarios where you can get a ult with 1 less skill and use a basic instead. hope that helps :)

[@bluejelz5967]

@@yun3_Ah I see, well noted. I was a bit unsure about how many EHR should I build for him and your recommendations has enlightened me. Thank you very much for your explanations 👍

[@yun3_]

wait sorry let me clarify. U can also build ehr,spd, ATK if ur really tryna squeeze out his damage, potentially allow u to outright kill enemies with ashen roast with the dot in Pure Fiction

[@voltthewolf7372]

Thank you, I think I got most of what's going on, nice vídeo ❤

[@ifanch.2556]

I'm very disappointed whay they nerfed him so brutal

[@yun3_]

The nerfs come off as bad but aren't that bad outside for acheron which now will benefit less in pure fiction.

[@ifanch.2556]

@@yun3_ i agree acheron canceled to become queen on pf

[@kooweijing9061]

Why do I even need him when I literally can turn my Black Swan to be better him? More dmg but lack ult amp up and I don't have her sig lc. How convenient to just slap his sig lc on her to be a support/sub dps alongside my Pela in Acheron's team.

[@yun3_]

HIHI. my newest video coming soon doesnt really cover black swan but the points still stand. if you don't want to spend 80-160 pulls on him because it's not really worth to you, yah don't, smart. (his lc is strong af btw) But he is much better bc 1. its not just a little dmg difference for acheron between him and blackswan, it is VERY wide. 2. uptime means that ur skill can kill in situations as they will always have vulnerability up say in pure fiction which black swan cannot do.

[@sakutaro3musik486]

can you try him with eafle set and speed boots+ er rope i wounder if him ulting again resets the stack generation then we could archive good results even with a stack cap

[@yun3_]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/bqaXfadqrM-SadEsi=-jxQmBSzNUwSvA7v this is gameplay with jq and eagle set👍I want to say that ulting as soon as u can seems to reset the stack limit, so even if u get his ult early, u may want to hold off until u reach 6. hopebthat helps :)

[@fauzanhaidar8792]

Jiaoque is just like combination guin and lc trend, he dont have def shred, healing kit, only slightly better in pure fiction for acheron not worth it for 90-180 pull, better to save my jades for upgrade my acheron to E2

[@outrageouslyicy3964]

Yeah I’m sorry but also need to respectfully disagree, I think he’s gonna be HSR first standard DoT which would explain a lot

[@DanKane-vp2ff]

I think I'm just gonna get JQ just for the sake of getting him. Getting him to E2 is too ambitious, especially with Tingyun Alter around the corner!

[@yun3_]

i wish ur pulls good luck 🫡

[@DanKane-vp2ff]

@@yun3_ Thank you! x3

[@dominickjadon]

I’m not really interested in the Pela comparisons but I am interested in knowing whether he is an upgrade to Guinafen after the v5 changes

[@yun3_]

tldr yes. i go over it in 11:00, but will make a more in detail video soon

[@Justme-dq9vm]

Bro why he git nerfed??? Like i really grind for first time just for that guy, naur, if they make jiaoqiu dirty like that, i very dissapointed with even myself 💀

[@yun3_]

like the video mentioned, the nerfs were not too hard though they looked bad on the surface. if ur interested, my other videos explain this a bit more 👍

[@RedCoreX725]

Honestly i still want the numbers for better comparison since it'll give a better definitive answer in a practical standpoint than just pointing out the multiplier difference. But good video and a good take for the Jiaqiou doompost

[@yun3_]

What would u like the numbers for? do u mean like actual damage for his ult or like acheron and how many stacks she gets in pure fiction via his ult?

[@RedCoreX725]

@@yun3_ Yes damage comparison between him and Acheron's other supports at E0 and E2 and how many times Acheron get her ult. If the difference isn't much like how Black swan did to Kafka's DoT team then people would naturally be less incentivise to pull him since he's not much of an "upgrade" you could say

[@yun3_]

I can't necessarily quantify the amount of damage increase as we can only compare in theory now. But for stack generation, he most certainly is more. kzbin.info/www/bejne/nKu5eIOZlqufrKM&ab_channel=Aorus. This is his gameplay pre v.5 nerf, but essentially he got acheron 28 stacks. He now would only get her 25 stacks in the pure fiction post nerf. It's up to u to decide if you other nihility characters can provide that for her 👍

[@AndreLabRat]

Should i still pull for Jiaoqiu? I was planning to pull him alongside SW, maybe just do acheron SW jiaoqiu aventurine

[@yun3_]

This is up to you, but I personally do believe he will be a great pick up for many players, especially for Acheron users. I do recommend you try JQ with pela to see if you get better results than a silverwolf. Cuz for me personally, my pela generally performs better than my silver wolf in MOC and Pure fiction. But silver does perform better in apoc shadow for me though

[@sparklingcutie]

I mean he is still good, but he wasn't as "special" of a debuffer than he was before. He is basically a better silverwolf or pela. His heal + debuffing was the major reason why they wanted to pull him. Now that they stripped him out of that special thing, people are now dropping him.

[@yun3_]

what ur saying is 100% true, but we have to remember that the “healing” part of his kit was never confirmed and even in the game on his v1, these being merely leaked info that got changed some time down the line. i really wouldve loved his healing tho

[@arochi3985]

How did you calculate s5 pearls to be more dmg than his signature? His signature gives 24% bonus amplifier

[@yun3_]

;-; thank you for this. I just realized that they changed the description itself in from v2 > v3. It initially just changed the 10% into 18%, but now it is 10%+14%.

[@zasshu.7240]

​@@yun3_nah it was originally 10+18 before as well

[@specs9818]

I'll wait for his release and see his performance before deciding whether to get him. But at this point, I'm seriously wondering if BS/SW would simply be a better for investment for my acheron team than JQ.

[@yun3_]

smart decision. I will say JQ for an account standpoint will be more versatile than black swan in regards to debuffing alone. Jq's 40 vuln >> Blackswan's 20% def shred. But for Acheron specifically, he will be better in regards to stacks and damage. Both can pretty consistently have their shreds up which is nice tho.

[@destroyer5118]

all they need to do make him busted is make him heal again but right now after watching your video he is close to busted but not quite

[@yun3_]

yes he is very strong and seeing how his -e1 now is a whole new separate multiplier, def top tier, even more so with e1- . If he got healing too 😳 edit. It is not a separate multiplier ;-; sry

[@zakariamimouni279]

@@yun3_ didn't they fix e1 to make it additive instead of being a multiplier in v5?

[@yun3_]

OMG ty for this. shet, I can't read. sry, gotta correct my comments

[@zakariamimouni279]

@@yun3_ no problem :)

[@amthirah2004]

​@@yun3_ what's the difference between multiplier and additives?

[@kaylafoxx41]

Massive cope, wow. It's easy to have 100% uptime on Pela. Also Bronya isn't Jingliu's best, not even close. Sparkle is. Jingliu would rather have the longer crit damage buff because of her ult and self action advance.

[@yun3_]

in moc 12 no, but it just depends on the enemies and their speed and if u can delay them enough with breaks. Bronya is Jingliu's best? JL has a downtime issue which bronya can solve by doing -1spd bronya. While sparkle is gud, cant replicate that. Both buffs also run out when JL transforms bc it's a action advance and not a extra turn 👍

[@Wilson-zu3rf]

I think you should also compared his stacking with trend stacking, imo it's his biggest killer as you gonna need sustain anyway

[@yun3_]

the main thing is the trend is super rng and REALLY relies on gepard and his inherit taunt value. And I just don't really see people using gepard anymore. that lc really hurts his sustaining ability which imo he cant afford. Sure you can put it on ur aventurine but he only has a 33% rather than gepards 60% of getting hit

[@Wilson-zu3rf]

​@@yun3_ that's actually what i wanted to know how much the trend your sustainability as I don't have Gepard and planning to select him. Btw 60% is not counting blast, aoe attacks and don't forget some boss atk twice which i don't think JQ give extra stack. Also with his E2 he could give 2 stacks permove with freeze and slow but can't confirm tho

[@yun3_]

using my own gepard, his shield with sig lc is around 1850 while trend made it around 1550. I have a lvl 60 gepard, 80 sig lc & trend, lvl 6 talents, running spd bts, penacony, but no knight set. i will say i struggle with sustain in moc 12 and cannot clear it sometimes using gepard and even with his sig lc, though i do understand that he is not fully leveled & optimal. But my bailu with a similar build/investment actually sustains better than my gepard In reards to him getting hit, ur 100% right and i didn't really consider blast and aoe. I also just learned that yah, he can apply burn even with it's the enemies extra action. I only have e1 gepard and no acheron so i dont know if his freeze can count as 2 stacks.

[@gemani_gem]

I was going to pull because of the healing, don't really need defense shred at the moment :/

[@UltimatePollo3495]

He doesnt even have def shred

[@gemani_gem]

@@UltimatePollo3495 oh, so why does he... Why is he even here?

[@yun3_]

my video quickly explains why his vulnerability is better than defense shred at 04:23

[@jessedaniels4494]

Pure fiction(when it’s not a useless DOT buff cycle) is so easy with Acheron if you have BS/Pela/ already if I’m looking for upgrades it’ll be to my second side. In MoC JQ where content is harder, and slightly less buff dependent, I see no real reason to get JQ over Acheron E2 after these nerfs as with any action advance + good support speed she is good and with the new nerfs to the ult vulnerability debuff going from 18 - 15 fast bosses will make him just as consistent as a Pela with ER rope + set. I’ll still go for him because 8%- 12 is still a damage increase and I want all the damage possible for Acheron. He’s just not remotely worth the investment. I also don’t like that you compared E1 JQ to E0 Ruan Mei, E1 to E1 he’s absolutely less effective than Ruan Mei

[@yun3_]

the ult vulnerability has never been touched and has stayed at 15%. even if it did, it is just 3% total dmg decrease. depending on the content, pela can have 100% uptime, if it's say moc with just 2 majors for example. But when the enemy spawns new enemies, boss goes into their second form, or there is a new wave. Pela physically cannot keep up this debuff even if she's going hypersonic with wind. would he be a better pickup than ruan mei, no. but is he good, yes. i also respect you didnt like the comparision with jq e1 vs rm e0, but that was more so the ppl who were going to get him anyway and invest as to see how he would stack up to the best harmony like rm

[@darkhime7005]

You guys arguing that his good for acheron on pf. If thats your reason then why not pull jade 😂 she's a lot more better than him on pf.

[@yun3_]

so they can make acheron stronger in other content too :)

[@GreenhouseGoblin]

I mean I don’t think it’s doom posting to point out his obvious flaws. 10% increase for Acheron and worse than RM for dot? I get your point on his debuff uptime. But with Acheron, are we really taking more than 2 enemy turns to clear? Personally, I think his design is meh and the minimal upgrade is not worth the pulls. But this is a gacha and everyone gets powercrept eventually I guess

[@yun3_]

nono, like here's a link to their reddit. These are the more diehard JQ fans new.reddit.com/r/JiaoqiuMainsHSR/. You can see for urself

[@BailuGaming]

6:40 why are people even mad because i character that doesn't even build crit has low MV????

[@BailuGaming]

BTW, Pela is actualy 140% because of her E6

[@yun3_]

lmao yes. oh no, my damage amp support lost his damage lol. yet everyone already builds spd, ehr, hp/def on pela and gui lol

[@yun3_]

ur right on that 140% but it depends pela if u can ult them twice(if solo nihil). i wish pela’s ult was multi hit bc it generally never even benifits from her own shred ;-; bc u should be waiting for the enemy shred to run out before reapplying

[@brianaguilar5204]

What is MV?

[@yun3_]

hello, MV is just what people call motion/multiplier value. so that x% u see in game would be this so called “MV”

[@agidokiyt2164]

is he better than Guinafen E6 for Acheron and maybe Kafka?

[@yun3_]

100%. i have a video coming out later today if you are interested to explain further. But to quickly explain here, it's again with uptime, where gui will generally have low stacks and will have to keep rebuilding on new enemies while jq will constantly have 5

[@VuNguyen-zc1qe]

still not worth the pull tbh

[@therion451]

Isnt it contradictory that they keep saying Acheron is broken but then malding when her support isnt broken enough? I mean if shes alr broken why they so desperately want JQ to be the best? Im pretty sure that majority of them are just bandwagoning and not understand the whole thing cos misinfo spread like wildfire

[@yun3_]

^^

[@tyrokyu]

Okay, not sure if I'm tired or what lol, so I apologize in advance if it was explained or not. I got accidentally an E2 acheron, and I've been using aventurine with the burn LC + black swan and ruan mei. Can I substitute Black swan for jiaoqiu? I was intending to but wasn't sure of how much worth it was going to be

[@yun3_]

You def can and it will be better as a his debuffs are just higher than blackswans+more stack generation without the need to rely burn lc. but excluding stack it’s up to u if u think that 20-30% dmg increase from bs is worth it or not for ur acheron. If u arent using an action advance support at e2, i actually recommend going either JQ pela or JQ blackswan. those are my reasonings and hope that helps u decide :)

[@kyoga5714]

you can replace black swan with pela and pull for sparkle on her rerun. jiaoqiu would be dead weight on your account. jiaoqiu c0 is on par with c6 pela, a whole four star.

[@nabillokman3336]

I need clarification on his kit. The v5 nerf only affects acheron teams right? Does JQ still inflicts ashen roast to all incoming waves as long as his ult is up. I'm worried that it limits to only 6 enemies now. The only thing I care about him is his perma uptime

[@stargazerS13]

6 per ult I think 😢

[@yun3_]

yes v5 only really affects acheron teams due to the limit in stack, even then its relatively insignifigant imo. He will STILL inflict max stacks of ashen roast to all incoming waves as long as hit ult is up. His uptime is perfectly fine. hope that helps

[@AdrasAdraki]

About his uptime, how much does that matter for acheron whose dmg is very backloaded, can a pela ult every time acheron wants to ult?

[@yun3_]

This is 100% true. But in a mode like pure fiction, having that debuff always up can be the difference of acheron skill killing a few enemies and just them living on a sliver of hp. In MOC12, it's generally 2 elites +goons, into two phases of bosses. At the start of each transition, pela buff will be down, which you can off set if you time the ult right/have pela super fast. But generally, there will be times where you have acheron ult but not close to pela making u hold acheron ult which will waste stacks. Also, downtime also occurs if the enemies are too fast such as most of the end game enemies with like 150-190spd. It just really depends, but also take into consideration he can potentially provide up to 6 more stacks for acheron every ult.

[@AdrasAdraki]

@@yun3_ the vibe im getting is that distain for jq comes from a moc or as crowd while some redeeming factors of his kit really come into play in pf.

[@yun3_]

i personally just believe it's just people taking things into face value and not thinking too much about it. ex. his bonus talent reducing ehr > 15% er at the start. this while labeled a nerf/change was actually a buff, but regardless, most ppl didnt like it. cuz with v5, people are also complaining about him in PF

[@3ntr808]

I still believe they're gonna buff him , either way I'm going to pull for my acheron anymway people just wants a broken characters for High numbers and not for fun i may ask is he good with pela 😅? Cuz am F2p and acheron struggling i have her 102 crit dmg and 42 crit rate

[@yun3_]

Yes. He is Acheron's best nihility support even after all the changes. I personally believe that pela and jq will be her best partner in every game mode besides apoc shadow, where it would be jq sw instead. I would recommend you try to get better artifacts for ur acheron as you wouldn't want ur acheron build to be your limiting factor. If u have any other questions, I'll be happy to answer

[@sanemisautistic]

People always doompost and then they turn around REAL FAST as soon as they come out. Firefly? Literally changed the meta. Acheron? Literally changed the meta. These people need to stop doomposting unless they wanna look stupid like these past couple times 😭

[@sanemisautistic]

forgot to mention, why do they care about the dmg multiplier.. hes a debuffer / support 😭

[@yun3_]

Yah, a 5% nerf makes people think it's the end of the world while a 5% buff makes people think they're op. I think people just hear nerf or buff and that's all there is too it.

[@yun3_]

THE WORST PART IS. I BET MOST PPL WOULDVE STILL BUILT HIM SPD/EHR/HP/DEF EVEN WITH THOSE DANG NUMBERS. cuz having a dps pela, man, she is squishy af.

[@user-gu5zt3iy8m]

Bro, how you gonna release this video in such state when even several of the statements you use to defend Jiaoqiu's release state are straight up misinformation? I'm talking about the ridiculous notations you put throughout the video that don't take into account his v5 stacks' limit. V5 is literally in your video title, like WTF? Leaving that aside, I think there are not many people actually claiming Pela or Guinaifen are better characters, just as Jiaoqiu: they're "good"; minor difference is they're not limited 5 star characters. 10% difference is wild for most team compositions when comparing a limited 5 star character to their 4 star counterpart. You also manage to ignore several of the glarant issues Jiaoqiu has on his kit; like his ridiculous EHR & SPD requirements, SP hungriness & inability to proc Tutorial by himself to name a few. In any case, if you think he is worth 90+ pulls just to provide a minor upgrade to a character that barely needs it, that's your prerogrative. There is a reason why the majority of people (both TCs and more casual players) think otherwise. Honestly you comparing his E1 to Ruan Mei tells us all we need to know. Yeah, guys just use double the amount of pulls and he can totally compare...

[@yun3_]

I didn't go too in detail of his stack limit in this video but I did in my newer one. If you are talking about acheron in PF, my point still stands that being it was not that bad as you generally will not be eating all of the stacks if you are playing correctly in a mode like pure fiction. For v4 > v5 in an actual game, though your stacks lost would vary depending on how u played, it was only be like 3-5 less than pre nerf if you can kill properly, using footage of a purefiction where there was a dot action advance mechanic which is bad for JQ. In my new video I stated if it's not bad in PF, it will not be that bad on other modes where there are much less enemies. Also, if there really is an issue with stack limit in PF, u can just run solitary healing as people have suggested in PF. 10%-20% better than gui and pela is in theory with max ult/stack uptime. Just play PF and u can see how gui has 1-2 stacks maybe when things die, and pela wont have her ult half the time. If ur arguement after is, well that's not an issue is MOC/apoc shadow, just use pela in moc12 and depending on ur team and rng, U def can have only like 50% uptime. again, as stated in the video, his draw should be uptime, not that raw dmg amp. he does not have crazy ehr and spd issues. for spd, you only need to be faster than the team. you will not be lapping ur teamates even if your goal is to get higher ult uptime by using more sp. there is not point in being like 180spd, just being slightly faster is enough. And if this is really an issue, just use eagle like pela. He is not really sp hungry if you are building him right as he just needs 2 skills and 1 basic to get ult back, and less depending if you are getting hit hit. it wouldve been nice if he could run tutorial but it seems most people are already opting to use resolution or his sig. not even pela should be using tutorial as as u will literally perform better with resolution. I was slightly wrong on this video and at E1S1, he actually outperforms ruan mei slightly vs her E1S1. I explain in my new vid but it just boils down to ruan mei not having 100% ult uptime. This is excluding other util though. whether he is worth or not will just depend on who you are. The premise of the video is explain why he isn't bad as the doomposters say. I wouldn't make athe video if people were like "oh this guy is kinda weak", no, they are saying he is worthless and trash tier. please just watch some other ppl's youtube, and if u really want damning evidence of the doomposting, new.reddit.com/r/JiaoqiuMainsHSR/. he has literally had THE WORST doomposting regarding a character in the ENTIRE GAME. more than Jingliu, Acheron, Firefly. can you see the trend? not saying he'll be op btw hope that clears up everything

[@user-gu5zt3iy8m]

@@yun3_ A fair share of your argument seems to hinge on his capabilites for PF, specifically for Acheron. That seems like a very limited application when compared with other characters. Interesting, perhaps I'm subestimating his potential at PF. I was under the impression you would need to either spam his skill or have incredible amounts of SPD to avoid wasting stacks for Acheron. What's the desired SPD to avoid this when running a 2 skill 1 basic Ult rotation? I would agree that he is not trash or worthless, but the problem is that 2.X has brought pretty much the cream of the crop to the game and (other than Jade) the reception for all of them has been close to stellar (in their final version). In the eyes of many, that's Jiaoqiu's competition, not debuffers in general and certainly not 4 stars like Pela or Guinaifen. Under these conditions, he could easily classify as a bad unit.

[@yun3_]

Wait let me just clairify my POV first. I personally believe he is a good unit that is not better than our current harmony supports, as such meaning he does not provide as much value. He does scale better with his e1 and sig compared to rm, sparkle, and robin. If u wish to say he is more dependant on these said things, fair argument. the reason why I am talking so much abt acheron/PF is bc so many people wanting JQ are acheron havers (a majority of the complaints his entire pre launch were in v5. which only affected acheron). Most ppl who dont have acheron most likely have the harmony supports as such not too needed. But those who have acheron + dot or dot + break or acheron + break still greatly benifit with him on their account, freeing up a potential RM and being BIS in 2 team types. Nono thats a fair assumtion of how he would've performed in PF and it does look like that from a first glance. From what I've gathered, If u REALLY want that ult, u can 1-2 turn ult with JQ using Solitary healing. with solitary healing, u can just basic basic basic if u really wanted to save sp and most likely still get ur ult. If u watch that PF run I put in the description, the creator didnt lose out on many stacks which was honestly very suprisng given the circumstance. for your speed, it actually doesn't matter for ur speed in PF and is just about how well u time ur acheron kills in PF. If u kill a wave with acheron with their action value at 0-5 ish, they will all get sent back to the line and ur stacks will stay alive. yes, 2.0 brought out a LOT of powerhouses, so i understand why people felt underwhelmed. These videos again were just to combat the idea that he is genuinely a low tier character like like yanqing which people like really do believe he is a trash character. I just want people to understand that he is not trash, but also not the best. appreciate the convo tho :)

[@user-gu5zt3iy8m]

@@yun3_ So your point is pretty much trying to combat misinformation about Jiaoqiu's potential in Acheron teamcompositions? I do have seen some negativity regarding his performance with Acheron, but the vast majority seems to relate to his perceived value against other amplifiers (namely the Harmony Trintity) and how they can operate close to peak efficiency in a myriad of teams. The same can't be said about Jiaoqiu (who would get outclassed in sheer damage amplification and utility in most team compositions). And this negativity makes perfect sense, we've had 14 (limited) DPS released and only 5 supports, so supports have to be BIS for several team compositions or else they're DOA. As it currently stands we have just seen a DPS character that is pretty much restricted to a specific team (Firefly); she is great, but still. With the arrival of Jiaoqiu we see a support character that is mostly relegated to one specific DPS character. I don't think this type of balance is healthy for the game's long term. Imagine if Hoyoverse suddenly goes like this: oh, look at this amazing team, undisputed in the game... but all 4 characters pretty much only synergize with one another, and you have to pull all of them or the team's performance tanks tremendously. And you know, to top it off we'll have them in continuous banners so prepare to spend or else. People won't let this kind of tactic slide because it's incredibly scummy and greedy. For this and other reasons I foresee Jiaoqiu being Hoyoverse's worst HSR performing banner (after Dr. Ratio, of course) thus far.

[@yun3_]

@@user-gu5zt3iy8m For ur first point, a bit yes with the 6 stack change in v5 which some ppl were literally thinking its unusable in pf with acheron. More so the in general nature of him. ur right, but its just "some" posts did not like how we would perform compared to our harmony 5*. that i cant argue against. (im talking about around a week ago or so) MANY were actually were simply upset that he got nerfs, not fully understanding what the nerfs were, and simply the fact he got nerfed. and from that crowd, a lot of them were just like "welp he's dead gg unusable" "With the arrival of Jiaoqiu we see a support character that is mostly relegated to one specific DPS character." The thing is that he isnt. He is not as good nor valuable as our 5 star harmonies but he is not forced to be in these specific teams like acheron/dot niche". He simply is not as good which i think is fine when u said "this amazing team, undisputed in the game... but all 4 characters pretty much only synergize with one another, and you have to pull all of them or the team's" this pretty much already describes FF superbreak. If u miss ff, u lost 3/4 of ur dmg. U lose tb and she literally does less that 4 stars even with her inherit super break. Missing ruan mei isnt as bad as those 2 but is just awful when using without.(0 cycle in moc 12 > 2 cycle in moc 10). FF cannot kill kill fast enough due to lack of damage & delay. Thank god HTB was free, or else I would would actually agree with ur final point using e1s1 rm and e2s1 FF, I can say she's not as good as a well built e0s1 acheron.

[@renflare2570]

Hello can i ask a question regarding JQ right now? You see I am planning on getting him for my E2 acheron and I do wonder if would Really improve anything Since his Ult got nerf

[@edo_punny]

I feel like if you have e2 acheron is already performing better with pela and sparkle or bronya since that is already enough to make acheron get a really fast ult stack, but changing pela with jiaoqiu when you are using e2 acheron, it's just makes acheron can ult 1 extra time than pela in PF. So conclusion, I suggest you to skip jiaoqiu if you already have e2 acheron, I was gonna pull for him since my acheron is at e0, but now seeing this huge nerf on his ult made me feels like he is mid, since I could just use the trend lc on my fu xuan because it will also stacks faster everytime my fu xuan get hits Basically his v5 nerf on his ult is just to downgrade acheron's performance in PF since before v5 version, acheron & jiaoqiu is a broken duo

[@renflare2570]

​@@edo_punnyPela and Bronya While Good In my Comp,im having abit Uptime trouble,Because Pela alone Couldnt Give Acheron Stacks fast enough because I ran acheron Slow

[@edo_punny]

Well, i'm not really saying that you shouldn't, it's just I feel like having an e2 acheron is already good but upgrading pela into jiaoqiu is better, but I felt like he is a slight better or quite good upgrade for your acheron team

[@edo_punny]

I thinks its just me who is rethinking my jade spending since I don't want to spend money on this game from how expensive it is for me

[@renflare2570]

@@edo_punny ahaha i get you Im more afraid of losing my 50/50 than any of this honestly

[@Jojo-vids-fun]

This point also applies to destruction trailblazer as before boothill came along they were the best physical breaker in the game some would say sushang but I disagree she is too single target focused to be called best breaker

[@rosseancollins1823]

Should I pull him for my e0s0 Acheron next to Pela and sustain with market or invest into black swan/silver wolf?

[@yun3_]

This will just be my opinion so please consider that. I think he would be great due the consistent damage amp he will provide acheron. a sustain with Market LC is 1. inconsistent and only really works with gepard(they can just ignore ur tanks if they felt like it), and 2, it doesnt actually amp acheron's damage. I personally think silver wolf is weak(+she makes me mald implanting the wrong thing) due to a 2 reasons. 1. she cannot turn 1 ult unless funny shenanigan's which imo is rly important. 2. she has really really bad ult uptime without e1 and can still struggle if there is even 2 major enemies at times. With multiple enemies, even if she Implants 1, acheron's ult is missing the other 2-4 targets which get no damage buff But with APOC shadow, she can viable, but I personally think she's only ok at best in MOC and we all know she does not perform well in PF. blackswan is good and you can pull if you also want to use dot. hope this helped and I can clarify more if u need

[@kev1834]

If u have sw and pela dont pull for this guy is just a waste of pulls and use trend market on a preservation unit and save ur jades for another character or invest into e2 acheron, JQ is not worth ur jades

[@source324]

Just Acheron LC at this point you alr have SW skip this mid ass character

[@rosseancollins1823]

⁠@@yun3_ thank you!

[@rosseancollins1823]

@@kev1834 I dont have sw tho and I'm not really seeing myself going for e2 in the future, sig lc max for me

[@coltonhunter2671]

So is he a big upgrade for acheron(e6) over silverwolf?

[@yun3_]

it just depends on the content, so def no in apoc shadow. def yes in PF. and it depends in MoC and again imo comes down to uptime. if u got e1s1 sw and dont struggle with getting ur ult back, i dont think he’s necessary for u👍

[@kyoga5714]

so glad that he's pretty much worthless and i just can safely go for e2 acheron on her rerun

[@Mitsuri7878]

Ну и зачем он ? Скаажи мне плиз Если ахерон и так сильна Я считаю Выкрутить Фэйсяо будет выгоднее

[@yun3_]

Извините, я не знаю русского, поэтому мне придется отвечать с помощью Google Translate по сути, если бы они сделали JQ настолько сильным и, таким образом, сделали Ашерон на мили лучше, чем ее конкуренты, это вынудило бы Хойо ввести в игру постепенное увеличение мощности, что было бы очень вредно для здоровья.

[@Mitsuri7878]

@@yun3_ oh sorry 😁 I am too lazy to write in English XD Still.. I am a little bit disappointed in jq... His v4 Was way better this....

[@Mitsuri7878]

@@yun3_ maybe you're right 👍🏻

[@yun3_]

@@Mitsuri7878 I hope you don't mind english. I've told some other ppl but v5 only significantly impacted acheron in certain scenarios. basically using this acheron gameplay for pure fiction. rekzbin.info/www/bejne/nKu5eIOZlqufrKM&ab_channel=Aorus, i counted how his pre nerf ult generated 28 stacks for acheron, while post nerf would've only been 25. For most other players, the v5 should not impact them too much. Though I can understand why u may be disappointed in his kit in general like the no healing part

[@vagueshade8197]

Once, a very wise man said: people are restarted. I agree with that man. I'll pull for him, he is solid.

[@yun3_]

people be people lol

[@ballistic2527]

I personally don't care about this char, but i've seen so much doomposting in the dreams sub, some even leaving the sub out of frustration lol. Super cringe, these are people who are clearly privileged and have nothing better to worry about in life than some mid looking character in their chinese game being potentially bad

[@yun3_]

I would understand if he was actually really weak and going to be dehya tier(sry dehya mains), cuz then theyd have a valid reason why to complain. But like most people are just complaining without knowing really why imo.

[@Zexionlope]

​@@yun3_bruh at least dehya can be still dps on field or out Field

[@yun3_]

@@ZexionlopeI have Dehya c1. i just really wish her base kit had up to c2 included ;-;

[@addollz6192]

The Husbando pullers are the most pathetic part of the community unironically. They kept bitching with the new set and Boothill, that it's bullshit how he doesn't have super break built in like firefly, so he needs to have Harmony mc to fully proc the set. AS IF FIREFLY ISN'T THE SAME. She quite literally cannot do decent dmg without HMC.The victim mentality is so tiring.

[@HazZzel-]

One this has nothing to do with Boothill or Firefly (and the problem was that Boothill didn't need HMC before, meaning you could slot in another debuffer or Bronya). Two, there are much worse parts of the community. And three, the waifu players genuinely have it much better. It isn't a thought, it's a fact. Waifu characters are more likely to have self tailored sets and are typically stronger.

[@addollz6192]

@@HazZzel- My point is that the argument that he would need HMC is invalid because Firefly is quite literally the same. I didn't say worst btw i said pathetic. The pity party is depressing and makes being around them insufferable and annoying.

[@HazZzel-]

@@addollz6192 There are much more pathetic parts of the fandom. Most husbando collectors I've met are chill, as compared to some of the more toxic waifu stans. Of course, that's just using your logic and generalizing everyone I'm a husbando collector. Been fun chatting with you, buddy.

[@yun3_]

@@addollz6192 I think it's character dependent as they do tend to attract different types of players + the kit would greatly impact how they were received. I def saw how some ppl complain how the new set wouldn't benifit boothill as much even though it was so slight. I would like it if people did a bit more proper research so they could just make their own opinions before feeling like victim. unless ur a Deyha, sigewinne, or yanqing main, then go ahead. In recent history, the only character I have seem actually get doomposted and even close to this level were firefly, and acheron, and a while back jingliu

[@yun3_]

I just want to say overall, it'll be best to not generalize an entire group. Like there are chill husbando collectors as there are chill waifu collectors. Just as there are toxic people on each side. Don't let the vocal few ruin ur perception on the generally chill group yk.

[@Adrianvazquez-bt7st]

They ruined a character that didn’t even get time to shine. Embarrassing

[@yun3_]

He's still very strong if u watch the video :)