what happened to Misha? (Honkai: Star Rail)

[@Hououin818]

I feel so bad for Misha because his v1 kit was insanely good by having ice res pen and his e1 make him able to give that to the entire team, making him a really good sub dps/sp for Jingliu and future ice dps

[@bribriibribrii]

fr

[@jaimestark3019]

That's 2 Hoyo games in a row where ice is just straight up neglected and forgotten. I wouldnt be surprised if in ZZZ ice characters fall off as well or never find their niche

[@j.b.fsomin7242]

I mean that only applies to 4 star ice characters ig, characters such as ruan mei and kingliu are exceptions to the rule.

[@Marc-rw3dd]

highly doubt ice will fall off in zzz, especially if miyabi is still ice when she releases

[@Marc-rw3dd]

​@@j.b.fsomin7242i mean, ruan mei's element doesn't really matter, she'd get her job done regardless

[@tayyabo]

Well jinglu had one of the lowest avg clear cycles this MOC. Even lower than yanqing,that says alot.​@@j.b.fsomin7242

[@santabakure6264]

@@j.b.fsomin7242 jingliu is slowly falling off That’s kinda sad, her aura is immaculate

[@exoticbutters1760]

I like him because I think he's adorable and I think the story behind him is adorable yet sad. And his moveset is silly

[@DCminh-pe9wf]

He's a solid character, people just dont use him because he look too sily. Thats how i feel honestly Yanqing who's generally worse than him has like 10x the player

[@exoticbutters1760]

​@@DCminh-pe9wf yeah Misha isn't even bad tbh people just overlook him because he's a four star. At least he isn't as bad as Yanqing who is basically useless without Aventurine

[@piscye1806]

People overlook him because hes too silly not because hes a 4 star lol ​@exoticbutters1760

[@JosephHk743]

Ironically, Misha actually helped me with (as of right now) Apocalyptic Shadow against Adventurine and he did surprisingly well with Harmony MC mainly as a Super Break bot. However, outside of some niche cases in some endgame content, I feel like he got released at an awkward state of the game where either he already got outclassed or there were characters that were just stronger. I do have high hopes for Misha down the road eventually to be a secret powerhouse, but it’s unclear when that opportunity will come.

[@miguelc.8240]

Misha will be broken when they release Remembrance as a playable path and Freeze becomes meta, trust ❄️❄️❄️

[@vitorjjgameplays5786]

@@miguelc.8240 When and *IF* HoYo launches Remembrance as a new Path, you can be sure that it will have nothing to do with Freezing or Dissociation. There are no plausible reasons to have an exclusive Path for a mechanic that is in turn exclusive to an Element. Currently, there is no reason to even create a new Path.

[@exoticbutters1760]

@@vitorjjgameplays5786 I honestly don't see why HYV would create a new path tbh. Like what would it even cover when we have basically every archetype covered with all the current playable paths we have?

[@vincikeeper1581]

Aventurine*

[@aomafura3374]

All Crit DPS are outclassed right now. We just need to wait for a Crit support to bring Crit back inline.

[@WittyFalls]

Misha's niche is in Adventurine boss and he does it really well

[@vincikeeper1581]

Aventurine*

[@darealbingoxz1142]

The game: Aventurine The character: Aventurine Literally the entire community: Aventurine You, for some fricking reason: "Adventurine"

[@rikkucrowe]

It's funny cause Misha is crazy strong in game modes like high end gold and gears and swarm cause of his ability to keep those one shots locked down

[@XolzeTelos]

Yeah just ignore the fact that Misha 2 cost 0 cycled Aventurine

[@SuperMulti12345]

i wonder if the rumors about hsr getting remembrance as a playable path is going to coincide with misha getting a bump in the meta

[@keruvimj]

imagine, misha comeback as remembrance 5*

[@Jade.051]

@@keruvimjI’d pull for him ngl

[@Pachirisu2024]

I actually use him every time on MoC 12 on the aventurine boss those suitcases are filled with rocks 😂

[@exoticbutters1760]

Ngl he's pretty cracked against Aventurine lol

[@xingqiu1809]

How 😭 I have him e6 and fully built with sparkle, pela, fu xuan but I still can’t beat aventurine

[@orian1642]

The painful thing about Misha (coming from a day 1 misha main) is that we have a template for what he might have been (or could be in the future) right in front of us. The Remembrance path in Simulated Universe. Just like how Elation and Nihility are the epitome of followup and DoT Remembrance is the peak of freeze- and with Remembrance Dissociation in SU Misha becomes an absolute beast, especially if you combine that with erudition blessings. He can dish out literal nukes without letting the enemy take a single turn, extremely useful in a place where if you let the enemy move, you’re most likely going to get one shot without preparation even with a shielder like Aventurine. His freeze is also much more consistent imo than March’s, especially in single target against bosses. And yet…. no freeze support is here to bring us dissociation in normal gameplay, meaning that until that day comes, Misha will have to sleep (ugh. Pun not intended.) in the back of most people’s rosters.

[@tsyganko]

Hanya is still used bro, not everyone has Sparkle. My Dan Heng really appreciates Hanya

[@asterion3587]

Misha needs a character that adds more value to Freeze or another DPS with high SP consumption and generation. Even so, I think Misha at E6 is very similar to Jingliu, and most people always praise Jingliu.

[@DrStunJosh]

Honestly, Misha is best used on a mono-freeze comp. For that reason, he isn’t a viable option for teams-sort of like Asta and Yukong. His freeze uptime is extremely good for other characters who can do extra dmg to frozen targets. Shame that we don’t have more characters like that.

[@funfactmaker4924]

Yanqing jumpscare

[@kanicunny]

Unless HSR has some kind of party cost mechanic like FGO or maybe some kind of "cheaper cost to use" like arknights, 4 stars will always be either a downgrade or a placeholder for their 5 star counterpart. In FGO, running a lower cost unit has a benefit in which they can function in their respective role without just sacrifing an empty slot because you usually can't run a team of full 5*. In arknights, 4* are cheaper to deploy and for some basic stuff they can usually be better than just using their expensive 5* or 6* counterpart. But in HSR there's no limit or ceiling, you can use full 5 stars team which means 4 stars doesn't even serve a purpose in the first place. Just like how hanya is a placeholder until you get sparkle, misha until you get jingliu, or lynx/nat until you got huohuo. Even tingyun will probably get replaced at some point

[@CodeTetsu]

However, you have two teams in a lot of modes, so even if you have the premium option on one side you are also given another option. Additionally, having the 4 star option allows you to be pickier with who you choose. If you don’t get Jingliu you literally have 0 other options for ice dps other than Misha. Personally I plan to skip Lingsha because I already have Gallagher. She may be better, but is the increase worth 70-150 pulls? I don’t think so personally.

[@kanicunny]

@@CodeTetsu True, but after playing for like 2 or 3 years chances are you will have enough 5 stars already and will probably make full 5 stars teams instead. The problem is there isn't an incentive to use a 4*

[@CodeTetsu]

@@kanicunny You yourself said 2 or 3 years so I don’t see how that’s a problem. Additionally, not everyone who starts playing the game will have a full team, so 4 stars can always fill in the gaps depending on when someone joins.

[@vitorjjgameplays5786]

​@@CodeTetsu He is being very generous with these 2 to 3 years. I've gotten 2 entire 5* teams with less than 1 year of playing (I've been playing since launch). I don't give new players more than a year and a half to do the same through the reruns. As the other said, 4* characters only serve as a placeholder until you get their 5* equivalent, unless that equivalent doesn't exist yet or the 4* is so good that it's not worth investing in the 5* if you don't go beyond E0 (like Gallagher). Even if you have an E6 Sampo, you have reason to pull and use Black Swan, but if you have BS, you have no reason to use an E6 Sampo instead. Also, there's the factor that most 4*s don't perform reliably before E4 or E6, and some still perform averagely even at E6, while many 5*s perform very well even at E0S0 (and probabilistically speaking, it's much easier to get a Limited 5* in 80-90 pulls than an E6 4*).

[@danielak1666]

​​@@CodeTetsuwell, I think you kinda miss the point here. The main point is "there are no incentive to use 4* in HSR". Once people have enough 5*, they could and most likely will use a full 5* teams. I think most day 1 players already have enough 5* to make a decent 2-3 teams, so 2-3 years is a really generous speculation.

[@мсвафлик]

i used him early game simply because he's adorable little fella and i'm obsessed with ouji fashion and that's literally it.......

[@angeldiaz762]

I somewhat _regret_ pulling E0 Jingliu with no LC because I hardly use her now. I see Misha as a freeze version of Welt, kind of, but like you said, the player base was already using March for that.

[@notruminari5668]

thats around 110 pulls (dont be that guy, this is just my rough estimate) that i save from not pulling for jingliu. The fact that he still has decent number on his 2-3 turns ult (~700% on max stack) still makes him one of the better hypercarry a 4* could be

[@mediumsurmoon6283]

Um actually

[@notruminari5668]

@@mediumsurmoon6283 you know wut? Do it, tell me the real average rate for a 5* limited character. I'm kinda curious now xdd

[@Pack52022]

Well at the end of the day if your account has ruan mei, sparkle, or the top tier great supports honestly it's still a really solid account even if somehow you don't have many 5 star DPS. This game is heavily dependent on great and broken supports so even 4 star DPS with some good artifacts can do the job albeit not as good of course

[@apotatowithnorights]

​@@notruminari5668 160~ pulls if you are unlucky and if you are very very unlucky 180 pulls

[@darealbingoxz1142]

@@apotatowithnorights Are you talking about standard banner ?

[@TieflingUnshackled]

I think while there's a LOT of reasons Hanya isn't top tier or in all the high meta things she is still a very functional team while waiting for other teams for 2nd team Misha however is competing not just against Jingliu but he's fighting against tons of dps even though he's a destruction character he's basically fighting all damage units and not only that but even other 4 stars have more viability in characters. In the DoT team if you don't have Black Swan instead of Misha you use Sampo. At least Hanya has less supports to fight against and even less really strong budget(4 star) supports.

[@silverhawkscape2677]

Sir. Everyone has Poured over Lingsha vs Gallagher and have come to the Conclusion she's a Sidegrade. It's mainly because of how Gallagher can easily be turned into a SP generator bot without Compromising too much on Healing.

[@exoticbutters1760]

@@silverhawkscape2677 yeah Lingsha has to alter between using her skill and basic attack every now and then compared to Gallagher who can go an entire fight without spending a skill point

[@monedooo]

not to mention gallagher damage is still insane for a healer and the fact that he can use quid pro quo witch pretty much makes him better han lighsha outside of break too considering how strong robin is right now

[@aggapuffin]

@@exoticbutters1760 Even better is that his Ult Action Advances him and his Enhanced Basic Attack still gives SP.

[@Cynicalhamptur]

And there is also how Gallagher can spam his skill to get his ult up much more easily than Lingsha. (because he generates so much SP, he can use his skill much more than Lingsha and do more toughness dmg) Meanwhile Lingsha's toughness dmg is more inconsistent, depending on the kind of enemy she is fighting. (if the enemy likes to debuff or attack a lot, she will start to struggle as her cleanse is locked to her skill and summon, but the pro is she can teamwide cleanse) Plus, with Gallagher its much easier to use Bronya with Firefly, compared to using Lingsha.

[@electrickzy]

@@CynicalhampturWhy would one use Bronya with Firefly ????

[@ignor2834]

I only use him on the adventurine boss because adventurine is the only boss on the field since misha's ult is a bounce

[@YakuKikyo]

I'm personally using him as a pseudo-sustain + debuffer for MOC and AS on an alt account. But it is making him work rather than a case of him being intended as such. I don't have Ruan Mei, or Pela, March is used as hunt March, so I do with what I have to keep the enemy broken for Fireflly, and an emergency freeze if Yanqing's shield is low. It actually works well unless the RNG decides to mess with me. It isn't something I'd recommend, though, since you have to play him manually rather than on autoplay.

[@kidsIIIII009]

So basically a 4-star Welt

[@kirbydude667]

He was one of my favorite characters to use in early game, in fact I beat adventurine with him

[@crusherjoe8520]

Ice will make a comeback in 3.x with one or more units, including a highly anticipated 5* one. They are already ice weak bosses in 2.5 AS (Apocalyptic Shadow), 2.6 MoC 12, and other future content. Players have already used ice units Misha and Yanqing to 3* 2.5 AS 4 boss Aventurine. I brought back from the dead Jingliu and Blade against Aventurine to 3* it in my 1st attempt.

[@alexzhang9122]

He's actually been pretty useful into Adventurine MoC, there's a ff 0 cycle comp that's ff, rm, hmc, and Misha due to how much break his ult can do to enable ff dmg.

[@The_Wanderer_]

Me watching this knowing he is my best built character knowing ill always use him forever

[@Benrir.]

4* main dps just straight up not worth it

[@bloonbrawler9872]

They are, the problem is that we don't have any good ones

[@uyeah1234]

@@bloonbrawler9872 there is never any situation a 4star dps will be good. The only time is when they just give 5 stars stats but call them a 4 star. Every hoyo game 4 star dps gets power crept. Genshins 4 star dps that are as good as 5 stars are becayse they're sup dps, not regular dps, and they can proc elemental reactions. Hsr does not have that, it's just pure numbers and 4 stars numbers are always lower.

[@usmanya5110]

​​@@bloonbrawler9872 well most 4 main dpses will never see the light of day. even in genshin almost every 4 star on field dps suffered from this as their power level is simply lower than 5 star main dpses (except if your name is Gaming.)

[@kawaiimika7974]

​​​@@uyeah1234 Ummm, then what is Gaming? And also, we don't have many of them so how can you say they're bad when they don't exist? Like what, we have Yanfei, Sethos, Razor, Freminet, Noelle, Heizou and C6 Lynette left. C6 Lynette is good enough, Heizou is more of a driver, Freminet is a failed experiment, Noelle is like, an ok DPS but she's more of a Furina driver. Razor is an EM machine that is bricked by circle impact, Sethos is on the same level as any Aggravate unit, they're all mid. And Yanfei is also a pretty completent DPS at C6.

[@Condensed_rock]

Moze is great tho

[@keoku360]

I don't use them because I don't like his design, it just sucked because we finally got a male character and they gave us..... That.

[@chrisdomingo4772]

He's personally my favorite 4-star character. Hes silly, clumsy, cute, shy, and does good damage not as much as other characters, but you play who you like, and I like Misha.

[@mirageknight8070]

People keep forgetting that since characters many characters like Sparkle and Jingliu won't be back for a while, the casuals and newer players are forced to use their budget counterparts to fill in the required niche

[@galyushi]

Misha and Disassociation are DEADLY.

[@nemesis9479]

misha main 4 life i love my sweet single celled organism boy

[@axHSR]

He was cooked since day 1 for trying to compete with jingliu

[@darkwolf9637]

The only time I've seen misha used is against adventurine specifically

[@BruhMarbel]

Personally as someone who has jinglu and misha both raised, I honestly find myself using misha more than jinglu. He just does more dmg and is especially dominant against aventurine. The def shred stacking that he gets from his e2+quantum set is insanely good and stacks even better with a pela. Not to mention Jiaoqiu buffs him even further since most of his dmg is ult dmg. Idk, I think he’s good, jinglu is probably better but for me personally misha has always done better than her

[@cringe_magistr]

You should play him as a freeze sustain, not a main dps

[@maskedlucina5574]

Since i dont have Jingliu but i appreciate Misha either way i might build him and use him

[@ineedmorecarrots6063]

they really did dirty the one of the founding fathers of penacony

[@chrisbryant2867]

Been still using him he is my main ice dps and herta.. i have e6 misha. . He fire if built right and have two builds for him depending on what i am doing

[@santabakure6264]

I wish misha was nihility character so we wouldn’t feel so bad to build him as a support Plus he could get something for more supportive builds on top of that

[@BenTheTiger131]

A four 4 star Jingliu which everyone sleepover…

[@mr.kamiguru6915]

Great video, though I dont agree with the "Average player will use the best available option" sentiment. The average player doesn't know jack or shit about meta, using units they like And if they do use meta inita it's more of an happy accident than anything.

[@VarunAgarwal1993]

I cleared Apocalyptic Shadow 4 with 1200 points using Misha. Because I don't to pull Feixiao and don't want to build Yanqing.

[@duongnguyen-s1i]

i wonder if they will make the true misha and bring back misha back to the meta

[@wollywogholder3313]

I don't think Misha is a Hanya just yet, but more of a dying Qingque, meaning good dps for a 4 star but will eventually die out. I've seen a lot of Misha builds that have dealt as much as and even more damage than QQ or JL (granted they use sparkle or robin) with just about 80 to 140 crit ratio, in the teams that i've seen (and used) there have been other four stars beside him like Pela or Tingyun. And also Misha isn't unused, alot of people do post videos of clearing MOC with 4 stars and Misha is one of the best to clear aventurine with, he deals great damage if used properly and I don't think was necesarilly supposed to be support in the same way Welt is now quote on quote a "sustain" Overall this was a good video, but don't put slander on my man Misha, he aint fully useless yet.

[@imboredthatyimhere]

Don’t sleep in misha in golden gear remembrance lol

[@mayonasepizza]

I think that he is cute and would use him if he had any use but my destruction slot is already filled with an e2 DHIL

[@suitrBJ]

The animations were a big thing for me. They seem so silly

[@Nevio1810]

How much effect Hit rate would be ideal for him as a freeze sustain at E0? Just curious.

[@Sivality]

as a Misha main there’s not a time when I don’t use him as a main dps

[@princesslizzy999]

My Misha can hit 1 or 200k damage in normal play. I don't think he's that bad. It's harder to get higher numbers, of course, but it happens.

[@neilwaterson2487]

Herta 5 star ,want misha

[@randyjr.arsenio5624]

Jingliu less people: 👀

[@jellyboy5721]

All im saying is he'd be so cool and pull worthy if he had an unique ultimate system like Acheron. His biggest problem is his passive and ultimate. Either one of them gets maxed early and the other one doesnt. So, imagine him having a clock on his ultimate and after 12 skill points (like the 12 houre on a clock) his ultimate activitates. I think it'd make him more fun as a 4 star. Proove me wrong

[@eff-fume]

Ice has a bad rep in hoyo games for some reason lol. They always make it good at the start and after a while it just becomes meta irrelevant. Jingliu is barely holding on, and we know what happened to Yanqing.

[@Duskyming160]

Misha 5 star version or Wriothesley rerun banner ?

[@EnigmataFollower]

I mean, you can just play 4 star DPS when you feel bored

[@M3TZLEGEND]

Mika

[@vitorjjgameplays5786]

What happened to Misha? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. He's always been an mid to bad character and that only got worse after the DPS standard went up a level with Acheron, Boothill, Firefly, etc. His kit always seemed like a shredded puzzle to me, as if they'd sliced everything up and scattered it around so as not to give him any more useful abilities. Like, why does his Ultimate only have 20% base chance to Freeze and he has an A2 that increases that base chance by 80%? Wouldn't it be easier to just give his Ultimate a 100% base chance and create a more useful Ascension ability? This is something that is repeated in several characters, but Misha is the most visible case for me.

[@lemonchanisrandom1531]

I use Misha

[@sct77]

The character everyone downplays because they don't have him lol.

[@BunPrince]

Oh you don't know? he died

[@irena4929]

Misha being a worst jingliu and you already know how mid jingliu is lmao no wonder no one play him

[@mohdamin6641]

I forgot he exists

[@fallen8293]

Nobody gives a shit about 4 star dps, not to mention there’s a 5 star ice dps

[@Josh-qt5zi]

Two words Arlan theorem

[@fredrickthenpc6149]

first

[@lillyie]

misha was made to be a 4 star acheron(being an ult nuker and having his allies help towards building that ult nuke) but when acheron actually released, everyone forgot about him, not to mention his ult is a bounce attack hitting random enemies like jing yuan's lightning lord and we all know how viable he is

[@adityakharde4265]

Just pull for a jingliu if you want ice destruction who even uses him😂😂

[@lemansaug3946]

Me

[@lillyie]

just one problem i started hsr after jingliu banner so how do i get her

[@zannax351]

Why would you spend pulls to get a jingliu anyway in a post acheron boothill firefly yunli feixiao world. Misha does fine as a 4 star dps and honestly performs better than Jingliu versus current moc aventurine because dice phase is a super rough counter to transcendent state for jingliu.

[@Potatochip_845]

7:23 "they could just pull a hoyo Classic and make super freeze" Dissociation and deep freeze: we are a joke to you?