What happened to the Catholic Church?

What were the root causes of the great changes in the Church after the 1960s? Tens of thousands of Catholic priests and nuns left religious life, and tens of millions abandoned old beliefs and practices. Why? A discussion.
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[@urbietorbicommunications]

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[@maggiesace389]

Cardinal Gagnon visited Marcel Lefebvre in Econne; sent there by Pope Paul VI to investigate LeFebvres seminary; after which, Gagnon stated he could find NOTHING wrong, and that ALL seminaries should be modeled after LeFebvres seminary!

[@lomaszaza7142]

I've known your works since many years ago Dr. Moynihan. Very interesting you have not changed your view except you have deepend it further especially your work on Archbishop Vigano. I read it few month ago cover to cover. Well done. But i remember while reading it you almost "want" to disclose where he was hiding. I thought that was unnecessary n impurdent. Anyway, another thing i want to say is that would you please tune it off that beeb sound when you making this kind of interview. Thank you :) Great works over all. God protect n bless you Dr. Moynihan.

[@1woksape606]

*The cowardly and diabolical abandonment of exorcisms, spiritual warfare, deliverance and the Godly Holy Spirit infilling has caused all the destructions in the world..past and present..God save us now..

[@1woksape606]

Z*Circle of Life *For everything there is a time *Do justice, love mercy, walk humbly with God.. * My people are destroyed for lack of (Godly) knowledge and understanding (&wisdom)... *The whole world tries to block & steal your Godliness.. *Test the spirits (&people) and dont be decieved.. *Great & powerful prayerfulness is a Christians birthright and obligation *All that is wrong is based on unGodliness, foolishness, unprayerfulness and sin.. *All Christians are born into Spiritual warfare and most dont know it or do it.... *Jeremiah 17:5- Trust in God, not in human beings *Better to obey God than men * The just shall by mustard seed childlike fath. * The enemies will only find themselves fighting against God *God is in control and not the evildoers & God always wins

[@urbietorbicommunications]

@@lomaszaza7142 Dr Moynihan says thank you and he will be sure to turn off the "beep sound" . Thank you for sharing...

[@Mikemanify]

I have been attending the SSPX since 2015 and I can say that they are very best priests I have ever known. They are extremely hard working. They travel 1000s of miles to offer the Sacraments. The teaching is 100% Catholic. There is no "sectarian" mentality. That is a complete myth. They see a huge problem in the Hierarchy but then so do many others. Many of the dire warnings that the saintly Lefevbre gave have come true. I believe that when the Modernist madness is destroyed a future Pope will declare Marcel Lefevbre a Saint. Finally, after having found the Blessed Sacrament crushed on the floor at the end of the Novus Ordo I went through a terrible period of trial which affected my mental health. I was on the verge of losing my faith and my mind. It's a long story but every time I went to the Novus Ordo, each Sunday, I would leave the Church in a terrible state of panic and anxiety. Then I found a home and peace in the SSPX. Their priests have been true pastors to me and I thank God everyday that they are in my life. Thank you Archbishop Lefevbre!

[@billveek9518]

I'm going through this right now only I work for a NO parish, it's not going to be easy but I'm going over

[@RayNaraine]

Michael, 100% agree! The Latin Mass and true devotion is saving my soul.

[@LUIS-ox1bv]

Father Z, a stalwart defender of the SSPX, once featured a video, where he stated, was a reason why the SSPX would not only succeed, but prevail. It showcased a priest, whose priory is in Oregon. Yet he routinely flies, to Alaska. Disboards, and then boards a small plane to a remote area, in order to say Mass and offer the Sacraments to Catholics in in the sticks. In short, he travels thousands of miles so Catholics in a very remote section of Alaska can receive traditional Catholicsm. How many Novus Ordo priests do this? This very same priest has also substituted for our regular priest in NYC. He's amazing and serious about his vocation. God bless the SSPX.

[@johnsteiner2960]

It would be nice if they were all throughout the country, unfortunately they're not to be found in Utah.

[@bobaphat3676]

schism. It's that simple, they are in de facto schism.

[@mariegatzmer829]

Today the nuns have to sell off all their properties that were donated, so that they could buy into Social Security . This was extremely expensive. Most of the nuns are elderly and need Nursing Care. They are now begging for financial help. In former times the younger nuns supported the older nuns, we all know what happened, no younger replacements. Our nuns have literally given their lives for God. May He bless them abundantly.

[@Laura-dy1vc]

In addition, Bishop Schneider also visited the SSPX seminary in Ecône and found nothing wrong. Actually, he essentially said Catholic seminaries could learn from the SSPX seminaries. SSPX is Catholic and part of the Holy Catholic Church……their status is “canonically” irregular, but that is an internal Church matter - they are NOT schismatic…….and are some of the most devout priests I have ever encountered……they are what the Jesuits used to be. Their formation is EXCELLENT.

[@Fred-qe5dl]

I rather listen to the last three popes and canon lawyers than Bp Schneider. SSPX is as much as a problem as the liberal/ bordering heretic current hierarchy.

[@beatricec9238]

Sspx is the remnant church for sure

[@fooberdooge3103]

@@Fred-qe5dl Yeah, Benedict and Francis have both been very friendly to them and given them faculties

[@stanyukica382]

Sspx are schismatic They are not in communion with the holy see

[@Fred-qe5dl]

@@beatricec9238 so you are admitting that they are schism… every schism says that the church Jesus founded is in error… for some reason they can’t fathom the idea that sinful and malicious individuals can be in the hierarchy ruling the church… hence the schism….

[@biserkabrito2582]

This Live Stream discusión was SUPERB! as all previous ones. Thank you both, Dr.Moynihan and Fr. Murr. God's blessings for the truth exposed.

[@user-re2ss3jn8w]

Does Fr. Murr have any thoughts on why JPII was fixated on Marcel Lefevre while allowing heretical Bishops and Cardinals to continue which has caused many problems worsening in the Church.

[@garyolsen3409]

Another book that tells us how we got where we are is, Dr. Taylor Marshall's book, "Infiltration." Read it.

[@michellelococo4023]

I so very much appreciate this series. God Bless you Dr. Moynihan and Fr. Murr!

[@kathylohff3866]

I have been so interested in all these podcasts with Fr Murr and you Robert. I can’t wait for next week! ❤❤❤

[@estherpaez6426]

Wow! Such an insightful conversation of two brilliant men of God that can help us all understand how/why we are living in this confusion that the whole world has become. God bless you both

[@urbietorbicommunications]

Thank you for your comments!

[@garyolsen3409]

"We have used ambiguous terms at the council and afterwards we shall know how to interpret them." This was the attitude by those responsible for the Council and someone, I can't remember who, maybe Annibale Bugnini, actually was quoted saying it. This was found in Bugnini's Council correspondence, he said that, " we would go from council meetings and lie to the pope and then we would go to the council from the pope and lie to the council. So much for being guided by the Holy Spirit.

[@mosesaudu1734]

"We have used ambiguous terms during the Council and we know how we shall interpret them afterwards." Fr Edward Schillebeeckx

[@oberonmichaels4121]

The glowing reference to Cardinal Francis Spellman is interesting. "Frannie" as he was known, was a voracious homosexual, who was muich favoured by the Vatican because of his tremendous ability to raise funds. Spellman was the man who, out of sheer spite, put America's greatest and most effective public evangelist, Fulton Sheen, off the air - a puerile act of cutting off one's nose to spite one's face, as Sheen had brought many people into the Catholic Church.

[@cindiloowhoo1166]

I love Bishop Fulton Sheen, even before I was Catholic…. May God distribute the appropriate amount of 💩 on Spellman’s head….

[@ryanscottlogan8459]

He might have been gay but he was the best Archbishop NYC ever had!❤️

[@oberonmichaels4121]

@@ryanscottlogan8459 Finanically he was, Like former Cardinal McCarrick, Spellman was very effective fund raiser. However, one can ask many potential future donors to the church were lost because of Spellman's curtailing of Fulton Sheen's evangelism.

[@ryanscottlogan8459]

@@oberonmichaels4121 You cannot compare McCarrick and Spellman.Cardinal Spellman build convents,schools and churches through out NYC.He traveled around the world year in and year out doing the work of the Church.Take it from me.Don’t judge books by their cover.Sometimes the priests you think are the holiest are the most wicked.Don’t be fooled.BTW if anyone is a closet case it is Pope Francis.

[@patriciamathews5975]

Dear faithful Catholics. Please wake up!! Please try to remember when the Faith passed down was guarded & treasured. Remember the foundation stone could not be moved or changed. Christ, is the same yesterday, today and forever! But change for change sake came in. "New & Improved" was stamped onto new " discoveries", new science. New, new, new! Now what! Oh, gay blessings, lay priests, modernity du jour. Do what you want. If you don't hold onto the Faith of Catholic tradition, you only have diabolical disorientation.

[@paperclip612]

Very well said! The smoke of Satan is billowing all around us.

[@celiabuttigieg]

Yes, the strategy in the church and in society is to create confusion and distress on purpose. Fear and distress create little whirlwinds and people are thrown in every direction and fail to form a cohesive push back against the evil that is so manifestly happening.

[@sheetalsilveira9554]

Loved it..loved it..loved it.. May Our Blessed Lord bless you both abundantly! A big thank you from Perth, Western Australia 🙏

[@urbietorbicommunications]

Our pleasure!

[@paperclip612]

And from New Zealand!

[@RevelwithaCause]

Thank you, so Valuable!! Witness of the glory of the Church that was a daily Reality up until the 1970's when the Authoritative structure Collapsed. My mom was raised mostly by Polish nuns who ran the girls Orphanage St. Stanislaus in Nanticoke, PA. I now attend the TLM, the Mass of the Ages... Same one my Mom grew up w in the 1940s and 50s. So Connected to my Mom even tho she died over 30 years ago, tragically when I was 17.

[@urbietorbicommunications]

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[@BronxCat]

So diabolical what happened to Our Church

[@jjpc4549]

Thank you for your series of talks. Very informative 🙏❤️

[@linasbar6951]

the documents were very vague. In some of them they made comments to the effect that the Church holds muslims, jews and other faiths in high esteem? that seems to differ greatly from historical church teaching. seems like the council was off target and so were the documents.. and both led to making changes possible

[@amynote]

Love you guys, keep the truth coming!

[@marvinaloysuis5827]

God Bless you Robert and Father Murr for your unceasing mission to spread the truth and living the truth in Charity. You both are like Saint Francis de Sales who wants to help all Catholics live out the faith by learning, knowing, and loving God’s precepts and commands through Holy Mother Church. May God continue to guide you and protect you both to be not only a beacon of hope to the lost and confused but also be fishers of men in the barque of Saint Peter where Christ has commissioned you. Have a Blessed Merry Christmas to you both and to everyone at Urbi et Orbi communications and a Blessed Happy New Years. Semper Fidelis Ad Crucem Christi!

[@sandie157]

At all Latin masses the readings and gospel are read in the vernacular just before the sermon so I don't know what Father Murr is going on about. There is no need for the readings to be in the vernacular prior to that because that interrupts the beauty and the flow of the service .

[@KenDelloSandro7565]

Agreed. Pray for the good Padre because it's very difficult to break away from a lifetime of being completely malformed in philosophy, theology, morality etc. He's been engulfed and participated in the modernist heresy his entire Priesthood and look how far he has come. Fr M is almost there,better late than never. +May God Bless him and Our Lady Keep him. Amen.

[@pavelrazamazov2672]

Why read them twice though?

[@eb4203]

Once to God. Once for our benefit. The Mass is a sacrifice prayed TO God.

[@billzupancic4863]

Being just a couple of years older than Fr. Murr, and having lived through Vatican II and the ensuing years, his analysis is so 'eye opening' as to how everything 'went off the rails' - lack of leadership. Instead, the faithful were forcced to just watch it all implode as each new 'novelty' - as Ratzinger once pointed out - combined to a most devastating effect. I was just too young, too inexperienced and too greatly overwhelmed to make any sense of it at the time. The exodus of the religious and the laity, as Father points out, was one for the Index of Leading Catholic Indicators - devastating. What was certain at the time was that it just didn't seem right. It was as though everything that we'd been taught was just thrown out the windows that John XXIII wanted to 'open to the modern world.' The 'aggiornamento'/renewal was anything but! These interviews with Fr. Murr are just the best. We can't thank you enough for bringing Father's witness to the history books. Oremus!

[@paperclip612]

TOTALLY AGREE. It was always a mystery to me back then how unready the priests were.

[@josephmclaughlin9404]

I continually hear the proponents of the council say …we won’t know the effects until the results are seen??…but what I believe, anyone with a brain and faith in the trinity could see that you do not mess with God’s provision but that is exactly what the hierarchy of the council did when they voted to change the Mass of the Ages! Most of us in the pews at that time had never experienced anything like this and at the time we were too young and inexperienced to take exception. The destruction of the faith had to be the intention.

[@jemill65]

Sorry about your father, my mother passed away the same year. I love your videos keep them coming.

[@urbietorbicommunications]

James.. thank you for your comment.

[@johnwollschlager9827]

And yet, I've gotten into heated discussions where the V. Councils and subsequent changes are championed as a great success. "You will know them by the fruits of their labours." The blind will not see. Glad I shook the dust from my sandals and left that place of error.

[@Travis1365]

Another excellent discussion. God bless these men.

[@josephmclaughlin9404]

Early on, Father Murr states…”in reading the Vatican II documents I could find nothing wrong”. That may be true but the real issue is were they needed! The real problem in the 20th century church, was and is how modernism is manifesting itself in the church. The preaching of men/priests/ like deChardin, and George Terrell needed to be dissected and condemned at the highest levels in the church with excommunications. A language that also could be used to relate the message of the deposit of faith and other magisterial issues but maintaining dogma. But we all now know that’s not what Happened.

[@paperclip612]

That's a very good question; WHY was V2 held at all??? As Far as I can tell it's been DOWNHILL AL THE WAY since then.

[@TradCat1970]

Jesus gave us his life and we can’t go get a missal so we can understand the readings in Latin!? Really!! For two thousand years the traditional Mass produced so many holy saints and we want to deviate out of sloth!? Redonkulous

[@paperclip612]

Absolutely, the Missal was ALWAYS in two languages - ines own, whatever it was - AND IN LATIN. When I was in school, a boarding school, run by nuns, where most children were non-Catholic, it is remarkable looking back that ALL of us were brought up IN THE CATHOLIC FAITH with the full knowledge and acceptance of ALL PARENTS.

[@michellelococo4023]

I will be watching and wish I could be there "live".🙏

[@urbietorbicommunications]

Thank you!

[@christopherk222]

Buried & forgotten: Paul VI's Creed (June 1968)

[@peppacorcoran1314]

God Bless u Fr and u

[@charityfyock9928]

BUGNINI HAPPENED, left in disgrace,as he should have...little to late ...almost, the gates of hell shall not prevail against Gods Church

[@adrianazalcedworak1814]

What was the reason for communion in the hand?

[@pavelrazamazov2672]

I believe it was allowed as an indult for some countries, but it got out of hand and spread worldwide. Apparently the norm is still communion on the tongue in the Roman Rite.

[@adrianazalcedworak1814]

@@pavelrazamazov2672 Thank you for replying. But what was the need to do that? Did anybody think communion in the tongue was unsanitary? Or what was the excuse?

[@pavelrazamazov2672]

@@adrianazalcedworak1814 I don’t remember, but Fr Chris Alar did a talk on it. I’d recommend that you look it up, if you are really interested in this topic.

[@adrianazalcedworak1814]

@@pavelrazamazov2672 Thank you!

[@mollyfinnmshl737]

Question: I attend Holy Mass every day but Latin rite Masses are rare and hard to find. Please clarify that this Novus Ordo is indeed valid. My husband and I attended Latin Mass and by the grace of God, his funeral included a beautiful Requiem Mass. I am in Florida and across the street is a Catholic church. I was so happy I could indeed attend Mass every day. I lived through the 60s and I still have my faith. FYI I had a dear friend who was a nun. After the implementation of Vatican II, No longer could she wear her habit, pray 5 plus times a day with her sisters, and many other holy habits. She left her very first love, and entered into the world. It was a disaster and very painful until she recovered and began to live the lay life in a good parish. (Novus Ordo) I personally heard priest say. "No more Fulton Sheen, no more rosaries..."

[@MG-nv7er]

Nuns in the schools were in the world and converted much of it through their teaching mission. Parents relied on the faith, many didn’t know in its fullness, being taught to their children. Critics of ‘women’ teaching children fail to understand how important these ‘women’ who became nuns were to forming what society was. My sisters, Dominican nuns, were great until they became ‘woke’m from Vatican II. High school was Immaculate Heart of Mary IHM nuns and I don’t remember a thing about my religion classes except for the Bible we used being grey with red and black lettering. Pretty damn sad if I say so myself. God bless those poor women now who chose the Habit and wedding ring of Christ. They are few and far between and usually cloistered or consoling. Certainly not teaching in our woke joke catholic schools.

[@paperclip612]

I second your remarks very strongly. I was educated and virtually brought up by nuns in a boarding school environment where most of the students were non catholic but were specifically sent to the Catholic nuns to be educated because of the excellence of the totality of the education we received.

[@newsouthviceroy9078]

Just discovered you guys today, very much enjoyed the show!

[@urbietorbicommunications]

Thank you for watching!

[@minorityvoice9253]

The epistle and the Gospel is always said in the vernacular at the pulpit. Just before the homily.

[@minorityvoice9253]

The liturgy was corrupted, because the changes were to emulate the changes made by protestants to their liturgies. Vernacular, bread and wine in 2 forms, tables instead of altars, versus populum, no altar rails, and a reduction in language that emohasises the propitious act of the liturgy. The reduction of sacrifice of Calvary as being made present during the mass and an emphasis on the second coming, until He comes again. Noone ever talks about the chabge to the mystery of faith as detailed in the consecration. The old is the pouring out of His blood for the remission of sins the new is we proclaim your death and profess resurrection until you come again. Well He is present right there in the Eucharist, why woukd we look forward to the end of time when He is really and truly present at that moment? Those liturgies also reduced the role of the celebrant minimizing the inportance of the priesthood.

[@paperclip612]

I vote we disavow ALL CHANGES promulgated by Vatican2.

[@zdogg8]

You need an editor, ten minutes to get to the "meat." That's WAY too long. Start with the GIST - lay out a couple of basic premises/arguments, in the FIRST 30-60 seconds, go back, give some background, THEN you advertisements, then make your buttressing points. Your material is very good, btw, a great guest.

[@zdogg8]

I know how to ff to get to the point, Others aren't going to do that.

[@zdogg8]

Also, its good to describe symptoms, (quoting stats) but MOST people interested in this topic KNOW all about that. What this same audience wants is YOUR TAKE on THE underlying causes. And that should be stated right up front, and then go into the support for that premise. THEN get into the tall weeds. You are both starting with endless descriptions of the problems we all know about.

[@MrPatrick34]

Isle of Mann is in Irish Sea not English Chanel.

[@JavierSalcedoC]

Second law of Conquest applies to everything and everyone

[@davidniedjaco9869]

I agree with most everything Father Murr says..I do disagree in where he said we are born in innocence..maybe he misspoke or maybe he believes this, but we are not born in innocence..we are born in original sin, the sin of Adam, and for most of Church history, upto and including now, whether or not it's believed in praxis, the Church has aways and still believes children are born under the dominion of Satan, which is part of the reason to baptize infants, because, traditionally, even though that's a bad word now, the Church has taught that unbaptized infants go to hell..whether that is the hell of the damned like Augustine taught, or the edge of Hell, Limbo, like for most of Church history has been taught..which I tend to agree with the later..that is Limbo

[@flightattendantangela7248]

I wish the SSPX stayed with the pre 1955 Misal. I was in search of a true Latin Mass and ended up in SSPV. I am not necessarily a Sede, but I am being taught the TRUE FAITH where I am. (Raised in NO and always felt it wasn’t any different than episcopal or Lutheran services) I always wondered what was so special about Catholicism. Ummmm Transubstantiation? It is not taught nor is communion in the hand treating Eucharist as our Lord. I attended SSPX for a period, but found the liturgy too modern. My Missal said KNEEL, at the Sanctus. I did. But, I was the only one. Very confusing I believe in Garabandal. I have been there. It is the 3rd Secret of Fatima, which was a warning to not change our liturgy nor treat the Eucharist like a cookie Nor have laymen touching it!

[@dlw3425]

10 minutes in and the topic isn't addressed. Intro chit chat is rather long and unnecessary.

[@susancan2939]

The Catholic church will forever be the Church that Jesus Christ our Lord founded no matter what the pope does or the cardinals, etc. Our Lord Jesus is a very patient spouse and God the Father will do the cleaning up of the Catholic church whenever He wants to. Human beings have no right to judge the whole Catholic church as from the devil because if you do so then you are putting judgement on our Lord Jesus Christ as Jesus Christ told St Paul in Damascus, "why are you persecuting me?".

[@jjjkenny]

At the TLM last Sunday, the homily was about the dangers of attending SSPX Masses!

[@garyolsen3409]

What are the dangers?

[@janetskordi176]

Gosh what an uncharitable priest, He must be perfect therefore let him throw the first stone, You wouldn't be attending the TLM had the Archbishop of the society not stood up for the true faith.

[@javaman8895]

Does he feel threatened by the good work the SSPX is doing?

[@asimpleuser123]

Let us think: the pope went to a weird pagan indigenous ceremony and they are saying that it is dangerous to go to an sspx mass?

[@azbasshead]

The dangers are being spiritually fed true orthodox Catholicism

[@dansimpson6844]

Please turn off your e-mail notification sounds prior to the next video.

[@solibeata6642]

It is important to recognize what Jesus said. “You are in the world not of it.” the moment that John the 23rd through open the windows, the world and satan and his minions rushed in. The point is the church is made up of three parts. The church triumphant, the church suffering, and the church militant. The suffering and the triumphant, do not have to deal now with the times of militancy. In the history of societies, those that live their life in peace, and as a unit generally stayed intact. They protected their families their society only when necessary. The Evangelization of the world was achieved prior to Vatican II. That Evangelization pretty much suffered after Vatican II. Most, if not all missionary societies do not exist today and we’ve come to a point in the church, where Evangelization is no longer necessary, everyone is saved.

[@LUIS-ox1bv]

You get it! Your post is quite correct in its assertion, which I agree with. The Church decided to open itself to the world in a time of great social, religious, and political upheaval. A time of tremendous change and revolt. That spirit of change infected many in the Church. Allowing the Church to be swayed by the wild swings of the world spelled trouble for a Church built on the rock of revealed truth and sacred tradition. The Council in fact actually encouraged the secularization that was infiltrating and weakening the Church, prior to the Council.

[@paperclip612]

So, why was V2 held at all?

[@susancan2939]

The Novos ordo is fine with me, some Catholics like the Latin mass but for me I like to feel/ think of each word said in the mass because every words said in the MASS are very meaningful from the asking for forgiveness at the beginning of the MASS to the Blessing given by the Priest at the end of the mass. Every word said in the mass if you close your eyes are very meaningful. The only thing I hope they do is put back what Father Murr had said they took out during Consecration which was from the offering of the best lamb to God in the old testament to offering Jesus as the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. It might be a long one for the priest to say during consecration but every Catholic should hear it because those are the proof that Jesus is our perfect sacrifice to offer to God the Father.

[@eb4203]

The NO “Mass” is really protestantized. It’s very very close to the Anglican service which basically removed the sacrifice.

[@ruthmaryrose]

Thank you for the discussion. This is the first time I’ve seen your podcast. I was in high school during Vatican II and related to what was being said. I cannot, however, agree that Archbishop Lefebvre did the right thing. He should have just accepted John Paul II’s concessions. The unity of the Church is paramount.

[@cindiloowhoo1166]

Is it, really? You think we should all unite under Bergoglio? I just read where he ordered books and papers of Pope Benedict be torn up and burned. I had so much respect, God forgive me, for Joseph Bernadine. unbefreakinglievable!

[@ruthmaryrose]

@@cindiloowhoo1166 Not under Bergoglio, but in spite of him.

[@ryanscottlogan8459]

Wrong.

[@paperclip612]

Totally disagree! And now, we are beginning to realise just how correct the SSPX are.