What Happened To The MOL Comfort?

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@CasualNavigation
@CasualNavigation 10 ай бұрын
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@Rorywizz
@Rorywizz 10 ай бұрын
snap
@minanminan9484
@minanminan9484 10 ай бұрын
I will!
@Splarkszter
@Splarkszter 10 ай бұрын
CHINESE SPYWARE shame Have some standards. You are unethical.
@MrNicoJac
@MrNicoJac 10 ай бұрын
@Casual Navigation Can you please explain why it is not routine practice to measure the weight of every container when it's being picked up by a loading crane in port? It seems not-that-hard to read out how much force the crane needs to use 🤔🤷🏻‍♂️
@lbnesquik3114
@lbnesquik3114 10 ай бұрын
While I understand the need for sponsors, I gotta say, it's a bit of a long one.
@greeneyesms
@greeneyesms 10 ай бұрын
It seems to me the giant cranes could somehow closely estimate the weight of a container and staff could compare that to the declared weight, thus eliminating this as a factor. Even a retrofit of the cranes is less costly than a ship going down.
@jort93z
@jort93z 10 ай бұрын
probably could, but the ports don't pay for the ships going down, lol.
@Metaphysician2
@Metaphysician2 10 ай бұрын
The problem, as I understand it, is that the ports are different organizations owned by different people than the cargo lines. They don't have a direct incentive to help avoid freighter loss, because they aren't *their* freighters.
@j_taylor
@j_taylor 10 ай бұрын
Besides just installing load cells or the like in a crane, it would have to be regularly calibrated and inspected. Not insurmountable, but it adds ongoing costs to the crane operator which, as others noted, wouldn't directly benefit. (I have read that cranes do have sensors to avoid overloading the crane itself, but that can be as simple as "warn if over X tonnes" rather than an actual number.)
@greeneyesms
@greeneyesms 10 ай бұрын
@@jort93z Randomly divert containers to scales, like highway trucking weigh stations. If the container is overweight by x%, the fine is so painful they actually care starting 10 minutes later. Whether it is the port authority, crane operator, whomever, financial pain brings change.
@LenKusov
@LenKusov 10 ай бұрын
The easiest retrofit would be to put a scale on the container forklifts that take them off the trucks and train cars, instead of the loading cranes, cause a simple pressure gauge calibrated to the size of the lift pistons in the forklifts has been used to weigh palletized cargo since forever. All you need is a T fitting into the hose, a pressure transducer, and the info off the pistons' data plates. Cranes are harder cause that's an electromechanical block-and-tackle, with multiple lift points and pulleys and such that'd all need their own load cells and a lot of math to be accurate, but forklifts with hydraulics are a 20 minute retrofit. Just have the longshoremen amend the bill of lading for each container with the actual gross tonnage measured upon transloading, instead of just taking everything at face value.
@minanminan9484
@minanminan9484 10 ай бұрын
Im amazed how the two halfs stayed afloat for so long!
@ShadowFox178
@ShadowFox178 10 ай бұрын
There is video footage of the two halves floating after everyone is rescued. The crew recorded the incident.
@trr94001
@trr94001 10 ай бұрын
Those were some pretty tough bulkheads.
@ShadowFox178
@ShadowFox178 10 ай бұрын
@@trr94001 it's really surreal to see two halves of a ship floating.
@ethribin4188
@ethribin4188 10 ай бұрын
Modrtn ship engineering. Every single section of a ship is designed to stay afloat. So it makes sense that a seperation would keep the ship floating for a long time.
@generolmatt4
@generolmatt4 10 ай бұрын
How is it possible they stayed afloat so long? Is it the compartments being sealed? Seems incredible with the ship in two that they could stay afloat. Because it's not as if it would be a perfect break I would imagine it would damage the rest of the ship and twist it.
@projectarduino2295
@projectarduino2295 10 ай бұрын
The fact the ship SPLIT IN HALF and still floated for and average of a week more before sinking is a testimony to the engineering, even if it had its faults.
@judet2992
@judet2992 5 ай бұрын
Haha sealed bulkheads go brrrrrrr
@indridcold8433
@indridcold8433 2 ай бұрын
The faults were likely more with the loading crew being harassed and threatened to overload the ship and get it out to see as soon as possible. Bosses are always the most greedy, incompetent, hateful, liars and will force those under them to do the wrong things in order to maximise profit at any sacrifice.
@stoicshield
@stoicshield 10 ай бұрын
A litte off topic: I bought one of the plushy captains a while back for my dad and his wife who go on cruises, sort of as their mascot and reserve captain. A little while ago they went on a cruise around the world with him and are taking photos every now and then. They had him with them during boarding and people loved him😁
@JoshuaC923
@JoshuaC923 10 ай бұрын
That's pretty cool
@paradoxial1865
@paradoxial1865 10 ай бұрын
This isn't very typical, you see, there are some ships where the front isn't designed to fall off at all. As for what materials they're made of, cardboard is out, that's for sure
@aufbau-seitsechzehnnullzwo8045
@aufbau-seitsechzehnnullzwo8045 10 ай бұрын
Was expecting to find this the highest rated comment.
@grozaphy
@grozaphy 10 ай бұрын
ships typically arent designed to sink. generally, they float in one piece
@ElenarMT
@ElenarMT 10 ай бұрын
But was she in the environment, or was she then towed out of the environment?
@servus6267
@servus6267 10 ай бұрын
This has to be the top comment
@mirzaahmed6589
@mirzaahmed6589 10 ай бұрын
What is the minimum crew requirement?
@doggonemess1
@doggonemess1 10 ай бұрын
It's heartwarming to hear that the owners of the ships actually upgraded them to prevent the same thing happening again. Too often with these stories, warnings are ignored and history repeats itself.
@alveolate
@alveolate 10 ай бұрын
in this case, they had half a billion in insurance money to prevent any further losses in future (which the insurance company would likely consider necessary for liability).
@grahamsell3863
@grahamsell3863 10 ай бұрын
As someone in the industry, I can tell you it happens more often than you might realize, it’s just you only ever hear about the owners who don’t put the necessary work into their ships.
@doggonemess1
@doggonemess1 10 ай бұрын
@@grahamsell3863 Makes sense - it's only the outliers that get noticed. The ones that take care of their equipment and hire good crews just carry on operating normally for the life of the ship.
@AndrewBrowner
@AndrewBrowner 10 ай бұрын
gotta make em so the front dont fall off.. no one told them that cardboard was out!
@mrvwbug4423
@mrvwbug4423 10 ай бұрын
It's possible the insurance companies made the structural upgrades a condition for keeping those ships insurable for future voyages. And they would've had sufficient money from the insurance payout to upgrade the sister ships even though the company would only have received the payout for the ship, the payout for the cargo would go to the owners of the cargo.
@ironcito1101
@ironcito1101 10 ай бұрын
How can they just rely on someone's word as to the weight of the containers? It seems to be common practice to under-report the weight, so I'm guessing the people declaring the weight have an economic incentive to declare less weight. It's insane to just trust their word when safety is at stake.
@antoy384
@antoy384 10 ай бұрын
Because it has worked for 99.9% of the ships in 2013? It’s cynical but a few wreckages here and there don’t create enough of an incentive for things to change.
@ironcito1101
@ironcito1101 10 ай бұрын
@@antoy384 In this case, half a billion in lost merchandise alone, plus the ship itself, compensation to eventual victims and whatnot. Besides, if people under-report weight, it's because they're trying to pay less in shipping fees, taxes or something. Therefore, someone is getting less money than they should. How hard can it be to weigh the containers? At least roughly.
@Jehty_
@Jehty_ 10 ай бұрын
half a billion out of 8000 billion or so every year. Loosing one ship every few years is a drop in the bucket. @@ironcito1101
@Curt_Sampson
@Curt_Sampson 10 ай бұрын
@@antoy384 You've got the general idea, but that 99.9% figure is rather low. In 2013 the total number of containers carried on ships worldwide was somewhere between 43.7 million TEUs (2010) and 52.5 million TEUs (2015). Let's call it 45 million. In 2013 there were less than 6000 containers lost, including all those on the _MOL Comfort,_ so even assuming the figure in the video is 40-foot containers (2 TEUs each), we're still looking at this working for around 99.99% (ten times fewer than your figure), in a year where the total number of containers cost was around three times that of any year in the decade before or the decade after.
@mrvwbug4423
@mrvwbug4423 10 ай бұрын
I'm honestly surprised that the loading cranes at the ports don't have the ability to weigh the containers they're lifting. Even beyond safety, you'd think the shipping company and the ports would want an accurate weight to ensure the correct shipping charges and taxes are paid.
@kukajin9560
@kukajin9560 10 ай бұрын
I'm sure many have heard of it if they're chronically online, but this incident instantly made me think of the foundering of the MV Arvin. the MV Arvin was originally designed as a river freighter in the 70's and wasn't meant to handle blue water conditions like high waves. it eventually broke apart, on video, due to its lack of hull reinforcement almost completely amidships. i know they aren't similar circumstances since the Comfort was built to handle ocean transits but hull fracturing and poor weight distribution seems to be the biggest non-crew related issue on the waters today
@Triggernlfrl
@Triggernlfrl 20 күн бұрын
Arvin was desinged as a coaster altough with limited sea area. Sailed on a similar Dutch coaster and we where a little jelous on the east european counterparts because they did not sail above BF 7. So they have more time to go out for a beer...
@Fortified-Star-Margarine
@Fortified-Star-Margarine 10 ай бұрын
Love it how the 2 parts of the ship just, chill, to their death.
@peterj5106
@peterj5106 10 ай бұрын
Strange idea of chilling!.... Getting battered by a storm & catching fire.
@carsonneal
@carsonneal 10 ай бұрын
sounds like a relaxing saturday night to me@@peterj5106
@madpod5
@madpod5 10 ай бұрын
nice to hear that all the crew survived! seems like all the focus on safety pays off
@spiercephotography
@spiercephotography 10 ай бұрын
What a fascinating look at what happened to her! I do a lot of containership watching. So glad her crew was OK and safe. And actually sort of impressed that they stayed afloat as long as they did!
@dingus153
@dingus153 10 ай бұрын
I don't get how containers aren't accurately weighed individually before being loaded, seems like a massive oversight within the shipping industry
@06.arkan2a2
@06.arkan2a2 9 ай бұрын
Its probably to long to weight all of them or its not cost effective
@pikedriver
@pikedriver 7 ай бұрын
They are all weighed before loading. If not, they could would easily raise the center of gravity to the point of capsizing. The cranes used to load the containers also electronically record the weight to be included on the shipping documents…
@diegovd7215
@diegovd7215 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for the unique content, great animations and well researched explanations! :)
@chrisf4659
@chrisf4659 5 ай бұрын
Love the "Safety First" Sign on the Napoli model.
@idaho_girl
@idaho_girl 10 ай бұрын
Perhaps chronic overloading with over-weight containers is the explanation for the buckling in the sister ships.
@kayakingrivers7394
@kayakingrivers7394 10 ай бұрын
I’m starting to wonder why containers aren’t put on a scale before being loaded on board, since it seems misreported weights of containers is such an issue
@kooky45
@kooky45 10 ай бұрын
Can you explain how a container can be loaded onto a ship without it's true weight being known? I would have thought the cranes were monitoring the weights and they know which container is which so they can pick and place them correctly. Thanks, really like your videos.
@jort93z
@jort93z 10 ай бұрын
The cranes don't monitor the weight. Shipper just reports the weight to the port and carrier.
@bowez9
@bowez9 10 ай бұрын
​@@jort93zall moblie and construction cranes do.
@j_taylor
@j_taylor 10 ай бұрын
Crane operators don't care the precise weight of their load, as long as it's safe for the crane to lift. Maybe if ships paid extra to get reports of exact weight, they'd do it. Hmm. A report would tell you only after the fact. You'd need to give the crane operator precise weights before, with instructions what to do if a container deviates from the listed weight. Which might slow down loading because the load is planned on the listed weights, so if that changes then you might have to change the load plan during loading. Maybe it just costs more to weigh containers at the point of loading than the way it's done now.
@196cupcake
@196cupcake 10 ай бұрын
Can't rule out cheating or smuggling, but I'm sure the ship bakes in a buffer, knowing that some containers will weigh a little more than declared. No one cares if a single container is ~5% over weight, but if all are 5% over weight then you could end up over loading the ship.
@bowez9
@bowez9 10 ай бұрын
@@196cupcake that's were the cranes having load cells and logging it per ship would make sense.
@onik7000
@onik7000 10 ай бұрын
Just for you to know - Opera VPN is blocked by Opera in many countries. So it's not VPN for freedom of information, it's VPN for right people only.... like it's 1950 in america again.
@burntsider8457
@burntsider8457 10 ай бұрын
Good storytelling with meaningful animations. Wouldn't the displacement post-loading have told the crew that the ship was overloaded?
@ayaderg
@ayaderg 10 ай бұрын
the issue with displacement is that it's not 100% accurate, and it depends on many different factors beyond just cargo weight
@phantomsplit3491
@phantomsplit3491 10 ай бұрын
If I could perhaps recommend a casualty for you to take a look at, maybe try the Stolt Groenland? No loss of life thankfully but there was a huge fireball captured on multiple camera angles. I know you use the animated art style for your video and it does a good job at instructional demonstration, but once you see that fireball go over the bridge I am sure you will want to include the raw footage and make a video on the topic. Cause of the casualty was inadvertent overheating of monostryrene cargo, causing the added inhibitor to break down. Without inhibitor the cargo was able to react with itself, creating an exothermic reaction (heat) that also gave off hydrogen gas. Once the PV valve blew open and the hot hydrogen hit the oxygen in the air, ship go boom
@PolishSpartan22
@PolishSpartan22 10 ай бұрын
I love your channel, but the fact that you don't know what an aria is is incredible. Opera:aria::concert:song
@robbabcock_
@robbabcock_ 10 ай бұрын
Fascinating case! It's remarkable that the two halves floated for almost two weeks!
@TheClintonio
@TheClintonio 10 ай бұрын
Your videos are so well researched. Thank you.
@stuffy2757
@stuffy2757 10 ай бұрын
The most important thing is everyone made it out alive and im very glad they did. Its a terrifying way to go.
@MedicplayingCSGO
@MedicplayingCSGO 8 ай бұрын
Your videos help me explain a lot of things to my 9th grade students. Thankies.
@slyfoxx2973
@slyfoxx2973 10 ай бұрын
When the half in tow caught fire and sank this story started to sound like an episode of Fawlty Towers.
@chrish5791
@chrish5791 10 ай бұрын
With computer tracking of containers how hard could it be to run the tractor/container chassis across a scale on the way into the dock/storage yard giving a nearly actual weight of each container? If it was done correctly the tractor with the container chassis and container wouldn’t even have to slow down with in motion weighing and the weight data could be associated with that container via a computer program.
@Lucius_Chiaraviglio
@Lucius_Chiaraviglio 10 ай бұрын
Another lesson that port security needs drastic improvement, including verification that containers really match their declared weight, along with any other practical verification of contents (because some very bad things can be smuggled in them, eventually including a nuclear weapon).
@jamesengland7461
@jamesengland7461 10 ай бұрын
You wouldn't need a false weight to smuggle a nuke; just lie about the contents.
@Lucius_Chiaraviglio
@Lucius_Chiaraviglio 10 ай бұрын
@@jamesengland7461 Yes -- that's why I added "any other practical verification of contents".
@nagato9645
@nagato9645 10 ай бұрын
So on the subject of ships splitting in half, what movie is that which has a cargo ship that splits in half while going through a serious winter storm, and the crew is asleep or something like that, then they find out half the ship is just gone. They send out a distress call, and a boat is dispatched to rescue the remaining crew of the ship, but takes a while to get there. Meanwhile the crew are fighting to keep their half of the ship afloat in rough weather, water slowly rising endlessly, eventually overcoming the bilge pumps and flooding the engine, causing them to lose power. they manage to ground their ship on a big rock or something temporarily, but without power to fight the currents, the ship slowly slips back into the sea. After the ship loses power, there's a scene where the remaining crew climb overboard but have to jump into the water since the ladder or whatever they used (can't remember) only goes to the waterline. One guy unfortunately doesn't make it to the lifeboat/liferaft (again, can't remember) and ends up hitting his head on the propeller and becoming unalive. The rescue boat finally arrives but on the return trip, the compass breaks. The town they were returning to was also experiencing a power out due to the winter storm at some point after the rescue vessel left, so the people bring their cars to the dock/edge of town facing the water. At some point one lady (in a relationship with the guy piloting the rescue boat or something like that) turns her headlights on, and soon everyone else follows her example. All the while she's praying for the safe return of the man piloting the rescue boat with no compass, and radio troubles along the return trip. Eventually they make it back to the town and a huge celebration takes place when power is restored honoring the man's bravery
@SteinGauslaaStrindhaug
@SteinGauslaaStrindhaug 10 ай бұрын
It's weird that the containers aren't automatically weighed at several spots in the loading process. It shouldn't be too costly to add load sensors to the cranes and verify that the container weighs the the same as it's declared. Because presumably there's already a computerised system in place to pick the right container and load them in the correct location based on it's declared weight, and the cranes probably already have load sensors to detect overload situations, so unless these are very binary overloaded / not overloaded toggles, the load data might already be available. And while making the system would certainly cost something; they should also be able to save or make a lot of money on it too. If they knew exactly the weight of containers, they could also make money by fining those who cheat and declare a too low weight, and you could load the ships more accurately so you could presumably have the loading be more balanced requiring less ballast, and you could arrange the lighter and heavier containers such that the ship is balanced with the containers arranged to minimise drag and wind effects leading to more efficient sailing. And finally, since lying about container is apparently rampant; the ships loading plan must presumably be made with a large percentage margin of error (or they risk overloading the ship) so presumably with a more accurate weight they could on average load more on to the ship than if they just have to assume every container might be 20% overweight or whatever they do now.
@mathisdetremmerie9309
@mathisdetremmerie9309 10 ай бұрын
Amazing video! I would love a video detailing the heemslift herdrika disaster, because a lot of things went wrong there!
@bertbaker7067
@bertbaker7067 10 ай бұрын
Idk if fishing boats typically go out as far as where the ship broke up, but i bet every captain who could get there and thru the storm was out there doing a shipping container Easter egg hunt. Finder's keepers, babyyyy.
@Croz89
@Croz89 7 ай бұрын
Unlikely. Containers are a hazard to small boats, and even if you snag one, it's unlikely to be worth the cost for a 10% salvage fee since it could be anything from machine parts to low value dry chemicals. But considering where it sank, finders keepers is probably the case since I doubt Somalian fishermen care about international maritime law.
@MrBirdnose
@MrBirdnose 10 ай бұрын
Reminded me of the Daniel J. Morrell, a Great Lakes freighter that broke in half and sank, but not before the stern, still under power, nearly ran down a lifeboat launched from the bow.
@jamesrodgers3132
@jamesrodgers3132 10 ай бұрын
Q1. Just how many containers would have to be mis-declared to put a ship over? Are there no margins of error? Q2 (unanswerable). Just how big were those two "particularly big" waves in this case? Rogue waves would be an interesting topic for a video.
@Quasihamster
@Quasihamster 10 ай бұрын
Why did the containers suddenly catch fire, all by themselves apparently?
@jort93z
@jort93z 10 ай бұрын
Maybe the water caused a short circuit somewhere.
@bluesbest1
@bluesbest1 10 ай бұрын
As ships rock in the water, the cargo experiences friction. Sometimes that friction is enough to make flammable material catch fire. It's part of why fuel is always supposed to be emptied out of motors before the machinery gets shipped.
@j_taylor
@j_taylor 10 ай бұрын
We don't know that the containers caught fire by themselves. They were on a ship, which had electrical stuff, and salt water where it wasn't intended do be.
@MrNicoJac
@MrNicoJac 10 ай бұрын
​@@j_taylor True. But surely all electronic systems were de-powered when the section with the engine broke off? 🤔 I still don't see how either friction could lead to a fire on an abandoned ship, nor how a detached electric system could short circuit (intensely enough to set a fire) Even if a container with an electric car or a tonne of batteries fell of the highest stack right onto the deck, I'd be surprised if a cell got pierced/damaged enough to ignite...
@arcanealchemist3190
@arcanealchemist3190 10 ай бұрын
​@MrNicoJac then you'd be suprised often! these ships and containers are made of metal. metal sparks and creates hot shavings of metal when they scrape against eachother. if any one of those hot shavings hits something flammable, you now have a fire. lithium batteries are also notorious for catching fire on their own during transit, and this is for good reason. all it takes to create thermal runaway on a lithium battery is to short it, which can be done in a lot of ways. bend it in half, poke a hole in it with metal, get it wet...and once one catches fire, it burns hot enough to short any other batteries nearby. also, remember those engineering pipes from the start of the video? they're called "pipes" because they move fluid. particularly, they move fuel. so you can bet there was at least SOME fuel that got where it shouldn't when the vessel...yknow...snapped in half. it's not surprising at all that under these extreme circumstances it caught fire, if you know and consider all the ways fire can happen in this situation.
@the_undead
@the_undead 10 ай бұрын
The ship might not have been overloaded but with a structure weaker than anticipated and containers heavier than expected, but not outside of legal limits with some waves that were a little stronger than what the weather report said, That could also have been what happened here, I am no nautical engineer but this sounds plausible
@thickwristmcfist3399
@thickwristmcfist3399 10 ай бұрын
Another great video! Thanks!
@GhostOfLorelei
@GhostOfLorelei 10 ай бұрын
Doubt I'm the only one asking, but you should do the one where the front fell off. I need to know if it's true that there was no cardboard or cardboard derivatives.
@frogbear02
@frogbear02 10 ай бұрын
as long as its towed out of the environment its fine
@dimitartodorov1352
@dimitartodorov1352 10 ай бұрын
Wonder what happened to the captain after this. These are the things that scare me the most when I think of becoming a captain
@karl0ssus1
@karl0ssus1 10 ай бұрын
Probably a long and boring series of interviews with the company, insurers and maritime authorities, and then eventually a return to duty.
@ShadowDragon8685
@ShadowDragon8685 10 ай бұрын
@@karl0ssus1 And he'd not need to buy himself a beer again, what with being able to tell the tale of the time the front end fell off!
@BatCaveOz
@BatCaveOz 10 ай бұрын
The fire that occurred while the fore end was being towed suggests possible thermal runaway from EV batteries.
@justicedunham4088
@justicedunham4088 4 ай бұрын
How difficult or expensive would it be to add scales of some kind to cranes to weigh containers as they are loaded to note any significantly misdeclared weights?
@sneakprev1984
@sneakprev1984 7 ай бұрын
I didn't know it at that time, but a parcel that was being sent to me was on that ship... I just thought that it had been lost by the mail service, as it can happen if you're unlucky. A few months later I got a letter stating that my parcel had been lost in that sinking, that gave me quite an eerie feeling...
@Croz89
@Croz89 7 ай бұрын
Hope it was insured!
@peribe438
@peribe438 10 ай бұрын
Considering the insured value of the cargo, I wouldnt rule out foul play
@rpcheesman
@rpcheesman 10 ай бұрын
Get Victor Vescovo down there to take a look. His submersible (DSV Limiting Factor) will get there easily ;)
@polypaulpylen
@polypaulpylen 10 ай бұрын
0:24 just answered the question. she was renamed
@CAL1MBO
@CAL1MBO 10 ай бұрын
📠
@ElenarMT
@ElenarMT 10 ай бұрын
I THOUGHT THE EXACT SAME THING! LOL DO. NOT. RENAME. SHIPS.
@rustteze
@rustteze 9 ай бұрын
Almost half of them are renamed during their lives. Keep your superstition away from facts.
@LordRambo
@LordRambo 9 ай бұрын
Yearrrgh is that a FEMALE on board? Abandon all hope, we be cursed!
@NigelMelanisticSmith
@NigelMelanisticSmith 10 ай бұрын
I find the ad smack talking the AI's capabilities pretty funny lol
@gib666
@gib666 10 ай бұрын
I was importing 13 tonnes of extruded steel bar from Japan on this ship, I was on tenterhooks the whole time hoping it could be salvaged.
@Croz89
@Croz89 7 ай бұрын
What did you do in the end? Buy another batch of steel from Japan or end up having to go with a more local supplier due to time constraints? I remember a church was importing a bell from China on the Ever Given, they ended up writing it off to the insurers and commissioning a local foundry to make a replacement at considerably more expense.
@ramondulvur
@ramondulvur 10 ай бұрын
If the containers were heavier than declared, how come the crew did not notice a greater draft?
@RayHikes
@RayHikes 10 ай бұрын
5:55 Can you do a video on whatever made 2020 so high? It's crazy to think a certain number of containers just fall off.
@MM-24
@MM-24 10 ай бұрын
Great video - interesting subject. Would love to see a video that speaks to the insurance side of things
@tonys1636
@tonys1636 10 ай бұрын
As a former superstitious recreational sailor changing a ship's name is bad luck. Time container's were accurately weighed.
@danielhale1
@danielhale1 10 ай бұрын
You'd think they could weigh the trucks as they come in, or weigh the container as the crane lifts it, or do something other than rely on the honor system. Lying about how much your crate weighs is too incentivized, and there needs to be a way to catch this automatically.
@Petch85
@Petch85 10 ай бұрын
8:00 Would the ship not lay deeper in the water than expected, if the load was much larger? Would the not have seen this?
@mrvwbug4423
@mrvwbug4423 10 ай бұрын
If the overloading was amidships it's possible the bow and stern were more buoyant and kept the ships waterline near the expected level, which would've also increased the stress on the center of the hull causing it to break its back.
@YaofuZhou
@YaofuZhou 10 ай бұрын
Any idea what’s the cause for the fire? It sounds pretty sketchy…
@petertimowreef9085
@petertimowreef9085 5 ай бұрын
5:30 What a ludicrous situation to find yourself in, towing half a ship on the open oceans and now it has caught fire.
@nihel3144
@nihel3144 9 ай бұрын
Quite the interesting coincidence that the vessel was named "Russia" originally
@PauxloE
@PauxloE 10 ай бұрын
You can easily know the total weight of all the containers by how deep the ship is in the water on the loading port (Archimedes' law). But I guess the weight distribution still matters for the structural integrity. You might want the heavier containers more towards the middle, so you get less bending forces?
@AndrewBrowner
@AndrewBrowner 10 ай бұрын
Atleast they towed it outside of the environment!
@1.4142
@1.4142 10 ай бұрын
Your job is just a small thing no one's heard of until something goes catastrophically wrong.
@jankrusat2150
@jankrusat2150 10 ай бұрын
I work in aviation. All freight pieces and all freight and baggage containers get weighed before being loaded on an aircraft. Same as in maritime shipping, weight and balance (trim) is of extraordinary importance. Don't shipping and freight companies weigh the individual containers in port, before loading them on a ship, or do they rely only on the shipper's declarations? In aviation there is a paper trail, so that whoever checked the weight can be held responsible, as well as the loadmaster, who has to distribute the loads to ensure proper trim.
@jamesmurney1374
@jamesmurney1374 10 ай бұрын
Ships have a ballast system that aircraft lack so list (side to side) and trim can be adjusted as needed. Also the weight of the entire craft is FAR higher so a weight issue that would crash a plane would be unnoticed on a ship.
@jankrusat2150
@jankrusat2150 10 ай бұрын
@@jamesmurney1374 Large modern aircraft have trim systems, similar to the ballast systems on ships, only that they use fuel to change the center of gravity, by pumping it from e.g. the center wing tank tinto a tank in the horizontal stabilizer.
@General12th
@General12th 10 ай бұрын
Hi Captain! I love boats.
@lucianene7741
@lucianene7741 10 ай бұрын
Incorrect placement of the cargo is the most likely cause. Modern ships are so big that weight distribution is really important. Even empty ships can break in half because of incorrect ballasting, it's been known to happen.
@jamesengland7461
@jamesengland7461 10 ай бұрын
They likely can't verify container weights upon loading as this would seriously hamper loading times at very busy ports, and there are thousands of containers per ship. There's simply no time to divert any containers.
@wormyboot
@wormyboot 10 ай бұрын
Is there a difference between a passage and a voyage? I'd love a video where you get into the nitty gritty with terminology.
@ethribin4188
@ethribin4188 10 ай бұрын
Overloading happened for certainty! Question is, just as with the buckling of the sisterships at the same spot, how much impact did this have.
@memofromessex
@memofromessex 10 ай бұрын
You should cover the MV Wisdom - that is a weird story about a container ship running aground near Mumbai / Bombay and nobody taking any responsibility for it. I heard about it from BBC World Service podcast.
@jamarsac
@jamarsac 10 ай бұрын
I'm surprised they don't have exact wights for each container. Hopefully they develop a quick way to weigh each container before it's loaded.
@ryansheppard21
@ryansheppard21 10 ай бұрын
Any thoughts on how a fire would start on the forward section days later when it had no electrical running to it? I HATE when non experts give their 'opinions' so maybe casual navigation can help out? Fuel oil and diesel are hard to ignite with flame let alone spark. I assume I am missing something. Thanks.
@sc1338
@sc1338 10 ай бұрын
I would imagine it was carrying batteries in one of those containers
@ryansheppard21
@ryansheppard21 10 ай бұрын
Ohhhhh thank you sir. Very plausible.
@Macialao
@Macialao 10 ай бұрын
If the loading is done by crane, how hard is it to measure weight by each? Knowing the current consumption of motor you can calculate it's torque required to lift each container
@Seiskid
@Seiskid 10 ай бұрын
My understanding (could be wrong) is that as result of this incident a new requirement came in requiring individual containers to be weighed. Of course the other question - one that will never be answered - is why did the front half catch fire on a dead ship. The most likely explanation is one of the containers was carrying an undeclared hazardous material, and the additional rolling movement, or even sea water intrusion set it off.
@panzerfaust5046
@panzerfaust5046 10 ай бұрын
This has to be the widest gap between two halves of the same shipwreck
@BigMoTheBlackDragon
@BigMoTheBlackDragon 10 ай бұрын
What I don't understand is why each container isn't weighed by the crane loading the ship. It weighs it, transmits the reading to computers, compares it to the declared weight, makes adjustments as necessary.
@zondorful
@zondorful 10 ай бұрын
thanks
@AverageFornaxEnjoyer
@AverageFornaxEnjoyer 10 ай бұрын
Is it possible a freak structural resonance caused by the storm did it in?
@Aviation129
@Aviation129 10 ай бұрын
Wow that’s crazy!
@EULAL1A
@EULAL1A 10 ай бұрын
Great, informative video as always. Love your style, keep up the good work. I had a question, I was in a city with a port and in that port there was a ship with a red superstructure. Is there a reason why superstructures are white, and why they might be other colours? And if there’s already a video on that, I would love if someone could point me towards that. Hope you all enjoy your day/evening/night.
@iainhunneybell
@iainhunneybell 9 ай бұрын
I guess that for the quite reasonable loading hypothesis to be correct, she HAD to be on her laden westbound transit as this was the passage where she was loaded and so liable to this event
@196cupcake
@196cupcake 10 ай бұрын
In an abandon ship scenario, what do people do about important personal property on board? Like, would you always keep your passport, cash, phone, etc. on you at all times? Are there ever scenarios where you'd be allowed to go back to your cabin to pick up a back pack? Of course, in a "we have to leave 'right now' right now" situation you just go.
@quirinhorn7241
@quirinhorn7241 10 ай бұрын
Going back for belongings is pretty much the most dangerous thing you can do, so i make shure to have my wallet with id, phone and keys on me att all times. Additionally i keep my jacket near by and some extra money in my belt. As per tradition i have a gold earring worth enough to pay for a funeral or som food and a phonecall if i survive. Or if i miss the ship on port a port call.😅
@jamesengland7461
@jamesengland7461 10 ай бұрын
I mean, the thing floated for a week...
@quirinhorn7241
@quirinhorn7241 10 ай бұрын
@@jamesengland7461 yes, but for all they knew at the time it could have sunk within the hour. They did attempt to tow her in, and if it had survived that they could have collected their stuff in port.
@stylesrj
@stylesrj 10 ай бұрын
If it's important, you keep it close. If it's not that important or can be replaced, you leave it in your cabin. If it can't be replaced, don't bring it onboard.
@Croz89
@Croz89 7 ай бұрын
I suspect in this sort of situation the ships operators assume practically unlimited liability for the personal possessions of the crew. So if you lose your mobile phone the operator will get you a new one, similarly with cash or other possessions. If you've lost your passport an agent will book you a taxi to the nearest embassy and pay for an ETD to get you home, and a new passport when you arrive. In an emergency situation it would be very bad PR for them not to move heaven and earth to compensate you for any loss.
@Boypogikami132
@Boypogikami132 3 ай бұрын
So is this why i keep seeing MOL ads
@GoatTheGoat
@GoatTheGoat 10 ай бұрын
Seeing as how containers are lifted every time they are loaded to and unloaded from a truck, train, or boat, how do these companies not not know the exact container weights?
@theTealStory
@theTealStory 3 ай бұрын
titanic gets a small hole and sinks in a few hours meanwhile ship gets ripped in half and floats around for over a week
@bencheevers6693
@bencheevers6693 10 ай бұрын
6.5 m waves which is like 20 feet, I mean I'm Canadian and we use metric but really we use imperial for things like that, I'd like to know about the physics of waves, like the waves are a bunch of potential energy, when they flow under the ship that's so much energy lifting and then dropping, like your 3000lbs car with suspension can break if you hit a speed bump at 50 and that's less than 6 inches it's crazy the forces that these ships must see. Edit: 20 Knots is 37 km/h so it's not much of a stretch, I guess the medium really does a lot of heavy lifting here.
@adainpass
@adainpass 10 ай бұрын
That's what happened: you do not rename ships, it;s baaaad luck
@cjphillips90
@cjphillips90 10 ай бұрын
Thank you for the video. Commenting for the Algorithm. :)
@metalinyourhead3604
@metalinyourhead3604 7 күн бұрын
Scary, the bow section is farther down than where the Titanic rests in the Atlantic. With a ship like that weight has to be a sensitive issue. I kind wondered based on the length if was over stressed and snapped like a toothpick.
@zstewart
@zstewart 10 ай бұрын
When comparing large numbers like the cost of the loss of the ship vs its cargo, it's helpful to use the same -llion base. 0.5 billion vs 66 million is slightly harder to immediately mentally compare than 500 million vs 66 million. (And this is true even if you do have more than 1000x quantities- which is easier to quickly compare mentally: "1.5 billion vs 10 million" or "1500 million vs 10 million"?). Though I do feel this is mostly a visual thing, so I personally might do something like write 1500 million on screen and then say 1.5 billion out loud.
@SnowyRVulpix
@SnowyRVulpix 10 ай бұрын
So much ocean pollution :(
@Chico_Julio
@Chico_Julio 10 ай бұрын
It might be a way to check the weights of the cargo during the loading process.
@Ifyoucanreadthisgooglebroke
@Ifyoucanreadthisgooglebroke 10 ай бұрын
Would you say that the front or the back fell off in this situation? Half meandered for days while another got towed some days away before sinking...This wouldn't happen to hold some kind of record for how far distributed the major debris elements of a lost ship ended up being?
@kirkhamandy
@kirkhamandy 10 ай бұрын
The shipping companies have pretty sophisticated software to ensure a ship of this size is well-loaded. The ports also have sophisticated software to help move containers about and ensure things run smoothly. Yet no one has put a weight gauge on the cranes loading the ship to ensure that the container's actual weight agrees close enough to the declared weight that was used to create the loading plan. Doh.
@TealCheetah
@TealCheetah 10 ай бұрын
Relieved the crew got off safe
@sir9integra9jr
@sir9integra9jr 2 ай бұрын
Question from someone who has zero experience with the maritime world. In a situation like this, where evidence shows that the crew handled the situation appropriately but a massive loss still occurred, does the crew experience any kind of negative professional repercussions like licensing review, termination, etc? I would hope that they're protected as long as the loss is found to have been beyond their control. You always say that the point of the investigation is not to ascertain blame, but I imagine that the ship's owner probably wants to prevent future accidents, and I wonder if that sometimes results in negative outcomes for the crew "just to be safe".
@GhostOfLorelei
@GhostOfLorelei 10 ай бұрын
Curios, why do dock cranes not have something in them to determine the exact weight of each container? It feels like pressure sensors in the supports of a couple pulleys could determine the weight of each container and, if coordinated with other cranes operating the same vessel, they could easily create a report of the total weight and weight distribution of containers on the entire ship. I mean, why rely on someone writing a report when it could probably all be weighed on the fly?
@likethedrinkbutspelleddiff4605
@likethedrinkbutspelleddiff4605 10 ай бұрын
So when should I expect my package?
@chernweimah9124
@chernweimah9124 10 ай бұрын
Looking at the thumbnail, I’m going a hazard a guess the ship is not in good shape :D
@kilianortmann9979
@kilianortmann9979 10 ай бұрын
"With about 8000 TEU", Me: that's cute; "she was one of the larger container vessels at the time of her launch", ships sure have come a long way in just the last 20 years.
@vj.joseph
@vj.joseph Ай бұрын
All the port cranes should have weight sensors built in, and each sea port should fully register, each weight of each container in its own database before allowing the ship to leave, and also for a database for the ship captain as well, alongside the declared weights and automatically detect undeclared weights and unload them for not shipping them. Along side that all the sea ports should also install a gas sample measurement system for vapor pressure and temperature measurement, and the vapor content measurement and sea port should record that data on the ship's and the ports database alongside the container weight column in the database for later analysis.
@glike2
@glike2 10 ай бұрын
It's easy to weigh each container with a wireless load cell on the loading craine, so it amazes me that this is still not done. It would end overloading ship. Someone needs to clean the ocean containers up: "According to an estimate by a marine biologist, there are about 12,000 shipping containers floating in the world's oceans."
@vj.joseph
@vj.joseph Ай бұрын
A ship's centre point always has the chance of breaking due to huge forces of stress,strain and buckling in the beam, due to fluctating forces. Ships should be checked for main structural integrity every 2 to 5 years in service, due to the immense forces acting on them. For ships that are in the late stages, there should bevreinforced with an additional smaller and an interior super structure, built inside the main superstructure frame, that can withstand such main beam bucklings at any point. It should have beam main, shock absorbers for instantly absorbing these unexpected beam bucklings.Super structure should be having an industrial spring system, graphene material layer as well for absorbing the stress forces and keeping the ship's water integrity tight, even after the main beam is buckling. Micro layer water resistant materials should be used for coating the under water submerged surface of the inner super structure,once such a buckling occurs.
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