What Happened To The MOL Comfort?

[@CasualNavigation]

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[@Rorywizz]

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[@minanminan9484]

I will!

[@Splarkszter]

CHINESE SPYWARE shame Have some standards. You are unethical.

[@MrNicoJac]

@Casual Navigation Can you please explain why it is not routine practice to measure the weight of every container when it's being picked up by a loading crane in port? It seems not-that-hard to read out how much force the crane needs to use 🤔🤷🏻‍♂️

[@lbnesquik3114]

While I understand the need for sponsors, I gotta say, it's a bit of a long one.

[@greeneyesms]

It seems to me the giant cranes could somehow closely estimate the weight of a container and staff could compare that to the declared weight, thus eliminating this as a factor. Even a retrofit of the cranes is less costly than a ship going down.

[@jort93z]

probably could, but the ports don't pay for the ships going down, lol.

[@Metaphysician2]

The problem, as I understand it, is that the ports are different organizations owned by different people than the cargo lines. They don't have a direct incentive to help avoid freighter loss, because they aren't *their* freighters.

[@j_taylor]

Besides just installing load cells or the like in a crane, it would have to be regularly calibrated and inspected. Not insurmountable, but it adds ongoing costs to the crane operator which, as others noted, wouldn't directly benefit. (I have read that cranes do have sensors to avoid overloading the crane itself, but that can be as simple as "warn if over X tonnes" rather than an actual number.)

[@greeneyesms]

@@jort93z Randomly divert containers to scales, like highway trucking weigh stations. If the container is overweight by x%, the fine is so painful they actually care starting 10 minutes later. Whether it is the port authority, crane operator, whomever, financial pain brings change.

[@LenKusov]

The easiest retrofit would be to put a scale on the container forklifts that take them off the trucks and train cars, instead of the loading cranes, cause a simple pressure gauge calibrated to the size of the lift pistons in the forklifts has been used to weigh palletized cargo since forever. All you need is a T fitting into the hose, a pressure transducer, and the info off the pistons' data plates. Cranes are harder cause that's an electromechanical block-and-tackle, with multiple lift points and pulleys and such that'd all need their own load cells and a lot of math to be accurate, but forklifts with hydraulics are a 20 minute retrofit. Just have the longshoremen amend the bill of lading for each container with the actual gross tonnage measured upon transloading, instead of just taking everything at face value.

[@minanminan9484]

Im amazed how the two halfs stayed afloat for so long!

[@ShadowFox178]

There is video footage of the two halves floating after everyone is rescued. The crew recorded the incident.

[@trr94001]

Those were some pretty tough bulkheads.

[@ShadowFox178]

@@trr94001 it's really surreal to see two halves of a ship floating.

[@ethribin4188]

Modrtn ship engineering. Every single section of a ship is designed to stay afloat. So it makes sense that a seperation would keep the ship floating for a long time.

[@generolmatt4]

How is it possible they stayed afloat so long? Is it the compartments being sealed? Seems incredible with the ship in two that they could stay afloat. Because it's not as if it would be a perfect break I would imagine it would damage the rest of the ship and twist it.

[@projectarduino2295]

The fact the ship SPLIT IN HALF and still floated for and average of a week more before sinking is a testimony to the engineering, even if it had its faults.

[@judet2992]

Haha sealed bulkheads go brrrrrrr

[@indridcold8433]

The faults were likely more with the loading crew being harassed and threatened to overload the ship and get it out to see as soon as possible. Bosses are always the most greedy, incompetent, hateful, liars and will force those under them to do the wrong things in order to maximise profit at any sacrifice.

[@paradoxial1865]

This isn't very typical, you see, there are some ships where the front isn't designed to fall off at all. As for what materials they're made of, cardboard is out, that's for sure

[@aufbau-seitsechzehnnullzwo8045]

Was expecting to find this the highest rated comment.

[@grozaphy]

ships typically arent designed to sink. generally, they float in one piece

[@ElenarMT]

But was she in the environment, or was she then towed out of the environment?

[@servus6267]

This has to be the top comment

[@MirzaAhmed89]

What is the minimum crew requirement?

[@stoicshield]

A litte off topic: I bought one of the plushy captains a while back for my dad and his wife who go on cruises, sort of as their mascot and reserve captain. A little while ago they went on a cruise around the world with him and are taking photos every now and then. They had him with them during boarding and people loved him😁

[@JoshuaC923]

That's pretty cool

[@doggonemess1]

It's heartwarming to hear that the owners of the ships actually upgraded them to prevent the same thing happening again. Too often with these stories, warnings are ignored and history repeats itself.

[@alveolate]

in this case, they had half a billion in insurance money to prevent any further losses in future (which the insurance company would likely consider necessary for liability).

[@grahamsell3863]

As someone in the industry, I can tell you it happens more often than you might realize, it’s just you only ever hear about the owners who don’t put the necessary work into their ships.

[@doggonemess1]

@@grahamsell3863 Makes sense - it's only the outliers that get noticed. The ones that take care of their equipment and hire good crews just carry on operating normally for the life of the ship.

[@AndrewBrowner]

gotta make em so the front dont fall off.. no one told them that cardboard was out!

[@mrvwbug4423]

It's possible the insurance companies made the structural upgrades a condition for keeping those ships insurable for future voyages. And they would've had sufficient money from the insurance payout to upgrade the sister ships even though the company would only have received the payout for the ship, the payout for the cargo would go to the owners of the cargo.

[@ironcito1101]

How can they just rely on someone's word as to the weight of the containers? It seems to be common practice to under-report the weight, so I'm guessing the people declaring the weight have an economic incentive to declare less weight. It's insane to just trust their word when safety is at stake.

[@antoy384]

Because it has worked for 99.9% of the ships in 2013? It’s cynical but a few wreckages here and there don’t create enough of an incentive for things to change.

[@ironcito1101]

@@antoy384 In this case, half a billion in lost merchandise alone, plus the ship itself, compensation to eventual victims and whatnot. Besides, if people under-report weight, it's because they're trying to pay less in shipping fees, taxes or something. Therefore, someone is getting less money than they should. How hard can it be to weigh the containers? At least roughly.

[@Jehty_]

half a billion out of 8000 billion or so every year. Loosing one ship every few years is a drop in the bucket. @@ironcito1101

[@Curt_Sampson]

@@antoy384 You've got the general idea, but that 99.9% figure is rather low. In 2013 the total number of containers carried on ships worldwide was somewhere between 43.7 million TEUs (2010) and 52.5 million TEUs (2015). Let's call it 45 million. In 2013 there were less than 6000 containers lost, including all those on the _MOL Comfort,_ so even assuming the figure in the video is 40-foot containers (2 TEUs each), we're still looking at this working for around 99.99% (ten times fewer than your figure), in a year where the total number of containers cost was around three times that of any year in the decade before or the decade after.

[@mrvwbug4423]

I'm honestly surprised that the loading cranes at the ports don't have the ability to weigh the containers they're lifting. Even beyond safety, you'd think the shipping company and the ports would want an accurate weight to ensure the correct shipping charges and taxes are paid.

[@kukajin9560]

I'm sure many have heard of it if they're chronically online, but this incident instantly made me think of the foundering of the MV Arvin. the MV Arvin was originally designed as a river freighter in the 70's and wasn't meant to handle blue water conditions like high waves. it eventually broke apart, on video, due to its lack of hull reinforcement almost completely amidships. i know they aren't similar circumstances since the Comfort was built to handle ocean transits but hull fracturing and poor weight distribution seems to be the biggest non-crew related issue on the waters today

[@Triggernlfrl]

Arvin was desinged as a coaster altough with limited sea area. Sailed on a similar Dutch coaster and we where a little jelous on the east european counterparts because they did not sail above BF 7. So they have more time to go out for a beer...

[@Fortified-Star-Margarine]

Love it how the 2 parts of the ship just, chill, to their death.

[@peterj5106]

Strange idea of chilling!.... Getting battered by a storm & catching fire.

[@carsonneal]

sounds like a relaxing saturday night to me@@peterj5106

[@madpod5]

nice to hear that all the crew survived! seems like all the focus on safety pays off

[@dingus153]

I don't get how containers aren't accurately weighed individually before being loaded, seems like a massive oversight within the shipping industry

[@06.arkan2a2]

Its probably to long to weight all of them or its not cost effective

[@pikedriver]

They are all weighed before loading. If not, they could would easily raise the center of gravity to the point of capsizing. The cranes used to load the containers also electronically record the weight to be included on the shipping documents…

[@chrisf4659]

Love the "Safety First" Sign on the Napoli model.

[@spiercephotography]

What a fascinating look at what happened to her! I do a lot of containership watching. So glad her crew was OK and safe. And actually sort of impressed that they stayed afloat as long as they did!

[@diegovd7215]

Thanks for the unique content, great animations and well researched explanations! :)

[@idaho_girl]

Perhaps chronic overloading with over-weight containers is the explanation for the buckling in the sister ships.

[@kooky45]

Can you explain how a container can be loaded onto a ship without it's true weight being known? I would have thought the cranes were monitoring the weights and they know which container is which so they can pick and place them correctly. Thanks, really like your videos.

[@jort93z]

The cranes don't monitor the weight. Shipper just reports the weight to the port and carrier.

[@bowez9]

​@@jort93zall moblie and construction cranes do.

[@j_taylor]

Crane operators don't care the precise weight of their load, as long as it's safe for the crane to lift. Maybe if ships paid extra to get reports of exact weight, they'd do it. Hmm. A report would tell you only after the fact. You'd need to give the crane operator precise weights before, with instructions what to do if a container deviates from the listed weight. Which might slow down loading because the load is planned on the listed weights, so if that changes then you might have to change the load plan during loading. Maybe it just costs more to weigh containers at the point of loading than the way it's done now.

[@196cupcake]

Can't rule out cheating or smuggling, but I'm sure the ship bakes in a buffer, knowing that some containers will weigh a little more than declared. No one cares if a single container is ~5% over weight, but if all are 5% over weight then you could end up over loading the ship.

[@bowez9]

@@196cupcake that's were the cranes having load cells and logging it per ship would make sense.

[@chrish5791]

With computer tracking of containers how hard could it be to run the tractor/container chassis across a scale on the way into the dock/storage yard giving a nearly actual weight of each container? If it was done correctly the tractor with the container chassis and container wouldn’t even have to slow down with in motion weighing and the weight data could be associated with that container via a computer program.

[@onik7000]

Just for you to know - Opera VPN is blocked by Opera in many countries. So it's not VPN for freedom of information, it's VPN for right people only.... like it's 1950 in america again.

[@kayakingrivers7394]

I’m starting to wonder why containers aren’t put on a scale before being loaded on board, since it seems misreported weights of containers is such an issue

[@Petch85]

8:00 Would the ship not lay deeper in the water than expected, if the load was much larger? Would the not have seen this?

[@mrvwbug4423]

If the overloading was amidships it's possible the bow and stern were more buoyant and kept the ships waterline near the expected level, which would've also increased the stress on the center of the hull causing it to break its back.

[@TheClintonio]

Your videos are so well researched. Thank you.

[@SteinGauslaaStrindhaug]

It's weird that the containers aren't automatically weighed at several spots in the loading process. It shouldn't be too costly to add load sensors to the cranes and verify that the container weighs the the same as it's declared. Because presumably there's already a computerised system in place to pick the right container and load them in the correct location based on it's declared weight, and the cranes probably already have load sensors to detect overload situations, so unless these are very binary overloaded / not overloaded toggles, the load data might already be available. And while making the system would certainly cost something; they should also be able to save or make a lot of money on it too. If they knew exactly the weight of containers, they could also make money by fining those who cheat and declare a too low weight, and you could load the ships more accurately so you could presumably have the loading be more balanced requiring less ballast, and you could arrange the lighter and heavier containers such that the ship is balanced with the containers arranged to minimise drag and wind effects leading to more efficient sailing. And finally, since lying about container is apparently rampant; the ships loading plan must presumably be made with a large percentage margin of error (or they risk overloading the ship) so presumably with a more accurate weight they could on average load more on to the ship than if they just have to assume every container might be 20% overweight or whatever they do now.

[@mathisdetremmerie9309]

Amazing video! I would love a video detailing the heemslift herdrika disaster, because a lot of things went wrong there!

[@justicedunham4088]

How difficult or expensive would it be to add scales of some kind to cranes to weigh containers as they are loaded to note any significantly misdeclared weights?

[@MedicplayingCSGO]

Your videos help me explain a lot of things to my 9th grade students. Thankies.

[@burntsider8457]

Good storytelling with meaningful animations. Wouldn't the displacement post-loading have told the crew that the ship was overloaded?

[@whisperpone]

the issue with displacement is that it's not 100% accurate, and it depends on many different factors beyond just cargo weight

[@slyfoxx2973]

When the half in tow caught fire and sank this story started to sound like an episode of Fawlty Towers.

[@robbabcock_]

Fascinating case! It's remarkable that the two halves floated for almost two weeks!

[@thickwristmcfist3399]

Another great video! Thanks!

[@jamesrodgers3132]

Q1. Just how many containers would have to be mis-declared to put a ship over? Are there no margins of error? Q2 (unanswerable). Just how big were those two "particularly big" waves in this case? Rogue waves would be an interesting topic for a video.

[@stuffy2757]

The most important thing is everyone made it out alive and im very glad they did. Its a terrifying way to go.

[@Lucius_Chiaraviglio]

Another lesson that port security needs drastic improvement, including verification that containers really match their declared weight, along with any other practical verification of contents (because some very bad things can be smuggled in them, eventually including a nuclear weapon).

[@jamesengland7461]

You wouldn't need a false weight to smuggle a nuke; just lie about the contents.

[@Lucius_Chiaraviglio]

@@jamesengland7461 Yes -- that's why I added "any other practical verification of contents".

[@BatCaveOz]

The fire that occurred while the fore end was being towed suggests possible thermal runaway from EV batteries.

[@gib666]

I was importing 13 tonnes of extruded steel bar from Japan on this ship, I was on tenterhooks the whole time hoping it could be salvaged.

[@Croz89]

What did you do in the end? Buy another batch of steel from Japan or end up having to go with a more local supplier due to time constraints? I remember a church was importing a bell from China on the Ever Given, they ended up writing it off to the insurers and commissioning a local foundry to make a replacement at considerably more expense.

[@Macialao]

If the loading is done by crane, how hard is it to measure weight by each? Knowing the current consumption of motor you can calculate it's torque required to lift each container

[@jankrusat2150]

I work in aviation. All freight pieces and all freight and baggage containers get weighed before being loaded on an aircraft. Same as in maritime shipping, weight and balance (trim) is of extraordinary importance. Don't shipping and freight companies weigh the individual containers in port, before loading them on a ship, or do they rely only on the shipper's declarations? In aviation there is a paper trail, so that whoever checked the weight can be held responsible, as well as the loadmaster, who has to distribute the loads to ensure proper trim.

[@jamesmurney1374]

Ships have a ballast system that aircraft lack so list (side to side) and trim can be adjusted as needed. Also the weight of the entire craft is FAR higher so a weight issue that would crash a plane would be unnoticed on a ship.

[@jankrusat2150]

@@jamesmurney1374 Large modern aircraft have trim systems, similar to the ballast systems on ships, only that they use fuel to change the center of gravity, by pumping it from e.g. the center wing tank tinto a tank in the horizontal stabilizer.

[@polypaulpylen]

0:24 just answered the question. she was renamed

[@CAL1MBO]

📠

[@ElenarMT]

I THOUGHT THE EXACT SAME THING! LOL DO. NOT. RENAME. SHIPS.

[@rustteze]

Almost half of them are renamed during their lives. Keep your superstition away from facts.

[@LordRambo]

Yearrrgh is that a FEMALE on board? Abandon all hope, we be cursed!

[@bertbaker7067]

Idk if fishing boats typically go out as far as where the ship broke up, but i bet every captain who could get there and thru the storm was out there doing a shipping container Easter egg hunt. Finder's keepers, babyyyy.

[@Croz89]

Unlikely. Containers are a hazard to small boats, and even if you snag one, it's unlikely to be worth the cost for a 10% salvage fee since it could be anything from machine parts to low value dry chemicals. But considering where it sank, finders keepers is probably the case since I doubt Somalian fishermen care about international maritime law.

[@RayHikes]

5:55 Can you do a video on whatever made 2020 so high? It's crazy to think a certain number of containers just fall off.

[@Quasihamster]

Why did the containers suddenly catch fire, all by themselves apparently?

[@jort93z]

Maybe the water caused a short circuit somewhere.

[@bluesbest1]

As ships rock in the water, the cargo experiences friction. Sometimes that friction is enough to make flammable material catch fire. It's part of why fuel is always supposed to be emptied out of motors before the machinery gets shipped.

[@j_taylor]

We don't know that the containers caught fire by themselves. They were on a ship, which had electrical stuff, and salt water where it wasn't intended do be.

[@MrNicoJac]

​@@j_taylor True. But surely all electronic systems were de-powered when the section with the engine broke off? 🤔 I still don't see how either friction could lead to a fire on an abandoned ship, nor how a detached electric system could short circuit (intensely enough to set a fire) Even if a container with an electric car or a tonne of batteries fell of the highest stack right onto the deck, I'd be surprised if a cell got pierced/damaged enough to ignite...

[@arcanealchemist3190]

​@MrNicoJac then you'd be suprised often! these ships and containers are made of metal. metal sparks and creates hot shavings of metal when they scrape against eachother. if any one of those hot shavings hits something flammable, you now have a fire. lithium batteries are also notorious for catching fire on their own during transit, and this is for good reason. all it takes to create thermal runaway on a lithium battery is to short it, which can be done in a lot of ways. bend it in half, poke a hole in it with metal, get it wet...and once one catches fire, it burns hot enough to short any other batteries nearby. also, remember those engineering pipes from the start of the video? they're called "pipes" because they move fluid. particularly, they move fuel. so you can bet there was at least SOME fuel that got where it shouldn't when the vessel...yknow...snapped in half. it's not surprising at all that under these extreme circumstances it caught fire, if you know and consider all the ways fire can happen in this situation.

[@MrBirdnose]

Reminded me of the Daniel J. Morrell, a Great Lakes freighter that broke in half and sank, but not before the stern, still under power, nearly ran down a lifeboat launched from the bow.

[@ryansheppard21]

Any thoughts on how a fire would start on the forward section days later when it had no electrical running to it? I HATE when non experts give their 'opinions' so maybe casual navigation can help out? Fuel oil and diesel are hard to ignite with flame let alone spark. I assume I am missing something. Thanks.

[@sc1338]

I would imagine it was carrying batteries in one of those containers

[@ryansheppard21]

Ohhhhh thank you sir. Very plausible.

[@YaofuZhou]

Any idea what’s the cause for the fire? It sounds pretty sketchy…

[@GhostOfLorelei]

Doubt I'm the only one asking, but you should do the one where the front fell off. I need to know if it's true that there was no cardboard or cardboard derivatives.

[@frogbear02]

as long as its towed out of the environment its fine

[@phantomsplit3491]

If I could perhaps recommend a casualty for you to take a look at, maybe try the Stolt Groenland? No loss of life thankfully but there was a huge fireball captured on multiple camera angles. I know you use the animated art style for your video and it does a good job at instructional demonstration, but once you see that fireball go over the bridge I am sure you will want to include the raw footage and make a video on the topic. Cause of the casualty was inadvertent overheating of monostryrene cargo, causing the added inhibitor to break down. Without inhibitor the cargo was able to react with itself, creating an exothermic reaction (heat) that also gave off hydrogen gas. Once the PV valve blew open and the hot hydrogen hit the oxygen in the air, ship go boom

[@PolishSpartan22]

I love your channel, but the fact that you don't know what an aria is is incredible. Opera:aria::concert:song

[@rpcheesman]

Get Victor Vescovo down there to take a look. His submersible (DSV Limiting Factor) will get there easily ;)

[@sneakprev1984]

I didn't know it at that time, but a parcel that was being sent to me was on that ship... I just thought that it had been lost by the mail service, as it can happen if you're unlucky. A few months later I got a letter stating that my parcel had been lost in that sinking, that gave me quite an eerie feeling...

[@Croz89]

Hope it was insured!

[@MM-24]

Great video - interesting subject. Would love to see a video that speaks to the insurance side of things

[@peribe438]

Considering the insured value of the cargo, I wouldnt rule out foul play

[@petertimowreef9085]

5:30 What a ludicrous situation to find yourself in, towing half a ship on the open oceans and now it has caught fire.

[@tonys1636]

As a former superstitious recreational sailor changing a ship's name is bad luck. Time container's were accurately weighed.

[@AverageFornaxEnjoyer]

Is it possible a freak structural resonance caused by the storm did it in?

[@ramondulvur]

If the containers were heavier than declared, how come the crew did not notice a greater draft?

[@dimitartodorov1352]

Wonder what happened to the captain after this. These are the things that scare me the most when I think of becoming a captain

[@karl0ssus1]

Probably a long and boring series of interviews with the company, insurers and maritime authorities, and then eventually a return to duty.

[@ShadowDragon8685]

@@karl0ssus1 And he'd not need to buy himself a beer again, what with being able to tell the tale of the time the front end fell off!

[@danielhale1]

You'd think they could weigh the trucks as they come in, or weigh the container as the crane lifts it, or do something other than rely on the honor system. Lying about how much your crate weighs is too incentivized, and there needs to be a way to catch this automatically.

[@PauxloE]

You can easily know the total weight of all the containers by how deep the ship is in the water on the loading port (Archimedes' law). But I guess the weight distribution still matters for the structural integrity. You might want the heavier containers more towards the middle, so you get less bending forces?

[@nagato9645]

So on the subject of ships splitting in half, what movie is that which has a cargo ship that splits in half while going through a serious winter storm, and the crew is asleep or something like that, then they find out half the ship is just gone. They send out a distress call, and a boat is dispatched to rescue the remaining crew of the ship, but takes a while to get there. Meanwhile the crew are fighting to keep their half of the ship afloat in rough weather, water slowly rising endlessly, eventually overcoming the bilge pumps and flooding the engine, causing them to lose power. they manage to ground their ship on a big rock or something temporarily, but without power to fight the currents, the ship slowly slips back into the sea. After the ship loses power, there's a scene where the remaining crew climb overboard but have to jump into the water since the ladder or whatever they used (can't remember) only goes to the waterline. One guy unfortunately doesn't make it to the lifeboat/liferaft (again, can't remember) and ends up hitting his head on the propeller and becoming unalive. The rescue boat finally arrives but on the return trip, the compass breaks. The town they were returning to was also experiencing a power out due to the winter storm at some point after the rescue vessel left, so the people bring their cars to the dock/edge of town facing the water. At some point one lady (in a relationship with the guy piloting the rescue boat or something like that) turns her headlights on, and soon everyone else follows her example. All the while she's praying for the safe return of the man piloting the rescue boat with no compass, and radio troubles along the return trip. Eventually they make it back to the town and a huge celebration takes place when power is restored honoring the man's bravery

[@ethribin4188]

Overloading happened for certainty! Question is, just as with the buckling of the sisterships at the same spot, how much impact did this have.

[@the_undead]

The ship might not have been overloaded but with a structure weaker than anticipated and containers heavier than expected, but not outside of legal limits with some waves that were a little stronger than what the weather report said, That could also have been what happened here, I am no nautical engineer but this sounds plausible

[@EULAL1A]

Great, informative video as always. Love your style, keep up the good work. I had a question, I was in a city with a port and in that port there was a ship with a red superstructure. Is there a reason why superstructures are white, and why they might be other colours? And if there’s already a video on that, I would love if someone could point me towards that. Hope you all enjoy your day/evening/night.

[@Seiskid]

My understanding (could be wrong) is that as result of this incident a new requirement came in requiring individual containers to be weighed. Of course the other question - one that will never be answered - is why did the front half catch fire on a dead ship. The most likely explanation is one of the containers was carrying an undeclared hazardous material, and the additional rolling movement, or even sea water intrusion set it off.

[@BrennenRaimer]

are the cranes not able to measure (at least approximately) the wait of the containers as it lifts them onto the ship and compare them against their declared weight? like, if they're significantly different, shouldn't that be noticed when the machine requires more power to lift the container?

[@wormyboot]

Is there a difference between a passage and a voyage? I'd love a video where you get into the nitty gritty with terminology.

[@General12th]

Hi Captain! I love boats.

[@lucianene7741]

Incorrect placement of the cargo is the most likely cause. Modern ships are so big that weight distribution is really important. Even empty ships can break in half because of incorrect ballasting, it's been known to happen.

[@edwardblair4096]

Is there any way to automatically test the weight of each container as it is loaded? Theoretically each the crane that loads each container could have instruments to weight the container. For this purpose you probably only need a resolution of 100 pounds, and only flag an error if the weight is different from the declared weight if it is more that 10-20% different. Plus you could have computer records of the weight anomalies. Of course this would have to be done in a way that doesn't slow down the speed of loading the ship.

[@90mankku]

why does not loading cranes have some sort of weight cauge_ would it be possible or reasonable to install_

[@JohnJohansen2]

Wouldn't it be possible to ad a weight measuring device to the crane that loads the ship, and feed the data directly into the shis stabilising computer?

[@jamarsac]

I'm surprised they don't have exact wights for each container. Hopefully they develop a quick way to weigh each container before it's loaded.

[@jamesengland7461]

They likely can't verify container weights upon loading as this would seriously hamper loading times at very busy ports, and there are thousands of containers per ship. There's simply no time to divert any containers.

[@196cupcake]

In an abandon ship scenario, what do people do about important personal property on board? Like, would you always keep your passport, cash, phone, etc. on you at all times? Are there ever scenarios where you'd be allowed to go back to your cabin to pick up a back pack? Of course, in a "we have to leave 'right now' right now" situation you just go.

[@quirinhorn7241]

Going back for belongings is pretty much the most dangerous thing you can do, so i make shure to have my wallet with id, phone and keys on me att all times. Additionally i keep my jacket near by and some extra money in my belt. As per tradition i have a gold earring worth enough to pay for a funeral or som food and a phonecall if i survive. Or if i miss the ship on port a port call.😅

[@jamesengland7461]

I mean, the thing floated for a week...

[@quirinhorn7241]

@@jamesengland7461 yes, but for all they knew at the time it could have sunk within the hour. They did attempt to tow her in, and if it had survived that they could have collected their stuff in port.

[@stylesrj]

If it's important, you keep it close. If it's not that important or can be replaced, you leave it in your cabin. If it can't be replaced, don't bring it onboard.

[@Croz89]

I suspect in this sort of situation the ships operators assume practically unlimited liability for the personal possessions of the crew. So if you lose your mobile phone the operator will get you a new one, similarly with cash or other possessions. If you've lost your passport an agent will book you a taxi to the nearest embassy and pay for an ETD to get you home, and a new passport when you arrive. In an emergency situation it would be very bad PR for them not to move heaven and earth to compensate you for any loss.

[@nihel3144]

Quite the interesting coincidence that the vessel was named "Russia" originally

[@Nick-Lab]

Why do cranes not measure container weights? They dont have to be super precise but a general comparaison with tbe declared weight could be easily measured during loading.

[@Ifyoucanreadthisgooglebroke]

Would you say that the front or the back fell off in this situation? Half meandered for days while another got towed some days away before sinking...This wouldn't happen to hold some kind of record for how far distributed the major debris elements of a lost ship ended up being?

[@BigMoTheBlackDragon]

What I don't understand is why each container isn't weighed by the crane loading the ship. It weighs it, transmits the reading to computers, compares it to the declared weight, makes adjustments as necessary.

[@bencheevers6693]

6.5 m waves which is like 20 feet, I mean I'm Canadian and we use metric but really we use imperial for things like that, I'd like to know about the physics of waves, like the waves are a bunch of potential energy, when they flow under the ship that's so much energy lifting and then dropping, like your 3000lbs car with suspension can break if you hit a speed bump at 50 and that's less than 6 inches it's crazy the forces that these ships must see. Edit: 20 Knots is 37 km/h so it's not much of a stretch, I guess the medium really does a lot of heavy lifting here.

[@AndrewBrowner]

Atleast they towed it outside of the environment!

[@w00tz0rzZ]

ESL issue here. Around 6:20ish it sounds like you are saying the shit WAS NOT navigated professionally. Might be a me issue tough :(

[@stephanieparker1250]

What are the typical procedures for when a ship is to be abandoned? Do they drop all anchors and other methods to try and hold its position?

[@jamesmurney1374]

When you are abandoning ship its for the safety of the crew, so what happens to the ship is a secondary concern. If there is time shutdown machinery and be sure everything is closed and buttoned up to prevent flooding and such. Dropping the anchor might be helpful in shallower waters but won't do much in 1000+ feet of water.

[@stephanieparker1250]

@@jamesmurney1374 good points, thanks!

[@davidhill5798]

Don't loading cranes measure the weight of the containers that are loaded onto a ship? I would assume that each crane operator has some sort of indication of the weight of each load being picked up as part of the safe operation of the crane itself. It would seem to be relatively straightforward for that measurement to be relayed to the ship receiving the cargo for real time entry into the weight & balance calculation of the ship. This would serve as a double-check of the "stated weight".

[@j_taylor]

See answers to previous posts with the same question.

[@1.4142]

Your job is just a small thing no one's heard of until something goes catastrophically wrong.

[@memofromessex]

You should cover the MV Wisdom - that is a weird story about a container ship running aground near Mumbai / Bombay and nobody taking any responsibility for it. I heard about it from BBC World Service podcast.

[@MrNicoJac]

How does a fire break out on an abandoned half-ship that's (presumably) detached from the engine and/or any batteries etc? 🤔

[@Tuxfanturnip]

probably electronics in one of the containers, shaken around or shorted out by water getting into damaged containers

[@iainhunneybell]

I guess that for the quite reasonable loading hypothesis to be correct, she HAD to be on her laden westbound transit as this was the passage where she was loaded and so liable to this event

[@GoatTheGoat]

Seeing as how containers are lifted every time they are loaded to and unloaded from a truck, train, or boat, how do these companies not not know the exact container weights?

[@afqr2007]

Is that the biggest distance between 2 sunken halves of a ship

[@sir9integra9jr]

Question from someone who has zero experience with the maritime world. In a situation like this, where evidence shows that the crew handled the situation appropriately but a massive loss still occurred, does the crew experience any kind of negative professional repercussions like licensing review, termination, etc? I would hope that they're protected as long as the loss is found to have been beyond their control. You always say that the point of the investigation is not to ascertain blame, but I imagine that the ship's owner probably wants to prevent future accidents, and I wonder if that sometimes results in negative outcomes for the crew "just to be safe".

[@metalinyourhead3604]

Scary, the bow section is farther down than where the Titanic rests in the Atlantic. With a ship like that weight has to be a sensitive issue. I kind wondered based on the length if was over stressed and snapped like a toothpick.

[@TecSanento]

Why is it still impossible to weigh all the Container when they hang in the crane? Not to the gram, but half a Ton should be sufficient right?

[@christopherg2347]

I wonder, how much protections do ships have from receiving wrongly weighed containers? Like, how often are containers weighed in the harbour? Assuming payment is based on weight, there is plenty of incentive for people to lie. How much is that checked?

[@likethedrinkbutspelleddiff4605]

So when should I expect my package?

[@panzerfaust5046]

This has to be the widest gap between two halves of the same shipwreck

[@GhostOfLorelei]

Curios, why do dock cranes not have something in them to determine the exact weight of each container? It feels like pressure sensors in the supports of a couple pulleys could determine the weight of each container and, if coordinated with other cranes operating the same vessel, they could easily create a report of the total weight and weight distribution of containers on the entire ship. I mean, why rely on someone writing a report when it could probably all be weighed on the fly?

[@Lesnz2009]

I am concerned about just how difficult it is for a container ship to get an accurate or good estimated weight of cargo given the very real changes of trying to weigh these ships and the crews have to. rely upon the honesty and accruracy of those who have loaded the container in the first place. I know there are ongoing attempt t rectify this issue but it is still going to be a challenge. Ok, some will this obvious but short of the ports weighing each container before loading ewhich is not an effective or efficient way to do this without considerable cost. Another point which may no be directly related is a question I have about the increasing size of container ships. Are these ships going to become more vulnerable to bad oven weather including rogue waves and is there an upper limit to just h=ow big any ship can get. Thanks for the video and I like Opera too..

[@Chico_Julio]

It might be a way to check the weights of the cargo during the loading process.

[@kirkhamandy]

The shipping companies have pretty sophisticated software to ensure a ship of this size is well-loaded. The ports also have sophisticated software to help move containers about and ensure things run smoothly. Yet no one has put a weight gauge on the cranes loading the ship to ensure that the container's actual weight agrees close enough to the declared weight that was used to create the loading plan. Doh.

[@theTealStory]

titanic gets a small hole and sinks in a few hours meanwhile ship gets ripped in half and floats around for over a week

[@MrNicoJac]

I don't understand how overloaded containers are even possible... Surely during loading, you can weigh each container? You just need to measure how much force the crane(s) use to lift it from the ground, no? If someone can explain to me why this is not routine practice in every single harbor, please educate me :)