What Happened To The Wrap? How To CORRECTLY Do An Ollie Impossible

[@Bryan-kl5rr]

100% with Crob on this one.

[@DiegoJ1023]

No question

[@mtgguiltfeeder4111]

The wrap is necessary imo but the most important distinction is whether the board is ever completely upside down or not. A 360 shuv will NEVER have all four wheels to the sky. This is also why an impossible is technically a “flip” and not a “spin”.

[@Phil.Anthropy]

I do believe the impossible debate has been one of my favorites in my lifetime skating. AT 16 (NOW 36) My buddy would toss 360 shuvs and act like he got an impossible. No wrap... foot not even keeping up with rotation. Garbage! DJ YOU HEAR ME. WRAP IT.

[@Phil.Anthropy]

As far as I remember in that video, God Mullen said "a rotation of the board vertical is impossible, hence why we wrap it. We make it go as vertical as possible."

[@alfioplays7443]

Preach

[@pauliewalnuts5241]

DJ tried to play ya lol

[@Phil.Anthropy]

@@pauliewalnuts5241 right?! That's garbage

[@dantelavante]

Whatever Rodney says is how it’s done right. He invented it. He’s the ultimate arbiter.

[@c1dtl39]

Exactly, there shouldn’t need to be a debate about it

[@dantelavante]

@@c1dtl39 debating about it is to justify what you can get away with so that it’s easier. Like with manuals.

[@limitlessbydesign]

Exactly, the inventor has the final say.

[@TheSimpelsimon]

whats up with manuals? @@dantelavante

[@-dfh-866]

Yep. It gotta be both vertical and have the wrap.

[@furiouslester]

Grip to shoelaces is how I always defined it. As far as giving the “half impossible” it’s own name…wouldn’t we just call that a “possible”???

[@proREFbrder]

😂 possible flip, love it

[@luisanaya9327]

100% if its not wrapping its a shuv it

[@grantman552]

eversince learning them (the right way) this summer I just call them possible's because they were no longer impossible for me

[@tatmanmyownbossdannydraco]

​@@grantman552cap😂

[@grantman552]

@@tatmanmyownbossdannydraco if you say so

[@PaintGuy]

Shane O’neill doesn’t do an impossible. He does tweaked three shuvs

[@roelfrizzle]

To make the naming of the trick more clear, Impossible should mean fully wrapped and as vertical as possible for it to be an "impossible" if that makes sense

[@joshuapowers4623]

Nah, it doesn't have to be vertical at all. The impossible is specifically about which axis the board spins on, which remains the same no matter how the board is orientated.

[@NathanWisdom]

​@@joshuapowers4623 you can't flip your board a quarter of the way, have it fully wrap around your foot horizontal, like a helicopter blade would spin, and it still be an impossible , since the inception of the trick the idea has been to make your board do a backflip around your foot, if it wraps going a different direction it should be a different trick

[@warbomb]

As long as you can see the bottom of the bored when I do mine I’m content but sometimes it does look like a really 360 back foot pop shuv

[@nicholaspossinger7993]

Theres no arguing O'Neils whatsoever. Shane is sans wrap. Its non-existent. Its a fully popped 3 shuv

[@michaelswanson6677]

Dylan was a very good example but let's not forget Ed Templeton

[@galvani14]

Ed "impossible" Templeton!!!

[@orrmenard1586]

Haha, that is the damn name why im in comments, sick though, been said. Ed Templeton!

[@illegalwiretransfer1457]

I seriously love how this is a half hour argument about a skate trick, I used to do front and back foot impossibles and they were my favorite trick, because you wrapped it around your foot and that’s how you controlled the board!!! 2nd best KZbin channel ever! @esoterica still #1 but I love you guys!

[@foulweather6625]

Doesn't have to be completely vertical but the warp is essential. Dylan and Ed's are text book street impossibles.

[@Tyreinn]

Its gotta wrap, and the board has to be at least kinda upside down at some point in the rotation. Thats how i see it. Benny fairfax one i think is a good example of being pretty vertical and being pretty wrapped. If you have to ask "was that an impossible" it was a 3 shuv. You should know one when you see one

[@nicholaspossinger7993]

The shoelace thing works in general but you can toe wrap impossibles and front foot impossibles but the board can't come off your toe until the very last second. It's weird and they end up flipping on an odd axis but they can still be legit at the same time

[@Mike_Nowlan]

When they played the slowmo clip of Rodney’s impossible it made me think of the intro video for Tony Hawk Project 8.

[@breakamane]

I’ve never understood this argument. The person that invented the trick, says it goes vertical while wrapping around your foot. That’s what it is. Anything else’s is another trick.

[@viracocha03]

Andy has a one of the best impossible with a very closer to vertical wrap.

[@zeta451]

if the bottom of the board isn't facing up at any point its a 360 pop shuv

[@MarvinMonroe]

I think we all agree it needs to have the continuous shoe contact. Which is what most people mean when they say "wrapped" But "wrapping" isn't always defined and agreed upon the meaning meaning of so we should say continuous contact The more vertical the cooler looking. It definitely has to get more than parallel to the ground obviously Edit: ideally should be scooped and super vertical

[@seb9093]

The release of "Cherry" combined with an upcoming social media generation who rush to progress their skating as fast as possible killed the Impossible. Everyone wanted to do them, but nobody cared how they were done!

[@robertblackmore703]

I usually agree with Jeron, but I’m not feeling the 1/2 wrap quarter wrap bs. If the board doesn’t do a full wrap around the foot over the laces it’s not an impossible.

[@albertoavena]

Love when they nerd out on these type of things…and I’m not even a skater!

[@DanksSativa]

I learned impossibles in the 90's by messing up pressure flips, the key to get it to spin vertical is start like a pressure flip but only flip the board halfway before doing a little whip to let the board roll over your foot vertically. If you do it right your back foot will end up near the nose and you will land in nollie position. You can practice wrapping it with one foot, it's like magic and so satisfying when you get a perfect wrap. I never see people do it that way, it's all in the pressure flip.

[@firtythive]

Need to do the same for ‘illusion flips’ and ‘muska flips’ when it comes to hardflips and fs flips too. Cool tricks but they literally aren’t the same tricks

[@ryanrowe1975]

Rodney Mullen back control and taking a little bit more of moving differently to going vertically or horizontally needs to be contacted on sideline to straight the board control in a good angle.

[@dreamjackson5483]

This will forever be one of the hot debates of skateboarding

[@trebeezy16]

Garret Hills Front foot impossible is legit

[@TimHesse]

Blame the berries for shitty impossibles, even with the new rule.

[@c1dtl39]

And allowing 180 pivots to count as 360’s

[@BigFatCock0]

It's easy to say shit like "it has to be wrapped" when no one else is around. But when your special sponsored skater of your special little brand is doing three shuvs it becomes really hard to man up and tell him that sucked.

[@Chris-vo7og]

Bro, Andy Anderson wraps the list cleanest impossible on batb. Right after he gets told he can’t use that weird water manual trick.

[@AJvsEverything]

Honestly, it just looks better with the wrap and full contact on the board...it's just so much more fluid and flowing the Mullen way than just flicking it and catching it the way people are doing it now...

[@AJvsEverything]

Just call the new variation a Shuvible...

[@c1dtl39]

You can also tell a properly wrapped impossible by how the feet land. The back foot ends up in the middle of the board

[@arikuusela6716]

13:06 might be because Rodney Mullen "hooked" some impossibles with his front foot. He does those 180 turning half cab flip tricks where he puts his front foot under the board, front of the truck. This was without the "hook", so it might be called ollie imposible because of that. Correct me if i'm wrong.

[@user1138]

I'm glad people are talking about this. When I learned impossibles back in the day I learned them watching Ed Templeton. I'd lift my foot off the nose and wrap them almost vertical. The last time I actually did one like that was probably in 1992 lol

[@humanothumqn659]

I'm ok with the ones that kinda wrap sideways (primo around the back foot). Mike Carroll does those. I can't stand when people do a really steezed 360 shove it, catch it with the back foot, and try and pass it off

[@Blax8672]

This was such a necessary topic, i used to play my homies on a game of skate and they would do a 360 pop and call it a impossible, and it was never wrapped !! I feel like u have to wrap it, shoe lace contact is very necessary for this trick

[@eijieijilol554]

In the end there is a lot of variations called impossible. We got 3 here : Backfoot 360 shov, or Scooped 360 shov (the most discussed here), Some kind off front wrap impossible ("unpossible" in the 3 pics from dumbdata) And the proper one (wich could be a backwrap impossible vs the second one)

[@eijieijilol554]

At the end of the day, it's the same kind of difference than pressure flip vs kickflip i'd say

[@risharddaniels1762]

That shane o’neill joint is a 360 shuv for sure. Doesn’t matter if he caught it with his back foot, the board went 360, it just tipped a little bit lmao

[@MandyMoorehol]

Those “non-impossibles” are just pressure 360 shoves. Back foot vs front foot what exactly is the problem? Lol

[@thepezfeo]

Impossible has to wrap around the foot, shoe-lace is a good standard. When I screw-up an impossible it does a 360-shuvit that never leaves my back foot, but it stays in contact with the bottom of my shoe the entire time.

[@F3A5T]

It has to wrap, it has to touch shoe laces, and it has to be vertical

[@jnrbonezio]

Just had to say ALEX MOUL!!!! He does killer impossibles, even on mini ramp.

[@thoomish3556]

The trick was invented to do a rotation that you cannot do by shuv-ing the board around to your left or right. There should be no question that these ghost-possibles are really shuvits and giving it a little scoop with the toe is not the same trick. Skate tricks in a flatground comp only make sense if the rules of the trick are clear. GET WRAPPIN

[@jokerzyo]

Wrapped makes the impossible. Dylan is an amazing example of a beautiful impossible

[@Gertruida-lk2tb]

Actually a vertical double impossible is a great example because it becomes clear that you have to juggle it.

[@kyingriffith1785]

Lmao he’s like shot I never done it then 😂😂😂

[@Jackapher]

I feel like you could hold alot of peoples hardflips under scrutiny like this to. Not to mention how many kids straight up dont know what a hardflip is. I've seen videos that are like "is this a hardflip" and its not even rotating the right direction, they're straight up doing a tweaked out bs shuv, and people will stay it is.

[@dariovinassi]

Dylan Jeab impossible in his Hi prt was wrapped indeed! one of the best impossible in years

[@badeboom]

FINALLY somebody talking about this.

[@JG-pm9ty]

I've always been curious about nose blunts on rails. So many end up as over nose slides? A few keep the tail high.

[@mattimaranda9638]

Then there's the "was that a fs krook or fs nosegrind???..." type of thing...

[@DMah-2036]

Was going to add a similar comment, it’s not a blunt if the board is flat, it needs to be more vertical than flat. Blunt tricks were on very first, board should be in similar position on a ledge as on coping. What wrong with calling it an over nose/ tail slide, doesn’t make the trick any easier or less impressive.

[@mattimaranda9638]

@DMah-2036 smith grinds are usually dipped down, as opposed to feebles... it depends on how you're facing the obstacle/which truck goes over. This same rule applies to blunts and noseblunts, but with bluntslide rules.

[@oopsydaizi3s824]

@@mattimaranda9638i see a lot of front smiths on big rails that are practically just a feeble grind locked in from the other side , pretty hard to dip them like on a quarter pipe so they end up looking flat.

[@mattimaranda9638]

Ed Templeton. That's how it's done.

[@punkrockpirate08]

‘The Impossible Police’ what a great band name

[@browniegames865]

Once the community starts accepting half assed wraps, we end up with 3 shuvs that don't even leave the ground being called an impossible.

[@mescaliiiiine]

Last I know, Physics Girl (appearing with Mullen) was stuck in the worst case of long covid I've seen. Hope she recovers one day.

[@-dfh-866]

Rodney explained in the science video that the reason it's called an impossible is bc it can't stay completely vertical. It goes to the side a bit. Ppl that wrap it horizontal are not doing impossibles. It needs wrap AND verticality. People that say a "horizontal wrap is an impossible to me." Are the same kind of people that say, "that's MY truth." Gtfoh. Vertical AND touching foot wrap is what an impossible is.

[@lcrilley93]

If you watch the physics girl episode with Rodney he says he likes the nollie ones more because they wrap more vertically

[@richshabuoa598]

Ed Templeton had a sick impossible

[@NathanWisdom]

Imo if it doesn't look.. like they did in THPS1 like full foot control, and vertical, then it's just a foot guided 360 shuv which I've always called rotorboats ... they shouldn't give slack on such a hard trick because then it just takes away from the trick .. that's like calling a 90 degree kick flip to pivot an actual frontside or backside flip

[@104wyatt]

I’m the “impossible in a game of skate” friend and honestly the reason I can do em is I accidentally learnt them before I even tried tre flips, people get it in their heads that it’s a 360 rotation like a shuv or tre

[@oopsydaizi3s824]

Ed Templeton had the best ones imo. First guy to do it into a nose blunt

[@oopsydaizi3s824]

Honorable mention for Garrett hills front foot Impossible

[@ronnyjohansen1636]

I order to do a "propper" impossible, dispite the wrap, u have to see your graphic of the deck to defend the horisontal aspect of the trick...

[@SpookyMolder]

Bruh. An impossible has to be wrapped around. If that back foot comes off at any moment. It is not an impossible. It’s a 3 shuv.

[@Cheap_Skate]

Important to remember that the trick was born from folks riding < 7.75" boards with < 14" wheelbase, squared noses/tails, and no concave. Will be interesting to see how the trick will look once clips of folks riding Andy Anderson's new shorter board start coming out.

[@proREFbrder]

Wait, people think impossibles dont require wrapping the board around your foot?

[@HenritheHorse]

Yep, even back in 2006 when I used to skate my friends were calling that shit impossible.

[@vorpalblades]

Or being vertical, apparently. It needs both the wrap and vertical.

[@shaftlamer]

"a studier of.." lol

[@Bazorki]

So they are talking about the foot wrapping but the one done at 12:22 doesnt wrap the foot but the board makes a perfect impossible flip around the right axis.

[@flippfilmz]

The impression at 16:27 was perfect 🤣🤣🤣

[@Dj510rich]

It Hit different when you have to analyze a Rodney trick

[@riggel8804]

People used to do these vertical. I never could never do them but I have seen them done completely vertical. When someone does it completely vertical it looks IMPOSSIBLE that they are going to land it but they do. That's why it's called an impossible. My homey J-who used to land them over and over 10 times in a row and it looked F@#^in impossible.

[@googleuser298]

Most of these were 360 shuvs. Just because most can't do it doesn't mean we need to water it down

[@sandersijssens4175]

I feel the muska flip discussion comming back, impossibles are vertical. A wrapped 360shuve is another trick

[@supermarcoa]

You guys are pretty lost. Impossible is defined clearly by its inventor Mullen as a rotation around the middle axis of the board (the 8 inch one). The vertical or the wrap are not fundamental. The wrap help to control the middle axis rotation which is otherwise difficult to achieve (there is a theorem in physics which explain why, that is the reason of the trick name "impossible"). The vertical makes the trick look better, but it might be subjective. If the back foot do never touch the board during the rotation you have some impossible variations known as "monster flip" or "zero flip", which are much harder to control and to be consistent with, as the theorem says, because of the lack of the wrap.

[@trollinu]

Skaters be doing kickflip and heelflip variations in all stances, but wrapping an impossible above 60 degrees(touching laces) is impossible. Hence the name still.

[@digits001]

It needs to wrap, the more vertical it is the better. Like how a back smith is better the more dipped it is.

[@joeysteel1864]

As long as it's wrapped, it's an impossible. It's just a personal variation of the trick. I like to compare it to an Andrew Reynolds Frontside Flip vs Muska's. Both types are considered Frontside Flips, but they look way different.

[@denistalbot1829]

Those fs flips are a different deal than the impossible debate because the board is still doing the same flip. Like hardflip don't have to be vertical it's just esasier this way

[@toneohm]

I think the verticality gives it that something extra

[@peregrinusfalco]

An Impossible is 360 degree around the Z-axis. Just watch the Rodney interview with the Science Girl. In most of the clips you showed the board flips around the Y-axis

[@Gertruida-lk2tb]

I eventually got frontside impossibles down just to add that little extra confusion 😅

[@BlameItOnYourFriend]

An impossible needs to wrap your back toe at all times! If it is not, it is a 360 shuv. There needs to be a z axis flip over your toe for it to be an impossible, no questions asked. Wraping it over your front foot is an entirely different trick. Honestly to make it easier I would get rid of impossibles and 360 shuvs all together.

[@HenritheHorse]

Shane's pressure 360 shuv as "impossible" is wack.

[@billiem3196]

It’s taken out of context. On the video, Shane does a 360 pop shuv and the judge calls it an impossible. So, the defender does an impossible since that’s what the judge called it.

[@HenritheHorse]

@@billiem3196 Good to know!

[@dreamjackson5483]

I agree with jeron. They're never completely vertical

[@Wooblidoo]

One that I've never been able to get right - If you were approaching a ledge BS in regular stance and did a frontside 180 into a switch manual grind what would the trick be called?

[@SacredFeline]

Frontside 180 Nosegrind

[@Wooblidoo]

Wouldn't it technically be somethin like a BS - FS 180 Switch 5-0? Calling it a Frontside 180 Nosegrind implies you're approaching the obstacle frontside and spinning backside.

[@mtgguiltfeeder4111]

@@WooblidooI call that f/s 180 sw 5-0 cause imo fakie/nollie are only modifiers before the grind/slide/manual. Like you can’t “nosegrind” backwards, that’s a sw 5-0.

[@Wooblidoo]

@@mtgguiltfeeder4111 I see what you're saying but then what would you call it if you were rolling up BS and did a BS 180 - into a switch manual grind. The alleyoop spin would make it a harder trick than if you were rolling up FS. If you called it a B/S 180 sw 5-0 then the alleyoop spin on the BS rollup would get lost in translation. Kind of like how a FS Kickflip 5-0 is generally more difficult than a BS kickflip 5-0.

[@mtgguiltfeeder4111]

@@Wooblidoo Bs 180 to sw Fs 5-0 still works but I do see your point. That trick sounds like an absolute nightmare haha

[@infiniteloop2094]

Should discuss the monster flip especially the one versace plug did in that mall that Kelly mentioned

[@freitastutu]

For an impossible the board has to do a rotation on the axis that draws a line on the width of the board. That’s it. It’s not even about the wrap. If you manage to do that rotation without a wrap you have done an impossible. The wrap is needed because planes like a skateboard cannot rotate in a stable way on that width axis. It’s not even about the verticality either, because you can rotate on the width axis with the board tilted. It’s all about which axis the board rotated on!

[@ThoughtExperiment]

I think one criteria that did not seem to be mentioned is the boars being or nearly upside down. Maybe the board being in contact with the shoelaces kind of implies it. Just sayin.

[@toneohm]

I started that impossible beef haha

[@-DigitalDarkness-]

if it rotates like a shuv, its a shuv. if it basically does a backflip, its an impossible. simple as that. Front foot is not needed to control a 360 shuv and a wrap is not needed for an impossible. Let the axis of rotation dictate it. you can wrap a crappy 360 shuv... If it does not go verticle and just spins like a top parallel to the ground, the wrap doesnt matter, its a shuv. Right at the 12:00 timer is the way i learned the impossible. A few years later people convinced me to try the wrap and it killed my impossible consistency big time, went from on lock to maybe 1/3. 12:00 needs no wrap, just a good pop and scoop and then to get your feet back on it at the right times, front first typically. The big thing is that it flipped vertically and did not go shuv at all. The wrap is the lazy way like how most people 360 flip from a back foot scoop but some people throw some proper flicked ones instead and you can definitely see the difference.

[@austin.valentine]

3:35 not vertical, but still a really good execution over that table

[@EarthWalkerOne]

IMO it needs to be within 45 degrees of vertical to be called an impossible. that's still a pretty large margin. That's why the trick is named appropriately because a truly vertical rotation is nearly impossible.

[@kusc717]

Just go look at Ed Templeton's impossibles. He, I believe, has an ad or footy of an impossible tail grab from the early-mid 90s.. Gotta be vertical.

[@garrygiomarelli3476]

Imposter, seems like a fitting name for the non wrap impossible

[@billiamjames4052]

If your impossible isn't verticle try keeping ur front foot straight like in an ollie position and not turning your front foot like you would for a kickflip. That will keep ur impossible from just being a 360shuv.

[@dwharris70]

im with crob the start of the trick needs to be pop like and ollie and the rotation needs to be caused by wrapping the back foot not a scoop of the back foot

[@rorofilmz2843]

I consider a impossible when the board is wrapping around the back foot. But yes a lot of ppl are just doing 360 shuvs

[@SVTCO]

Vertical axis is the basic criteria, the wrap is the tool to keep it stable while flipping on the vertical axis, like Rodney says. The wrap doesn't qualify the trick, the vertical axis does, the wrap is solely to keep the board from kick flipping from the natural instability of the flip hence "impossible". CRob the only one here using logic, other two just injecting opinion which shows why the trick has been diluted in the first place.

[@eternalrewind2190]

Even Rodney's impossibles weren't going vertically up and down they were to the side as long as it wraps around your foot it's an impossible

[@19rayrayray90]

impossible : you wrapped around your shoes and your shoes still in contact with your board. once your foot leave the board, it's the 360 shuv.

[@shawnskates]

Just another reason I love skateboarding. The controversy

[@jani724]

Egos wont let people who thought they could impossible let this go. The dude who invented the trick is saying how it should spin.. if it doesnt , than its something else.

[@jedlynch4820]

Bowerbank does em like a tech deck. Full wrap high as shit

[@nikoma_]

Crob’s right man it’s gotta WRAP!!! The whole time 😑