What Happened To Total War Warhammer 3 ?

What Happened To Total War Warhammer 3? It was supposed to be the grand finale to an incredible trilogy with the new immortal empires but instead spent a year slowly trying to regain the community's faith after the disaster of realms of chaos.
Eventually immortal empires came out and with some patches we got the sequel to total war warhammer 2 mortal empires that we have been waiting for.
This took a lot longer than I hoped, had to update this halfway through editing after creative assembly finally opened up immortal empires - www.totalwar.c...

[@rileyfreedman]

Nothing happened to it, it’s a rough launch but it’s still relevant and popular compared to other total war games

[@rileyfreedman]

It’s far from dead or a failure

[@rileyfreedman]

And every total warhammer game has been rough from the start

[@IbstarYT]

True but given how long we have been waiting for this game can you honestly say you're not disappointed with where we are ? I saw on reddit they delayed the roadmap again .. its like come on CA how many times have we been here, just kinda expected more you know.

[@OSIRIS30]

I'm just happy that we finally have the whole Warhammer world in a game. When I was a kid, I always dreamed of seeing my models moving and actually battling in real-time. Now we have it. It's dope.

[@WhipDarling]

How much did CA pay you? It’s bloody awful still!!! Considering it’s just a reskin if TW2 why don’t the battle mechanics work??? I still have units that stop attacking, don’t charge, stop moving and that’s just the start of the problems! Such a poor end to a fantastic first couple of games.

[@smokejaguar67]

I just finished a marathon session and I only stopped because I'm tired and need to go to bed. When I wake up tomorrow I will look forward to playing again just like yesterday and the day before. The game is amazing and looks simply breathtaking with reshade installed. The DLC have given the game such depth I still don't know everything even after all these years of playing 1, 2 and version 3. I need to stop watching the battles in slow motion though. It's far too addictive 😄

[@IbstarYT]

Link to reshade ?

[@ZetsubouGintama]

Same. TTWH gave me back my faith in Warhammer after the fans ruined my viewpoint in 40K.

[@boomknight1015]

Back in Rome 1, ladders was something you made and took troops a much longer time to get up. Shogun 2 I love the most, full 360 castles with tiered walls. People took bonus damage when climbing up them from the bows on top with some spots taking ages to craw up the wall, often leading to tiered defenses of going up higher as you start to lose the lower ground. Also in Rome you could have some troops pre loaded in a siege tower before they come bursting out. Rome and Shogun 2 have the better siege systems of modern style of total war games. Don't fix what is not broken yet for some reason we get shittier versions of what they had.

[@IbstarYT]

People really sleep on shogun 2 sieges , I think it’s probably because a lot of newer fans started around rome2/Warhammer eras where changes had already started to happen. That said I what I miss most is .. THE MINI MOVIES I can’t believe nobody talks about them now like when you used to get the failed assassinations too funny miss them a lot .. just imagine a gobbo doing one today would be crazy fun

[@rorschach1985ify]

Shogun 2's wall climb suffers for the same reason as automatic ladders, they give you no reason to wait for siege equipment when you can just instantly climb the walls. It doesn't matter if it costs you unis, because the AI does not care and will try it anyway, either making it easier or harder for you because you either stomp the stupid AI or get unfairly roll over because your castle that was meant to hold off a larger force can now be immediately taken over with no chance for you to hold out. It just does not work and it's why Rome 1 and Med 2's sieges worked far better.

[@clint4853]

When they first announced the WH series I was hardline against it I loved the historical titles. I needed up buying all 3 of the warhammer games over time and warhammer 3 is a phenomenal total war game!

[@IbstarYT]

I think they will definitely do fantasy games again in the future, with age of sigmas being most likely, but it would be awesome to get like lord of the rings or something similar too ! Can dream of 40k !!

[@WhipDarling]

Compared to the other two it’s a buggy piece of shit mess.

[@jarlwilliam9932]

@@IbstarYTLotr is a hard one though, lore wise it makes no sense for a total war game. Outside of a few skirmishes or a civil war here and there the factions that generally are considered good don’t really invade or fight one another.

[@IbstarYT]

True but the popular third age mod + BFME2 show theres still a lot of people who would play it just for the setting/lore. I know I would 100% Probably would not have anywhere near the staying power of warhammer games but would definitely bring in a new casual audience and smash day 1 sales records.

[@FxBrour]

@@IbstarYT Personally I think 40k would be more more feasible than AoS mainly because of the public interest 40k is way bigger than AoS (or even Warhammer Fantasy for that matter) MIlk and cookies TW also made a video about it with some intel and assumptions: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qH3Ee6xrfb5nhqs&ab_channel=milkandcookiesTW

[@brentonherbert7775]

The amount of people simping hard saying there's nothing wrong with total warhammer 3 in the comments is immense. You just have to look at the fact its 75% of 40k votes on steam... vs 90% of 90k votes... Unbiased fans speak for themselves where it matters.

[@IbstarYT]

To be fair I guess it’s the more passionate fans who would be searching for warhammer 3 videos and willing to watch a new channel I didn’t really help with the “intense” intro either made me sound like I hate the game :p

[@NoxMonstrum]

Because it's all people who dumped a thousand hours into the game and the sunk cost fallacy has hit them hard.

[@guilliman1990]

Its really starting to come in to its own now. Video kinda misses the mark in the sense that it's now becoming what was promised should not have taken over a year. But it's on its way.

[@IbstarYT]

Depends on promised I guess, it’s definitely becoming better and more dlc will help but between the siege rework, late game snowball and general lack of interesting events I think it’s still got ways to go.

[@guilliman1990]

@@IbstarYT it's still not where game 2 was at at the end. But it's on its way. The introduction of chaos dwarves will help really fill out that part of the map multiple races need big TLC patches the empire as one of my mains is hard o enjoy. Chaos is a perfect example of what a TLC patch should be.

[@IbstarYT]

It’s still crazy to me empire was a recommended play through at the start of IE and yet someone at ca forgot they removed the wizard hero spawn in for franz early campaign. I haven’t touched franz since launch of ie from the trauma of that play through. They need some kind of heavy armour late game infantry I think, I never struggled with damage thanks to artillery/magic but front lines always got totally wasted if armies ever met up

[@guilliman1990]

@@IbstarYT 100% I'm happy to play a slow heavy defensive campaign but I feel they need the rewards for doing so. Thankfully the allies mechanic means I have a bunch of allies late game ,*if* any one is left alive. I found this is very much the case rarely do I have viable allies past turn 40 most are dead or so jaded I simply can't win them over

[@jacobculp9723]

The game is great. Tbf the second game took a few years to come together.

[@guardian1982]

It´s a nice game, by far not perfect but improving, but some people had other expections. And thats part of the problem.... The expectations of players cant me matched everytime. Im kinda frustrated with the diplomacy system sometimes, or the settlement-battles (i prefer land-battles). But i try to see TW3 as a really big game with much to enjoy and just like the real world.... it can´t be perfect, but i hope that things will improve :-) But yeah, you made a good point, i just think we need time and to take maybe a look from a different angle... for Battles, whem i want some challenging battles... i go Multiplayer, thats some fun also 🙂 Just my 2 cents... i wish a nice time

[@IbstarYT]

Yeah I mentioned it was probably never going to match everyones expecations but I really wished they had done a little more you know, like even just making the end times event bigger/cooler somehow would have been awesome but its like the jump from end wh2 - start/current wh3 is the smallest of any jumps in the trilogy so far. I think I used a mod to make there be more land battles instead of settlement ones, might have saved my sanity during realms of chaos days. Any changes in specific your looking to see in the future for the game ?

[@agustinvalente7768]

I haven't finished watching the video, but it's good to know that someone realized that the problem with sieges is not the sieges, but that the AI flees all the time to settlements, then you have bigger youtubers asking to take out settlement battles, as if that solves the problem.

[@leontrotsky9563]

KZbinrs have caused a lot of damage to games due to devs listening to them, thinking they represent the whole community. Strategy games seem to have been hit the hardest by this phenomenon. It's like almost every new strategy game is trying to be an e-sport because most strategy game youtubers play very competitive while most players don't and then get alienated when the devs cater to the youtubers, for one example.

[@rorschach1985ify]

Nah the sieges themselves suck and suffer the same issues previous sieges have in the series. Downplaying that is ignoring the issues the same way CA did which is how they got into this mess to begin with.

[@SpaceKnight105]

also that resulted to make every warhammer gamer leave the old world to the lands between to become elden lord

[@IbstarYT]

Skarbrand = margit the fell omen

[@anthonyguyer]

Solid 1sst video, damn almost 5 k views and only 13 subs? blasphemy +1!

[@IbstarYT]

Thank you ! Honestly this video got more views than I was expecting, I am still learning how to write/edit so I expect it will take probably at least a year or two to get good enough for people to stick around. That said my second video is out in a few hours and its a big step up from this one so hopefully this time next year I can start making the other more complex videos I have in mind :p

[@Hakkapell]

On the Blood DLC: The official explanation is that it's to stop the game from receiving a "Mature" ESRB rating for gore and intense blood.

[@IbstarYT]

Yh but cmon wh3 has the blood god with rivers of blood in survival maps and nurgles unclean ones literally crapping all over the battlefield.

[@Hakkapell]

@@IbstarYT I mean, I guess, but that's not how ESRB works. The content unlocked by the blood DLC would in fact make the game M-rated if it was included in base

[@darkranger116]

Yeah I know right? Its almost like, a company specifically forking people to pick up the slack so they can sell a game about blood, violence, sex, orgies, plagues, torture, incest, bestiality, TO A YOUNGER AUDIENCE. yeah cause that doesnt raise any red flags. what so ever. lol.

[@12halo3]

@@Hakkapell MAKE IT FREEEEEEEEEEE. It costing money is no excuse.

[@jacobculp9723]

@@12halo3 it’s 2.99……. If that’s a problem for you maybe this isn’t the franchise for you.

[@StalkRay]

To be honest the so called "siege rework" is already a feature in almost all historical titles, CA took it out in the first 2 games then slap it back on their 3rd and called it a "rework". Nothing new was added tho as Towers and Barricades is already in their older historical titles. Been a year since launch and we only received 1 DLC excluding Blood pack and Immortal Empires, base game factions like Cathay and Kislev still feel barebones and definitely need some love but I don't think they will come till maybe end of the year. Still salty about 3K, the game had massive potential to be one of the best, hope that serve as a lesson for CA

[@IbstarYT]

I hoped this siege rework would bring better siege ai but I didn’t believe it, honestly just wish they made the walls wider ! I’m looking forward to the 3k reboot though, that or medieval 3 would be banger ! Also maybe one day 40k total war !!!

[@alexhess1163]

I've found most people who have gripes with the WH total war franchise often conflate the fact that the game is different from earlier entries in the TW franchise with a notion that the game is somehow less of a strategy game. It's simply a different game with different focuses that requires a different type of mastery. That being said, the battlefield AI in the WH trilogy is easily the trilogy's greatest weakness.

[@kokaomf]

Fun fact abou green bananas: You can wait for them to mature. And you can cut them and fry them like potato chips. It's tasty too.

[@IbstarYT]

I was expecting you say they can be cut and put on pizza :p

[@kokaomf]

@@IbstarYT no! Holy shit no! Wtf! Who the fuck does that!? Fucking HERESY! But another fun fact: the potassium in the bananas is radioactive. If you eat 500k bananas in one go you will die from radiation poisoning.

[@cl1cka]

I actually don't understand why people expected the Immortal Empires drop to be perfect. You remember any other game trying to combine 3 games into 1 map?? I am programmer and I can't begin to explain how incredibly difficult this is and then you add the number of units and lords..... It's insane. I expected pretty much what I got from IE and I fully expected it to be ironed in the next 2-3 years with DLC's. And again - why would you expect them to keep the same tempo with DLC's as with Warhammer 2?? Now you have to balance every DLC for 3 GAMES. Obviously it will take longer....

[@IbstarYT]

My point was more … it’s been 5 years since wh2 and at least 2 since they said support was being moved to wh3 Only for launch day wh3 to be barebones, and the main changed feature in the siege rework to be meh. At the time the common sentiment was well this all makes sense becuase the resources are all going to wh3 immortal empires … which released with the bigger map but not much else changed So then the discussion came to well maybe they were focusing on post launch content … which it seems was also not the case. It’s still a major step up from wh2 mortal empires today which is what I said, but given the long wait for the final game it’s hard not to wonder what ca did with all the dev time

[@cl1cka]

@@IbstarYT To be clear - i was referring ONLY to Immortal Empires. Hence why it had BETA status on release. WH3 release had his problems some of them you mentioned - I agree. I just want to impart why it's utterly unrealistic to have expected something more from IE - the scope of the thing should have been a dead giveaway. Just count the number if units you have in WH2+WH1. Every single WH3 unit/lord has to be tested against every single unit/lord from the previous games in variety of situations. Then you find there is a problem, so you fix it and test EVERYTHING again as a fix to one thing can often lead to something else not working. It's just the scope is too big to expect more and often DLC's. Unless they tripled their dev team, which they didn't.

[@mathieuguenier3658]

The game ain't dead, it's doing just fine.

[@kun_dboy6319]

now we getting chaos dwarfs which are the mostwanted faction in wh now

[@IbstarYT]

And they have arrived at last !

[@TrapsterJ]

I've seen a few clips of WH3 gameplay since it's launch and while it's cool it's got some new factions and mechanics to mess around with, I don't think I'll consider purchasing it until it's on sale or it's an objective upgrade to WH2. There are still factions I haven't played yet in WH2 that I will likely spend my time on before I even consider WH3, just because it seems that it's still a work in progress and I don't think it warrants a purchase if I can't just do everything I can in WH2 but better. Maybe I'm being drastic and don't fully know what I may be missing out on, but feedback on the game is still middling and not fully convincing enough yet.

[@IbstarYT]

I would say its well worth the purchase honestly, the chaos factions are all super cool and the “issues” I brought up are things that ca will probably never address or if they do it won’t be for years Even so the game is a lot more fun for me than wh2 even when playing wh2 factions, just so many more factions to fight and places to be

[@projectblitz7290]

IMO 3 Kindoms was the best Total war game ever. WH3 with immortal empires is still my favorite mostly because there's so much variety and that they abandoned 3K. BUT 3K for a while had the best performance, the simplest to understand systems, and the the deepest roaster per faction of any Total war game I played. Like you had 2 different types of cav for example, melee and shock and for ever faction, there were multiple units in each type. And it was super balanced for the most part with obviously the most highest tiered units costing exuberant prices but performing the best hands down. There were exceptions where faction buffs would sometimes make a faction's unique units more viable than a higher tiered ones but that makes sense. I also think the color coded system and the fact that a lot of units are avaliable across factions made it easier to understand what to do in battle. For example unit cards were just stilettoes of a single entity of the unit in a grey toned oriental ink style with a peice of clothing or something colored in the three color coded unit catagories: red for Vangard (shock cav), yellow for commander (melee cav) green champions (spear/defensive/anti charge/line holding units), purple sentinels (for sword/axe/sheilded/anti infantry/anti range damage dealers), and blue strategists for ranged and siege units. This made it easy to look at a unit even in battle and understand exactly what to expect and play against a unit, every low learning curve compared to WH. And once you learned the different armor types (light, mid, heavy) you'd have a solid understanding of what speeds units could move as there were only two speeds types when you disregard armor slowing down units: cav speed, and infantry speeds. In WH, a inifantry sized unit could be faster than cav or you could have infantry that are on foot be way faster than other infantry types, combined this with armor, entity size, and the not uniformed unit cards makes it hard to play and battle against things unless you sit down and look hard or have played the game for a while.

[@IbstarYT]

Really great points ! One other thing I really liked about it was how unit recruitment worked compared to the warhammer games, it just felt so much smoother. I really hope CA revisit the 3k setting again !

[@SpaceKnight105]

13:55 that part is a what how meme

[@jare3459]

Sieges on the map are worse like now waiting. Now instead of waiting for supplies to drop halfway then take attrition damage now enemy or you take damage beforehand as well a nurf to garrison guarding places. They basically made it so sieges are more one-sided for the attack making siege equipment even less necessary. (side note: The reason you are supposed to build siege equipment is to speed up the speed that troops are able to get on the wall basically making so instead of getting on wall 4 at a time for a unite. a siege tower drops entire unite on wall without it being 4 by 4 and get tired faster)

[@IbstarYT]

Yeah I tended to rush walls since I knew AI pathfinding on them sucks to even exhausted units can do fine but in very early game its normally worth to build a tower or two. But by midgame or later the threat of the ai sending a reinforcement stack is much higher than the risk of just yoloing it at a settlement. Battering rams are totally useless though, just sending a lord or monster breaks them in like 10-15 seconds

[@noahgm9629]

People saying it’s in a better place, but frankly most campaigns are boring or lack a challenge, and none of them have one after turn 50

[@IbstarYT]

Yeah thats been my experience with greenskins/chaos/khorne/dawi and skaven so far but I have seen a few comments from players playing 500+ hours so maybe its more of a faction thing. I feel like cathy might offer a solid challenge but I wanna hold off for a dlc pack first.

[@bestintheworld4850]

Honestly after IE it became 100% better, but the difficulty is somehow way lower than in WH2 but I believe that CA made this on purpose.

[@IbstarYT]

That might be because CA nerfed confederations so now in endgame there is no big threats like at the end of wh2

[@superhumantrueman]

@@IbstarYT You mean apart from the customisable end game scenarios?

[@jarlwilliam9932]

I disagree somewhat the ai is hyper aggressive and as such the difficulty curve depends on whatever faction you play. Playing as Thorgrim and being surrounded by Skaven that build armies so fast it’s almost impossible to keep the ai from running you down through sheer attrition.

[@DarkSpells87]

Chaos dwarves are out and game is better than ever.

[@fiendish9474]

Apparently it IS too much to ask for a CA release to be good at launch

[@IbstarYT]

3k man ... I really felt like it was a new leaf for CA launches.

[@kingrafboss]

I really like it right now, and it will become better with time

[@IbstarYT]

Waiting on chaos dwarfs right ?

[@kingrafboss]

@@IbstarYT Yes but I'm playing a couple campaigns at the moment and I feel like the game is in a much better state than the campaigns I played some months ago, I think is a great game alredy and new content and updates will just make it better over time.

[@IbstarYT]

I’m desperately waiting for the lizard men campaign map rework, we got so many cool lord and units but a crappy campaign system :(

[@kingrafboss]

@@IbstarYT Yeah geomantic web is soo weak, they need some help. On time, I'm sure they will have it

[@redaaron3697]

good documentation i would say i am actually scared that this game is getting abandond because i rly love it even if it has stupid bugs i just enjoy it . And it would be a shame if this game would die so quickly

[@IbstarYT]

I really doubt it’s dying content is slow sure but I wouldn’t worry at all.

[@Zambiblor]

Great Video bro agreed with your perspective as a fan of TW for over a decade.

[@IbstarYT]

Thanks :)

[@Aldor623]

What's your PC specs? It looks like you're playing on the highest graphical setting and the gameplay looks smooth as hell

[@IbstarYT]

max settings 1440p on a 3080ti, I did some colour work in after effects too so it looked nicer on youtube since my original clips all ended up super blury/grainy

[@Ideataster]

With the 'full release' of Immortal Empires in WH3, it's 100% living up to what it set out to do. Absolute blast of a game that'll last for a long time. Pretty impressed, and hoping to see more about the upcoming historical game on the way.

[@IbstarYT]

I do wish they had been more willing to push the bounds on some things though like the endgame and faction interaction.

[@albertoizquierdo1771]

A lot of downvotes on this video 6 months ago and now, 6 moths later, withe Shadows of Change controversy, everyone is saying what you were saying back then

[@IbstarYT]

Yeah to be fair to the downvotes though the opening of this video is kinda .... negative/over the top since it was my first and I messed up the script so people assumed from the intro it was a hate video which was not the goal at all. Honestly I though back when I made it that we were finally gonna get the TWW3 I had been waiting for, so I wanted to talk about the issues the game still had at thatpoint, but with all the bs around creative assembly I still cant believe they fuked it up this bad. I was going to make a video about the layoffs/cancelled projects etc but tbh man I dont want to add to that drama, total war is one of my favourite games ever I just wanna see it back on top you know.

[@8bit-ascii]

@@IbstarYTIve just re-installed the game after quitting a couple days into the release. And it only took 1 fight for me to realise that the only thing i was looking for (good battles, with ai that does not run away/hide/stay idle on spawn) was still not implemented. Might just drop the game again…

[@IbstarYT]

Honestly with the engine they use I don’t think we will ever get good AI. What I really want is fleshed out campaign mechanics for all factions. Going from chaos/greenskin/skaven to like dwarf/lizard men feels terrible because there’s nothing to work on other than painting the map. Heck even on a smaller scale the difference between Cathy’s/tezzench and High elves ability to impact factions is crazy.

[@YoJimBoHugabaJoe]

Devs just hoping darth will mod the AI for them,if he still about

[@IbstarYT]

Takes me back man, I remember that mod saving my empire purchase back in the day. I think the dude quit after warhammer games came out, purely historical dude … pretty sure he actually made his own games too

[@battou9882]

If I'm not mistaken Darth and his team stopped modding TW after Shogun 2 that was a long time ago too and much of what the ai that can be modded is quite limited but I do enjoy it despite the flaws otherwise idk what 800 hours of playing would do

[@battou9882]

​@@IbstarYT I think from the post over at TWC ultimate general Gettysburg by game-labs is where he's at but I don't know if he still works there

[@IbstarYT]

I remember CA changed how map/ai modding worked after like rome 2 and so a lot of OG modders left .

[@12halo3]

Im going to have to disagree with a bunch of people in the comments the content drip has been really dry and playing chaos in their current state is a snore fest as I have to wait for my roster to be fleshed out by random chance and not so well explained mechanics. Just ended up with chaos warrior spam and got done with it.

[@IbstarYT]

Biggest issue I have with chaos rn is they are wayyyy to op in auto resolve like damn I can’t even win some of the battles manually that the auto resolve has me crushing to victory

[@Shane2020xxx]

I’m not understanding your point on garrisons. If you have an Embassy in a city, it adds some of their units to the garrison. So isn’t that defensive garrison hybridization?

[@IbstarYT]

Garrisons won’t have dlc units from the same faction, so like if you play as slacken without outposts your garrisons won’t have any dlc units even if you bought all of them. But since outposts let you have dlc units even if you don’t have them my point was garrisons should also work like that since it would let players try out units they might buy later

[@thingsmac]

EIGHTEEN THOUSAND views in less than a month.... and 48 subscribers. There's something wrong with this equation I subb'd and I don't even play this game- I just like how you make critical content that helps steer the future. I hope CA sees this vid.

[@thingsmac]

I'm only halfway through this video, and I'm convinced you need to be a Customer Liaison for CA's TW series. For real.

[@thingsmac]

Finished video: *you ARE a Customer Liaison for CA, you just aren't finding a way to get paid for it. (At least I can't imagine you're getting as much as you deserve)

[@IbstarYT]

Thanks for the kind words, since it was my first video I think a lot of people watched the intro which was negative and assumed I hate/dislike the game which is a shame

[@ikitclaw4852]

the game is in an extremely good place atm. especially after the Chaos Dwarf announcement and showcase. The start was rough, but that's because of the story campaign of Warhammer III. immortal Empires is fine and fun and the game does it's expectations justice. Simply because that's how Warhammer beats the other TW's games, by constant improvement, updating and changing

[@Daiciyomon_4594]

CA, Total war and Sega had so much potential to pumped up Total war warhammer 3 But instead they still don't want to fix their terrible graphical, FPS rapidly dropping, raising price with less content, treated customers like an idiot and dividing the fanbase of Total war warhammer 3 until today

[@rorschach1985ify]

100% agree with you on the automatic ladders. That broke sieges all he way back in Rome 2 and like always CA, like it does for almost everything nowadays, instead of fixing it or trying to come up with a better way to handle walls simply ignored it and passed it off as non essential only for the day to come when they tried to make a real siege experience only to mess it up because of an issue they never bothered to take care of years back returned to bite them in the ass. This is more than just a simple complaint of one feature that annoys me and more of an example of an overall problem with CA where instead of fixing their issues, will proceed to bury it and ignore it causing further trouble in the future. It's why I have no hope for a good Medieval 3 because the design philosophy that CA has made of itself does not bring me any hope they can turn it all around and finally put things right with a new Medieval game and instead they are going to repeat the same mistakes as always from using the same outdated Warscape engine, the same badly planned DLC cut content, the Same simplification of campaign and battle mechanics, and the same style over substance when it comes to battles and the use of tactics. I'd rather get a good Remaster of 2 by Feral than anything made by the current incompetent company of CA anytime, at least Feral listens to complaints and makes an effort to help the community when it comes to modding. CA let the modders of Attila have to work for almost a decade just to be able to finally edit the map.

[@IbstarYT]

Strangely medieval 3 is actually the game I’m most confident ca can nail, it has much simpler battle animations and unit variety compared to warhammer but more diversity than say 3K We’ve seen from 3k that ca can do interesting diplomacy system and I wonder if the build a chaos Daniel feature could be expanded and used to do a sort of build a legendary lord knight or legendary hero knight for your medieval 3 faction

[@rorschach1985ify]

@@IbstarYT "it has much simpler battle animations" I don't care about the battle animations when the battles themselves suck due to the engine not being able to work with mass and weight of units and forcing them to either do 1v1 fights that are both inaccurate and mess up unit cohesion or end up being a worse version of Rome 1 where they just poke and stab randomly but without any of the impact and feel that made Rome 1's battle so good. "but more diversity than say 3K " That does not say anything when 3k had almost no diversity even when it should have if CA did not make all the factions so similar. Plus diversity itself is overrated especially if they put a lot of useless units that feel unnecessary compared to others which is a common issue for historical TW titles. "We’ve seen from 3k that ca can do interesting diplomacy system" Yet I hear Warhammer still does not have good diplomacy or any other title like troy which all came out after 3K. It's a huge if on whether CA can get it right for a Medieval 3 since they will have plenty of other things to get off the map and if it ends up anywhere near as bad as Rome 2's release it will most likely be heavily gimped if not not worse off than 3K's diplomacy in every way. "I wonder if the build a chaos Daniel feature could be expanded and used to do a sort of build a legendary lord knight or legendary hero knight for your medieval 3 faction" That sounds awful and like everything Historical fans have feared since Warhammer TW was announced. Last thing we need is for a Medieval game to be another example of CA forcing the Warhammer hero units and characters onto a Historical title that will feel badly out of place with it and put the focus of the game from being about armies to being about your super special awesome hero character instead. This problem plagued both 3K and Troy which made them both feel less like historical titles and more like reskins of Warhammer. The Roleplaying features of the older title from Medieval 1 to Shogun 2 were far more interesting and fitting for an historical title because they made the Generals feel more like their own people rather than some RPG character whose entire personalty was defined by you and nothing else. Things like that even being on the table is why I have zero trust in CA doing a proper sequel to the Medieval titles.

[@frakfriki]

I think that warhammer 3 has been slower with patches and stuff but I don't think the game is in fear of cancelation. and maybe when CA finally fixes all the problems with the game we will get more DLC, lets be honest warhammer 3 wasn't done when it lunched

[@IbstarYT]

True I mentioned it mostly as a reference to the community's fear of cancellation during all of 2022, its pretty clear now that CA are in it for the long term which is great, looking forward to lizardmen rework the most !

[@DeadLikeMeJ]

@IbstarV1 I see you got bombareded by the reddit fanboys :) . Didn't think it was that much of a bad video, but I do disagree with many of your statements. For me it comes down to this : TW games are sandbox games, they are not some CoD games that have a 10 hours Holywood level of cinematic actions campaign, they are experience and stories that you gain by actions in campaign and battle and how they tie together. WH games from the start were lacking on many of the great systems that made older TW games the series that people grew to love ... basically it arcadified the game and took away from that campaignbattle connection I am mentioning and by doing so it hurt the sandbox aspect of the game. What the Reddit bunch don't realize (mostly new players to TW) is that the 'historical' player numbers aren't that much far off from the WH games (about equal numbers and this is when you realize many of the 'historical' players are playing really older games that were left in the dust). What is sadder is that the WH fanboys don't realise that the reason they keep on playing those games is because they were better sandbox games because of the simulation nature they had and the balance they had both of which are being actively taken away by CA. So yeah WH3 is a great game but not as a sandbox that needs to be played for many many hours to be 'worth it' especially for the price tags CA is asking, especially for what they offer back. WH3 could have amazing sieges but CA decided to not bother doing them despite 'hearing' peoples requests. Unfortunately, some people can't learn from others mistakes, and the fanboys who try to ignore and attack any criticism will learn it when CA finally puts the game to rest with the same systems that no modder can fix : The bad autoresolve that either trivilizes fights or forces really silly ones || The ass ladders and the defenses that can't handle magic/single entities/fliers and so many more of WH's features || The campaign aspect which incetivises attacking on turn 0 making siege equipment redundent, the ability of the AI to react and reinforce none existent and with it the challenge of the campaign or the chances of fun greater battles drop to zero || fixes to systems that impact most factions like supply lines (that Troy at least tried) or recruitment and replenishment(which trivializes battle results) || and many more. WH TW has some of the greatest potential any TW had in terms of what it can offer ... but since CA won't bother changing things if the community won't put their foot down.

[@BlingLingification]

Regarding the sieges, I think what happened was that CA adapted their maps to suit the brain dead AI, and so they created brain-dead siege maps. On one hand, I understand why CA would try to make maps that better suit the AI's abilities. On the other hand, warhammer siege maps are not even fun for human players (and the AI still derps out on the Warhammer siege maps). People had a lot of fun with the Medieval II and Rome 1 and Rome 2 maps because they were fun to play on with other human players, even though in single player the AI was brain dead during those sieges too.

[@IbstarYT]

Yeah and it seems with wh3 the multiplayer is getting more popular so it’s not a stretch to imagine complex maps that players could use vs each other tho I doubt they would put the dev effort in for maps only a fraction of people would play

[@darkranger116]

Yeah its a real shame what it all turned into. Its just the Marvel of video games. And this is coming from someone with 4000+ hrs between warhammer 1 and 2. And its weird how so many people just started associating "fantasy" with the LACK of incredibly nuanced nature of strategy under the observations of Sun Tzu. So much of warhammer is just happy colors in between cooldowns. And the delicious shit cherry on top, every single person that ever buys the game, gets to download the ogre kingdom files, but have to pay another 10$ to actually use them in the game. If CA actually had the balls to come out and say "we want this game for 70$" then i might have bought it. But they had to pretend like im a fkin idiot that doesn't understand AAA pre-order FOMO bonuses being stripped and gate-kept content for day 1(week) dlc. Shame.

[@IbstarYT]

I definitely feel the lack of depth compared to say 3k here but the sheer variety and polish in terms of models and animations makes it well worth it. Still hoping we get a mediaeval 3 or even empire 2 that could be the "deeper" strategy game to contrast the more mechanically fun warhammer games

[@rawn9234]

My biggest problem with Warhammer three Is the updates that made the game literally unplayable

[@Shane2020xxx]

Maybe I’m just easy to please, but I had a fun time with launch Realms of Chaos, then a fun time with with beta Immortal Empires, then a fun time with full Immortal Empires, and I have had a lot of fun nail-biting sieges where things were extremely close and interesting. I did love Three Kingdoms (and found the DLC forgettable).

[@VolrinSeth]

For some reason, the mega Immortal Empires game mode just can't hold my attention. Very quickly I will start auto-resolving most battles and soon after that, abandon the game.

[@IbstarYT]

Im guessing you played the other warhammer games before right ? Same for me, I didnt even try chaos drawfs much yet either will proboably pick up tww3 again in 2024 sometime when more dlcs/updates/changes/mods have come out

[@VolrinSeth]

@@IbstarYT Yes, I played the others. Their smaller maps might have made a difference.

[@crosskun1391]

it may not be perfect but it will be better the more they work on it

[@boomerix]

I believe part of the reason 3 Kingdoms was abandoned was because CA didn't want to have any headaches caused by the Chinese Government. They are very anal about video games and very anal about their history, making that game twice the pain in the arse when fulfilling the demands of the communist party. The Chinese market is huge and CA wouldn't want to miss out on it, the risk them being completely banned because of a small misstep in one of their games was just too high in the end.

[@IbstarYT]

Super interesting, I always thought it was because of the dlcs + general feeling the battles were "samey" compared to warhammer games. CA did say they were going to bring 3k back eventually so I wonder how that will work now ?

[@boomerix]

@@IbstarYT My guess would be that if they bring it back, it probably will be in a form that won't make the historical fans happy. From what I've read they are "focusing on the other rich characters in the book" for the future game. Considering my previous point, as the book/legend is widely known in China, (In comparison it's like the Iliad or Odyssey and similar basic Greek myths. Like who in the west hasn't heard of Hercules) and is conveniently separate from actual history it is a much safer setting. CA just needs to keep it's nose closely to the source material and the likelihood of being harassed by the CCP should be far lower. At least in theory. Of course I don't have proof of that, but from my knowledge of how the CCP operates and how incredibly sensitive they can be regarding certain subjects, it seems quite plausible to me. I am rather surprised that barely anyone looked at it from that angle.

[@ash0736]

its back on track now for sure as long as theres no major fuck ups with the chorfs dlc its looking good but yeah the release was disgraceful and there are still issues years later that just havent been fixed and you have to use a mod to fix which shouldnt be the case

[@IbstarYT]

Yup, Im still hoping they tweak the seige/garrison system in a future update, that + dlcs will make wh3 even better than it is now. Also the chaos dwf dlc preview looks really good and in depth which is great !

[@Omba6666]

Totall warhammer 3 is a decent game, but what it will become and what it is currently is the culmination of dlc's and balancing/reworks. Currently mortal empires is absolutely amazing. There are definetly certain races that need a new rework as they have ended up falling behind with how the game currently is, but for what it is it really is a great game.

[@IbstarYT]

Agreed, I’m hoping for lizardmen rework next !

[@botep5529]

For all its blemishes i absolutely adore it. But ever since the last patch i cant get past turn 100ish without crashing. Wh3 campaign map absolutely nukes my pc

[@IbstarYT]

Yeah it seems CA messed up something in the recent update lot of folks with issues in late game. Im taking a break from the game for a while but I know im 100% gonna be back soon, its a game I never really give up on if you know what I mean. Hoping for lizardmen web rework soon !

[@makodium7003]

Video a year to late

[@ates423]

I hopped into this game a month ago without touching any of the previous titles. 600 hours in and the game is still fantastic and has me itching for more. There are some gripes I have, such as player bias to the point ai factions sacrifice their own campaign in order to just be cannon fodder to yours, I wanna see factions develop and have their own sorta story before I meet them. They also tend to be very passive and/or too opportunistic. For instance, I playing as the fey enchantress was dragged into war by the fully dominated high elf ulthuan and morathi’s main army sailed all the way across to attack skavenblight because it was the only settlement I had that didn’t have walls. All the while all her territory is just getting eaten up by Tyrion and the others. Another example is when I was playing as skrag and belegar, Sartosa, and ikit claw teamed up and started tag teaming all my stuff with their three combined armies by turn 10. You’ll never be able to ally with belegar as ikit claw or vice versa. Another example is when I was playing as grimgor and was at war with Cathay and basically every other faction in his region. Despite, him being at war with vilitch, Archeon, and snitch (who had the ultimate crisis armies), proceeded to send an army over several turns to keep harassing an undefended, unupgraded minor settlement. To the point where all of Cathay was completely conquered and he was left with a 20 stack in some random crap settlement deep in my territory There are many other examples. I’ve once had Malus declare war on me and sail all the way down to alberic’s starting location just to attack one of my ports and when I checked how many settlements he had from when he started to declare war on me he went from 10 to 0. It’s just not interesting and makes me yawn. It gets worse on higher difficulties. I mean all these factions have limitless potential with their own unique development but they just go unga bunga to the player all the time, it’s boring. Even when they do declare war on you, there will rarely be interesting battles, you’ll just be doing a game of cat and mouse where you chase their armies while they tag your crap settlements or they hole up in their walled settlements for several turns, rather than trying to meet them on land Despite that though, the core gameplay itself is fun, terribly addicting loop, it’s just due to the ai the game can get incredibly boring or tedious. Edit. Another thing I had was that the game is a little hard to be accessible for newcomers, the fact you had to install the all the titles and trying to get all the dlc will have you hopping between pages for an hour or two. Their needs to be improvement on that side. Newcomers want to just buy, install, and play, and if they want dlc they need to be able to easily access it, especially the free content

[@IbstarYT]

Yup good points, there is a mod to reduce anti player bias but it makes the game a little too boring without ai rushing you. That said I think its something they will tweak over the coming years, warhammer ai has always had phases of too aggressive and too passive so im sure they will hit the balance eventually. Opening up IE for everyone was 100% the right decision but I am not sure why it took this long to do like cmon CA. Have you tried the SFO mod ?

[@ates423]

@@IbstarYT interesting points. Also what is sfo?

[@IbstarYT]

Its a overhaul mod for the warhammer games, it basically changes/expands everything for free. Its on steam workshop I would reccomend checking it out !

[@Gabrielmoon777]

Wonderful examples there, it’s such a shame really, I’ve followed total war since the first shogun when I was a kid and also have been into warhammer on and off (nerd alert) despite being so excited to play IE on warhammer 3 and with all the dlc for all 3 games purchased I haven’t felt compelled to play much, every single campaign no matter the difficultly feels slow and boring due to crap ai. It just feels like so lonely as I’m the only one who seems to be trying to build up and protect my empire, becomes a cat and mouse game like you said, endlessly chasing armies and continually loosing / capturing settlements with no real “war” feeling to it. Maybe they should add a mechanic like crusader kings where you have to “core” settlements before their fully “yours” and make the ai group up a few armies and plan an assault or defence to better their empire.

[@guilty_mulburry5903]

I paid 70 euro for the equivalent of a free trial

[@IbstarYT]

If your a new player its not a bad deal at all with how much content is here, if your a legacy player well ... I guess we can say we supported CA for the amount of fun we are gonna get when all is said and done :p

[@guilty_mulburry5903]

@@IbstarYT it's not even just a free trial I played Wh2 recently, it's a outright asset flip, everything new that wasn't in WH2 is ripped from Three Kingdoms, the only major difference is the starting tiles for one of the Bretonnian Lords

[@eckotech787]

40.000% it’s coming

[@Twilight5007]

Honestly without overhaul mods i wouldn't even play the game.

[@IbstarYT]

Do you play overhauls other than sfo ? I saw the one the dude who does reskins made but haven’t tried it yet

[@Twilight5007]

@@IbstarYT I tried radious a little back in 2 but really didn't like it. Stuff by cataph and mixu is great but more add stuff to vanilla rather than change it. For now im just waiting until sfo updates.

[@redluke8119]

God I hope TW AGE of Sigmar happens

[@IbstarYT]

Seems like a no brainer really, given how well warhammer games have sold.

[@redluke8119]

@IbstarV1 I really think age of sigmar is Taylor made for the TW format I also just love Age of Sigmar and I am a huge fan of the total war Warhammer games I have over 1200 hours in TWW2 and like 800 in TWW3 so far

[@IbstarYT]

Do you think they will do 40k one day too ? I know a lot of people want lord of the rings ( me too ) but I really hope somehow they can do 40k one day

[@12halo3]

Ok even excluding the fact that every faction would only have regiments of up to 20 or 40 units on ultra scale because of their sheer size and weight age of sigmar has not God dam overworld map. Not even a star charts it's just its different flavored supernatural locations. Imagine the realms of chaos shit but as the default no one would want that. Age of sigmar is not a formation game from what I can see its basicaly high fantasy 40k with all the units having round bases and giant models.

[@redluke8119]

@12halo3 I think the concept of unit scale would need to be changed a little but age of sigmar isn't just about realm shaking combat they are just as much about "regimental" engagements. You could absolutely pull of age of sigmar realms of chaos is great just like Immortal empires and eye of the vortex. The total war saga is an essay on the concept of something is never enough for most folks. We have in front of our eyes something that has never been attempted before on this scale being TWW3 and all any has to say is negativity. 15 years ago people would have said Warhammer fantasy couldn't be translated to the Warhammer format. Idk I definitely think it can be done and when it does get done I think it will be just as great as the Warhammer fantasy TW series

[@FlickCODM]

After 100 hours of trying to find something I enjoy on this game, and as a person who likes Total War and has around 1000 hours on their titles, I must say that the whole Warhammer series are probably the worst ones I've ever played. Why? -Ridiculous price of the game, a brutal cash cow (multiple 100s of $ with the DLCs) -No matter the faction, it's so repetitive. Fight, conquer, defend, nothing unique tbh. -It completely misses any kind of storyline and gameplay goals except for go and kill all your enemies (in IE) - as a non-Warhammer fan -I spent a long time on this game trying to find something enjoyable and there was nothing, to be honest... -All the factions are basically the same, some of them just have way higher snowball potential and some unique soldiers or whatever (the spells are always the same and even the legendary lords usually have the same ones) -The battles are highly unrealistic, even peasant armies take 10 minutes to kill, and hey, lords can solo whole armies basically. Do you enjoy the feeling of armies getting smashed with each other? Won't get it here, they get in touch, and stay stuck for ages. -The economics of this game don't work. Getting top units is way too easy, and snowballing the whole game is likewise, the only hard part is the start of the game, then you just auto-resolve all. -Diplomacy is worthless. I'm sorry but compared to Three Kingdoms this is a huge degradation. -The UX of this game is terrible. No race and mechanic explanation, so many factions, and not even knowing what they're doing and what's unique about them, unless you watch 40 youtube videos. If you like fantasy, probably a good option, but I would recommend you to go for any other title otherwise for the proper Total War experience and enjoyable gameplay with an experience. Can't even consider it a proper strategic game due to all the imbalances, if you want to win battles just get better units and wait for 10 minutes until they make the worse ones run away, or make your legendary lord a one-man army. For some real battle experience and strategic challenges try other Total War titles :)

[@jesseburrows2341]

i loved total war Warhammer 1 and 2 with all the dlcs but I hated this game when it came out, then waited for mortal empires to come out thinking that would fix it. it didn't i hated every starting position and the changes that were made were generally terrible. most factions on the map played the same they were the enemies cheat by having dragon mounts at level one and had bigger starting armies than i had at turn one. one day i realized everything about this game was unfun so i quit and really hadn't looked back till i got hit with the announcement for the chaos dwarves and was reminded it still existed and i wanted to see if the game was worth looking at again the game looks like it still sucks pretty bad to me.

[@IbstarYT]

Could be we just need a break from the series, despire chaos dwarves release I havent really had to urge to play wh3 again, will probably wait for a few more dlcs + updated and come back to the game again at the end of the year or early next year.

[@jesseburrows2341]

@@IbstarYT that's the sad part i love attila and tww2 and still play them but this game is all around worse...i think it'll be literal years before this game gets better. i hope you are right but i am would not put money on it right now

[@arkosilaura]

Well. Their next game wasn't a warhammer one, but it is a total war one.... and uh.. yeah no, they didn't learn anything, lmao.

[@IbstarYT]

At least it looks like they realised total war warhammer is where their resources should be, I mean cmon which idiot exec thought hyeanas would do anything for them.

[@boomknight1015]

The turn timer at the start of mortal empires was not that bad at first how ever 3-5 dlc races later, it started to drag till they fixed it. IT was not a deal breaker It just legit took a timer minute per end turn button.

[@IbstarYT]

Your probably right but it feels like it was almost all of wh2 we were waiting for that turn timer patch ! What’s crazy is how fast the faction dlcs dropper after launch, I remember the tomb king hype was out of this world

[@OldBaldWookiee]

I like how you showed the wh1 map. The wh3 map is much bigger

[@IbstarYT]

Its come a long way thats for sure, hopefully even futher to go though !

[@saschaganser9671]

Fully agree. You would mind from Wh2 in the end, you had a pretty good game, a working meta but a bit ranged focus, a stupid KI but at least a somewhat working game. WH3 doesn`t make anything better than WH2, in fact most of it is worse. There`s so much broken content and useless mechanics in the game. Many factions are basically unplayable. Diplomatic system is still broken, as is the AI. There`s basically not a single mechanic that works better than in WH2. Yes the map is bigger, but what does that help? The game is a bit more a challange at the start of most campaings, and then that`s it. Campaings get boring from turn 50 or so. And all CA has, was to add the stupid respawn of super strong armies and name it an end game crisis. Total war veterans remember that from Medieval, where you had hords of fallen factions respwaning with doomstacks. It`s just not fun to play, very generic, unbalanced. The meta is chaff oriented, so why even build up settlements? Gunpowder is broken. If oyu play HE, it`s spears and bows. DE it`s darkshards and any infantry. And so on. There`s no progress, and if all the ideas they had to improve the siege system was to turn it into a tower defense game, congratulations. New content: Yes i get it. But: Ogres are broken, basically no fun to play at all. Chaos is too strong, no challange at all. Cathay has some strange mechanics with the caravans, compass, bastion and yin-yang. Otherwise a strong faction. Kislev suffers from a hard start, but it`s allright. The demons, depends. Some like Kugath are broken....others are ok. The Realm of Chaos campaing is broken AF. No fun in there, and they will not even try to fix it. So overall, why would anyone buy WH3 if all you get is broken content? There`s a chance that CA just leaves it behind, and moves on. For me it seems like they are at their witts end. Didn`t make any progress with WH3. At least the sieges are fixed now. Maybe there`s hope.

[@IbstarYT]

I think ca opening up IE for everyone is a great sign that they are going to back this game and try to fix the remaining issues in the future A proper lategame is probably last on their mind but I think for long term fans the most desired change, right now game is as you said too easy/snowball heavy

[@diogovieira5563]

I just tried the weekend free experience and decided to not buy this shit. Warhammer 2 is still better one year later.

[@Kelso540]

It released with outright broken mechanics and an incredibly badly designed main campaign. And in terms of balance and playability it played like it hadn't been tested. You could write a paragraph about how unenjoyable the AI is versus II. AI diplomacy feels just as borked as before too if not worse. CA communication was terribad. Immortal Empires still feels like a beta in some ways. Sieges. They somehow made these worse. I dunno. This game feels like something was way wrong at the studio during development.

[@IbstarYT]

Yeah the dlc team taking over has me way more confident for the future though, wh2 was also rough on launch and look how that ended up ! Give me a lizardmen rework + 1-2 more faction dlcs and vampire rebalancing and that alone will make it a dream game

[@KabotTV]

Hoping that the Chaos Dwarves save the franchise

[@IbstarYT]

Early signs look really good ! The campaign map especially is crazy

[@ThePatrvq]

worth to buy now? I likeed total war rome :)

[@IbstarYT]

Yes well worth buying now especially as a new player !

[@juli140493]

Why plp keep complaining about the blood dlc is $3

[@RafaloweGranie]

For siege i recommend no tower mod cuz they are annoying

[@IbstarYT]

Yeah I think CA will make that default soon anyway once they tune the seiges a little more, having a few towers built from start right now just crushes the AI.

[@AAGEnzee]

1:55 I agree with the idea, but the Ogres were actually quite good and borderline broken when they released. Gorgers were OP for early/mid game, and their late game units are solid. Their Maw magic had some very good spells. They were definitely better than most of the chaos factions, save Khorne.

[@Jinpachin]

i will buy all DLC for whatever price cuz we have mods but warhammer 3 is the biggest downgrade from HAM 2 from traits being bad, sieges are worse, bugs still in the game from Ham 1..........and everyone screams war on me in 5 turns.......

[@IbstarYT]

Yeah line of sight bugs are still making my skaven gunner runs a nightmare, maybe next year with more updates the game will be fun to return to but right now im taking a long break from the series

[@SleepyFen]

I played almost 3000 hours of WH2, and I can honestly say that, at this point, I would rather load up a WH3 campaign than another WH2 one. The game is in a much, much better state now than it was during launch, and with IE being available to all WH3 owners, now is as good a time as any to get into it, especially with the unbinding of DLC from their old games. The thing that most annoys me about the game isn't actually the game itself; it's the handful of negative people who still stubbornly refuse to acknowledge that the game isn't dying, isn't complete trash and hasn't been abandoned by the devs even though they've been spamming every comment section in every video about the game since it launched. I get that the game launched in a bad state - we were all there to experience it - but there's a difference between criticizing CA for the botched launch and providing useful feedback for the betterment of the game, and then actively trying to smother the game's reputation and ruin people's interest by spreading false rumors because they're more interested in being able to say "we told you so" than getting a good game at the end of the day. It creates a really shitty experience for a new player when their first excited comment gets bombarded with negativity by those who only want to see the game die, and it's extremely annoying for those of us who actually want to see the game succeed and become as good as it can be.

[@IbstarYT]

I’m hoping I’m not being included in the second camp there but I do agree I have seen that sentiment elsewhere and even in this comment section. I just wish given the wait they had done more you know, like give us a proper end game even if it’s something basic like old realm divide, let’s see some more unique quests and interactions between factions even if it’s just another faction sending empty threats or warning player not to go to certain parts of the map etc

[@SleepyFen]

@@IbstarYT I think you're more on the neutral side, which I can respect - although I will say, mentioning the blood dlc is beating a dead horse after 7 years :P I definitely think we have more in store for the late game, but I also think CA did the right thing by primarily focusing on fixing the foundation before adding too much new content. The end game crisis feels like a patchwork solution until we get something more permanent down the line. Bringing back things like the Vampire Coast's infamy system and quest to hunt down Amanar could work as a great optional win condition, I think, and the same goes for things like Arkhan's showdown with the Tomb Kings at the Black Pyramid. To me, the issue with the Vortex and Realm of Souls campaigns were always that the victory conditions weren't optional and had you running on a timer. But DLCs featuring their own win conditions separated from those campaigns have always been massive hits, so hopefully that's something they'll embrace and work into the game over the coming years.

[@IbstarYT]

The blood dlc was partially gripes but also because I didn’t want to be accused of dlc fanboyism :p I will probably review the script I wrote for this video in the future I think it came across too negative for my liking at least based off comments which is a shame since the total war games are my most played on steam ( outside cs go ) What did you think of the intro sequence for wh3 ? Since playing that it even made immortal empires less .. cool .. I really hope ( though not expecting it ) they somehow work minor narrative elements like that into this or future games Like image a rome 3 with those story style beats added depending on key choices made in the campaign .. maybe also adding those funny movies shogun 2 had !

[@williamhenry8914]

WH3 is the GOAT

[@aaronhumphrey3514]

Immortal Empires is really good. Realms of Chaos not so much.

[@IbstarYT]

Can you imagine if they did that prologue style intro as a full mini choice based campaign though instead of ROC ..that would have been awesome !

[@meister9416]

The only thing which bothers me is that that the game doesn't run smoothly on MacOS

[@IbstarYT]

You could try bootcamping mac if thats still a thing !

[@fallenhero4550]

Nothings wrong, it's about to get a major DLC update with the Chaos Dwarfs and with CA allowing all players to experience Immortal Empires, more and more people will flock to the game, especially as time goes on. You brought up Rome II, by far one of the worst launches in history and I still play it to this day, it's one of the best Total War games to play and is apart from the Warhammer games, the most played Total War on Steam.

[@IbstarYT]

Rome 2 also benefits a lot from divide et imperia mod overhaul. I know for me and a lot of others it’s the only reason to go back to Rome 2

[@garrettfisher7185]

This game is awesome now that we have IE and chaos dwarfs coming really soon. The game is on the up and is gonna get even better. People need to stop hating the launch was rough but now we are past that and it's great. FYI I took a long break after release and came back once they released IE.

[@IbstarYT]

Agreed, hope a lizardmen rework is coming soon too the geoweb would make the faction 10/10. I just wish we didnt have to sit out a whole year of its release, and they had done more with seige/endgame stuff

[@ducpass5166]

Tw warhammer OP!

[@bjorn-falkoandreas9472]

It took a year or so until Norska was available in Mortal Empires. People are comparing refined WH2 at its end to WH3 at its start. That being said, the Chaos campaign in WH3 was a buggy mess of bad idea. They didn't learn at all from Vortex and didn't offer a sandbox version from the get-go. The "Disable Portals" mod were just about the first mods people wanted.

[@IbstarYT]

Still don’t know why they didn’t do a more cinematic on rails style campaign for each faction like the intro. Then IE could have given the sandbox !

[@changsiah2]

To say pretty good but yeah I did feel like waiting for patch notes and as well as a lot DLC stuff happenings and also DLC husband have been a slow pace in more recent years But honestly I'll give it maybe at least four or five years time Anyways can't wait for the chaos dwarf and whatever is going to be coming soon And yeah I also remember that project Jackel (but that's a story for another day as well as taking a bit of the development) S4 new Warhammer games I would say 40K is a maybe but wait for want to see if they can do something with guns more As for age of sigmar I will put it under maybe to somewhat least likely does by people recently being a bit more open up to age of sigmar recent years

[@IbstarYT]

I agree 40k is probably a long way off ( if it even happens ) but sigmar is probably the next warhammer game .. its not that different to current ones and is pushed a lot by games workshop, maybe they might do something like lord of the rings or game of thrones in between ? I think for sure though the next game is the new 3 kingdoms remake since it was announced a while ago either that or medieval 3 that long time fans have been asking for forver :p

[@changsiah2]

@@IbstarYT a lord of the rings or game of thrones sounds like a cool idea Source for the Three kingdoms remake

[@AFel-pp1hp]

How anybody can dislike this game as of right now is beyond me. This is literally the most polished any Total War game has ever been. People from every single gaming community like to complain and complain about what changes devs can make so that they make the "perfect" game for them. But truth is, if you're at the point where you have to pick apart every little thing that isn't "perfect" about a game, then you're probably playing too much. I understand fixing glitches and mechanics that just DON'T WORK - but those get ironed out eventually. Maybe we should be grateful that we can spend $80 on a game and squeeze out hundreds, if not thousands of fun out of it. Videogames in general are literally the best money-to-fun ratio you'll ever get.

[@IbstarYT]

I mean I love the total war warhammer games, I think my intro maybe gave off a way more negative impression than I intented. My main issue was I felt like while it was more polished than expected they didnt add really much of anything or fix any of the big isssues from wh2 mortal empires. Like say they released this game as a map expansion + qol update to wh2 it would have been recieved mostly the same as opposed to a sequel where you would expect a bit more progression right ?

[@AFel-pp1hp]

@IbstarV1 well you got better AI and diplomacy, a new IE map, 7 new races, UI improvements, and a new campaign. Pretty good to me 👌

[@amenoraswtor9717]

personally I absolutely love tww3 and it is exactly where I expected it to be and I'm having a blast painting the entire map. I did love three kingdoms... for about 10 hours or so and got incredibly bored due to the lack of diversity of factions. But in general I think this is going to be a general issue with any future non-fantasy TW. The thing is in TW3 there is a faction for every taste. Or to try something new. Also note I am a huge sucker vor warhammer but I also played every previous game for many thousands (combined) of hours so I got comparison. Wasn't a huge fan of realm of chaos but I really did enjoy the kislev and cathay one a lot. Currently playing my 12th or so full campaign, this time with Valkya having about 18 vassals and it is absolutely hilarious. What I don't quite get is the ppl complaining that the AI is weak and nonexistent. Because for some reason my enemies are constantly throwing 2-3-4 armies with high tier units at me. Sure they are pretty braindead on the battlefield but I don't consider cathay having 86 settlements at turn 90 "weak" AI play.

[@IbstarYT]

I think it was rougher for 3k since the factions all had the same culture too which made battles a lot more samey, something like mediaeval 3 would be awesome even today ... or even empire 2 !!!! What difficulty are you playing on ? I have very hard campaign and didnt really get much pressure from any faction after first 50 or so turns despite playing more "evil" factions like greenskins/chaos/vamps. That said I was hoping CA did something thematic like faction events or something for late game not just spawning more doomstacks

[@amenoraswtor9717]

@@IbstarYT While I'd welcome either without a shadow of a doubt, I think it would maybe chain me for a couple hours, maybe even 100 or a bit more but it would get stale VERY quick no matter how good skilltrees or mechanics are. Because fantasy, including warhammer somewhat has no limit in faction creativity because they can just make up new stuff if they feel like it. You can't really do that in a historical game sadly. And we are so spoiled with the sheer mass of choice what to play in WH there really is something for MOST people. (Funnily the ones crying around the most actually either never tried the game at all or played like one faction or two) I am mostly playing on VH/H difficulty, sometimes on legendary/VH if I'm feeling fancy. Well usually I don't get much pressure the first 20-30 turns but after that is quite some time of pressure. Obviously it is depending on playstyle. I am currently playing a Khalida campaign on VH/H and I declared war on grimgor who was quite a bit away and he stomped every faction in his way to get to me and is now far south with about 10 fullstack endgame armies despite not being an endgame scenario and even tho I'd consider myself a pretty decent TW player with thousands of hours, I admit struggling against that. (Also doesn't help that Skarsnik is sending like 5 more endgame armies with one of them being a halfstack of big spiders.) At least for me this is pretty standard tho I mostly tend to declare war on almost everyone I encounter haha

[@danvictory7377]

I'll never get my 600 hours back and I have no regrets 😂

[@IbstarYT]

My man’s just finished his first empire campaign I take it :p Feels like I got at least a hundred or two with grimgor

[@AlexanderTheGoodEnough]

the wh3 campaign sucked. no two ways about that. but the "game" (if you count it from wh1 to wh3 and all the dlc) has only ever gotten better. has certain meta changed? yes. honestly why the fuck are you whining about the blood dlc? it was only ever a 3 dollar cost, carried over across each new iteration and the only thing that ever annoyed me about it was that it wasn't "enabled" in wh3 and wh2 at release (which it in fact was, if you wanted to waste a day or two editing game files each time it was patched). which never made much sense, unless each new "game" required purchasing the "blood pack dlc" each time (which it never did). their programmers had to waste time removing code only to re-add it later just to make all this happen as it was. fucking stupid, but at least they didn't charge more despite wasted manhours.

[@IbstarYT]

Yeah I mentioned at the end its overall an improvement but as I said in another comment as fans who have been playing since the beginning can we say its not disappointing to be here a year later with the latest update being the roadmap update is delayed ? Thing is with blood dlc nothing about it makes sense like take game 3, by now we got rivers of blood in the game with the blood gods faction itself in the game .. and yet the blood dlc is locked away behind a dlc. Sure for long-time players like us its no big deal but its not a good experience for new players and to be honest do we really think its just to get around age ratings now? Im pretty sure it was also the reason so many animations were broken back on launch day too. That said I didnt realise you could edit the game files to enable it, kinda cool wish I knew about that last year.

[@AlexanderTheGoodEnough]

@@IbstarYT fair enough. how they managed blood dlc never made any damned sense despite its one time cost. which at 3 dollars....really isn't worth the bitching but hardly worth their time and effort and tanking the criticism. honestly, i'm more hopeful for the future than I was before. They seem like they're going to be packing in quite a lot of content and will have to catch up to current warhammer IP in this game as there will be no warhammer 4. chaos dwarves man!!! i'm stoked. then hopefully Nagash in a Vampire Counts oriented DLC and rework and Thanquil (though skaven are S tier still). the rest? we need some serious Bretonia love as well as some empire buffs...and ogres need a fuller roster.

[@IbstarYT]

Nagash hopefully will flesh out the vampires mechanics more even though they got a rework already they defo feel flat in the campagin map, though raise dead is op right now. I think thanquil will bring some council of 13 mechanic with him since skaven are missing them though I have no idea how their roster will get expanded further. Do you think they will do a age of sigmar warhammer game next or some other fantasy ip ? Cant image them ever going back to 100% historical after this though I will always dream of a 40k game no matter how much reddit says its impossible.

[@AlexanderTheGoodEnough]

@@IbstarYT age of sigmar. warhammer IP has proven to be very lucrative. so either more of the same keeping up to date with games workshops releases or they start over and do a 40k total war. don't think 40k is impossible. we had a taste of naval combat in Rome II, they can expand on that I dont doubt. whether that is actual 3d space combat or maps that are just "boarding parties" fought on a fleets Capital Ship. who knows! just see a lot of possibility.

[@alikh4541]

Am i the only one who thinks WH3 is boring a lil bit?i dont know why but i can play Mortal empires way longer than Immortal empires

[@IbstarYT]

Probably anti player bias once ca tune it some more wh3 will be way more fun

[@KrytoRift]

Wow, couldn't disagree more. I play it incessantly and enjoy the hell out of it. I neglect my Xbox series x to keep playing 🤷

[@IbstarYT]

Did you play wh1 and 2 as well ? I can imagine for players who didn’t this is an absolute banger. My issue is mostly from wh2 to now a year after release it’s not that different from where we left off with most of the same issues as before for long time players Still a great game though, just wish it had done more given the wait.

[@KrytoRift]

@@IbstarYT I've been playing since wH2. So, not a new player. Also, I still disagree. How does it have to be different? It's wH. Why play Warhammer if you want something different?

[@IbstarYT]

I suppose different is the wrong word, maybe … evolved !? Take the end of wh2 mortal empires, everyone who’d been playing a while had same experiences of Fun start teching up, expansion with some treaties if order faction or mass war decelerations if not ( or low reliability ) into a pretty easy snowball leaving maybe 1-2 major factions by turn 100ish or sooner on earlier difficulties Then you had chaos invasion which was meh or the option to do the same few sieges offensively or defensively ( with same crap garrisons ) In wh3 it’s the exact same with an easier snowball not mega factions got nerfed, and bigger siege maps made most of the old siege issues worse

[@KrytoRift]

@@IbstarYT oh, I agree that it still has issues. Sieges are definitely not fun. Especially minor settlement. But idk man, rarely have I played a game that has this much value for its money. Given the scope of the game, it's understandable that there's a few misfires here and there. It's made by people and they have bad ideas or implement good ones poorly sometimes. Yes, I guess you could call me a fan boy but Warhammer and the total war series in general got me through some tough shit in the last few years

[@ninsanity8184]

Er.... what are you talking about? WH3 Immortal empires might be the best strategy game ever, and is constrantly improving. Also the pre-order factions are great - Chaos warriors received a MASSIVE and amazing update, Norsca received updates and a are fun too. And what is wrong with Ogres? They might not be perfect, but if past is prologue, you can expect them to get big free updates.

[@IbstarYT]

I can agree its on track to be the best ever and will prob beat sc2/DOW1 by the end but cmon man Norsca and Ogres are like the two worst factions in the game .. My point in the video was preorder was never really a must because the preorder dlcs were mostly bad on launch which hasnt changed, its been better to just wait for the dlc that reworks them and get that instead or wait for a sale.

[@dailydoseofrandom652]

For me WH2 is the best for me WH3 is kind of really weird and cartoonist.

[@IbstarYT]

It might just be the lighting, like snow maps for dark elves were bugged for ages perma blinding your eyes. Once its all fixed I think the new map looks stupidly good !

[@dailydoseofrandom652]

@@IbstarYT and about the blood too I look unreal to me not like WH 2

[@SuperRedarmy123]

it free 3 game wh in im

[@dr_yeet9399]

The game just came out of beta. Which means the devs only just deemed it perfectly play worthy and worth its full value. Which after a solid year is completely fair, people seem to forget how absolutely gargantuan the game itself is. Its essentially 3 games, developed over many years combined into one. In terms of how that would work on a developer level its an almost guaranteed nightmare to manage and I bet hell for any game coder to figure out. I understand the frustration with waiting but on a realistic level its always gonna be long waits for content, and that's for the better I would rather wait an extra few months for functional gameplay than get it early and buggy like the beta was which proves that waiting is better. People complained about the beta being buggy. People complain about long waits. You physically cannot please everyone sadly. I comprehend other annoying aspects though such as the back to back to back Chaos content and everyone getting "Chaos Fatigue" in WH3 that is completely justified and to be honest the truth, CA shoulda spread out this chaos content rather than insisting chaos needed more n more. Basically like Ibstar said, in WH2 the chaos invasion was a wet sponge, pathetic and never really a problem so WH3 has constantly ramped up Chaos to be. Well. Like Chaos should be however the focus on it is really tiring, no one wants to use the same slightly altered units constantly which is essentially the Chaos roster in a nutshell. Also yeah the Realms of Chaos was uhhhh... To put it bluntly a bit crap. Good video all around in terms of criticisms, also apologies for the wall of text.

[@IbstarYT]

You made a lot of great points, I will say my main thing was that the dev work they did do to change the game didnt really hit like the much hyped siege rework ... still given its current state I am hopeful in the future they rebalance/update some of these mechanics like the garrisons ! Agreed on wait, chaos dwarfs look amazing and deep mechanically which is nice, their communication was not good though even given the wait, if they needed more time they could have said so instead of radio silence at a time when the community was already on edge. One other thing about chaos is .. they are wayyy to OP in auto resolve too which might be contributing to the fatigue people have facing them, they just steamroll everyone at the moment. ROC was yeah .. meh but I dream of CA making a full mini campaign in the style of the intro .. like a choice based narrative warhammer game something like witcher 3 mini campaign gwent game that released on steam

[@dr_yeet9399]

Oh sorry I realised it looks like I was talkin about ya video in my comment yeah I was just puttin my opinion out there and mostly aiming it at the odd comment you see about waiting a long time for content and using your video as points of agreement where it mattered to what I was saying. Garrisons are a hot point of issue for sure some factions garrisons are useless whereas others aren't the balance is definitely out the window there and on top of that all the small things such as faction specific HUDs in WH2 and getting a whopping 3 different types in WH3 etc its the small things that make the difference too. ROC and the tutorial feel so dangerously different it does make you wonder if they made ROC worse on purpose for Immortal Empires hype, genuine tin foil hat theory stuff but ya never know. Also damn yeah the auto resolve itself needs a rework or tuning tbh, there are units such as gutter runners which dominate in actual battle but due to their low armour the auto resolve kills them half off every time you use it, same for all low armour or gunpowder units. It feels like auto resolve relies WAY WAY WAY too much on armour as a statistic in unit survivability which in tow makes the Chaos factions mega super cringe in auto resolve due to them all havin high armour.

[@eyibilf]

03:25 Broken diplomacy and no late game fun in a Total War game, how shocking.

[@IbstarYT]

They have shown some good ideas/mechanics in other historical games so I’m hoping some of them make their way in future updates to Warhammer games

[@rorschach1985ify]

3K literally had the entire community agree that it was actually good and the best it ever has been. Why the hell should anyone expect less after CA finally got it right?

[@garyscarisbrick8621]

900+ hours and counting :)

[@IbstarYT]

Damn, dont tell me thats all with just the empire :p

[@garyscarisbrick8621]

@@IbstarYT haha if only, ive played them a few times now and they are better than they used to be but still have a hard time with some enemies. If they got some new units and another rework i might put 900 hours into them lol

[@IbstarYT]

What factions you playing the most then ? I havent really found myself able to really get into the new ones since they either feel a little short in roster ( base 4 ) or brokenly OP like chaos.

[@garyscarisbrick8621]

@@IbstarYT I try to mix it up with a lot of different ones but i've had a lot of success with lizardmen, Dark elves, Skaven, Empire, Warriors of chaos and Skarbrand. Havnt tried them all yet but Archaon and Belakor are pretty fun for Chaos.

[@goatscream8345]

2.1 million views on the trailer of the recently announced DLC for Chaos Dwarfs, 19k players on steam rn. Recent reviews are Very Positive on Steam, Immortal Empires is free. Idk man seems like dead and hated game to me amirite?

[@IbstarYT]

Aside from a small vocal minority I dont think anyone acc believes wh3 is dead or bad, if you meant me I love the series just wish they had done more with wh3 .... Once Chaos Dwafs are out and hopefully + a few old faction reworks ( lizardmen plz ) its gonna be 11/10 game !

[@zanderman4059]

I was never a fantasy guy. I like my down to earth, reasonable and understandable worlds where common law applies. I tried Warhammer 3 as I knew it was most likely to be the last in its series to see what the fantasy experience was like. It is not that great. I can see why people like it but I am over here auto resolving basically 90% of my battles(especially the sieges) wishing I was playing Medieval 2 instead. Then I figured out you had to buy the older games and some of its primary DLC in order to unlock most of the 3rd game's content and my Paradox senses started telling me to bail before it was too late. Overall not really looking to play it again unless its MP with friends.

[@IbstarYT]

It’s been opened up recently so you can play without older games ( finally ! ) You could get a mod that makes auto resolve weaker , I basically have to get one whenever playing chaos factions since I have never seen auto resolve not give me the win with them

[@brunomattos1130]

It's just like Warhammer 2. I love Warhammer 2 now, but when it lauched, it had only the vortex campaing and you could only play as High Elves, Dark Elves, Skaven and Lizardmen. If you guys thought that Warhammer 2 would launch like a full DLC game, you were deluded. I only really dislike the graphics, they look like a mobile game graphics

[@IbstarYT]

Given wh3 launched aftter wh2 its reasonable to expect it to at least be at the same level as it, which I dont think it was until end of last year after a few IE patches. Im surprised you dislike the graphics, most people dislike the simple battles or diplomacy etc but you must be the first person I met who dislikes the graphics, what settings you playing on ? Watching the cool animations is like half the fun for me

[@brunomattos1130]

@@IbstarYT I like the diplomacy. I just played the free WH3 weekend. They fixed some problems from WH2, like the flying units being able to be on walk mode, more diplomatic options, etc. I heard that the WH3 infantry can't hold a line, that enemies just go through it if they want, but I didn't see it at all, the enemy tried to kill some of my archers and the spearmen intercepted them really well. I am not defending CA, they should release a more complete game, and fix a lot of other things, their "siege overhaul" is ridiculous as well. But the game itself isn't bad. The graphics suck to me, looks like mobile game graphics, the WH1 and 2 graphics have a more grim dark atmosphere. And tbf I will not buy the game now, I will only buy it in the future if the new DLC's are good and they fix the things that need fixing

[@brunomattos1130]

@@IbstarYT My PC isn't that beefy, I put some minor things in medium graphics but I like the textures and unit details on ultra.

[@razgrizz5996]

Ooooooooooook so this video kinda seems like a frustrated whack in the dark at warhammer 3. So first, they effed their launch, big time. Realms of chaos was terrible, they literally had so much backlash they had to start over really. So yes, WH3 has been kinda in a dead zone. BUT, the mods for the game are insanely good, the factions are all pretty good except the ones that were brand new. I've been playing total war since i was 8, CA has always effed up, and then finally come around, WH3 is no different, and the new content is definitely going to be good and worthwhile. Wh3 isnt dead by a longshot and is going to be around and thriving for years

[@IbstarYT]

I pretty much said what you wrote in the video, there was even a section about mods. I will add time stamps for future ones. That said SFO is pretty awesome now, I’m excited for chaos dwarves but really hoping the lizard men campaign rework comes soon once geomatic web is decent that faction will be hype.

[@WhipDarling]

It ain’t dead but it’s defo on life support.

[@serggoms8532]

a game with no soul

[@IbstarYT]

I would agree with that for launch wh3 but the current state with ie available to everyone it’s still got the heart of wh2 which is amazing. Hopefully in a year or two it will be even better !

[@WhipDarling]

So poorly made, shocking how bad they dropped the ball with it.

[@SleepyFen]

@@WhipDarling The game is great and only getting better and better, but some people just won't change their minds because they don't like being wrong.