What happened when the Melvins toured with Nine Inch Nails !

[@drpibisback7680]

Feels very classically Melvins that the response to the audience rebelling against the music wasn't adjustment or indifference, but just laying instruments against the speakers and giving the audience pure feedback instead. "You like that, assholes?"

[@MarkDeutrom]

More of a Zen approach...

[@nancycraig3984]

I was at the Dallas show. It was very cold that day and we had waited several hours outside because we had GA tickets and wanted to be close to the stage. I feel like maybe the venue staff were being jerks, or the show started a little late, or we were let in late or something weird, I don’t remember exactly but yes everyone was kind of riled up. I remember people starting fires outside before the show trying to stay warm. But yeah I remember people tearing up the floor and throwing it at you guys. I was shocked and pissed off because I was enjoying the show & realized that they were putting the band in a lot of danger and it bothered me how so many people were ok with putting you guys in harms way and going along with it. That was not cool at all. I’m glad everyone was ok. I feel like I remember seeing one of the band members get hit in the head but you said you got hit in the chest so maybe that’s what I remembered. But yeah, not cool. You guys are great. I feel like I had seen you a few months before with White Zombie so I was looking forward to seeing you guys again. I do remember someone coming on stage saying NIN wasn’t going to play if anyone else threw anything on stage but I had forgotten that was Trent himself! I’m glad he did that. Anyway you guys are great. I always enjoyed seeing you guys.

[@MarkDeutrom]

Thanks for sharing that. Sometimes there was a weird psychic energy floating around some of those things in the 90's and that show is a perfect example. Great to hear an audience perspective as things could get surreal at times.

[@nancycraig3984]

@@MarkDeutrom that’s absolutely true about shows sometimes. I imagine what the audience is feeling is felt stronger by the band. Surreal is definitely a good way to describe it when the vibes go high like that good or bad. Just so you know, I think people were already being jerks and angry way before you guys went on. It just sucks it went down that way.

[@MarkDeutrom]

Once enough time goes by it gets filed under "legendary" but an unruly crowd is unpredictable and rapidly gets into a mob mentality. You also notice more if you're completely sober !

[@djdruemitchell]

I was at the Dallas show!!! I remember them throwing the floor pieces, but don't remember the noise song you guys played. Didn't NIN come out to like a droning loud noise then rip into Wish. Another thing about the flooring, they put boards down after that incident and at a Pantera show a few months later were picking the boards up and someone else would surf on it while it was being hoisted up. Damn, so wild, now ppl just start at they phones lol

[@MarkDeutrom]

Nice story ! I don't remember the "song" we played either...I had heard that the set was filmed but nothing has emerged yet. Different times to be sure....

[@djdruemitchell]

@@MarkDeutrom I went to the WZ meet & greet 'after' that Dallas show, we were more interested in talking to Sean & J. I have the backstage pass still, so it was funny to hear the story about that. Saw you several times w/ the Melvins then and met you at the L7/Wool show at Deep Ellum Live. Everyone was beyond cool, like you guys, Pete signed my vinyl copy of Box Set and L7 took us on their bus to hang out, magical magical times ANYWAY thank you for doing all this content! My only question would be, if you from El Paso how/when/why you get up to Washington?

[@paulpsycho78]

Very interesting I've heard the kids tore the floor at the melvins tool 97 at fair park coliseum. So the meovins must have had a very peculiar deja vu

[@MartinSmith-t5k]

I saw this tour in San Jose. This was before the Melvins joied on. Marylin Manson was the opener. Great show.

[@FacelessFlesh666]

Man i am so happy to have come across this channel.Love these stories,what a treasure trove of fascinating insights.

[@MarkDeutrom]

Thanks for being here.

[@dezoetebiet2997]

Awesome! Thank you for sharing these stories Mark. Enjoying them very much! Best whishes, Niels

[@MarkDeutrom]

Thank you so much for watching. I'm not sure if all of this is my life or someone else's !

[@dezoetebiet2997]

Sounds like an amazing life! Stonerwitch and Stag are 2 of my favorite Melvins records and I have been enjoying them since they came out. You talking about the songs and shows of that time opens up the experience even more. Feeling so grateful for your artistic craftmanship and proud to say I got to see you play live a couple of times in that era. Thank you for the music Mark @@MarkDeutrom

[@MarkDeutrom]

Thanks for the kind words ! Glad I still have some insights to share at this point. Certainly no one has my perspective except for me on this. Please take a look at the Riffology and Mark Deutrom playlists here if you haven't. Lots of cool stuff to check out...also please subscibe to the channel as it helps me ! I appreciate you watching !

[@ScaryGarrySG1]

@@dezoetebiet2997 This is what is so great about that era of the Melvins, they literally played EVERY TYPE OF SHOW POSSIBLE. Opening for bands that had crowds that HATED them, opening for crowds that loved them, in-stores where almost no one showed, PACKED in-stores (I have fond memories of a GREAT in-store the band played at a small store called Dingleberries in Dayton ,Ohio before opening for White Zombie at Dayton's Hara Arena later that night. I was struck by how different those 2 sets were, maybe with a feeling that most bands would just play the same set. So... I found out you could see the Melvins twice in the same night and each show was going to be completely different. That in-store was in a very small store, yet packed. I don't know if too many people "got" the Melvins at the time, but for decades after that whenever I had a Melvins shirt on around town, people would mention that they came to that instore and became fans later. People STILL talk about it! Great memories!

[@sevensilverflowers]

My favorite era of melvins was Buzz, Mark and Dale. This channel has been a treasure trove of minutiae and brings back fond memories. Also, thank you documenting 'Party With God' from Sacrilege B.C. Thankful that they are now a part of Bay Area music history. Long days and pleasant nights.

[@MarkDeutrom]

Thanks for watching. Reissue of Party with God just out on Southern Lord !

[@widell78]

I appreciate these stories, Mark. I sure would love to see/hear an episode on the production / stories behind Gluey Porch Treatments. This album is top tier.

[@MarkDeutrom]

It's on the list ! Thanks for watching.

[@russstedman]

Hi Mark! I was at the Sioux Falls show. As your story goes, nothing really unusual happened on stage, but I do remember you guys coming out and playing relentlessly slow, which seemed like a conscious choice to rile up the crowd of midwestern NIN dorks, and a fine choice it was! Personally, I had a passing interest in NIN by this point and zero interest in watching a bunch of acrobats hang themselves on hooks, so I’m glad the Melvins were there. It made the evening worth leaving the house for. 😅

[@MarkDeutrom]

Thanks for the story. We usually played the same set throughout a tour so that was normal for us regardless of location. It was definitely challenging for us and also audiences at times.

[@trob1731]

I saw a bio video about Trent and in it is a clip of the dressing room venting session. You can see Buzzo holding a beer and looking not sure if he should be there, lol!

[@MarkDeutrom]

I can assure you Buzz was NOT holding a beer !

[@coryfusting9294]

Thank you for sharing these stories! The White Zombie tour is gonna be wild to hear about!

[@MarkDeutrom]

I wish it could be wild !!! Really it's going to be about the disappointment of about "adults" should behave.

[@markw110]

@@MarkDeutrom . Thats funny

[@gweganderson]

This tour was my first time seeing the Melvins having been a fan for a few years. It was in Topeka KS and I remember the crowd being into you guys. I was over the moon because we thought we were seeing Pop Will Eat Itself ( the band you filled for) so I remember walking into the place and seeing Melvins merch. My young dumb ass asked a random security guard "Are the Melvins playing tonight!?!?" and he just looks at the merch and says something like "Looks like it." and walked away. We came up to you guys after the show and you were loading your van I think but we came up and asked if you were going to play Lawrence and Buzz was pretty short with us and said "yeah we usually play there.". Even at 18 we could tell you guys were beat and weren't in the mood to be punished by 3 18 year old music geeks. Anyway I love the stories and the channel! It's great and I hope you're well.

[@MarkDeutrom]

Thanks for sharing that ! Keeping up with a big tour like that was always a challenge with a van and so there wasn't much time for quality social interactions... I've always appreciated the interactions with fans, but I'm also a fan myself so I know there's no perfect time to talk with someone you have a chance to meet. It's absolutely a crap shoot but I've always gone for it. I have a video about meeting the great guitarist Andres Segovia when I was 16 kzbin.info/www/bejne/jJrIcqmBebR3o6M

[@gweganderson]

@@MarkDeutrom That's amazing!

[@rebelwithasixstring]

Omg I was there as a kid. Up in the seats!!! It was my first concert at the time. I Ioved yall and I felt so bad for yall lol.

[@MarkDeutrom]

haha...wish I would have been up in the seats also...safer !!

[@Vector2112]

I remember hearing about the infamous Dallas NIN show. I was just getting into the Melvins at the time and really wanted to go but had to work. Anyway, some friends of mine went to that gig and said the crowd was unruly from the get-go and were being gigantic pricks, tearing the floor up and throwing it onstage. The fact that the Melvins handled it accordingly and with such poise by running feedback through the amps and Dale smashing his gong, etc. only made me love them even more. King Buzzo also taunted the crowd, which only made them even more irate. 😂 There’s a live recording of it somewhere, I think on one of the Am-Rep singles if I’m not mistaken. Dallas kinda has a reputation for that behavior, it seems. I remember seeing the Jesus Lizard as well as Primus around the same time there (mid 90s), and there sadly wasn’t a shortage of imbeciles throwing crap onstage. Anyway, I love this era of the Melvins. Stoner Witch and Stag are legendary. Great stuff, Mark!

[@MarkDeutrom]

Yes I think there is a side called Dallas on the singles of the month club from the next year. There's also one called Jacksonville but that was from either a Helmet or L7 tour. There's no pleasing an unruly crowd, but there's always more of them then there is of you ! I've seen a few rough ones at this point. I think the younger generations are more mellow. Thanks for watching ! BTW my level of subscribers is exactly 666 today !

[@ScaryGarrySG1]

@@MarkDeutrom If I remember correctly, on "Dallas" Buzz says..." ya know, I really don't think this is going too well"....LOL! 🤣🤣🤣

[@Boskitabawn]

Hey Mark, I’m really enjoying these stories. Was wondering if you would do a video about the Sound FX TV appearance. Any idea what happened to the sketch the artist drew while you guys were playing? Also the brutal version of Revolve, Roxy Bar for Italian TV. The interviews were hilarious!!

[@MarkDeutrom]

The Roxy Bar thing was a typically strange Italian experience. The host of the show had just bought a 12 string that belonged to Hendrix and he let me play it ! The Sound FX thing was more weirdness...I think a couple of guys from Duran Duran were there also...should have got their phone numbers. Not sure what happened to the sketch. Lost in the mists of time. Thanks for watching and please subscribe !

[@theechothief5594]

Thank you for sharing! I’ve watched Closure so many times. Too many haha!

[@MarkDeutrom]

I need to watch that...I've only been shown clips from it. Thanks for watching !

[@ColeWheeler4Lyfe]

I saw you in Dallas opening for Primus . Not sure which 90’s year/tour that was. Im glad I saw THAT Dallas show and wanted to compliment your live bass playing with the Melvins that night. I remember being throughly impressed with all of your runs. They Added a lot to the songs imho and you gave me new ideas for my own playing.

[@MarkDeutrom]

Thanks ! Probably 93 I think. Bass still challenges me as a guitar player !

[@trippshow3541]

All this is 100% true. I was on tour with Trent during DWS. You guys replaced Marilyn Manson. Trust me NIN paid for all of it! Salt Lake City was the worst.

[@MarkDeutrom]

It was definitely an experience !

[@JasonPizzolato]

If the exit sign never went down, it got the last laugh. If you listen closely, you can still hear it laughing as you read this...

[@MarkDeutrom]

It went down in the end but a table was needed !

[@thomasoneill6541]

Great channel and cool stories. I saw you with Melvins at Mississippi Nights - St. Louis in 96 I think, then at an in-store set before you guys played with Helmet a year or so later. I remember taking to Buzz and Dale after on the street but I don’t think you were standing out there with them. I like your shorts on each song from Stoner Witch and Stag. Would love to hear more about those albums and tours. Also how you got in the band and related stories. Thanks!

[@MarkDeutrom]

The thing I remember about Mississippi Nights was that later after the show there was almost a fight between a bouncer and some guy who came from Kansas for the show. The guy from Kansas yelled at the bouncer " You're from The Show Me State so why don't you show me something !!" It was so funny I thought I was in a movie for a minute ! Thanks for watching the shorts. They're from the longer ones, if you got the time. I've got more albums and tour to talk about, including my own ! Thanks for watching and please subscribe to the channel !

[@thomasoneill6541]

Good ol’ Missourah fight stories! Mississippi Nights was great.

[@Noboundsbynomeans72-fx7hf]

Yea thank you for sharing Mark.I have been listening too bellringer I really like the “Quitter” and the album in general. I can only imagine the an audience of wanting instant gratifications too the point where they cannot just realize that throwin shit at another human being is fucked up and childish but like Dixie Dave says “mankind is unkind man.” Yo mark did you ever play Ernie ball musicman’s like the stingray or the Sabre or big Al’s?

[@MarkDeutrom]

Quitter is for all those who quit, for better or worse !! Thanks for watching and listening. I've always been a Fender Strat/Tele/P Bass player for the duration. I thank you for spending your time here.

[@Jesus_H._Tap-DancingChrist]

I haven't seen the video of Buzz nailing a light fitting with NIN for a while. But it's fun segmenr

[@MarkDeutrom]

Only just saw it very recently for the first time. Still holds up !😂

[@Jesus_H._Tap-DancingChrist]

@@MarkDeutrom can I ask your opinion on what Buzz and Dale have been up to since you left? How do you rate the Rutmanis era Vs the Big Biz era Vs the current incarnation? And would you have liked to have played on the trilogy albums? TIA

[@MarkDeutrom]

Thanks for the question...I honestly don't have an opinion since I haven't listened to any of it. Might be hard to believe but it's true ! @@Jesus_H._Tap-DancingChrist

[@Leo-qe3gl]

I love both: nine inch nails AND melvins😌

[@MarkDeutrom]

Surprisingly, people like more than one kind of music !

[@Leo-qe3gl]

@@MarkDeutrom 😊

[@lepoisson]

Gotta love the boys "blowing off steam" as if being Keith Moon in the fucking Who for hours every night weren't enough. Nine Inch Nails entire thing at the time was catharsis. Really makes you think how much they actually left on stage.

[@lepoisson]

Also, a recording of the Dallas show was released on Singles 1-12 as the Jacksonville/Dallas 7"

[@MarkDeutrom]

I think for certain people just the grind of having to adhere to an unforgiving schedule was enough to provoke acting out...not having been in their shoes, I can't say, but I agree with your general principal ! I'm aware of the singles 1-12. I need to do a breakdown of that !

[@Princesslilly12]

May I ask why the cowboy hat you wore on tour? It confused me when I was 15 but kinda get it now

[@MarkDeutrom]

Keeps you cool when it's warm, and warm when it's cool. Also, it worked for Tom Mix and Slim Pickens. To quote Nicolas Cage : “a symbol of my individuality, and my belief in personal freedom,”

[@Princesslilly12]

@MarkDeutrom Understandable. It made me wonder, "Who is dude playing with King Buzzo and Dale Crover ". It added to the experience more than I can explain. But as 15 year old skaters we'd judge every thing that wasn't us. Stag is still a favorite LP for me and I can't thank you enough.

[@VuotoPneumaNN]

NIN should have taken Godflesh on tour instead. That would have been a better fit.

[@spacematter3645]

You never mention buzz or dale

[@MarkDeutrom]

I use the word "we", which pertains to Buzz, Dale, and myself.

[@123612100]

Why weren't you in the Melvins documentary?

[@MarkDeutrom]

Lori Black and I discussed it, and we both decided against it for personal reasons.

[@leoantonio]

I’ve never liked NIN. Just terrible. Just so boring.

[@MarkDeutrom]

I walked in with an open mind to this music. I heard a lot of anger, fear, and also sadness that resonated with me unexpectedly. I don't listen to much of this currently, but I hear and understand the language expressing it. This was just a moment of expression from a particular artist at a certain time. I have great respect for Trent and his current trajectory. He has been making some really interesting soundtrack music for 10 years or so.

[@RaAndTheGodsOfLoveFire]

Same here. All my misfit friends in high school thought NIN were so cool and I didn't understand their taste in them. NIN as you say are boring music. Along with New Metal, and hip hop.

[@biteof78]

@@RaAndTheGodsOfLoveFirecouldn’t have come up with a worse take if I tried

[@Tyrannosaurine]

@@biteof78yet you did without even trying. But I guess other people aren’t allowed to dislike what you listen to. Just imagine it…someone else having a differing opinion and you accepting that without feeling so self important that you need to insert yourself into the situation to tell them their opinion is wrong. When the person in front of you in line at a convenience store gets a different drink than you, do you tell them their taste in bottled water couldn’t be worse if they tried? When you are at a restaurant do you tell your cohorts that they’re idiots for getting the lasagna instead of the penne? Why does it bother you that someone else doesn’t care for a band that you like? Do you seriously feel so personally affected that you need to tell a stranger that they’re wrong for it? You must be a blast at a party. I guess I shouldn’t tell you my opinion on them…you might get broken and become a pretty hate machine and fuck me like an animal. Imagine being so angsty that your parents didn’t “get” you that you’re still this angry 30 years later. No thanks.

[@biteof78]

@@Tyrannosaurine Yeah I ain't reading all that, I get the gist tho. Point is that the guy posted his bad take on a comment section for the public to see, I respond to it, he doesn't respond, fair play. Imagine then being the guy to come on and play defense for some rando who never asked or needed it lol. Yes please! I love a good discussion, and if you weren't projecting so much perhaps you would too.

[@d_walsh]

You really did have some strange tours at the times with the melvins. Big tour as opening acts. Rush wh.zombie NIN tool

[@MarkDeutrom]

I'll talk about the Kiss adventure when I get the time. Thanks for watching !