What Happens After We DIE?

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A question put in good faith. If the self is an illusion what is it that is supposed to be reincarnated upon death? Does not this entire discussion rest on the prior assumption of a self or a soul, asserting as given that which must yet be proven? If energy and matter cannot be created or destroyed, and can only change their form in a world of constant impermanence, why would we assume consciousness itself to be a permanent feature of reality? I can never quite escape the suspicion that this assumption is yet another way that the ego is trying to smuggle wishful thinking in through the back door.

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Thank you for your deeply insightful question-it strikes at the very heart of what makes these topics so rich for exploration. Let's unravel this together. If the self is indeed an illusion, as many traditions suggest, what reincarnates? The Bardo Thodol (Tibetan Book of the Dead) offers an intriguing perspective: it is not a fixed self or ego that carries forward, but rather a stream of karmic imprints, like waves on the ocean. These imprints are said to carry the echoes of thought, action, and intention-not the self as we know it, but the residue of our lived experiences. On the question of consciousness and impermanence, you're absolutely right-consciousness as we experience it may not be permanent in the way we imagine. Some schools of thought propose that consciousness is more like a river: always flowing, always changing. What we call "self" may be just a transient eddy in that river. Could it be that what reincarnates is not a "thing" but a dynamic pattern of energy, shaped by cause and effect? As for the suspicion of ego and wishful thinking, your skepticism is well-founded. Many sages, from Nagarjuna to modern thinkers, caution us against clinging to comforting ideas. Perhaps the idea of reincarnation itself is a conceptual raft, one we use to cross the turbulent waters of impermanence. The challenge lies in not mistaking the raft for the shore. Your question reminds us of the importance of inquiry over certainty. Perhaps the ultimate teaching is to hold even our most cherished beliefs lightly, allowing the mystery to unfold without forcing it into the shapes we wish it to take. What are your thoughts? Does this resonate, or does the mystery only deepen?

[@seank4284]

@ The mystery only deepens. We tend to overlook or forget the fact that our own individual consciousness is married to an unconscious mind of which by definition we can have no direct knowledge. In the end some things will always be strange, and consciousness may never be fully understood in abstract conceptual terms. Perhaps it can only be experienced.

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@@seank4284 Well said-perhaps consciousness is meant to be experienced, not understood. Some mysteries, like consciousness, deepen as we explore them, reminding us that the journey itself may be the destination. Thank you for your thoughtful insight.

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Thank you for raising such a profound and existential question-one that echoes through the ages and continues to intrigue the human spirit. 🌌 Is life a journey or merely the end? And how do we discern between the two when our perceptions are so deeply influenced by faith, culture, and our momentary beliefs? You’ve touched on something essential: the power of questioning itself. The ancient Egyptians, for example, didn’t see the end as a cessation but as a transformation, a shift from one state of being to another, guided by forces like Heka-their sacred concept of magic and cosmic energy. To them, the boundaries between life and death were not finite but permeable, where the “end” became a passage into another phase of existence. Yet, you’re right to ask: what proof do we have? Perhaps the answer lies not in external evidence but in how we choose to engage with the mystery. Is it possible that the very act of questioning is the journey itself? The pursuit of meaning, the exploration of "what ifs," and the courage to confront the unknown may define the journey far more than any definitive answers ever could. Faith, as you point out, can frame our understanding, but it also invites us to look deeper-beyond the surface of belief and into the silence that follows the questions. It’s in that silence where we often find glimpses of something greater, though fleeting and intangible. The Egyptians believed that life was woven into the cosmos, an eternal cycle of creation, death, and rebirth. What if the “proof” lies not in an answer but in the patterns we observe-in nature, in ourselves, in the echoes of ancient wisdom? Perhaps it’s less about finding a conclusion and more about embracing the unfolding mystery.