What happens in Skyrim if Harkon wins?

If Harkon wins in Skyrim and beats the Dragonborn in the Dawnguard DLC then Skyrim would end up ruled by Vampires. Serana would not be impressed!

[@FudgeMuppet]

Remember Skyrim's vampires don't need to feed! Full deep dive with lots of considerations here kzbin.info/www/bejne/iZCcYp2BZsZ0m7s

[@baval5]

they dont need to, but they like to

[@Chuklz70]

I’m sure he wouldn’t be bored at least

[@Undomaranel]

Hence why Serana eats bread rather than ever biting anyone. Molag Bal is about _choosing_ domination and forcing others, so requiring his creations for feed would be less about them choosing his way and forcing others vs them just going along with his plans.

[@CountryLifestyle2023]

Ohhh I never knew that! Very interesting!

[@michaelpettersson4919]

Excuses not to prey on people sort of ruins the vampire concept. In the movie "Daybreakers", set in the modern world, vampires have taken over the world and the protagonist is one of them. In Daybreakers they have to work with the rules. Vampires have no reflection so a camera display a picture of the user on a screen i the bathroom. The protagonist is a hematologist desperatly trying to invent synthetic blood to feed the masses since without blood they wither into monstrosities. What little blood that can be harvested from the few remaining humans, that are kept in an artifical coma to be tapped for as much blood that they can survive to be rationed down to as little as a few drops in a cup of coffee.The few still free humans are mercilessly hunted to be captured. But Skyrim got it absolutely right, if Harkoon wins he ruins the world for everyone, including the vampires. Non Harkoon aligned vampires often gets it and may even offer bounties on vampires that threathens the masquerade. But in my opinion vampires SHOULD have a horror hunger. Imagine if Serana HAD to feed and it then would be a question of what targets she would be allowed to choose.

[@Galimeer5]

Imagine being able to side with Harkon, making Serana the final boss

[@thesurvivorssanctuary6561]

Does she get new powers?

[@shitygrity]

@@thesurvivorssanctuary6561 she’d probs jus go beast mode through powers she gained in the soul cairn or summin along those lines (but still get fucked by the DB’s max smithing and enchanting)

[@guerillagorilla4423]

@@shitygrity The DB would probably fuck her in other ways too 😳

[@nocturnal2284]

If that was possible would she get like new powers?

[@Spike2276]

​@@thesurvivorssanctuary6561 one has to imagine that her and Valerica are more powerful than Harkon since they are the ones who got the Volkihar strain of vampirism from Bal directly, and then likely passed it on to Harkon

[@GnuIsIn]

Pretty much what valerica said in game, it would attract too much attention to vampires and they would be wiped out

[@thesurvivorssanctuary6561]

They could hide underground, and subsist off human chattel alone; but ultimately, being the King of a dying world affords you less power then being a servant in a utopia.

[@DrLukeHart]

Some serious Teshum Mutna from Witcher 3 vibes.

[@6Tainted1370]

Exactly, in desperate times, there would most likely be unity, especially if there's a common goal...or whatever I dunno, I just want to sound intelligent.

[@badluck5647]

*Valerica:* _"If eternal night fell, there are many who wouldn't stand for it. They would raise armies in attempts to return things to normal. The order of the day would be our destruction until every last vampire was hunted down and eliminated."_

[@noangles1564]

I very much doubt the Thalmor and the Empire is gonna to team up. Honestly i think they'll try to blame each other, because people suck, and panicking people are vicious

[@SomeGuy-gc8zs]

Harkon didn't think things through that far; if all the mortals die, _what the fuck is he going to eat?_

[@sheogorath6834]

He doesn't need to feed.

[@swampdonkey1567]

Also red light works kinda for some plants and more importantly the sun isn't a sun its just a whole leading to magical energy from Magnus

[@absolutedegenerate2992]

​@@swampdonkey1567hole

[@sumgoofygoober]

Dwemers left artificial suns in their ruins.

[@maxwella.gamingps4631]

All mortals wouldnt die. Stop spreading this nonsense. The sun is blotted out, not blocked. The rays are still gonna feed the plants and bring warmth. All the red blot does is stop sypressing vampiric powers.

[@8-ball350]

Imagine a union between the empire, stormcloaks, aldmeri dominion, and every vampire hunting faction in Tamriel just knocking on harkon’s door one day 💀

[@thevashfan12392]

we'll call it "The Last Alliance" and it'll happen to end the 4th age and usher in the 5th age, but we'll call it "a new age" just to throw people off. then todd howard will pay-to-win the whole game and hire the entire marketing team of EA to turn everything into microtransactions.

[@epickrimson72]

That would have been a cool Season Unending alternative. The Empire, Stormcloaks, and Thalmor all agree to a temporary ceasefire to band together against Harkon

[@theonlineanimal6009]

You actually can make peace between the stormcloaks and the imperials. So the idea of them working together is very lore friendly

[@arthurfisher1857]

​@theonlineanimal6009 how? You can make a temporary truce but I didn't think you could make peace

[@theonlineanimal6009]

@@arthurfisher1857 you have to use the greybeards there are tutorials online.

[@mrclean29]

I think the “bloated sun” we see is more of a magical thing than just realistically blocking sunlight. Even when you do throw the arrow there is still light, it’s not as dark as nighttime. So i suppose crops and wildlife would continue to exist to some extent. Even Serana and Valerica who are against this plan do not mention the crops and wildlife dying, they just mention everybody would go against the vampires if he does it.

[@EA_SP0RTCENTER]

Ive always hated the "plants will die" theory, it comes off as a cope Its like they forget that novice mages can create balls of light that can hover over anything they want

[@Chris-es3wf]

​​@@EA_SP0RTCENTERagical balls of light probably arent the same thing, and the change in climate would clearly be a deathblow to majority of crops, leading to famine, rioting, and geneal disorder. So no, its not cope. All the light bulbs in the world wont help if the sun is blocked. Ffs.

[@baciotychu4704]

Thank you, i was gonna to write it myself. I still think harkon is an idiot but this theory is alsko stupid

[@willswenson3169]

​@@EA_SP0RTCENTERwithout the sun, there'd be significantly less magicka bleeding into Nirn, so that'll only work for so long

[@carloscrispens4816]

Darkreach shows that flora and fauna still thrives even in harsh conditions.

[@stunner9005]

The gods of Tamriel would probably intervene if the vampires “won”. Because it would mean that once again the Daedra threaten the world.

[@carastone1897]

No they wouldnt. They havent done much of anything throughout the millennia of the races murdering one another or discrediting one of their own newly made "gods", nor did they do anything when the demons ran rampant across the continent or world more likely. And giving them credit for what WE do as the protagonist is an insult to the countless people who played the games.

[@MeanAndPristine]

Technically Auriel did intervene

[@teyrncousland7152]

​@@carastone1897 You do realise that the player heroes are champions of the gods right?

[@kekero540]

@@carastone1897 erm Akatosh? Shezzarine? Kyne giving the Thuum? Pelinal whitestrake?!? Your statements are just wrong. They have intervened time and time again. Constantly.

[@danilima6970]

I wonder what meridia would do.

[@badluck5647]

*Valerica:* _"If eternal night fell, there are many who wouldn't stand for it. They would raise armies in attempts to return things to normal. The order of the day would be our destruction until every last vampire was hunted down and eliminated."_

[@ahumannamedjon2644]

I'm sure someone will defeat him, whether it be the Ebony Warrior, Alduin, or Ulfric Stormcloak. Harkon is powerful, but there are others who wield a greater power.

[@Kelpo45]

Main quests and DLCs are canon so it's just the LDB that defeats him with Serana

[@Bumbledrop]

It would be sick if the Ebony Warrior just walked up to the castle and slaughtered them

[@k-rodkev-dog7449]

Well Ulfric is a Beta so I'm sure Harkon would just eat him. The ebony warrior would be a good match though

[@izakireemsi2783]

@@k-rodkev-dog7449 Not without an Army of Stormcloaks I guess

[@alpacalover0]

​@@k-rodkev-dog7449 Ulfric knows the Thu'um and has an army on hand. He only loses after being ambushed and then by a stroke of luck gets a second chance thanks to Alduin, whereupon he only loses because of the Dragonborn opposing him.

[@nonamex6536]

The Ebony Warrior still claps Harkons cheeks. Don't worry boys he will get his by the Nines.

[@Kangaxxter]

The existence of life in Black Reach pretty much discounts the "killing the sun kills Tamriel" theory. Yeah, it might be cold, but Vampires are undead and resistant to Frost

[@EndoScorpion]

But don't they need blood to sustain themselves? Where they getting this blood from if all life is gone?

[@tbazz95]

​@@EndoScorpion no they don't. They only take blood when they want to look like a normal man or mer. Other than that, free reign

[@CountryLifestyle2023]

@EndoScorpion Apprently they don't need to feed on humans. News to me. But humans do need to eat, which would significantly decrease the population overall

[@alpacalover0]

​@@EndoScorpion Harkon's strain grows stronger without blood. He's single-handedly wiping out mortals and other strains of vampires in one fell swoop.

[@Chimerathedragon]

​@@EndoScorpion I don't think they need to feed at all, it's just something they do because they Feel Hungry it's not that they actually are hungry, I mean they're Dead, it might Drive them insane or feral but they can still exist without it, to my understanding

[@alexander349]

Dawnguard ranks would suddenly swell. Meridia herself would also likely take great ire with Nirn being ruled by undead vampires. Every empire in Tamriel would likely put aside their differences, realizing no one benefits from infighting and Castle Volikar would probably get wiped off the map

[@hebercluff1665]

You're the first I've seen to mention Meridia. Why isn't everyone else taking her into account? If the world was ruled by vampires, she'd go bat sh#t crazy!

[@crustyrivet4600]

You would think Blackreach would've been a vampires paradise.

[@iAproxx122]

it is in the Elder Scrolls Online Greymore DLC

[@ailius1520]

It might not cause crops to die if it's only blocking out the higher wavelengths of light. It's still letting the red wavelength through, and that's where most plants absorb most of their energy from.

[@DominionSorcerer]

This entire line of thinking forgets the sun in Nirn isn't like the sun of Earth, it's just a gateway for magic to get into world.

[@alexdhamp]

​@@DominionSorcerer That magic could be Nirn's version of sunlight, though. Do Nirn's plants subsist on this magic like Earth's do sunlight?

[@swampdonkey1567]

​@@DominionSorcererso could it only be blocking the energy hurting vampires?

[@thevashfan12392]

@@swampdonkey1567 effectively, yes. the effects of auriel's bow blocks the magic that harms vampires. it'll allow vampires "eternal night" which would probably evolve into making them enhanced like a blood moon on earth.

[@theonlineanimal6009]

@@thevashfan12392 it would still cause world wide panic. Entire armies would rise against the threat of vampire taking over the day. The one vampire chick said so herself

[@masterneloth]

Listening to this makes me realize that all Vampires are doomed no matter what.

[@thevashfan12392]

they are truly a dying breed, created by unnatural means. the natural world will ebb and flow to equilibrium which in rare cases means diluting until it's no discernible difference.

[@theonlineanimal6009]

Only if they take over the day. As long as things remain normal. They will have balance and continue to survive

[@cearlach32]

I wish there was a 3rd option to this dlc a dawn guard that allowed vamps and were-beasts and helped those who wanted a cure/to control them selves since there not all evil just all the ones we run across apparently

[@casual_ayks8987]

harkon's infinite tsukuyomi backfires

[@decornizeoption3639]

Delphine: it's the thalmors I know it

[@theluminousone5883]

Theres actually a mod about Harkon Winning in Dawnguard. It gives you a time limit and if you dont complete the dlc, you get a special game over. You cant play AFTER he wins but still. It's called "End Times of Dawnguard" on nexus mods (a spinoff mod of "End times" which does the same for the main game)

[@frzlotgaming472]

Is it on console?

[@theluminousone5883]

@@frzlotgaming472 I dont know, if you have a pc its on nexus mods, but the only console version i have is switch.

[@derigel9783]

But what does Auriels Bow actualy do? Does it close the whole into the Aetherium (aka the Sun) or does it overcast it?

[@alexdhamp]

I've always thought that it puts some kind of magical filter over it. Only stopping the part that harms vampires.

[@luciusvoldaren]

When a vampire blood soaked Arrow is shot at the hole to Aetherius(the sun) the Daedric powers of molag Bal within the blood lessen and even begin to overpower the Aedric presence of Magnus, thereby lessening the sun's negative effects on vampires. On the other hand, when a sunhallowed arrow is shot through Auriel's bow, at the sun, not only is the arrow getting boosted by Auriel's power himself, but also by Magnus and Aetherius itself as the energy from Aetherius rain down on your enemies. Lore wise, it effectively turns your arrows into nuclear weapons, but we obviously don't get that in game because it would be busted.

[@zaristophanes2]

Strange how there are no comments, anyways harkon was very short sighted in his goals

[@epickrimson72]

The overly ambitious usually are

[@purpledevilr7463]

They’d have to feed on the Falmer.

[@hunterlovejoy7651]

People say it would kill all life but all dwemer automatons, falmer, mushroom species, and chaurus would be just fine

[@theonlineanimal6009]

Ah yes. A bunch of blind canibiles. Crude robots and some mushrooms. That totally makes up for all the cities humans starving to death.

[@SuperLumianaire]

I think plant life would adapt. I mean, most living beings in Nirn are magical in nature, so surely they'd adapt to the dark magic of a constant red black sun over time.

[@CountryLifestyle2023]

But fast enough to save the human population? And feed it amd feed their animals. With an increase in vampires, and vampires essentially rampaging .....

[@SuperLumianaire]

@@CountryLifestyle2023 not sure. Only theorizing, should have stated as such. You bring up a valid point.

[@CountryLifestyle2023]

@Travis Walls not saying your wrong, just don't think it would sustain a massive ecosystem and population. Blackreach shows us its possible

[@Undomaranel]

Red nirnroot. It will proliferate across the surface, chiming everywhere, to the point everything eats it only to get rid of the sound. Life will be saved by the red nirnroot invasion alone.

[@SuperLumianaire]

@@CountryLifestyle2023 ah, gotcha. Excellent on you for pointing out Blackreach.

[@RayAkuma]

Harkon Vs ten billion lions

[@otomarsagishvili2502]

Harkon vs ten billion sheep

[@hunterbelvis]

It's funny how I didn't think about the long term effects of Harkon's plan until I watched the senile scribbles. 😂

[@moseslalmuanpuia8988]

Someone stole harkon's sweetroll. That's why he wants to wipe out all life on earth

[@akhnatenpage4854]

If theres no sun, theres no reason to not establish a base in a more comfortable region.

[@spike1269]

As Valerica says, there would almost certainly be intervention by the outside world, but what really matters is that exceptionally powerful organizations such as the Psijic Order or the Imperial Elder Council would likely intervene, against which Harkson stands absolutely no chance.

[@OldBaldWookiee]

Wish there was a mod where the player could choose to take on harkons plans themselves and take over skyrim

[@adambarrow7584]

As Syndrome said, "if everyone is super, no one is"

[@KamenKami]

So in MegaTen terms, Harkon wants the CHAOS ending. A world ruled by strength.

[@immasword]

Not a reference i expected here but yes that seems accurate

[@SCSAsJorts]

Harkons plan was so short sighted it does more harm than good for Vampires

[@antoniogiannuzzi1256]

Once Cesar passed through a poor village with his army and said "I'd rather be the first here, then the second in Rome".

[@CrashOzzy1223]

Line from parody of Skyrim called The Senile Scribbles: “…not my fault you’re following this stupid prophesy” “I-It isn’t stupid…” “oh really, let’s see you’ll take away the sun which will kill all the plant life which will kill all the animals and then all the humans and eventually kill all the vampires?” “Wait wait, can you say all that again, but slower” … or something like that, it’s a beautiful parody love the guys parodys in general.

[@quantumsword296]

Meanwhile I blot out the sun just because I wanna go outside during the day

[@HighFalutinTootin]

Cyrodillic Vampires can move out and about in sun light if well fed

[@liamlinson7563]

i dont think the factions would really blame eachother, what would they gain from blocking out the sun, a source of great aetherial energy?

[@theonlineanimal6009]

When something unexplainable happens. People naturally balme the people they don't trust. So yes. It would cause a wedge between the factions. Because they already don't trust each other. Now add the sun being taken out of the sky. And there is even less reason to trust anyone. Happens all the time in real life

[@liamlinson7563]

@@theonlineanimal6009 what would the stormclocks or imperials gain from blocking out the sun? they both need the sun to grow their crops, if anything i can see them blaming the thalmor

[@hulkhogan9704]

"He craves power, but power is relative to the context you wield it in" great quote!

[@TheBadGuy556]

Do a “what if the dwarves never disappeared” next

[@ISoloYouRelax]

The mages college proves plants can grow without the sun. So i think most would be fine.

[@jonathanwilgus5021]

I could be wrong here... But isn't the sun where Magicka comes from?

[@thelostwanderergames4287]

@@jonathanwilgus5021pretty much yeah

[@EndoScorpion]

Eternal darkness means no life (animals, crops, human, elf, etc), which means no food (blood) for the vampires. Do they need the blood to survive? If so... even they will fall.

[@alpacalover0]

Harkon's strain grow stronger without blood, they just become more visibly vampiric and less mortal (while weaknesses and strengths both become more pronounced). This wipes out both mortals and other strands of Vampirism so it's actually a clever move.

[@xChaosFlower]

​@@alpacalover0then hell have nothing left to rule assuming that is his goal. His plan is so cartoonishly short sighted

[@alpacalover0]

@@xChaosFlowerIt certainly is, but that's the way of his whole Clan. They all seek gratification in the short term and rarely plan well. His plan is clever because it achieves his short term goals, but those goals in of themselves are not very clever, if that makes sense. He'll end up with a dead and barren world with a hunger that can never be sated.

[@Moon222]

He isnt literally blocking the sun with a planet sized physical object. He is using magic to remove the harmful effect of the sun on vampires.

[@HypnoChode74]

If I remember correctly the Senile Scribbles actually made a good point as to why Harkons plans were doomed to fail anyways.

[@bowenc24]

Everyone moves to live underground and it turns into that game Arx Fatalis

[@CountryLifestyle2023]

Plus with no daylight, mo crops = next to no human population. Plus more vampire feeding on humans means vampires starve ? 😅😅

[@Stalfoes]

Glad someone pointed this out. As we see in the caves and blackreach , some plantlife can survive without the sun but not enough to support a massive population. Odds are that as men/mer populations start to dwindle, the vampires would turn on each other to secure the remaining supply of blood.

[@CountryLifestyle2023]

@DEEZ GUTS Someone already mentioned that was very short sighted of Harkon He could have tried to pit Tamuriel into continous war, making opportunity for Vampires to thrive while going unnoticed or not having the troops to deal with them. Play the kingdoms like puppets. But I guess the main take away from him is, he's crazy, and crazy for power lol 😆 😂

[@alpacalover0]

Nope. Harkon's strain grows stronger without blood and only needs it to imitate mortals and repress urges as the gameplay mechanics show in Skyrim. ESO and Oblivion have differing strains that work differently to demonstrate this.

[@CountryLifestyle2023]

@Alan Holland Ya just heard about that. Very interesting..sure I heard it in game but forgot

[@JTEFitness]

Bit off topic, but a short you guys posted a bit ago talked about the dragonborn being sent to continue the cycle rather than stop it. I believe I have found some rather obvious in-game proof of this. When talking to Paarthurnax about dragonrend, he will ask, 'Why do you want to learn this Thu'um?'. To which if you respond with 'I like this world. I don't want it to end.' He will say this in response: "Paaz. A fair answer. Ro fus… maybe you only balance the forces that work to quicken the end of this world. Even we who ride the currents of Time cannot see past Time's end… Wuldsetiid los tahrodiis. Those who try to hasten the end, may delay it. Those who work to delay the end, may bring it closer." I believe this is Paarthurnax saying that killing Alduin will do nothing but get the gears turning once again, hastening the end of the world. Now for a bit of a mid take from me: I think in TES6, either the Thalmor, a cult (similar to the Mythic Dawn cult) or both will be the antagonists. The Thalmor may use the next incarnation of Alduin in order to reach aetherious by 'destroying' Nirn or even wilder, the void of oblivion itself. A potential cult leader may try and use the next incarnation of Alduin and destruction of the world to become one of the new gods of the next world. Cultural gods in the event of the destruction of the world (this is if nirn, the moons, planes of daedra and oblivion itself are destroyed and remade) would cease to exist, or become a 'old' or 'forgotten' gods, influencing the world but dwindling in power due to lack of worship. Other gods based on concepts like sithis, akatosh and arkay, and the magna-ge (would be forgotten but would be worshipped as the sun) would likely survive. Of course, this means another 'save the world' plot, but I would hope TES6 would have better guilds, sidequests, world building lore, and eventually dlc making up for such a predictable plot.

[@no_one01-5]

Harkon's plan was incredibly short sighted, even for a mortal, let alone for a vampire.

[@xthedork1560]

Harkon is definitely one of those villians that never actually sit and think about their plan before acting on it 😅😅

[@monkeydude952]

Not to mention, the entire continent declaring war on him and all vampires in an instant.

[@thelettucebarrel7784]

I mean if he won then eventually Miraak would succeed in coming back to Tamriel and then just one shot him.

[@hebercluff1665]

Whenever i start a new playthrough, i always kill Harkon 1st, Miirak 2nd, and Alduin 3rd. It's what i think is canonically weakest to strongest, so it makes more sense to kill them in that order.

[@thelettucebarrel7784]

@@hebercluff1665 Miraak is stronger than Alduin but fair enough.

[@paulallen5914]

A king dreaming of being a common man

[@carto4028]

I'm pretty sure plants would be fine. No WAY they wouldn't think about that. My theory would be that the process would simply corrupt the sun into putting out different magical energies or removing certain traits or wavelengths that aggravated their vampire blood. If we are ignoring magical Influence and think purely scientific than I would remind you photosynthesis uses red light the most so I would imagine the reddish glow would still work fine. We don't know the exact wavelengths put out so it's not for certain but at worst some full sun loving plants would suffer and shade loving plants would be fine.

[@EternalAnkh]

Harkon when the last mortal dies of starvation: "Huh. Yeah... I didn't think this through."

[@majorhatchback]

I always just imagined it going away after 20 minutes like when I do it

[@youtubersdigest]

Don’t forget he’s more than just a vampire and only he can grant the vampire lord abilities

[@stevensines7026]

This reminds me of a line from "The Incredibles". "...when Everyone's a Super, No One will be..."

[@Thegangsterzboyy98]

It's like what happened on the movie daybreakers. He'd eventually run out of food.

[@Excel-erate-]

Even if he did it, his whole food source would die.

[@earendurvoneinzbern7585]

When everyone is special, no one is special.

[@kingofbel6499]

Huh, I remember having this discussion in a forum. Apparently, most organic life in Tamriel would die, which would be bad for vampires as well as they would have even less people and creature to feed on, so its highly possible the world would just slowly die unless the divine beings intervene.

[@mryellow9655]

No they can feed on blood magic and the world would be an extension of cold harbor

[@luizmarinho6138]

Funny thing is, the sun is barely an inconvenience to them.

[@johntatman8182]

Every time I have shot an arrow at the Sun and this happened I never even saw one vampire

[@crazy_acid77]

The embodiment of "be careful what you wish for."

[@pizzagui2pizza437]

The old what you gonna eat when the humans are gone conundrum

[@Leto85]

This is indeed what both Serana's mother as well as Dexicon the moth priest say: 'We would all have been doomed: vampires and humans alike.'

[@leaaronsanchez]

Basically like a Roman emperor, not able to true his own generals or family.

[@BagelBoyMan]

People would know what’s going on. The Dawnguard would make sure of that.

[@ChrisKetcherside]

Actually as humans die out due to plants dieing, the vampires will go mad with no food

[@madrenwillims4391]

Without the sun, all life will die, making everyone immortal forever hunger

[@KK-zs5xz]

I believe that the sun is affecting vampires power wise so that they cant use their whole power. Imagine a Vampire given blood directly by molag bal with no sun rays of magnus limiting their magic. They would be mini bal's running around

[@barredok]

They'd run out of food. The planet dies, then the vampires start killing each other

[@stinkymccheese8010]

You forget they would run out of food.

[@j.troydoe1278]

No food for cattle, no food for vampires.

[@klasiv]

I think that there was a movie similar to this outcome, where everyone was vampire, and humans was just farmed cattle or hunted. Blood was a rare commodity and a dwindling one. I can imagen in a world where mortals can't even grow food for them or their livestock, mortals would be rare or die out completely, leaving vampires to eventually starve to death as well. It's rather ironic that Harkons dream will lead to the death of his kind.

[@piyushpatelsrm]

Deep inside Harkon wanted to die. There’s fixed the logic 😅

[@memecat9830]

He’d find out he needs to repeatedly use the arrows

[@TheTiger34]

This reminds me of ugwes quote in kung fu panda 3 "the more you take the less you have."

[@HoangTran-wu6se]

You would be surprised how easily mortal enemy factions can unite with each other against a common enemy.

[@alishahbaba4825]

Harkons didn't think about the future AT ALL

[@alex_ho]

Most likely scenario, with the Dawnguard's immediate knowledge of the Volkihar clan's plans in fulfilling a prophecy to darken the skies, the Empire, Stormcloaks, Admeri Dominion, and just about any faction who is bothered by it will be tipped off about the cause and eventually a coalition of Tamriel's armies would come knocking on Harkon's doors

[@BattleSpew]

After a mere century, assuming that it doesn't create an eternal winter, there would be nothing left alive to slake the vampires' thirst for blood. Death by starvation.

[@corwin4_]

I wonder what actually would happen to sun, knowing it's just a hole in Oblivion through which light and magic flows from Aetherius to Mundus

[@Impactingonherchin]

If he wins you just respawn from your recent save and try again.

[@lemonlefleur6236]

It’s worth mentioning that plant life might not die off in the lack of Light energies from Aetherus. Light is -according to the Ayleids- one of four main energies. In the absence of light, plants and animals would either die off or quickly draw on alternative energies to sustain themselves. For example, draining latent arcane energies from the soil and becoming bioluminescence as a result of converting the energy of stone into usable light energy.

[@melkhiordarkfell4354]

Or every faction puts everything on hold and the Empire wide vampire purge.

[@stevefilms1997]

Barring any interference from gods is a big stretch, cause they’re all gonna be pissed, no lag too probably if no one’s getting tortured.

[@tizzy6]

This game has aged pretty well, but it’s amazing to think how state of the art it was when it first came out and how amazing the graphics were

[@isaacgary6801]

Lydia get my dawnbreaker

[@nepntzerZer]

i played skyrim and turned into vampire but had no idea

[@Spartan9285]

Not to mention if he won he’d just kill off his food source no?

[@charlierei9292]

It wouldve made more sense if Harkon had more of a Castlevania Dracula arc, where the tyranny of the sun was just a really long suicide letter that would wipe out everything and everyone.

[@BrassCatcher365]

Not to mention their food source would dry up.

[@J0eMega]

“Do I understand what? That if you darken the sun, you’ll kill all the plants, which will kill out all of the animals, then all of the people, which will in turn, starve all of the vampires?”

[@sarkandrago3222]

Did you just, if every one is special no one will be?

[@xMaugrex]

No sun, no crops. No crops, no food. No food, no people. No people, no blood. No blood, no vampires. No sun = no vampires

[@arcaneknight9799]

How would vampires survive if all their prey died?

[@Undomaranel]

They don't need to feed to survive. Vamps are undead, and drinking blood only relates to their abilities and comfort, not survival. Look at the game mechanics and the psychology of Molag Bal and it all makes sense.

[@alpacalover0]

Only some strains (like the one in ESO) *need* blood; Harkon's (which extends to all throughout Skyrim generally) only craves it, but grows stronger and less mortal through asceticism and abstinence.

[@ismatparvin334]

Exactly, he didn't think it through 😂

[@raven_5180]

dont forget nothing to feed on

[@frostkitsunelive7661]

So a theory I’ve heard of and liked when it comes to “The Tyranny of the Sun” is that it’s not the actual sunlight causing this issue of weakness for vampires. It’s the Aedric energies within sunlight, since vampires are the creation of Molag Bal. It’s already been pretty well-established that Arkay has some domain over the light of the world, so he could be flooding Nirn with his power from Aetherius to weaken vampires as much as he can. While he is unable to finish many strains of vampirism, he can make them so weak that they can be finished off by mortals without effort within daylight. This is what the prophecy aims to end: by using the blood of a sacrificed Daughter of Coldharbour, they profane the light that enters Mundus from Aetherius, twisting it and rending the vampire-burning properties it possesses. Plants wouldn’t die, but the minor influences of the Aedra would all but vanish from Nirn entirely.

[@Seoul_Soldier]

Harkon's plan just proves how stupidly he's written. Assuming humans and mer don't band together to annihilate the vampires, he would end up being the king of a dead world.

[@ThePetoholicGrimJack]

gosh now that would be awesome if that happened cause then either the dragonborn sides with harkon and enslaves all the living or decides to fight against the vampires