What Happens When a Keyboard Company Makes a Leverless Controller?

[@spyrie_]

If anyone cares, after looking around online it seems the switches are gateron silent white dwarf.

[@AtheistJesus]

"I changed the buttons out the second I got this thing..." Dude, you and me both. I love my Victrix, but damn. Hit the nail on the head.

[@soupwithpotatos1542]

its honestly awesome seeing more and more companies making stickless not egregiously expensive and using gp2040-ce. ive got my own personal stickless with gp2040-ce and its amazing.

[@metalgeartrusty]

andy, us "big hand mfers" are at home. events are like, a small percent of the fgc

[@drjones694]

Reviewed this pad and loved it as well The build quality is really nice Good review

[@drrdeezy]

Incredible video brother, been waiting on someone to review this bad boy

[@AndyLO2]

Glad I could help

[@tesserthelost]

I really do have big hands, and they have only grown as ive done manual labor, not the length but the girth(lmao) of my fingers. the three hit boxes ive played, feel just fine. With that said, guitar has become a little more difficult. T_T , EDIT: I want a hit box that i can slide across for big bodies. Most hit box style pads dont have the ability to glide across the keys.

[@nujudas]

Long time lurker on your channel since the first Snackbox review and I we even played in a Strive lobby with your Nago friend at some point. I know you’ve stated you don’t like to think about the numbers aspect when it comes to KZbin but these review videos are some of my favorite content to consume from you. I hope it doesn’t sway you in anyway. On the contrary, I look forward to whatever else you plan on doing.

[@Phasmastic]

They don have big hands, just fat and can't put hands that close, i am 192cm tall got big hands from fisherman work 23cm/13cm, just get Haute 42 T16 or M plus. Having that big gap between buttons limits some inputs where you use right hand on movement and face buttons at the same time.

[@middle_pickup]

I'd be interested to see one of these controllers designed to use hall effect switches. Being able to set actuation point with rapid trigger like a Wooting keyboard would be next level.

[@emirobinatoru]

For real

[@jb_Dominguez]

Can you configure this to play in both ps5 and series x? I own both consoles, and have games on both that would benefit from this

[@booleann___]

Strange but important question. When the button is fully pressed, does it go below the controller? Is it flush? Does it sit a little above? I HATE when I am quickly sliding my finger off and there is something in the way.,

[@jackfrost884]

Thanks for the heads up debating between this and haute.

[@Gunsnr13]

Haute has a community where they help out with troubleshooting and customization on discord. For me that help me decide on my next upgrade.

[@ardidsonriente2223]

Haute42 all the way. They are offering excelent quality for a 3rd of the price. We need to back them up, so the rest of the market understand and stops overpricing.

[@Phasmastic]

For buttons like those you should test Lofree Ghosts, if you like that stiffness, for slightly lighter and same stiffness Wind engine from COSMOX/Haute, their both POM switches. For better version of Kailh Reds would be COSMOX/Haute crystals. Punk workshops are just cherry silvers and new ones with lower stem have actuation problems.

[@reklom2334]

1:01 I dont have a big hand in the sense I can hold a basketball with one hand but my fingers are thick bois (tho I am on the bigger end hand size than other people of my height) so like for example playing electric guitar (while doable) was definitely challenging especially in certain hand positions/chord bc my fingers would be in the way of each other Similarly, for this layout, the split in the middle doesn't really help for me specifically. What they really need to do is use slightly bigger and definitely increased distance surrounding each button between each button even amongst the standard grouping areas. E.g. the directional buttons for this controller are way too tightly spaced that bc of it would mean my fingers end up hurting due to weird posturing/fatigue over long sets and playtime

[@SomniaCE]

I'm glad I put off buying my new device because this spread out layout just seems so nice. Just wish it wasn't out of stock. The only real downside to a lot of the budget options like this and the Hautes is just how many steps it takes to put it in console mode. The Fightbox I've been rocking may not be as quality in a number of ways but at least I just plug it into a Wingman to play it on console.

[@SomniaCE]

Actually, quick question. Do you know what the difference between the V1 and V2 versions of the controllers are? The V2 is out of stock but the V1 is in and the price difference is only $10. Was this the V1 or V2 in your review?

[@justcallmesiv]

YEAH PUNKWORKSHOP IS MY SHIT. i low key thought that you were gonna say qanba or something in first i wanted it to be punkworkshop but didnt expect it

[@astraeazephy]

goddamn littlest bro thats a giga good controller im gonna definitely pick one up for when I learn 2xko! if only there was a link in the description so I could go buy it without spending effort...damn....

[@Justlookingaround19]

No way the buttons are that great it looks bloody high i would still pick my haute r16 with wind engine switches over this

[@sushi521]

I’d be curious to hear your thoughts on the new M16 Plus with the wind engine switches from Haute42. They changed their key caps which made them better for sliding 360/720 motions, and the wind engine switches feel incredibly responsive. Will add this controller to my wishlist though, it looks awesome.

[@mukburbur696]

i’d love this except the socd shortcut for heavy dps might be way too hard to do quickly with that space in the middle

[@neko_samurai]

This video’s title could’ve applied to Razer, who got there first with the Kitsune.

[@gentlekef8653]

So just to clarify, you think it's the best price / quality? Better than the T16 right? You also think this controller is fine for smaller hands? I've been playing on the snackbox micro xl but have been looking to upgrade. Appreciate the honesty on the video's, you basically did all the most important controllers :)

[@AndyLO2]

It is by far superior to the T16 and the best in its price range imo And any hand size should be fine as the buttons are still 24mm and spaced normally The split in the middle makes it feel more ergonomic as well

[@gentlekef8653]

@@AndyLO2 thank you so much for responding! You talking about the fact that it was so solid it could not slip of your lap with basketball shorts gave me confidence.

[@lockheartmac]

This company has a really poor rating and a lot of customers had a bad experience dealing with them.

[@radfield6089]

How does it compare to a snack box micro?

[@Rico-Suave]

I did want to hear your opinion on the Razer Kitsune.

[@Saprophyt100]

Please tell me what size keycaps?

[@lylacfps]

Thanks for the video Andy!! As a FGC newcomer your insight has taught me a lot. I JUST ordered a brand new Hitbox before watching this video and now I'm nervous after how much you shit on the stock Sanwa buttons 😭 but that's ok bc I mostly bought it for the customizability and the clean look of the controller. Question for anyone: which buttons would you recommend to someone like me who's a wavuwavu electric spamming mishima? I have both the T16 and M Plus Haute42 and their buttons are just decent, even after months of modding them (lubed, new switches, etc). Decided to go Hitbox so now I can experiment with actual arcade buttons. Looking for comfy spammable and nice sounding buttons, dont care too much about loudness. Thank you!!

[@AndyLO2]

Punk's Workshop buttons are top tier imo the V1/V2's have different actuation points though so you'll have to do a little research and make a decision on your own. Gamerfingers are still good if you can get them i've never tried the Qanba Gravity or Crown 302 but have heard good things about them both Just remember with the Hitbox you'll need to order 11 24mm buttons and ONE 30mm for the jump. I've made the mistake of ordering 12 24mm and not having a jump button in the past lol. hope this helps!

[@lylacfps]

@@AndyLO2 this is just what i needed to get started, thank you!!

[@Cinderkin]

I'm actually 6'11" and have been able to palm a basketball since I was 14. I'm very intrigued with this layout.

[@tinypickle]

what's the difference between the V1 and V2 of the pro models?

[@jokesdasbiest7583]

Think I seen it has to deal with the mechanical switches compatibility.

[@efemji]

honestly, acrylic is strong but sitting on it was kind of unfortunate

[@snowoncedars8215]

Anyone got this and the haute m16 plus and bale to compare?

[@poklin]

so have you never tried crown buttons? i think they are significantly better than sanwa and i would be interested to see where you rate them. Maybe you have and don't like them?

[@datdude15]

lmao the opening segment on hands killed me. Same thing with people saying they play hitbox b.c their wrists hurt like they are pro gamers playing 24-7

[@ardidsonriente2223]

Years ago playing stick really destroyed my left wrist, and I was playing just a few hours, 3 days per week. I began to play on pad (claw style), where I suffered way less, and then with the fighting commander by Hori with 6 frontal buttons it was even better. Finally, last year, getting a leverless simply transformed the game for me. Today I play at least 2 hours every day, no more stress on the fingers or wrists, way faster response, way less hassle to maintain the device. Just amazing.

[@a_wild_Kirillian]

People can have hurting wrists because of work, because of malnutrition or being forced to learn a musical instrument by their parents or just stupid genetics. You really should drop that downplay out of your mind or you'll just be a jerk who can't comprehend some people having chronic pain.

[@atomicskillet]

Wow no Qanba Gravity KS on your list??

[@bastinelli443]

The gamer fingers are better

[@11Markitos]

Where is the best place to get an adapter for my ps5

[@AziDoesQuestionableThings]

SOMEONE PLEASE OUT THERE, find or tell me how to acquire a version of this, but flipped, i've been going insane trying to find one

[@heisseething]

I know a guy on Etsy who can make you a really good 3D printed one to your exact specifications, I was skeptical about 3D printed leverless at first, but this guy is great. Literally the exact way I wanted it he went above and beyond.

[@block36079]

11:15 got a name?

[@AndyLO2]

Punk's Workshop hitbox

[@ardidsonriente2223]

149 dollars. No. Buy a Haute42 instead. Seriously. Whenever I want to put more space I just displace the inputs to the second column of the action buttons and from there to the right. The first column can be used for less frequently used macros like Drive Parry or similar. If someone create this array for a reasonable price I will try it.

[@samgoldsberry3029]

No gameplay?

[@killpacko]

Anyone have a template for this so I can put some art on mine

[@adnanalsayadi5424]

Can a boomer like me use this to learn classic controls on sf6?

[@AndyLO2]

yes 100% brolylegs used to play classic with his mouth brother anything is possible!

[@ardidsonriente2223]

I'm 46 years old, with one and a half years playing fighting games on leverless: SF6 (classic), Tekken 8, Granblue Rising, etc. I prefer the smaller Haute42 S16 (I feel all the extra stuff is unnecesary luxury that doesn't really change it enough to justify the heavy pricing), but the principles are the same. Leverless is slow to learn in the beginning, but after a month you are already acostumed and reaping the many advantages. Leverless is objectively superior to the other controllers, by ergonomy, ease of use and input speed, so yes, a boomer can use this to learn and become better at fighting games.

[@adnanalsayadi5424]

@@ardidsonriente2223 valuable input, appreciate it!

[@Redblacky]

*Aluminium

[@voidstar.studio]

heads up that keebmonkey just put up a v2 of this controller before my v1 even shipped