What has caused the growing ideology divide between genders in the youth? | The Stream

[@mikejohnston4265]

These conversations tend to veer towards women are good and men are bad with majority female panelists. This never results in honest and open dialogue. I see this dynamic in all the mainstream media discussions on this topic.

[@chalocoy]

I agree, viewpoints were missing...but from the amount of men complaining about the number of women on the panel, I have to assume both feminist and men's rights viewpoints weren't represented. Because these women did not actual present the "common" female viewpoint at all.

[@mikejohnston4265]

@@chalocoy Fair enough. However you have to admit we do have the right to complain when many media outlets have panels consisting of majority female panelists on this topic. MSNBC had a panel of four women. All we ask for is to let us have a voice. Both men and women have the right to express their views. Not all male voices are misogynistic and not all female voices are misandrous. The men have the right to bring up this inconsistency like women who find predominantly male panels on the reproductive rights issue.

[@alecsinger3364]

@@mikejohnston4265 This. That is right on point. That is a great point about the MSNBC panel as well.

[@RadarFluff]

This wasn't a very thoughtful debate.

[@salimadiyo9442]

it never was meant to be.Its mainstream

[@LittlePenguin1-17]

@@salimadiyo9442 It's Al Jazeera, a news network funded in whole or in part by Qatari Government!

[@notme9784]

@claragardner4307 no it's terrible! They all agree with each other! Only one Gen Z and she is Conservative! Only one man! This is nuts, who thought this would be a good panel!?

[@Pou1gie1]

I don't think any of those ppl they took social media clips from were gen Z -- they looked like they were much older. Gen Z is currently in their 20s and teens. Those ppl look like 30s and 40s --Gen Y/Millenial.

[@Marenqo]

There are no gender balance men on this panel?

[@Pou1gie1]

If you have a discussion about a group, you should include ppl of that group as the majority of your guests. Only one of the guests was ACTUALLY Gen Z.

[@marinadiaz4995]

Yes, and she is a conservative.

[@TheTonibotes]

Ya, I hated thus video. I'm going to the forest with a bear because I was never lied to and r@ped by a bear. This whole thing lacked depth and nuance in my opinion. You need to bring people like Andrew Tate and other bad faith influences into the conversation too. And studies have shown that single childless women are actually the 'happiest' demographic.

[@dylanzeman3966]

I disagree. Gen z is still quite young and having a bunch of gen z panelists would very much so change the vibe of the video. You can make another video with more Gen z people and maybe it will be good too, but for the purpose of this video, I think they were a perfect choice.

[@metatrongroove2824]

The 1-3 ratio for the guests speaks volumes.

[@michaelbarwick5075]

1-4 if you include the host.

[@nebyeelda5862]

Which one was arguing for men?

[@chalocoy]

Well that's indiocy, If you were paying attention you would have noticed from the discussion that they were all conservatives/mens advocates

[@RAZR_Channel]

How do you speak a "volume" ..? and subsequently multiple "volumes"..?

[@danieln.6097]

@@RAZR_Channel Look up what an idiom is then come back.

[@Davao420]

I read somewhere "We have raised a generation of independent women, but we forgot to raise a generation of men who can be with them".

[@Deep_Matter_Analysis]

Modern day humans with smart phones are not the same as the people who lived 30 years ago. Modern humans are cyborgs

[@ECO20222]

Let's just ignore talking to 'actual' gen z men and live in our echo chamber.

[@frej__]

Bleh. This discussion was seriously lacking in diverse critical viewpoints and arguments. No substantive examination of the broader historical, political, socioeconomic & sociocultural contexts involved in these contemporary gender dynamics. It would have been preferable to make this an Inside Story episode with a more seasoned panel of social scientists and researchers. Disappointing.

[@billwalton4571]

They need to go over human history and explain how and why things changed in the baby boomer generation. And what is the future of this. Can you force one view over the other.

[@frej__]

@@billwalton4571 that's partly what I'm saying. This discussion was surface level and didn't offer much insight

[@yurigansmith]

In all those regions of Europe where right-wing populism has already achieved cultural hegemony and thus represents the (regional) mainstream, women support right-wing parties just as strongly as men (there's also no difference in voting behavior) - presumably because it's now considered socially acceptable.

[@jackinthegreen5178]

Excellent discussion! As a male going on seventy-two---I find such discussions, informative and refreshing! The idea of 'commonality between sexes, ethnicities and even age groups is revealing and (should) encourage us all to move forward! Thank you, Al Jazzera---your stellar programing/reporting, is, as always, first rate!

[@newfeelers]

4 women and 1 man to discuss the gender divide. That speaks volumes on its own.

[@automaticshelter130]

We need more male panelists for discussions like this in the future.

[@riversjourney4643]

The topic was on Gen-Z and there was only one Gen-Z person on the show. Also, the men’s group guy seemed to be working with Gen-X and older people. It didn’t seem like he had Gen-Z men in his groups. Another important thing to note is, this was not a group of experts. The panel should have been made up of a psychologist who specializes in working with Gen-Z age people, an anthropologist who researches changing dynamics among different generations, a youth counselor from an LGBTQIA+ center, and a neuroscientist to explain thought processes and cognitive differences. All of these specialist I mentioned, would have given a more fact based response, which is based in decades of research. These specialist could have explained the factors based in ideology, which could pertain to region of the world you’re raised, religious influences, tribalism/politics, and the overall connection that is biology and how our brains process information. Even get a professor who teaches women’s and gender studies would be helpful for the conversation. As an anthropologist myself, I could have come to the show with actual peer reviewed data on the topic and a neuroscientist such as Robert Sapolsky could have given a clearer answer of what is going on with the brain. Also, having more panelist who are Gen-Z academics would be useful too. Something to think about for future shows.

[@TURBOBEATZZZ]

Psychologist are part of the problem not the solution. Their goal is to keep business not end it. Madame Blavotsky is the mother of modern psychology. She was also a literal satanist. Go figure....

[@Nokukhanya.Khumalo]

I am so proud of Sihle, playing such a pivotal role in our society. Shine girl God is so good❤🙌

[@aa2ll260]

A man, a woman and a bear go into the forest. Only the woman comes out. What happened? I dunno. I haven't seen the movie.

[@gmmonomotapa2889]

I saw the movie. The man sacrifices himself to save the woman..

[@ec6621]

As an elder millennial, I worry about what this gender divide will mean for my gen alpha kids. My husband and I want grandkids but we see the writing on the wall regarding marriage and birthrates. We're doing our part to model a happy & sustainable marriage and parenthood but we're also planning for the possibility that our daughters could be single mothers by choice in case they don't meet suitable husbands/ fathers for their children.

[@awolpeace1781]

Maybe don't take the rant of a single person to generalize the feelings of a gender as a whole?

[@mudshovel289]

Well, in Western countries, men and women have equal rights. And women are way better educated now than in the past. So this gives them career opportunities on a large scale that they didn’t previously have. They are actually ahead of many men who are less educated and have different jobs. So when THESE men hear about how women are oppressed and how men control the majority the wealth and power, it’s just like….wtf do you mean wealth and power? That’s only a very small group of men who rose to those positions. Not all men are them. Some chick yapping about how some blue collar guy that she actually out-earns is oppressing her with “patriarchy”, it’s just like 🤨 HUH?

[@shysonofficial]

You sound quite sexist

[@mudshovel289]

@@shysonofficial I’m sure I do to some people

[@salimadiyo9442]

@@mudshovel289 the western world is on the decline on every front and gender is one of them.They have never agreed on basic social norms like forever,be it gender roles and gender identities.And they will never find a common ground.What will happen to the majority of westerners individually atleast will start looking for cultures that dont harbor contradictions culture wise like for instance Islam.

[@down-to-earth-mystery-school]

Well, since the majority of the US Congress are wealthy white men and 90% of corporate CROs are wealthy white men, men hold most of the power in the world. Patriarchy is about power , it’s also by how both men and some women benefit from the suppression of women as a whole. Hispanic women still make .60 to $1 for a white male, Black women make .75. Again, it’s about power. All men don’t have power, but they still benefit from societal biases that tell the blue collar make worker that he is superior to the educated white collar woman…

[@shysonofficial]

@@mudshovel289 to people who understand what the word sexist means

[@natalielongarini229]

I'd like to know which studies the woman in pink is citing claiming that married women are happier than single women. I've repeatedly heard that single women are happier than married women. I of course don't believe in generalizations and some women may be very happy single and others may be miserable single and some women will be miserable married and some very happy. We are all different

[@VoidT0xin]

Most data seems to quite reliably prove that married women are on average significantly happier than single women! If I remember correctly, the talking point that women are happier single was a distortion of another data point (the fact that there is less of a single-married happiness gap in women than men) in other words, single women may be happier than single men, but not happier than married women. Like with all things of course, these are just generalizations.

[@sabrenak9063]

​@@VoidT0xinSo married people are happier than me just because I am single? Not everyone is made or meant for marriage. If I get married for the sake of getting married then will that make me happier? Not everyone is happier in a marriage

[@YAKs309]

I agree with the pink shirt lady as a man

[@the_veil_]

Western 🚺 but pacifically in America are hyenas, man when I say man are desperately trying to be invisible in the presence of women nowadays.. it’s sad. I also want to humbly say I am a fairly attractive man and so are my friends and we all feel the same way It’s just not feasible to start a family in the west.. too many obstacles.

[@the_veil_]

I’m not interested in having a baby mama 🫥

[@salimadiyo9442]

thats what ppl are saying your society is on the decline and just within a matter of time will be overtaken by a younger more robust counter culture like Islam

[@Therebelliousprince001]

This is because most of ur w'm'n and gal's are not straight.

[@mudshovel289]

⁠@@salimadiyo9442 you’re spamming this a lot. I think you’re just trying to find someone to argue with

[@salimadiyo9442]

@@mudshovel289 if am trying to find someone to argue with,and what are you trying to find by commenting? the fact that this debate exists is a failure in western civilization.These debates are impossible to exist within Islam.

[@chalocoy]

I get that this is produced in a conservative country, but at least if discussing the divide in other countries...representing the actual points of view correct or at all should be appropriate. Women are accused of being in a bubble that is radicalising us... but in that bubble what we are often talking about is the research and data of what happens to women at the hands of men. What is pushing us left is that the data shows it nevwr getting better and that is confirmed by our lived experiences for most of us being harrassed since we were children and many of us assaulted, as well as a billion and one other things. I will happily give away all the "advantages" of patriarchy - split bills, provide, buy the ring, whatever...if it means the danger finally goes away and we're not getting hurt anymore.

[@billwalton4571]

Patriarchy is what protected you from predators.

[@mudshovel289]

Listen, you are literally never, EVER going to completely get away from the dangers you are talking about as long as some men just turn out bad, which will be always happen. You can exhaust yourself talking about whatever statistics you want. But some humans will ALWAYS victimize other humans. It doesn’t matter what kind of societal changes you want to bring. It doesn’t matter how many arguments you win online. You still share a planet with men and you can’t make them disappear. Some of those men WILL be bad and that’s a forever unchanging fact. So…now that you know this, however you want to live your life is on you. If your solution is to socially isolate yourself from men and alienate the ones who were nice to you, then go do that. Or if you want to try to convince men on the internet to not do bad things to women, then go do that. But you’re still not eliminating bad people from the world. You’re not going to create a completely safe world for yourself.

[@chalocoy]

@@billwalton4571 truthfully, why do you believe such an obviously untrue thing? Patriarchy, you mean the system where predators teamed up together to disempower women and turned us into property to increase their own value? No? Your talking about a fantasy where men sheltered their beloved female relatives to take care of them? Isn't it strange though then that women are mostly attacked by men these same men - their fathers, husbands and brothers. Good job, our so-called "protectors"! Unless you mean from ferocious beasts, except fossil records now show that women were also hunters, so we didn't need your protection from animals. So I'm really wondering where is this patriarchy that protects me? And let's be honest, who are they protecting me from? Women, no? Animals, no? Who then is such a danger to me to justify treating me and other women to justify treating us as second class citizens in our own society for our own "protection"?

[@KasunGamage]

I'm 36 years old-definitely an old millennial. I stopped at the beginning. The majority of the female panelists-it should at least be made equal. 🤣 I have to assume both feminist and men's rights viewpoints weren't represented.

[@virtualeducationinstitute9415]

The best video and discussion on this topic without toxicity, which nowadays seemed impossible. Well done Al Jazeera. You are earning our respect every passing day. Just one suggestion, try to balance panel members as 3:1 doesn't seem fair. Also this idiotic thought that women are saints and men are devils, women never been accountable for anything, fatherhood being targeted, men treated as ATMs only as fathers, the unequal resources issue with even claiming equality women take everything from men and men pay their entire life even after divorce, the marriage laws purely discriminating against men, the reverse sexism as we see every woman easily and casually abuse and use words openly on daily basis but isn't treated like that etc. The discussion on sexism from male side, rape etc is something we have been having for centuries, I think the focus should be on other issues as well, not just the same script for centuries to come. New issues have arisen and that also needs to be discussed.

[@EmoBein]

# "The Importance of Right-Education".

[@Noisebuddy]

Social media access starting with 18 years, that's one part

[@muhammad_zaman1990]

radical take: population collapse can serve the whole humanity it will put a stop to rampant consumerism without any violence

[@salimadiyo9442]

against Prophet Muhammad bro?

[@Therebelliousprince001]

Are you a muslim saying this!?

[@mudshovel289]

@@salimadiyo9442you know the planet has finite resources right? The population was much smaller in Muhammad’s time. Time to adapt.

[@XEzomoX]

What do i need a man for? Hmm.. let me guess. Building 95% of the world's architecture, electricity, roads, and infrastructure.

[@nccheese08]

Everyone on the panel had regressive views on this topic.

[@lisa6356]

I wanted to say the same, especially the black lady.

[@kelvin_darwin]

Our social media by and large is a reflection of, "let the market decide," Neo-Liberalism and Post-Modernist thinking, which has strategically eliminated socioeconomic class struggle from the discussion. The result is everyone fighting for a dollar, because that dollar equals a voice. Traditionally feminist and post-feminist thought was more focused on valuing and protecting aspects care-giving within society. Since the 80's the focus shifted more towards representation in the upper-class, which puts these representatives, pedaling hyper individualism, in positions to care for others they essentially identify with. While there is conversation about 'mindfulness' it is almost always coupled with consuming something luxurious to escape into fantasy. The results are attacks on individual consumers for wanting a return on their investments, even if they are based on unrealistic or a highly exploitative structures. Hence the frequent saying to the incel community, "You don't dislike women, you dislike capitalism."

[@markhill3858]

Negative population growth .. might actually be good for a while?

[@marlonblade007]

Not in countries with a lot of old people it won't....

[@mudshovel289]

@@marlonblade007well, immigration of young educated people will help with the tax burden.

[@ChristAcolyte]

​@@mudshovel289 That's an assumption substantiated by absolutely nothing in reality

[@mudshovel289]

@@ChristAcolyte it’s substantiated by the actual examples of the United States. The educated immigrants being sponsored by American companies are certainly paying taxes, which contribute to Social Security and Medicare. I’m not talking about the people coming illegally and claiming asylum.

[@pattyofurniture]

Why do we want to pressure people into sexual relationships? That is a seriously sick thing to expect from someone who doesn't want it. What kind of society would do that?

[@mudshovel289]

Literally every single human society that has ever existed has done this. Nowadays in North America and Europe you probably have the least amount of pressure compared to any other time period in history.

[@pattyofurniture]

@@mudshovel289 I don't believe you.

[@mudshovel289]

@@pattyofurniture ok you don’t have to

[@immortalnightbody]

This debate is everything you need to know. The "divide" isn't coming from Gen Z (or to a lesser extent millennials). Certain generations are moving towards the future and another generation is leaving and has continued to leave them out of the conversation entirely.

[@comentaristametaforico9287]

Did they just called Roma a radical? Is she wrong this time though? Sometimes yes. But is this panel defending benevolent sexism now? Disgusting.

[@Magus__Quinn]

Also the assumption that everyone needs to stay hetero is so weird lmao

[@frej__]

@@Magus__Quinn it's not surprising considering that traditional binary heteronormative culture remains the norm and majority globally. Perhaps in another hundred years things will evolve, provided the earth is still inhabitable

[@mudshovel289]

It’s the biological norm. It’s the most common orientation. You can’t choose to be attracted to something you’re just not. Straight women will not just be able to date other women because they’re “tired of men”. Bi women can, but they’re bi and not the majority.

[@robr2303]

The problems in this world are so complex they cannot fixed.The elephant in the room has something to say. And he says, "time to press the reset button". "Burn it all down and start from scratch AGAIN". Sad but true....

[@gray_foxx583]

Generally speaking, women walked to the edge of the pool and jumped in. She didn't realize that there were alligators sitting on the bottom. 🤔

[@arisplugis5197]

they never discussed where radical Feminism ideology is coming from. who wrote it?

[@Therebelliousprince001]

This is intentional. It is so people don't get married and have children.

[@billwalton4571]

💯

[@frej__]

@@Therebelliousprince001 and who benefits from this supposed intention? Most of the controlling powers need a growing population to sustain their positions. I doubt there's an all-controlling group of Antinatalists pulling the global strings... Unfortunately. Ppl not marrying/reproducing is due to complex and diverse factors, most of which are not engineered by any one entity.

[@notme9784]

What? Why would that be the goal for an aging boomer population? They need workers

[@Therebelliousprince001]

@@notme9784 They think there are too many people. Not enough resources

[@notme9784]

@Therebelliousprince001 1) who do you mean by 'they'? And its just not true, at least in the US those in power are doing everything they can to increase birth rates, including overturning Roe and making contraception no longer available through Medicaid.

[@RAZR_Channel]

This is a generation of people… That can't figure out: what gender they are… Why make a move on a chick when "they" might not actually be a girl… it's extremely dangerous… you never know when something might "pop out" on you….

[@mudshovel289]

You’re obsessed with a very small percent of people who have this problem. Most humans are naturally straight and feel comfortable with their gender. Most people are both that way.

[@BobbyBoy-pe2qt]

@@RAZR_Channel You are a inbred clown

[@bradentour3993]

Meanwhile in Qatar, women must obtain permission from their male guardians to marry, pursue higher education on government scholarships, work in many government jobs, or travel abroad until certain age.

[@markhill3858]

What is that .. 0.0000001 percent of the planet?

[@UltraMaccabi_Natzis]

You must be focusing on how's Genz are behaving in the western world dude

[@gods-best-friend-gbf]

Not just in Qatar, but in all 57 Islamic countries. Qatar = Afghanistan. Not much difference. Both are Islamic and hence the same.

[@salimadiyo9442]

Yes becoz the women in those cultures are protected from the ills your society is suffering.also the fact that because of how the west views a woman in equal terms to a man you dont have a robust youger generation essential for a robust society

[@salimadiyo9442]

@@gods-best-friend-gbf those women in those countries are not complaing😂😂😂its you who is bothered by it.Also funny how learning about Islam in school is not considered as being educated till its western school or model of learning.

[@kjw6383]

It is not new. I am older. Growing up everything was geared toward males. We still are not on the same page we werent then and arent now. Young women are just more vocal about being female in a male centered world. Evidently men cannot take the competition from women and resent them. I have always been expected to adapt and change. I always observed men were not expected so much to do that.

[@davidwestwater2219]

Except woman can't do jobs that make society function. They are limited to sitting in cubicles

[@salimadiyo9442]

you are going to thank patriarchy sooner than later as your society is not replacing itself.

[@mudshovel289]

@@salimadiyo9442The US gets enough immigrants to do that. Oh and from mostly non Muslim countries.

[@frej__]

@@salimadiyo9442 believe it or not, some may prefer degrowth, on every scale

[@ongeziwegodlwana7674]

There were a lot of missed opportunities in this conversation.

[@ronnycharles5348]

It is promising to see lots of sentiments for men with a panel that is majority women. All hope is not lost yet

[@yurigansmith]

Good social engineers know when to reduce the pressure before the engine busts. After all, even the stunning & brave rely on a well-functioning machinery.

[@kylajade7395]

This panel was missing a key voice or two, but great subject

[@jackieburns5257]

Older people are not watching independent news/

[@gray_foxx583]

This is not true, I am a 68 year old Boomer. Half of the population lacks critical thinking. They experience the world from the inside out.🤔

[@princepsnamque1709]

Similar gap between Al-Jazeera in English and Al-Jazeera in Arabic I am afraid.

[@wettus23]

A lot of these problems is believe it or not. they've kicked the man out of the household eg dad. lot of these children are growing up with no father The boys don't know what to be a man and a woman don't know how to be around a man simple as that.

[@salimadiyo9442]

and they praise it

[@nccheese08]

This was just not a satisfying discussion

[@halakurshov1380]

I think that's more of an American phenomenon than anything else

[@encahill]

Haha.. yeah you lost me when she said "the two dominant genders".

[@ansh_u_r]

Gen-Z-ombie.

[@mhairsto24]

The lady in the blue 💙 shirt 👕 is mostly wrong, she's giving out bad information.

[@mhairsto24]

The black lady in Johannesburg knows what she is talking about.

[@nccheese08]

This discussion was anti women

[@lxpwsk139]

Gen Z is an absolute toilet...

[@dylanzeman3966]

What a great video. Didnt expect much from it tbh but was pleasantly surprised at the depth and unbiased attitudes.

[@michaziobro5301]

I am deviating from that as seems to be more leftist and liberal to my girlfriend in the same age. But she is also center-left

[@SinceritySeed]

(W)isdo(M) is the understanding that even though (W)oman and (M)en are complete opposites they are but one!

[@charlenekoya]

this was ridiculous and disappointing

[@brianjones6072]

Roma Army at 15:40

[@zw246]

Theres Men, Women, and people who need attention and want to feel special.....

[@shysonofficial]

I'm guessing your the third type

[@zw246]

@@shysonofficial no… but you apparently need to feel special commenting 🤣 which pronouns are you calling yourself ? 😂

[@shysonofficial]

@@zw246 bro you made the comment i responded, how bout you grow up and not care what i call myself like normal people...

[@zw246]

@@shysonofficial you responded because you wanted to feel important …. Just like the alphabet people who make everything about themselves

[@FinanceHubb_]

4 v 1 so fair, so female😂

[@MermanManly]

I love that this debate has reached mainsream media -- Al Jazeera at that -- and that it has been covered in such an inclusive, sane way. Bravo.

[@brianjones6072]

Universe 25 experiment explains this

[@hidayathmydin4676]

Ha ha.. self confused.. They forgot the basic 1. what is the purpose of this' life" 2.why im here from where i come?.. 3..This short period what you get from this world & what are you going to give to this world.. THIS IS IMPORTANT

[@an_explorerr]

Lets give LSD to everyone 😅

[@awolpeace1781]

People must resensitize their cognition if they expose themselves to utterly repulsive content online, take yourself back to basics from the freak sh** which is a strong case for censorship.

[@Artburn360-Trojanhorse]

Just one guy in panel 😅😅😅😅

[@Mirancoru]

Turkey ☪️🇹🇷

[@Biopolitiquekal]

lol wth was this

[@salimadiyo9442]

More men are becoming ''conservative'',and thats what the future is wether willingly or not.Ideologically conservative is ideologically superior

[@HaloFan117_]

It was gamer gate. It was Ifunny. It was boys who were left alone with the internet and never explored the other views.

[@benjamincaddle2018]

Wow injection of an objective variable like the algorithm into the conversation, im actually impressed it was an ok piece.

[@rubinarana4996]

AlhamdulilAllah Islam has very clear answers about all this confusion. Just read and understand the Quran.

[@awolpeace1781]

Some people don't like to see the terribly controlling female members of the patriarchy and focus just on the father figure, forgetting the patriarchy is a family unit as a whole with shifting dynamics where it can become the 'who has the dominant hat today' with the social toxicities never being abetted and just ignored on a short term basis.

[@redatticus7606]

There will be a backlash. Like all things in America and the West, its always extreme. Never a middle, calm position. That is why the West is stuck in forever wars. This will be a crisis.

[@Mirancoru]

5 minutes ago

[@mohwaiss3798]

First comments please like it for no reasons

[@muhammad_zaman1990]

no

[@researchrankingsanslysis-f3553]

A flop show ...bring real men ..to show ..and it's 3: 1 fight

[@fatmirekrasniqifatmirekras8011]

Stupid conversation!