Is traditional marriage doomed for millennials and Gen Z? | The Stream

[@francisquebachmann7375]

The wolves are angry that the sheep aren't reproducing.

[@NewJill2024]

yes!

[@Nick2Stix]

no it's bad for everyone if people stop reproducing. the world population and economy will eventually collapse. when old people outnumber the young, it places an even greater burden on them to produce more to take care of the ever-growing older population. as population starts to collapse and generations get cut to a quarter of what they should be, that's when there's no food on the shelves and no power running because theyre literally are not enough workers to fill these positions

[@FHi349]

Who is the wolf?

[@Exxperiment626]

​@@FHi349 The elites of the World.

[@tbraghavendran]

Actually we are all wolves as well as sheeps.

[@seahorse_rider]

A friend of mine cheated on his honeymoon while his wife slept at the hotel. The girl found him on social media and contacted his wife. The marriage lasted two weeks.

[@DellPikkles]

It's crazy that people that do that kind of thing just don't stay single and have fwb or an open relationship. Why go through all the trouble of getting married/being in a relationship? It's weird.

[@Not_a_number_]

​@@DellPikkles It's so that someone else will treat you with love and loyalty, and you get to do whatever you want. Selfish bastards are like that. 😂

[@thezu9250]

Ex friend hopefully?

[@miaa7097]

Sounds like my ex-husband

[@CordeliaWagner1999]

Men want ho secure a free caretaker and unpaid live in servant. That's why so many hubbies do a personality 180 after the Wedding

[@adamsultana8380]

What we seem to forget now is that marriage for basically hundreds, if not thousands of years, was just something people did for security, status, safety, and to procreate. It was very seldom about pure love and care. I think now we're seeing that and trying to make a decision accordingly, coupled with the economic trouble we face and uncertainty in society.

[@Anklebreaker9]

@@adamsultana8380 i get what you are trying to say but to frame the history of marriage as a transactional, self serving, devoid of any emotional connection…. Is not true at all. Like all things in life and in history it is a mix

[@adamsultana8380]

@Anklebreaker9 that is also true but I bet you at least 75% or more of it was transactional

[@Anklebreaker9]

@@adamsultana8380 you are making a generalization over 1000s of different civilizations that spanned over millennia across the world. I guarantee you that it was less transactional than todays superficial societies

[@adrianaloborec2205]

It was transactional for centuries (still is in many countries), and then someone came to the idea to throw in some romance into it so that young people, especially women, wouldn't realize what they were really getting themselves into.

[@aliyahharmon9045]

The question is always, “Why aren't people getting married?” but never, “Why should we get married?”

[@jsocials]

And the famous, you just have a 'Fear of Commitment'. No I am scared of how my life is about to get significantly more unaffordable. Working at the bank, its crazy to see Newly weds come in drain their savings and investment accounts to pay for weddings, house, bigger vehicle, etc. And I always say to myself, what if these two never touch this money and continued to save, they would be millionaires in no time. Reality is they all end being forever en-debted to creditors because they did 'the right'

[@zari5972]

​@jsocials my grandparents times they didn't do all that. They just got married with 4 people around. My parents both said that the fancy weddings was a new thing.

[@jsocials]

@@zari5972 They used to have community weddings now you gotta fork up those thousands

[@IrisJoens]

​@@jsocials The community used to help raise the children, too.

[@ikramali7423]

Why should we get married. 1. **Love and Commitment** - A public declaration of love and lifelong partnership. 2. **Legal Benefits** - Access to legal rights like tax advantages and inheritance. 3. **Starting a Family** - A stable foundation for raising children together. 4. **Companionship** - A lifelong partner to share life’s experiences. 5. **Tradition** - Honoring cultural and religious beliefs. Marriage is a significant step that encompasses love, legal benefits, family, companionship, and tradition.

[@vlad-dracul]

The government needs more productivity and working hours from the wage slaves, but does not want to invest in creating a new generation of slaves.

[@jaughnekow]

deep...

[@abdelwahabdroua2961]

Their problem, not ours 😂😂

[@jibarabicha4853]

Exactly what is happening

[@headphonesyt2300]

When they run out of slaves from their own country, they borrow some from the developing countries. Hardworking people who try to make it out of their ‘war struck’ developing countries are the endless supply of workforce for the elite west.

[@andrewtyler7767]

Bingo!

[@MarkAnthonyS-w1r]

Everything is expensive now. Those boomers should stop comparing their generation to now.

[@baldeagle4710]

Yup my dad bought a house for 100K. Now, i would need 1.5 million to buy a house in CA

[@adouloslabelh2957]

Tell that to my bf's mother who think we should have 50 babies

[@dannavalentin46]

@@adouloslabelh2957what the heck. That’s not a family, that’s an army 😅😅

[@TheRubberStudiosASMR]

They’ll be comparing themselves to dirt soon

[@blanckieification]

😂👍

[@Saundra-cg2bl]

I’m 65. Never married, no children, & non religious. Happy, content. Independent financially. Love to travel, make friends easily. Healthy, not on any medications. I stay off social media, & get out in nature everyday. I don’t follow societal norms. I travel my own path in life. Life is really this simple. Enjoy yours.

[@viktorias63]

@@Saundra-cg2bl wow I can't imagine dying like that, alone without people who love me

[@adrianaloborec2205]

@viktorias63 everybody dies alone and many old people who had children are lonely anyway. Plus mostly women spend 20+ years of unpaid servitude not only to kids, but to the "husband", too and come out traumatized, if at all.

[@viktorias63]

@@adrianaloborec2205 no they don't, most people, especially with families die surrounded by them.

[@Sabinio0521]

After watching family and friends getting divorced and paying alimony, I would never get married. Dying single sounds like a goal rather than a cold reality..

[@edizkun9029]

Why not get a prenup

[@GuyWhoScores]

@@edizkun9029 prenups get thrown out of court all the time by judges. Unfortunately there is no guarantee for financial protection, especially for men.

[@Jewel_Screaming_Chango8387]

@@edizkun9029all the woman has to say in court is she wasn’t in the right state of mind when signing and the judge throws it out

[@TC-cd5sm]

​@edizkun9029 A prenup still involves the government. Its best to not involve them by not getting married period

[@RealJayNice]

Modern women are the most liberated and protected women in society in all of history. The thing is they don’t want to date a man who makes the same amount of money as them or less than them. Remember when someone gets divorced the one who makes the most money loses that is why women always want the richer guys.

[@SamKNgo]

Good. No more offspring to slave for the machine or the rich.

[@CordeliaWagner1999]

🎯🎯🎯

[@1HeatWalk]

More reason for companies to invest into automation. Companies won't need to pay us more money for working.

[@jasonjacob402]

And schools n colleges..

[@skycloud4802]

​@@1HeatWalkautomation can work the other way too. Who needs CEOs if those jobs can be done by AI too?

[@ST-rj8iu]

yep. complete school at 18-22 and then the government wants you to immediately birth new laborers in the world. NO!

[@Wizreader2828]

Marriage expectations are out of this world. Now 36, divorced. I’m not putting myself through that again.

[@derek4412]

Which expectations are too much?

[@NoctLightCloud]

you also once married. with expectations and all, no?

[@Wizreader2828]

@@derek4412 People demand faithfulness but fail miserably at that. They demand respect but fail at that too. Equality, failed at that. These don’t just affect marriages but these failures are highlighted in marriages because of basic expectations we all have and deserve when we say till death do us part.

[@Wizreader2828]

@@NoctLightCloud Anyone who says till death do us part has expectations. My issue especially now is how these expectations are reciprocated especially when you take a vow.

[@laturista1000]

No woman wants you anyway

[@BornDovahkiin]

Imma tell you all the WHOLE TRUTH: Marriage & Kids Are for the rich. Poor folks like us… It’s not even a fantasy at this point.

[@stevenotero2627]

A wise lady that lived a life of poverty once said " Children are poor peoples riches "

[@CordeliaWagner1999]

If I was rich I had better things to do than having children

[@MustbeTheBassest]

​@@CordeliaWagner1999 with that attitude I hope you don't have kinds regardless of wealth. Those poor children

[@JL-yt5hy]

Yes agreed. Plus the future for children are bleak. How can they afford what we have now on their own?

[@TheFeloh]

How rich were your parents when they had you?

[@myradelacruz8277]

living alone, single with cats is the new happily ever after

[@errah1352]

Deep inside you Know it's sad

[@altonlebronze3536]

​@@errah1352Exactly, when they wake up every morning with no one by their side, they cry...

[@Reign_255]

​@@altonlebronze3536the projector is on 💀

[@myradelacruz8277]

@@altonlebronze3536 lol, so many single people i know, they even get most happiest as they get older. Maybe you cry because you have financial problems. lol

[@IbnShahid]

Hey, I like cats. I really like cats. But I’m not going to pretend they’re a substitute for a human family.

[@celiajames600]

As a woman who has lived the married life & the single life, I prefer being single. These kids are seeing a lot of unhappily married people & they are choosing not to fall into the trap.

[@andresmattos7541]

But 90% is you woman who file for divorce, dwmmand 50%, allimony and child support money. 😮😮

[@DeRussellMasina]

Unfortunately our greedy government, corporate structures & morally bankrupt society has killed marriage.

[@williamlouie569]

@@DeRussellMasina They killed the goose that lay the golden eggs. No children, no workers, no profit for the greedy!

[@HellORhighwaters]

Marriage is on life support now but For the generation after Gen Zs, yes it’s doomed

[@GhossupGurls]

@@HellORhighwaters it needs to be made illegal

[@Jewel_Screaming_Chango8387]

It’s dead bro

[@jacobperez8921]

It’s already dead bro! Younger people are seeing the effects divorce has on men getting divorced and they are staying away from those problems a divorce can bring.

[@laturista1000]

Young Gen Z men are losers. Women are too independent and have more than enough money and options. Gen Z women will be marrying older richer men. FACTS! Women RULE! Go GIRL! GIRL POWER!

[@theultimatereductionist7592]

@@GhossupGurls Then nobody's would get married.

[@polarice384]

It’s really difficult to buy a house 🏡 so how can people even think about marriage in such situation? Kids are expensive to sustain: from kindergarten to university fees. Both parents work and no one is there to care for them. Result: everyone is miserable in such families. There is no place for romantiziation, it’s brutal reality

[@tanzeelahmadhashmi6209]

Worked in schools man. Broken homes and neglect takes a toll on kids

[@jia712]

Is it worth having a child if they don’t go to university? If they take up a trade or work as a bank teller instead.

[@cakapcakep241]

​@@jia712no, AI will replace that position.

[@sleepyking4558]

The brutal reality is it actually is completely possible to get married and have kids. But people on mass don’t want to hold themselves to proper standards for a relationship to get married. And people on mass primarily women don’t want to make the sacrifice of not being able to live essentially an upper middle class lifestyle in order to raise kids/have a family.

[@sleepyking4558]

@@jia712yes trade jobs are in demand and not going anywhere anytime soon.

[@baldeagle4710]

I will never get married my parents fought all the time and I was miserable growing up. I don’t wanna bring a child into this world

[@rolandmarkland6844]

Seek therapy

[@Suburp212]

If you want to get scammed : get married.

[@Nick2Stix]

I would more think of it as an eternally symbolic gesture of my love

[@Nick2Stix]

who is scamming me?

[@yeldarleumas1847]

If you want to eventually get sick and tired of your partner, get married.

[@winterwulf1995]

​@@Nick2Stixwait until she hits you with "I'm not happy" and serves you divorce papers

[@skillbopster]

@@Nick2Stix Women love what you can do for them, they do not love you.

[@tangerinetangerine4400]

How can you sign a contract with someone about what kind of feelings you're going to have 40 years from now?

[@latrinemarine826]

There are married couples at my church that have been married for 50-60 years. The problem isn’t marriage, the problem is how present day individuals approach marriage. “What’s in it for me” has traditionally never been a part of marriage vows and it hampers the love you need to show your spouse to enjoy 50 years of marriage.

[@mcwally514]

Love is not a feeling. It is a choice. A commitment.

[@kyleteme]

true

[@letzgow6110]

You just proved how feminism works on you. “Feelings” over logic. Marriage was never about feeling from the beginning of time. But along the way the female movement made it all about how they feel

[@jibarabicha4853]

@@latrinemarine826Men have always married based on the benefits they could gain from said woman. Once women started asking what was in it for them, began the crumbling of the institution. As marriage has historically been a sacrifice for the woman and all the gains of labor and social capital for the man.

[@bensanderson7144]

I got married at the age of 47. Still happily married. But prior to the age of 47, there is no way I could have gotten married.

[@MikeyPaper]

Too little too late im afraid....

[@bensanderson7144]

@@MikeyPaper jealous?

[@kated3165]

Colleague had a baby in her mid 20's. A year later and 20k worth of baby costs and income loss? She and her bf are now looking at the insane costs of childcare in horror. They still don't know if they will ever afford a house as the prices have skyrocketed in the past 8 years. Marriage would be an insane spending at this point! Family members are asking them "so, when is the second kid coming?" and they are completely incredulous at the absurdity of this assumption... "do we look like we have another 20k!???"

[@Yelutheleader]

@@kated3165 Do you think costs are gonna go down at some point? If not that your point on child bearing is irrelevant.

[@kated3165]

@@Yelutheleader Irrelevant? I'm sorry, should people just be okay with raising their kids on a street corner in a cardboard box? Costs are not going to go down, but if salaries don't follow, price gouging isn't kept in check, the wealthy continue to artificially inflate housing and siphon tax payer money while passing down their debts? Why TF would people have kids that they cannot properly care for while their life is stressed and challenged to the extremes? The Ruling class continue to DEMAND babies from the working class, while also crushing everyone to death financially and destroying the very planet we need to survive... the Math isn't Mathing, but they don't care and continue to demand more and more from their peasants.

[@uncommon_name9337]

The first red flag ? For one, insisting on a wedding. Celebrations especially expensive ones like those should be reserved for actual achievements like a 10th year or 20th year anniversary.

[@Menooy22]

Totally agree. If I get married I wouldn’t have a wedding at all. I find it embarrassing 😂

[@jmgonzales7701]

​@@Menooy22nice

[@therealbs2000]

Weddings used to be celebrations for the community. Now that we have successfully destroyed community, weddings are no longer necessary.

[@CordeliaWagner1999]

We? Capitalism, the rich and corrupt politicians have destroyed communities. Suburbia has destroyed communities.

[@CordeliaWagner1999]

Communities can celebrate ogher things. In my village we celebrate many things, no marriage only means a few Hannover er days less

[@Lastskykey]

As a woman with money I’m so not going to get married to anyone. I’ve planned for my retirement and put all my money into savings

[@OO9O9]

Atta woman

[@RiruKrypto_]

I'm that type of person that takes money out of my savings. lol

[@yeldarleumas1847]

Fair play. However, if you didn't have any money, I guarantee that you would only date a man who did have money and you'd expect him to share it with you.

[@Lastskykey]

@@RiruKrypto_ you won’t be when you start paying for tax lol

[@adelb7897]

Yeah, that's the issue with the law being biased against higher earners in a divorce. As a man, I will only marry a woman who earns around the same amount or more and is cool with a prenup with lawyers present. Too risky to be the higher earner in a marriage. I actually married without a prenup before and divorced, I didn't lose anything thankfully but I was so afraid the entire time that I ruined the relationship between my ex wife and I. I was too emotionally unstable and anxious. I believe it was due to the fear of losing stuff in divorce and it's not about trusting your partner because people change.

[@TheLamehipster]

Most people cheat or are just unhappy. Don't get married it's not mandatory.

[@yeldarleumas1847]

Exactly! If men a *really honest, all they want from a woman is s@x. When that gets boring in a marriage , it'd basically all over. Stay single and have 'fun'.

[@ItsmeA717]

The interviewer is extremely good at her job. I love her interview style, allowing the guests to speak, she asks the right questions.. other interviewer need to take notes.

[@jmatthews5685]

So much men VS women rhetoric. Society is deteriorating itself

[@jibarabicha4853]

Society was always broken, western women are just more free from subjugation now.

[@AdmiralBison]

It's culture wars nonsense. The real war is the people/working class vs the rich 1%

[@jmgonzales7701]

Always like that

[@victoryv116]

Well it's the truth ..the thing is it seems rhetoric to you is the problem itself

[@KNGDDDE]

No one realizes capitalism doesn't work. Infinite growth is called cancer, not a business model

[@sharonivy888]

The only reason marriage “worked” in the “good ole days” is because women suffered in those marriages and couldn’t leave. As soon as divorce became an option the flood gates opened which showed they weren’t happy in the “good old days”. Women were being married off at 13 or 15. Those were NOT good ole days.

[@aniharutyunyan]

indeed, all these changed when women became powerful enough to choose. and they suffer less now.

[@MA-gu2up]

Actually, if you looked at the US general social survey, they tracked happiness and marital satisfaction from 1972 until now Women reported the highest happiness and marital satisfaction in the first years, especially 1973, and then it declined slowly till now

[@MA-gu2up]

​@@aniharutyunyan Actually, if you looked at the US general social survey, they tracked happiness and marital satisfaction from 1972 until now Women reported the highest happiness and marital satisfaction in the first years, especially 1973, and then it declined slowly till now

[@mothermaat3258]

@@MA-gu2upOh please. Back then women were conditioned to believe they were well off just having a husband even if he was terrible one. I remember my aunts used to say a half a man better than no man at all. They didn’t know what was available for them. When given the choice, they left those marriages and another spouse because they were told “good” women must have a man. Now the pretense is no longer there. Women have finally admit that they can’t do it all and just choosing to be alone. Men have overrated their value and women are no longer buying it and are choosing to be single/date or celibate.

[@MA-gu2up]

@@mothermaat3258 I could also say that women now are conditioned to believe they are well off just having a job, even if it is a terrible one, and working under a terrible boss See? It is easy to make those assumptions Which is more likely to be true? Did you know that people report enjoying doing things inside the home(like childcare, cooking, and watching TV) more than doing their job or studying? What do you think women have to do more of now? Married women live longer and report more happiness than single women, by the way

[@AmenProletar]

As a gen z, I don't want to get married or be in a relationship and no. It is not online influence because I don't have social media. I personally want to further my career and help the orphan instead of having just one family. I'll be a childless father for all fatherless children. Also finding a true loving partner who accepts you for who you are is very very difficult especially in some cultures. Don't assume that gen z is open-minded or anything. It is all lies when it comes to relationships.

[@saduqahlulbait3194]

Literally me,I also want to be a father to a fatherless child without getting married.And I want to prove that someone else's child can be equally be loved and raised like one's own child after all,every child out there is our child if we develop our sense of humanity.Anyways it was a great comment by your side buddy

[@TadanoCandy]

I also want to help orphans or foster kids like that. I’m antinatalist so I don’t wish to create new life, but I take pity on those who need money and mentorship to become better-adjusted adults

[@sugarzblossom8168]

Same as me I guess. I want to adopt children

[@themalawiandiner180]

You are on KZbin, which is also social media.

[@GhossupGurls]

@@AmenProletar you mean you're waiting to be able to adopt a female CHILD so you can rape "it" is what I heard

[@natduinfo]

I'm a man under 40 and divorced twice. This topic touches my heart differently. 😢😢😢

[@yomanyomandx5609]

Twice,🤔so u didn't learn the first time?

[@keitholenyo4755]

Yoooo 😂😂😂​@@yomanyomandx5609

[@thekingsheiress5924]

Once is enough. Twice is too much.

[@AhHyn]

Why did both end??

[@celiajames600]

Time to do some soul searching

[@Ana-ow7eq]

My god, haven't been told for 30 years: overpopulation, overpopulation... and most people with large families were shamed , and now suddenly people decided to not procreate and somehow it's a problem?!!😮

[@JessicaDainese]

The truth is: it is not a problem. It only is a "problem" for rich people because they need more wage slaves. Thats all.

[@natashadickson4819]

​@JessicaDainese They don't need workers. The big corporations are doing massive layoffs. They have robots and artificial intelligence.

[@JessicaDainese]

@@natashadickson4819 it depends on where you live. They need workers where I live (Europe). And consumers too. Robots do not consume anything.

[@JessicaDainese]

@@natashadickson4819 Elon Musk is very worried about low birthrates. What more proof do you need?

[@tangerinetangerine4400]

8 billion humans on the planet is more than enough.

[@Sabinio0521]

No marriage No divorce No saving women No child support No Alimony Result happy life...😁😎😎

[@ashishdahal8189]

Exactly 😎

[@JessicaDainese]

That works for women too. No need for men in our lives.

[@lokpale225]

@Salpichroa0521 I was surprised nobody on this panel even thought of this point, maybe because it was primarily composed of women. As someone who’s also dreamt to get married and build a family, someone who was once engaged to someone they thought they’ll live the rest of their life with before they had to face the ugly truth of some of today’s relationships (discussed during this stream), as a single father who is being dragged in family court for the past 3 years by a high conflict and toxic co-parent, having to spend all my life savings in lawyer and court fees to be able to have a relationship with my son, the idea of taking another chance to marriage/having another child with the risk of going through this a second time scares me sh*tless.

[@Rice10120]

@Salpichroa0521 I'm a woman, and I 100% agree with this. I don't want no ties at all. Let's all be free.

[@JessicaDainese]

Marriage is only an advantage for MEN. It's MEN, not women, who want to get married. If we all agree, why dont we abolish it?

[@jhouser972]

The number one reason younger people are not getting married and having children is cost. Everything else is just an edge case or a symptom of the real problem.

[@Maria-EU]

Not getting children because of the cost I understand but marriage? You can go to the city hall and get married and being married itself doesn't cost anything. Breaking up after being together for years and sharing assets is also not more expensive than getting divorced unless the country has some ridiculous divorce laws.

[@ucrjedi]

@@Maria-EU There is no point in marriage when your future is grim. That's why marriage is only for the rich now.

[@zari5972]

​@@Maria-EUyesss. And my parents said back then people all got married with maybe 4 people and a special dinner at the house. So basically micro weddings are nothing new

[@valiaudet3415]

Many people have given up on even looking for a partner.

[@lovergirl________]

​@@Maria-EU u must be old. Do u know how much a house costs. How much child education costs. Medical care,. U are delusional mam🤡🤡

[@omyhaby1912]

Staying single or getting married there is no guarantee to Happiness in either situations, Life is Unpredictable and brutal, if your Whole life is based on becoming happy You become a happiness junkie, Do anything for the sake Of happiness

[@VannaMae]

I feel like I won the lottery being with a loving husband where we met through our mutual friends and have a great relationship. We dont believe in divorce and work on our differences with respect. We have goals we are working towards and we're a team. But I think the issue is we dont have real friendships anymore, we're all stuck on our phones and not building communities and truly connecting with others. The comments section under my post is a great example of that.

[@alannajackson3768]

Your husband flies women out

[@DownwardElevator]

Get out of here show off!! 😂 Jk happy for you 😂

[@VannaMae]

@@DownwardElevator 😂😂

[@alannajackson3768]

That man on Seeking Arrangement and Tinder/Bumble with the rest of the married men

[@VannaMae]

@@alannajackson3768 Sorry you've had bad experiences with men.

[@thomaswilhelm3384]

I am from generation X. Marriage is one of the things that died and went away from mainstream culture like the typewriter, pay phone, cursive writing, and the VCR. Life was so much better in the 80s!!!!!

[@bigshakmma3728]

I believe that nowadays many men and women are NOT marriage material for various reasons. Many people don't understand the value of marriage, and some can foresee that it may lead to failure from other people’s experience. In divorce cases, one party often benefits disproportionately, taking advantage of the situation without fully understanding the consequences of their actions, especially if children are involved. This often leaves the other party suffering, which is why many people avoid marriage altogether. I've been married for 18 years, and our relationship remains strong. We've had both good days and bad days, but we've worked through them together - that's what marriage is about.

[@derKosmoprolet369]

....if a married life means ( in most cases) a frustrating life -- where is the deeper 'value ' of a marriage?

[@CordeliaWagner1999]

Marriage has no value, it's a worthless outdated Custom made up by religious freaks. We don't need that 💩 in a civilized modern world

[@CordeliaWagner1999]

Marriage is when a man has a live in housekeeper he doesn't pay.

[@celestialstar124]

Like you said many people aren't marriage material so even if we work hard on our side, the spouse is not qualified then the marriage will be painful for us.

[@VendieSolde]

Don't worry, in 2030 they will

[@josyperez7483]

Marriage is a financial death sentence

[@Rice10120]

Don't want to be tied to a man by way of marriage or children. I want to remain free.

[@DeepInChrist]

If I might ask, you want to be free to do what?

[@Rice10120]

@SonOfAbba1302 Remain free to do whatever I want when I want.

[@DeepInChrist]

@@Rice10120 , truly marriage would stop you from doing what you want, when you want, but isn't that something you are willing to sacrifice to be with someone you love, I mean someone who loves you isn't going to try to imprison you, so I think the sacrifice would be worth it...

[@Rice10120]

@SonOfAbba1302 I am with someone that I love every day, myself. I don't have to sacrifice anything for that. No one is worth me giving up my peace and freedom, not even love.

[@DeepInChrist]

@@Rice10120, well honestly, I can't imagine a world without a special person... I mean call me weird but having that ride or die friend, who you are romantically involved with is wonderful... But you seem to be doing ok, so cheers to you. I secretly hope you fall in love in the nearest future though😌

[@i.k.8868]

Who gets married these days? It is a huge waste of time and money and has no value.

[@TahenoorBegum-wg4rd]

True.People should understand this.Just to satisfy physical desires, marriage shouldn't be done by male or female

[@ec6621]

Statistically, upper class men & women marry (at least more than lower & middle class)

[@JessicaDainese]

Exactly.

[@joebloe4374]

Women get baby rabies

[@wolfiewolf1794]

@@ec6621 Marriage can lead to better wealth indeed but usually this isn’t the case because trust and cooperation is nearly impossible to todays relationship landscape . I blame the hypergamy of women and the greed and weakness of men .

[@jaughnekow]

why get married if you are not financially stable and secure?

[@marriagecausesdivorce7540]

Once upon a time a man proposed to a woman. The woman said no. The man lived happily ever after without the risk of losing his money, house and kids in divorce.

[@Fuzzypeaches-t2y]

😂

[@jzm2293]

Idk about this when men have gotten rejected on dating apps they throw the biggest tantrums lol

[@roxyglow9670]

​@@jzm2293they are unhappy deep down. 😂

[@adelb7897]

​​@@jzm2293that's for intimacy, not marriage. Lots of men are desperate for the physical stuff which is kinda sad and unfortunately we haven't found a real solution to that.

[@adelb7897]

​@@roxyglow9670Yea and that's no laughing matter, we should help the people who are unhappy, men or women. If you lack empathy for someone or a group of people based on birth characteristics then you might have more darkness inside you than you realise and it not only harms those around you, but it pulls you down as well. Screw this debate of marrying or being or single or whatever, I think it highlights an important issue that has to do with many people's mental health and wellbeing. I'm saying all this because I used to be like you (still working on it) but I realised that this negativity and lack of empathy translates to everything around you including yourself. Anyways take from this what you will, and if you think I'm wrong for saying this, then maybe I am mistaken but I do think this negativity towards other groups of diverse individuals is quite bad for one's mental wellbeing and others around them.

[@carlossunga2271]

That’s why marriage contract must have expiration date and subject for renewal if both parties agreed. This would help to boost back the conventional marriage we’ve been practicing before.

[@Somebboddyy]

Excellent idea 👍

[@ec6621]

@carlossunga2271 before what?

[@themalawiandiner180]

Or people who feel that way can just remain single.

[@judigemini178]

I've always felt this way as well, marriage should have short cycles, expiration dates, contractual obligations & clauses, otherwise it's just 2 people trapped in their self-delusions

[@latrinemarine826]

This is super bad for the kids though. Kids want their parents committed for life, not to have marriage treated like a car lease.

[@teklittewelde1487]

I am here single from Gen Z and have no even a dream to marry in the future. It is huge to take this all responsibility and expectation. I think we Scandinavia have the same problem like south Korea, not only for women but for man too. especially in Norway. Traditional marriage seems doomed and everything is expensive and high living standards. The only option we have are to live alone forever, this is because the society forces us to make this decision.

[@latrinemarine826]

I’m in the US with no universal health care, no paid family leave, and no other generous welfare benefits like in Scandinavia. I’ve been married for 7 years and have two kids with the hope of having a third. The problem is that people are inward looking and don’t want to make sacrifices for marriage and for kids. Also, I take my Lutheran beliefs seriously, unlike people in Scandinavia. Divorce is wrong unless it’s done because of desertion or adultery. People don’t have a strong moral code anymore so why would cheating and divorce be wrong? That’s what drives marriage rates down and creates the overall distrust that we are seeing in relationships. We have never been as wealthy in history as we are now - if marriage isn’t “working” now, then it should have never worked to begin with. It’s people’s attitudes toward marriage that is the difference.

[@teklittewelde1487]

@latrinemarine826 The USA is much better than Norway, where you will lose half of your income to taxes. Imagine you earn 10k and pay half of it in taxes. What a disaster. People will not understand until they experience it. High living standards come with high taxation, which is just unbearable. You speak about welfare in Scandinavia, but what should they do with such a system? Should they put you in prison or leave you on the street? Come on, be realistic. If you don't know how it is here, come and experience it for yourself, for God's sake.

[@petersv]

Everything is cheaper when you are two. Scandinavia is the cheapest place to have kids.

[@jmgonzales7701]

​@@petersvmost people just dont want to

[@CordeliaWagner1999]

Norway has A LOT of Religion of Peace followers. They are very traditional.

[@RoxxiRed]

Im a millennial, I got married and he turned out to be a crazy. The divorce has been an expensive dive nightmare. I’ll pass on doing it again

[@harishaneef26]

The real issue is missed as usual. No one believes in love or marriage anymore because all they see around them are unhappy couples who divorce each other after a while or complaining couples who are only staying together because society expects them to or because of children. Most of us grew up in such families as well so what do you think will happen? Yes, young people today have unrealistic expectations and think getting married is a burden because they are scared. If there were more examples of wholesome functioning marriages , that will restore faith in love and marriage and more people will choose to get married. The solution is to restore people's faith in marriage. Once that happens everything else will get sorted out on its own.

[@Kamitube]

This is the answer.

[@lefromthecity]

The segment around 11:45 is something very relatable as an American woman as well. To survive as an adult in our society and be comfortable your have to be educated and successful, so we worked hard…that’s makes our standards for a partner a lot higher to give all that hard work up or just makes us give up on the dreams of children and a family.

[@Yelutheleader]

You will give up something. Just make sure you are clear on your decision, because no one will come save you once it’s decided.

[@curiouspeople6441]

When the laws are unfair , we don’t need to get married to live together 😊

[@adelb7897]

EXACTLY! That's what I want, it would be great to find a girl that is right for me but what's the point of getting legally married. I'm totally down to get a spiritual or religious marriage and do a wedding for our families and friends but I ain't signing a problematic legal contract with the government.

[@BlkLotusFlower]

People just don't want to commit, especially here in America. You could be in the talking stage for 5+ years and they would STILL choose someone else over you. While you were showing your support for them and being there for them. They always run off with someone they met for like one month and all of a sudden that person is their whole world. Then you got those who just straight up want to f**k around and never commit. That's disgusting. It's literally safer to be single than even try getting to know someone at this point.

[@kated3165]

Dude.... you spend 5 years talking to a person you want to date, but YOU NEVER clearly explain your feelings to them?? Then YOU are the one who totally F-ed up! Were they interested in you? You'll never know, because you never asked! Never even sowed that seed of possibility in their mind. They probably assumed you were not interested anyways BECAUSE you never made it clear. They spend 5 years talking to you... because they value you as a friend. They didn't "run off with someone else" or "screw you over" somehow. They are a normal person, with friends, who also happened to have found a romantic partner.... one who likely clearly expressed their romantic intentions early on.

[@Blaaaah98]

Yes!

[@ucrjedi]

@@kated3165 I think he meant talking about marriage for 5 years but can't be certain. Just my guess.

[@nothankyoudontwantalastnam847]

This literally just happened to me omfg

[@burmesepython393]

@@kated3165 Nailed it. It’s ok to be friends at first, but eventually you have to shoot your shot quickly. I needed to read this.

[@MeMe-zq7qd]

I’m of the perspective that marriage and romantic relationships just aren’t worth the trouble. Getting in a relationship is like playing Russian roulette. Sure it could be great, but it also has the possibility to completely destroy your life if you pick the wrong person and red flags in people aren’t always obvious. When 50% of marriages end in divorce it’s a very good sign that marriage is not a great idea. Being single is much less drama and it means your not at the mercy of another person.

[@rowentree3999]

I see marriage as tied to religion, the state, and heteronormative traditions that oppress women. I'm in a great long-term relationship, but if either of us decides we want to leave, we should be able to do that easily and amicably. Marriage will only cost us money and introduce legal complexity. And then there's the stress of coordinating a wedding. No thanks.

[@adelb7897]

100%, I agree and that's the life I would ideally want, even with potential kids involved but the government shouldn't have any say in my family and how my partner and I decide to work things out unless there's actual criminal activities going on like physical abuse or scamming/theft.

[@jsocials]

Everyone blames social media. Social Media is to blame to an extent but Social Media has also allowed people SHARE their experiences of marriage. Marriages were not any better in the past, no one shared their horror stories for fear of being shame. Also the Corporate Greed and Government reckless spending that has made being a human expensive.

[@relaxationstation7374]

Trillions of dollars in frivolous divorce lawsuits, more than 90% of which are filed by women, would definitely be a huge deterrent to getting married!

[@opiniwise]

No 69%

[@badam2235]

@@opiniwise check for women under 45...

[@RA-ms3je]

And women are tired of sacrificing their careers and freedom to ungrateful men. Free labor and risk your life to have children while he sacrifices nothing

[@baldeagle4710]

Marriage only benefits women

[@ThrowAway-f6q]

@baldeagle4710 Married women die earlier than single women.

[@royalnovember66]

Younger generations are so engrossed with the emotional side of relationships and take the COMMITMENT part for granted.

[@jsocials]

What is your definition of commitment? Seems to be thrown around like a buzzword. People were probably just as non-committal in the past. Men cheated, women couldn't leave. Reality is people's actions are dictated by the laws of their time. Majority of women were unhappy in marriages but people will tell you marriages were so beautiful back in the day. 😅

[@ThrowAway-f6q]

Most of our grandfathers have two families. Commitment on the side of the woman.

[@RahulBendu]

They say millennials are the last gen that may experience TRUE LOVE! This is a sad state of affairs! And needs to be portrayed as such - it’s truly worrisome & SAD! Besides money; this whole competing thing between two genders - constant you vs me has gone too far, fragile egos, extreme ‘isms’, unwillingness to compromise/sacrifice, thinking as a team vs too much ‘I/me/myself,’ distractions due to availability of ‘options’, online dating that ruins the whole experience of finding true love, relationship advice taken from social media fads, friends/people who intervene, and themselves have had failed relations leading to decent people/couples also self-sabotaging! You work hard, break whatever ceilings in life, but don’t have that one person to call yours only and return home to - then what have you truly achieved? Families/marriages breaking down, collapsing and this increasing trend points to a lonely, sad future for all and needs serious introspection rather than glorifying single-hood and individualism. One has to know and realise, if one has been single through out or major part or their life, esp. divorced then one has FAILED at love, and that may or may not be okay- really depends why, but it certainly mustn’t be glorified! Highlighting people who have had success in long-term love MUST be glorified and sought after. There are some who still hope to find true love/companionship - not the fleeting kind - the one&only kind, but current media portrayal of things which glamourises certain things dissuades and worries them. God save us all! Or not….

[@adelb7897]

Agreed mostly, but define 'true love'. Also money does play a part, I think we should find a way to get money out of the equation of relationships as much as possible in general. Also marriage is a religious/spiritual thing and should remain that, let's throw out this whole legal bs of being married. Get rid of the legal documents and just have religious or spiritual ceremonies for marriages.

[@winterwulf1995]

I'm a millennial and I'm pretty sure love is just made up sentimental bullshit designed to manipulate others into doing for you

[@sadguru1969]

Marriage is a cage which every sensible human should avoid getting into !

[@yespls4184]

For me, it's simple: i can't find any man to love me.

[@gamingghost9345]

@@P.90.603😂😂😂

[@joebloe4374]

​@@P.90.603even they can easily find a man

[@itsme-sq5rd]

Define love.

[@annatar6453]

You mean you can’t find a 6 foot tall, good looking, rich man to love you.

[@joebloe4374]

@@annatar6453 they want a man better than them in every aspect... But somehow think they are the prize🤣

[@naveedrehman2987]

Too many selfish people. Marriage requires sacrifice which either one or both parties in the union are unwilling to do

[@miaa7097]

Sacrifice and then what? Keep sacrificing, plus the stress. I would rather live alone

[@CordeliaWagner1999]

I don't want sacrifice, I have never seen a happy marriage. I choose better

[@celestialstar124]

Who doesnt mind sacrifice? How many people sacrifice for job, education and parents etc? You want to sacrifice everyday for your entire life just for a bad husband and ungrateful children?

[@UK26000]

Women have always sacrificed and men haven't, women aren't willing anymore so marriages are falling apart. Maybe men should do better.

[@sleepyking4558]

@@celestialstar124if u end up with a bad husband that’s on u, ur literally the same person who picked him🤦‍♂️😂 And if ur kids are ungrateful that’s also on u, ur literally the person that raises, and molds them with ur values. If they come out rotten and ungrateful that’s because u did a poor job as a parent.

[@siriusman6169]

This problem is not peculiar to South East Asia , Nigeria the most populous country in Africa is teeming with tens of millions of unmarried Bachelors and Spinsters in their 30s, and for most the major reasons are Financial.

[@UFOhunter4711]

I think here they're talking only about East Asia and not the South East from what I can see here in ASEAN marriage seems to be doing alright, it still holds a HUGE place socially

[@siriusman6169]

@UFOhunter4711 All the same, Acknowledging the problem is a step forward.

[@sarahkhalil329]

This was a very good discussion Great questions and Amy hit the nail on the head with her answers. People do have to learn the skills to be in a committed long term relationship. A lot of us have delusions about relationships rather than dreams. And we aren’t behaving in the way that would achieve what we claim we want.

[@MaxJones-dj5ub]

If two people get married and STAY married then life is cheaper…

[@davedsilva]

She faces huge pressure from the Sisterhood to divorce, so men need to factor in this very high cost that will leave them in ruins financially and mentally

[@Fatima-kp8hi]

@@davedsilvaits benefits men more

[@Sei1989]

As long as there are no kids

[@alannajackson3768]

Exactly kids are what makes the middle class broke and go bankrupt

[@MaxJones-dj5ub]

@@Sei1989 you could say the same thing about unmarried couples though, so that doesn’t prove anything about marriage.

[@Indlovu402]

Everyone is looking for the perfect partner and that person does not exist. Marriage is all about tolerance and let's face it it's not for everyone. The marry a friend is all fantasy and wishful thinking, we're thinking of marriage in an idealistic manner.

[@siriusakari6729]

What is wrong with marrying a friend? You are most likely to share common values and goals.

[@jonoshaa]

Quality marriages exist. People are looking to be in a quality marriage that feeds their soul. That's not 'idealistic'. It's sensible.

[@jameskamotho7513]

​@@jonoshaaDefine quality marriage?

[@Touyoujin]

⁠@@siriusakari6729Yes, that’s when girls sleep with multiple friends (fwb), that’s heaven 😂

[@Indlovu402]

@@jonoshaa What's a quality marriage? All marriages have their ups and downs, there is no such thing as a perfect marriage.

[@MasterTSayge]

Ever since I became M G T O W , my life has become stress-free, peaceful, and money. Plus No more offspring to slave for the machine or the rich. There is nothing in it for me for marriage.

[@mildredmelusine6970]

I want to have a baby, but 1) I would have to work full time while being a parent, 2) Men may help with finances but they rarely put in the emotional labour of sustaining a long term relationship, and they leave us as single mothers. 3) I can't afford to raise that baby even with a partner, so if I'm single my life is over. 4) I have to put a huge toll on my body to get through pregnancy and labour. ---If the govt paid me to have kids on my own and I could have a 'village' of people helping me occassionally I would do it in a heart beat.

[@benghiskahn3673]

3) choose better men.

[@maxiehilaire686]

the government will literally give you money for each child you make out of wedlock. stop this

[@CordeliaWagner1999]

Ever heard of mommy communities? Raising children is way easier when you have other women to live with you instead of having to take care of a man.

[@RA-ms3je]

​@@benghiskahn3673where are they?

[@Checkmate9moves]

You are the problem. Choose better

[@GeoffreyAngapa]

The scam is love. Celibacy is best.

[@sleepyking4558]

Bro got heartbroken once and never recovered😂

[@mohamedelsaad4247]

​@@sleepyking4558your shaming tactic is outdated 😂

[@adelb7897]

​@@sleepyking4558yeah, quit shaming. And if he did really get broken up with and is hurt from that, we should empathize. I hope he is happy and finds his way. Men need more empathy, understanding and compassion and less combative toxicity. This is why they say toxic masculinity harms men and partly why so many men suffer needlessly and end their lives more often.

[@sleepyking4558]

@@adelb7897 "This is why they say toxic masculinity harms men and partly why so many men suffer needlessly and end their lives more often." What I said isn't toxic masculinity, its called having basic masculinity, and not being bitter, immature, and hyper fragile like the OP. Also when our societies were filled far more with "toxic masculinity" the self deletion rates were drastically lower. So no if we're being honest "toxic masculinity" is definitely not the cause of the abundant self deletions. Its the lack of masculinity and the goofy mindsets of people like u and the OP.

[@D_402S-h2z]

@@sleepyking4558 True love isn't real. It doesn't exist. It's a scam.

[@manzarabbas7953]

Overthinking is the reason for not getting married.

[@sonderexpeditions]

I love my parents but I don't want to go through what my dad put my mom through. Long marriages mean nothing. Marriage benefits men more, but is best for children if healthy. It's the woman always sacrificing.

[@DjScottMasters1990]

Marriage definitely benefits women 100 percent more😂😂😂😂 than man

[@sonderexpeditions]

@@DjScottMasters1990 not according to gender expert Richard Reeves. Data says other wise. Pew research "single Americans " shows over 40 men desire relationships more than over 40 women and divorced men remarry at faster rates due to this desire whereas divorced women are less likely to prefer remarriage. Men get all their emotions needs through their partners and women manage majority of their social life. Men are more likely to be depressed at all ages due to being single and statistucally desire children more than women. Women in all countries end up poorer post divorce on average but happier. Most countries without alimony, with automatic 50/50 have higher divorce rates than the usa and even countries where women face sexism at highest rates they choose divorce more than men even if it leaves them destitute without their kids.

[@CordeliaWagner1999]

Men get a free housekeeper, dhat do women get from being married?

[@CordeliaWagner1999]

After divorce, the unpaid housekeeper finally gets some money for all her wogk. Don't move in wihh a man, you'll be his mommy

[@Checkmate9moves]

​@@CordeliaWagner1999the same thing they've had since the dawn of time, protection

[@Nopadope]

Stop getting married, go to therapy, heal your trauma, raise the collective consciousness…sounds good to me

[@nikkih4692]

We’ve seen that happily ever after is not, in fact, happy and therefore are opting out.

[@omuani]

Marriage is good. The problem is that people get benefits of marriage without a marriage. Also, by the time people have been married, they've been in multiple relationships such that staying married is a chore rather than a commitment

[@LuckyBide]

It's just that marriage is outdated and has too many drawbacks.

[@btsmochimi7924]

Late stage capitalism. Pairing decreasing fertility rates with increasing mortality rates could be the next best thing.

[@viviane7358]

People are getting smarter 😂

[@itsgusco]

To be honest as an 18 year old i don't really care that much i just want to be rich (coming from someone from generational poverty) aslo being a mother is too much of a responsibility and I'm pretty selfish and i wouldn't be a traditional wife a husband would want lol😂

[@jmgonzales7701]

U do u

[@opiniwise]

Not all husbands want a traditional wife but Do what makes you happy. I myself am not. They tell me I'm going to die alone, but who doesn't?

[@MA-gu2up]

Get rich? Most people won't achieve that, so is it wise for all people to work towards that while sacrificing having a family? Having a family is something nearly all people are able to do

[@OO9O9]

​@@MA-gu2up you are sacrificing you time by commenting where it doesn't concern you.

[@kitataki2296]

@@MA-gu2up there’s nothing more pathetic than men thinking that the only thing they’re able to accomplish in this wold is having a wife and a few children

[@missamychan]

Thanks for having me on the show. Loved the conversation!

[@manalcali153]

Lol

[@missamychan]

@@manalcali153hilarious right!

[@Somebboddyy]

@@missamychanI downvoted the commenter that said lol to you. Your analysis was so great, thanks for being on the show and leaving a comment behind! Personally, I think that people should do whatever feels right for them without feeling guilty or pressured into making one of the biggest decisions of their lives. It is no small feat.

[@jameskamotho7513]

I liked your point about people loading too much on their partners and this is actually a major reason for marriages being too difficult...

[@itry2understand800]

Thank you for participation and your contribution to this conversation. You are right that delusional expectations and extreme romanticism shown in movies, social media, and social groups effectively erode gratitude for the sincere contributions of our partners. In the future, perhaps more attention could be given to the unilateral nature of summary divorces and the unequal division of the financial penalties and social stigma.

[@Infinitynow696]

Spoken by people who have never been married. Marriage is complex first and foremost because there are reasons we are drawn to people- fundamentally driven by our personal wounds and need for life lessons. Friendship marriage is transactional and these are also as unsustainable in modern society - modern humans want more than just the picket fence. I am not a proponent of romance over reality but without deep love and respect and being able to grow together, transactional marriage too will run aground.

[@akirasuzuki8378]

Lack of money (unless it is poverty) should not be the reason not to get married. Millions of people around the world get married today with limited financial means. Today's young people in the cities (both men and women) do not want to sacrifice their current lifestyle. Marriage requires sacrifice for becoming a parent. If they do not want it, that is their choice.

[@MichaelRodriguez-ur6bu]

This is 100 percent the real reason. The vast majority of people can afford it per se. The issue is a tiny amount of people can afford it and still have a large house, vacations, nice cars, weekly eating out, and the other limitless consumption options. Modern westerners are simply not willing to cut their lifestyles and live like a middle class person did in 1990. In addition, if this were to suddenly happen the economy would completely meltdown because this consumption has been built into the system. The only other option is for people to work 80 hours per week and have others raise your kids which sounds absolutely miserable.

[@akirasuzuki8378]

@@MichaelRodriguez-ur6bu That's a Good point. It is their priority to maintain a lifestyle, so blaming everything on "can't afford it" is somewhat disingenuous (there are exceptions with really poor). From the 1960s to today, many low-income families (White, Black, Latino, or Asian) across USA work two jobs and have kids. They choose to sacrifice for having a family. This is not only true for Western or developed countries; it is true in all parts of the world. Those who want to have family and children know they have to sacrifice, and they do.

[@MichaelRodriguez-ur6bu]

@@P.90.603 it’s more about having kids than getting married. Yes getting married can be cheap if you just file paperwork with the government. I’m talking about having 3 children and maintaining a high consumption lifestyle is incredibly difficult for a normal couple unless you are willing to work 60 plus hours per week for decades which most people aren’t.

[@MichaelRodriguez-ur6bu]

@@P.90.603 right I’m not talking about a marriage I’m talking about the lifestyle sacrifices that are required for middle class people to have 2-3 children.

[@lucycooper9149]

Never mind maintaining our current lifestyle; my husband and I couldn't reasonably afford to feed any children that we might have.

[@mildredmelusine6970]

Also, here in montreal, Quebec Canada, men don't want to have children, even if the women do. They enjoy the bachelor lifestyle too much.

[@adelb7897]

What about having children minus the marriage? I am a man who wants kids eventually when im financially and emotionally stable enough but the whole legal marriage thing doesn't make sense to me. I think weddings could be a nice gesture and a spiritual marriage like a promise but without the government involved.

[@winterwulf1995]

What can I say the bachelor lifestyle is preferable to being a walking wallet and emotional punching bag

[@JJ-rp2df]

Men realise marriage means divorce, betrayal and poverty. It's not that hard to understand

[@a.r.tavares1322]

If they didn't betray, maybe there wouldn't be divorce...

[@rocheclip]

I see you with your rage bait there 😂😂

[@shaymalchione809]

The number one reason for divorce is men lie & cheat.

[@maxnator]

@@a.r.tavares1322 so women dont cheat? idiot

[@elanita71]

😂😂look whose saying "man"

[@mecanuktutorials6476]

8:00 Korean culture sounds just like the US tbh . Shame and blame people for things out of their control. It’s only the higher ups that get away with being selfish. Everyone else has to be a team player. All gaslighting.

[@tanzeelahmadhashmi6209]

Absolutely on point. HR found it absurd that I actually took my 1 hr lunch break and didn't spend it on the screen

[@hlulanisibanda3901]

No more slaves for the rich

[@fanlee6560]

The youngsters are smarter now. They think. There are 9 billion humans living on limited resources. The more this number is, the competition gets tougher, for future offsprings. Life is not so easy for many of us now already. There was a time the rich get richer, because so many slaves are were being produced, so they definitely want to see more humans on earth as more slaves, they get richer. it benefits them, meanwhile for most folks who depend on working for a living, life just gets tougher.

[@ec6621]

Marriage for me is great. We both work (as engineers) yet have "traditional" roles meaning that I as the wife do about 90% of household management/work and childcare. He prefers to dedicate himself to earning the most salary possible. But I'm okay with that arrangement bc we agreed he pays 90% of household bills which frees a large portion of my engineering salary to be used in personal investments and he gets to earn a bigger paycheck, portion of which he also uses in personal investments. The result is we both are financially invested in the marriage (since we both have marital assets), and we both know our roles without ever having to step on each others toes. Overall, it's pretty harmonious.

[@fvalentine25]

You have money…it works because you have money.

[@ec6621]

@fvalentine25 Exactly. Our arrangement is relatively privileged, I know most couples wouldn't be able to do this.

[@GhossupGurls]

Lmaooo. Delusional. You're both financially invested in the marriage but as far as the biology, only YOU have ever been invested which means he can walk away ANYTIME, no matter how food you think you haven't. And even that division of responsibilities, YOU are actually doing 95% and hes only doing 5%, againz perfect formula for him to walk away. That means the only reason he sticks around is that he wants to. And men are notorious for throwing out women. Now I know both men and women enough to understand you don't even believe me. So think for yourself, what will happen if hypothetically your husband just decides he wants someone else. How will you stop him from having to take on 100% of the family you made together? How will you stop him from leaving you to now carry all of it yourself? THIS is why women stopped marrying.

[@GhossupGurls]

That's only great if one is deluded and brainwashed.

[@ec6621]

@GhossupGurls Well, neither of us are deluded nor brainwashed, yet it's great for us. So we're an example that disproves your "That's *only* great if..." statement.

[@brunoqnzbk7891]

I'm going dancing tomorrow night, as I try to do at least once a month. I'm almost 50. My sister, who is a SAHM, doesn't even go out on her birthday. That's sad af. 4B.

[@democracyactionprojectsuda7422]

And this leads to " Sexual Depravation " which has pervasive consequences in long term. People do pretend that intimacy depravation isn't an issue , but it actually is. Part of the underlying psychological and mental health issues that those generations go through come from this depravation. How are you gonna handle the urge and hunger for intimacy if you think you have succeeded in getting rid of Marriage? stupid world !!

[@Stories4SaleMedia]

They said they're single not celibate.

[@derKosmoprolet369]

for the urge of intimicy you needn't get married.....and in case of desperation: there are prostitutes!

[@solomongrundy1467]

Dude, women will never be sexually deprived, unless by choice. Even old women and land whales can get laid if they want to.

[@Boo86473]

I will never ever in my life get married. I am fighting for my life to make enough money to always be alone. I cannot do it I hate relationships

[@skullcandy9641]

Even in an arranged marriage where people cannot get out of it due to traditional peer pressure....some deep down wish to die rather than live on even if the spouse has not done illegal wrongs

[@martypoll]

To Amy’s point about the 6 month-2 year honeymoon period - prior to both my marriages I lived with my girlfriend for 2 years before we got married. The first marriage lasted 34 years and I am 5 years into the 2nd marriage. She also makes a good point about the need for skills to stay in a relationship. A contractual marriage provides the break to allow people to reconsider conflict in the relationship. If it is too easy to leave a relationship then it is too easy to not put in the work into sustaining a relationship. Relationships are work. And usually the benefits of any work are worth the effort.

[@OO9O9]

How old are you and your current wife?

[@tenthsecond]

Times have changed but it will continue changing and could very well make full circle. The beauty of the human lifespan; a pebble in time. Reeling in reality, when genders are equal, they will want to go back to biology. It is a never-ending cycle of rebellion and getting to goals. Many get caught up and forget that the journey is key.

[@adicechiel]

Marriage is beautiful, only when you marry the right person 😂

[@teem7303]

Too bad your ideal match isn't clearly marked. It would've been easier.

[@JessicaDainese]

I am a gen X single woman (born in 1975) and marriage was already in decline in Italy for my generation. Then they introduced "civil unions" for both straight and non straight couples. Most of the privileges of marriage, none of the divorce troubles. Marriage is just wrong. We do not need marriage.

[@mohamedrafrafi790]

Marriage is the backbone of the society With out marriage society can't survive and will collapse

[@JanetLClark]

Friendship marriage or marriage of convenience, make sure you get a marriage (prenuptial) agreement or cohabitation agreement if you want to live "common law" before you move in, and don't think you can cheap out on an internet version. This will save you tens of thousands of dollars if the marriage breaks down.

[@mcaslaf]

Absolutely true. It baffles me how common law or cohabitation couples think they have the same rights or marriage is just a paper. Oh well when the storm hits you have zero protection.

[@paulitics00]

my happily ever after is FREEDOM!. 🕊️

[@celiajames600]

❤❤❤

[@thimalidassanayake]

❤❤

[@aftereverything1769]

Me and my fiance have been in our Marriage Preparation before our Catholic Wedding (Pre-Cana Classes). The Classes really helps on preparing you mentally, emotionally, financially, & spiritually AS A COUPLE before you officially take your vows. Maybe some of the couples who got married & got divorced soon after, haven’t had any marriage preparation classes whatsoever.

[@m0nz13]

Even with marriage preparation courses (religious or otherwise) divorce rates are still 20% and above. Infidelity, Stress, societal pressures, cost of living, cultural incompatibility adds up to divorce/annulments. It doesn’t guarantee a long lasting marriage. Maybe it’s time for us to see that marriage truly isn’t the end goal because not everyone is made for marriage or parenthood. Out of 10 friends that I know are married, only ONE friend is happily married. Everyone else hates their spouse for multitude reasons and it’s rly nothing the government can do. Even domestic violence and other abuse is on the rise (not that it hasn’t been happening since the beginning of humankind), all thanks to rabid online misogyny and echo chambers of the likes.

[@OO9O9]

Why are consulting cults that tells you as a woman need to submit to a male?

[@mikhelBrown]

Solve the current Monetary system and alot of young people will prioritize getting married. It's that simple. 💯

[@Alertbytes]

Indeed the end is near....they think they planned byt actually it's the planning of the greatest planner

[@harishaneef26]

Love is meant to transform us to be better versions of ourselves . People today dont look for love rather a relationship that feeds their ego . It must make them look like a “perfect couple”rather than being an actual perfect couple. To be a perfect couple there must be compassion and forgiveness between the man and the woman . This is missing so sooner or later the relationship fails . Such relationships cannot end in a wholesome marriage because it lacks the most important factors that keep a couple together

[@redatticus7606]

Amen to that

[@judigemini178]

Marriage was never created for love, it was created for power, legacy & stability...i think that's the issue, society created this bstdzd version of marriage based on "love" instead of evolving the concept into sth that is sound of mind and works for both parties

[@OO9O9]

​@@judigemini178🤡

[@judigemini178]

@@OO9O9 It must be so nice and comforting to use your little clown emojis online, huh?cause in real life you'd be too much of a coward to even say anything

[@judigemini178]

@@OO9O9 Isnt it so nice and comforting to use your little clown emojis online? You must be real brave in real life too

[@snaspectrum6691]

Marriages are the best way to involve humans into society. But this concept has been susceptible due to inclusion of social burdens like financial, societal, moral, resulting younger generations are not interested in this. If you see this canvas on a broader picture, you will realize how this simple rule has become complex made by humans for themselves.

[@drm1996]

Imagine getting a divocre and paying to your ex wife to enjoy her life when she is with another man and you can never see your children again .... and children will hate you forever just because their mom is poisoning their mind .....

[@NK-df9hf]

Children hate their fathers because fathers are easy to hate. You abandon your family and responsibilities to our mothers and think we won't notice? Think again buddy!

[@winterwulf1995]

​@@NK-df9hfWomen initiate about 70% of divorces. Try again sweetheart

[@harshithgp3679]

Don't try to fix something that was never broken to begin with.

[@GhossupGurls]

Lol. It WAS broken. That's why everyone is trying to fix

[@jojohn103]

​@@GhossupGurls😂😂😂what a nonsense.. Then why is there a rise in divorce rate..

[@GhossupGurls]

@@jojohn103 what???? You sound quite insane. Then why is there a rise in divorce rate? Hmmm someone was bleeding internally would you know it just by looking at the body? Does it mean one is healthy if you can't perceive that internal bleeding at first?

[@grahamashe9715]

How do you slow population growth without anyone even realising it? Empower women (even to the point of absurdity) but say it’s about equality.

[@Joshua-eo5hr]

😂

[@user-FUCKYOU18]

Femininism killed humanity

[@ThrowAway-f6q]

How dare women have rights? Who is they?

[@alwaysright9099]

Reading these comment makes me so happy I found the love of my life ! I’m an African American woman that married a Korean American man and we only have one rule ! That rule is “ Married People have no business hanging out with Single People” and after reading these comments, it is a reminder on why !!!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂