What If China Was Colonized? | Alternate History

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Monsieur Z

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@MonsieurDean
@MonsieurDean 2 жыл бұрын
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@JTL1776
@JTL1776 2 жыл бұрын
WHAT IF AMERICA COLONIZED JAPAN. WHAT IF AMERICA COLONIZED NEW ZEALAND. WHAT IF AMERICA COLONIZED GREENLAND. WHAT IF AMERICA COLONIZED CUBA. WHAT IF AMERICA COLONIZED PANAMA AND NICARAGUA.
@Ggdivhjkjl
@Ggdivhjkjl 2 жыл бұрын
That last map can't be seen because it's covered by all your 4 ads. Please use a longer outro to avoid this.
@sircharlesross537
@sircharlesross537 2 жыл бұрын
That’s the thing about your channel. You cover extremely interesting topics, but you spend more than half, sometimes 3/4 of the video talking about the preface. Like in this one, it took you 7 out of the 13 min to actually say, “what IF china was colonized?” And then you dive into the scenario. I understand timeline setup is important, but I don’t think it needs to take up the majority of the video.
@MonsieurDean
@MonsieurDean 2 жыл бұрын
@@sircharlesross537 I hear you, and I find it frustrating when a script turns out that way, but I'll definitely be aiming to make the background to scenario ratio more balanced moving forward.
@brandonjade2146
@brandonjade2146 2 жыл бұрын
@@MonsieurDean i don’t mean to be a rush, i was just wondering when is the next 7 ages of america vid coming?
@Normal_Boii
@Normal_Boii 2 жыл бұрын
It'd be interesting to see how a great war would be fought in this front
@CanadianPhinsFan853
@CanadianPhinsFan853 2 жыл бұрын
Stay tuned. It will happen
@yarn7344
@yarn7344 2 жыл бұрын
@@CanadianPhinsFan853 when?
@memesyoinker1664
@memesyoinker1664 2 жыл бұрын
@@yarn7344 when Taiwan begins speaking communist
@alphagamer9505
@alphagamer9505 2 жыл бұрын
It would easily be deadliest thearte of the war, just because of the sheer number of the Chinese and ww1 would actually be a world War, instead of a big European like it was
@tian814
@tian814 2 жыл бұрын
You would likely see massive anti-imperial revolts. Japan would likely take advantage of the situation starting what would be essentially a second sino-Japanese war since Japan would be the only foreign power who could commit any meaningful amount of recourses to the theatre. It’s unlikely however that Japan could hold anything more than maybe Manchuria, Shandong, and perhaps Tientsin/Peking. I don’t think that Significant colonial rule returning to China from the European powers, however maybe a international occupation of cities like Shanghai would develop. From there I feel like it could be anyones guess.
@darthrevan7231
@darthrevan7231 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like the United kingdom would get the Shanghai area and Hong Kong area to expand and france would go deeper in the north from Vietnam
@iggyzeta9755
@iggyzeta9755 2 жыл бұрын
UK would probably want control of the rivers and canals.
@JackRabbit002
@JackRabbit002 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah that makes sense in all honesty and where we could place a boat we normally laid our claim so.....
@teragrithious
@teragrithious 2 жыл бұрын
👁🐽👁
@prince_yt3406
@prince_yt3406 2 жыл бұрын
Never gonna happen and never did happen 😂
@Based-wn9jg
@Based-wn9jg 2 жыл бұрын
Just like in real life with British Weihaiwei and French Guangzhouwan?
@Thebiggestchief
@Thebiggestchief 2 жыл бұрын
Imagine being only 9 percent of the world population but directly colonizing 80 percent of the world
@nomanor7987
@nomanor7987 2 жыл бұрын
Are you talking about Islam?
@mrs.hancock4124
@mrs.hancock4124 2 жыл бұрын
Wrong! Technically those who control said European populations through privately owned monetary systems are not indigenous to Europe and make up less than 3%.
@suorerbacha9426
@suorerbacha9426 2 жыл бұрын
@@nomanor7987no,he's talking Abt Europe
@kyojurobutasademon8271
@kyojurobutasademon8271 2 жыл бұрын
Oh man, we were unstoppable.
@alphagamer9505
@alphagamer9505 2 жыл бұрын
That's technology advanced means
@codysodyssey3818
@codysodyssey3818 2 жыл бұрын
I disagree that China would be a German ally. If China still remained independent they would have been dominated by the British. In our timeline the British got a lease over Weiheiwei which basically meant it was British territory in all but name. I'd see the British getting more of these leases in this scenario, especially around the Yangtse and Yellow rivers.
@anoobyproaz5616
@anoobyproaz5616 2 жыл бұрын
The militaries of the governments that came after the Qing were very friendly to Germany, the main service rifle of the ROC was a tweaked Mauser (the Type 88).
@Yourmom-kz7wm
@Yourmom-kz7wm 2 жыл бұрын
Nope. British can never dominate china. It was simply too big. That’s a fact. It took British over 100 years to conquer the whole India so china was simply impossible. Otherwise they would have done so in 1800s. But they didn’t. Because they benefit more for doing business with china and forcing them to open the whole country to make money. That’s what they wanted.
@Thanatar13
@Thanatar13 2 жыл бұрын
Any Chinese state allying to Britain, would have had zero mandate with the vast majority of Chinese people, though. Similarly with Japanese "Manchukuo"- actually, on an even greater scale. Britain was the worst offender of most blatant crimes against China, as its everyday people would see it- it fought wars to continue flooding the country with opium, it had extorted basically each type imperialist unequal treaty, and its share of concessions (ie ports and cities carved out of China's coast) was far larger than any other nation. In other words, Britain could have had a Chinese ally, but any British-aligned Chinese state would have had its hands full "pacifying" (read: routinely slaughtering dissenters and revolution) its vast population. Germany and the US would be more natural allies to a colonized China, but even Russia, France, and even Japan pushing a pan-Asian narrative and acting with a lighter hand (provided Japan behaves itself, which frankly no imperial powers in this time seemed remotely capable of doing) would have a better chance being stable allies with China, than Britain during this time period, IMO.
@taejo4975
@taejo4975 2 жыл бұрын
Not like Chiang Kai-Shek’s family members was serving in the German Army in WW2 in our timeline or anything
@Rishi123456789
@Rishi123456789 2 жыл бұрын
If Europeans colonised China, Britain would get Tibet, France would get Xinjiang, Russia would get Inner Mongolia and Manchuria, while the provinces of China Proper would be divided up between all of the European colonial empires and the United States of America (which, let's face it, is a European colonial empire by proxy).
@morsecode980
@morsecode980 2 жыл бұрын
What if the US gradually returned to isolationism after the Cold War? What if the Ottomans Romanized? What if Catherine the Great’s Greek Plan happened? What if France opposed Italian unification alongside Austria?
@50Steaks68
@50Steaks68 2 жыл бұрын
As for the first one, that’s a true scenario.
@morsecode980
@morsecode980 2 жыл бұрын
@@50Steaks68 I guess what I mean is if America started the process immediately in the early 90’s by electing an isolationist candidate in 1992 instead of continuing to be a global policeman until Trump/late Obama.
@fadlurohman515
@fadlurohman515 2 жыл бұрын
the second one could be happened if the greeks/romans converted to islam. then have a sultan in love with their culture adapted it as one of the empire official language. you can recreate the second islamic golden age with this.
@morsecode980
@morsecode980 2 жыл бұрын
@@fadlurohman515 I agree. Honestly the idea of a Third Rome being Muslim just sounds cool to me, and IMO would make more sense than being Orthodox again since Rome’s religion constantly evolved during its history; from paganism, to united Christianity, to Catholic West and Orthodox East. It just makes sense that Rome’s religion would continue to change
@alphagamer9505
@alphagamer9505 2 жыл бұрын
What if the us collapsed after 9/11 This 9/11 is far deadly with not only hitting several landmarks trought the country but also the capitol and white house.
@CairnsG
@CairnsG 2 жыл бұрын
I think Japan would most likely take the coast of china like they did in World war 2
@fintanrowe6974
@fintanrowe6974 2 жыл бұрын
Britain would likely not have allowed total Japanese control of the coastline, and Japan wouldn’t want to anger Britain by doing that in turn
@joshuat3686
@joshuat3686 2 жыл бұрын
It's hard to imagine that a China with western technology and military training would remain under colonial rule for very long. They likely would become very advanced and industrial like imperial Japan except with 10x the population. They would then easily be able to restore Qing borders and probably go much further.
@ihatemotionblur_3255
@ihatemotionblur_3255 2 жыл бұрын
@Dennisestrada what.
@001-z9e
@001-z9e 2 жыл бұрын
You're wrong. Pure capitalism has its drawbacks and can't go far enough. I'm glad we kept our roots instead of being westernized like Japan,
@anoobyproaz5616
@anoobyproaz5616 2 жыл бұрын
@@001-z9e Hmm Japan the pure capitalist state? Definitely the case given their emperor and military had a high degree of authority. And what's this? China constantly losing to Japan in the Sino-Japanese War until the USA started fighting against Japan? Couldn't imagine how being less westernized contributed to that.
@anoobyproaz5616
@anoobyproaz5616 2 жыл бұрын
@@bizmasterTheSlav Much trollage
@001-z9e
@001-z9e 2 жыл бұрын
@Hernando Malinche Do you think it's funny? "Root" is China's largest treasure and the world's largest treasure. "Root" represents the Han culture. The Han culture is formed by the fusion of dozens of ethnic and religious cultures. This is why there are still different customs all over China, and the foundation and essence of Han culture lies in "Confucianism". Confucianism pursues a harmonious social development model and does not advocate active aggression, This also provides a better idea for Communist China. Communism in modern China is not a system, but a philosophy, which plays a role in awakening China's ancient wisdom. Due to the inclusive characteristics of Chinese culture, it actively absorbs the advantages of capitalism and communism and abandons its disadvantages, The combination of communism and Confucianism has created a new unknown road for the Chinese people, and capitalism plays a role in promoting, but the interests of capital cannot affect the decision-making of the country. In addition, capitalism is free, freedom means being responsible for the interests of individuals, collectives and the country, democracy is crossing the River by touching a stone, and the people support a policy, The state will completely implement it, but on the contrary, it will withdraw. In the past few decades, we have made many mistakes, but continuous reform is still the driving force for China to move forward confidently. In the future, we will still inevitably make mistakes, but it will hardly cause a lot of losses. The West knows the disadvantages of its own system, but they can't carry out reform and allow the expansion of the influence of capitalists for many years, As a result, the current politics and the interests of capitalists have been closely combined, otherwise they will collapse completely. This is the truth of everything and the real reason why the west is afraid of China. With the rise of China and leading poor countries to resist, they will soon be unable to carry out the Modern Colonial model, economic stagnation or even retrogression, and then pay attention to their own people. The rich are God, The poor are reduced to livestock. The cultural differences between the East and the West have led to completely different results. The rise and decline of the West seem to be doomed in the long history of thousands of years, as if a short light has been lit in the dark. To be honest, I am not surprised by the correctness of politics. This has existed in China's history for thousands of years. Without the attack of the west, we will never find it. The reason why the future of the west is so tragic is that they follow the natural law of historical development, because they will never get the treasure left by China.
@randomhistoryfan7803
@randomhistoryfan7803 2 жыл бұрын
Great video Mr Z! But would Britain have Tibet, especially given the Himalayas I think that it would be more trouble than it’s worth
@JackRabbit002
@JackRabbit002 2 жыл бұрын
Know we did have a military intervention into Tibet though us Brits One of those little Colonial wars no one hears about! Quick expedition shot don't some under equipped and inexperienced locals and forced our claims on them.....You know what us Brits were good at back in the day!
@randomhistoryfan7803
@randomhistoryfan7803 2 жыл бұрын
@@JackRabbit002 I know that I mean but it looks like it was directly incorporated into the British raj, unlike Nepal which looks puppeted, Inthink it would be made it’s own entity given the trouble of governing from the other side of the Himalayas
@CoolMan-ig1ol
@CoolMan-ig1ol 2 жыл бұрын
Tibet was made a puppet state for 14 years already. And, the Gurkhas lived on the other side of Himalayas, so the brits would just pay them to go to Tibet. Tibet would be made an Autonomous princely state within the Indian empire which was a part of the british crown. Similar to Nepal, bhutan, Sikkim and Afghanistan. Administration in india was four types 1. Presidential cities (Bombay, Calcutta) where british ruled directly(this includes district capitals too) 2. Presidential Rural areas where British will collect a share of revenue from Zamindar (feudal lord, similar to a Land holding Gentry in UK). These two will have police forces run by british. 3. Integral princely state where Maharajas will rule the state while britain will take care of taxation. They could have independent military regiments working under british but with british higher officers(like the rajput regiment). Police will be under native control. (Mysore, Hyderabad, Baroda) 4. Autonomous princely state where Kings will rule the state themselves, and could staff their entire army with their own officers and soldiers. They gave "gifts" to british and also bought weapons from them. (Nepal, bhutan, Sikkim and afghanistan till 1920)
@randomhistoryfan7803
@randomhistoryfan7803 2 жыл бұрын
@@CoolMan-ig1ol wasn’t Afghanistan made to be a buffer state between the raj and Russia hence the panhandle
@Rishi123456789
@Rishi123456789 2 жыл бұрын
Tibet was a protectorate of the British Empire. Also, the British Empire controlled the foreign policies of Tibet, so Tibet was like a mostly autonomous semi-colony of the British Empire.
@georgie3611
@georgie3611 2 жыл бұрын
Whats annoying about these alternate history videos. Something that most of the content creators do is that ALWAYS spend 3/4 of the video explaining the actual history. Like yeah I know the actual history. Which is why I wanted to see alternate history...
@crusader2112
@crusader2112 2 жыл бұрын
I have to agree, and then they leave us wanting more.
@pixydust4112
@pixydust4112 2 жыл бұрын
true
@ffls775
@ffls775 2 жыл бұрын
Whatifalthist
@doomchromee8648
@doomchromee8648 Жыл бұрын
i actually want the history too
@zhcultivator
@zhcultivator 9 ай бұрын
yeah exactly......
@johnhumphrey9582
@johnhumphrey9582 2 жыл бұрын
This really needs a part two!!
@savagedarksider5934
@savagedarksider5934 2 жыл бұрын
What if China became fascist ? What if Japan became communist ? What if Mary Tudor gave birth to A son or daughter ? What if Richard III Won the war of the roses ? What if Wilhelm I died earlier, like in 1862 ? What if Edward V lived long enough to become king ?
@anmolpatel793
@anmolpatel793 2 жыл бұрын
The communist Japan scenario has already been covered in the alternate Russo-Japanese war scenario
@savagedarksider5934
@savagedarksider5934 2 жыл бұрын
@@anmolpatel793 That waa if Russia had won the russian-Japanese war. I'm talking about what if Japan became A communist power along side Russia.
@user-drugov
@user-drugov 2 жыл бұрын
China did almost become fascist. Chiang Kai Shek (the leader of KMT (the Chinese nationalist party which lost the civil war and was exiled to Formosa (now Taiwan))) ruled Taiwan as a fascist dictator and even had close relations with the Nazis prior to WW2. So if the nationalists had won the civil war, China would have certainly been a fascist state (not that it already isn't one, just with a red coat of paint).
@anmolpatel793
@anmolpatel793 2 жыл бұрын
@@savagedarksider5934 Communism could actually work better in Japan than anywhere else the Japanese have a religious devotion to country like a higher calling and that would make them all united and efficient in working without greed we need to consider a socialism with Japanese characteristics video.
@walkthisgame5372
@walkthisgame5372 2 жыл бұрын
for what if ,maybe nationalist china aligns with germany to try and purge the communists so they joined forces instead.
@gene9537
@gene9537 2 жыл бұрын
You should do a scenario of what if Japan never Isolated itself in the 1600s. And started colonies.
@juaquinfuentesjara7352
@juaquinfuentesjara7352 2 жыл бұрын
A "standard EU4 run Japan" scenario?
@alphagamer9505
@alphagamer9505 2 жыл бұрын
So what if Japan won against Korea, early Japonese expansionist empire. That is if it can defeat china
@Emilechen
@Emilechen 2 жыл бұрын
@Dennisestrada but still managed to smash all its East Asian rivals one by one, from Xiongnu to Goturk, from Mongol to Japan,
@danganrompa2626
@danganrompa2626 2 жыл бұрын
@Dennisestradathen let's have a war with China.
@crusader2112
@crusader2112 2 жыл бұрын
Classic Mr. Z great video. I like your other videos too, but nothing beats classic Alt-Hist. Keep up the great work and Peace.
@MonsieurDean
@MonsieurDean 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, pal.
@crusader2112
@crusader2112 2 жыл бұрын
@@MonsieurDean No problem. 😎👍
@unifieddynasty
@unifieddynasty 2 жыл бұрын
That's a good point. The Nationalist sentiment in China in the early 1900s was more a result of Qing failure than actually Han nationalism. Had the Qing modernized successfully, perhaps their empire would still exist today.
@CairnsG
@CairnsG 2 жыл бұрын
What website do you use to make the flags? Because their amazing!
@drakeevans3066
@drakeevans3066 2 жыл бұрын
We need a part 2 about how the first world War would play out in this timeline.
@SinoLegionaire
@SinoLegionaire Жыл бұрын
Second one too
@PutXi_Whipped
@PutXi_Whipped 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for showing it’s a great thing that China was never colonized.
@stephenferguson9756
@stephenferguson9756 2 жыл бұрын
They would like to protest. Against the CCP and communism that is. They seemed to like it better before China took it back.
@PadecMaybeReal
@PadecMaybeReal 2 жыл бұрын
Tbh i would rather see China under the UK than the ccp traitors.
@001-z9e
@001-z9e 2 жыл бұрын
This is really a good thing for a Chinese! Maybe we have different ideas, but I think Chinese culture is the greatest treasure in the world. I'm glad that Westerners will never get these treasures, and our ancestors helped us inherit and preserve them.
@PadecMaybeReal
@PadecMaybeReal 2 жыл бұрын
@@001-z9e we dont need foreigners to destroy Chinese culture and traditions, the communists are doing it already.
@anoobyproaz5616
@anoobyproaz5616 2 жыл бұрын
On mass at least, the colonized cities, especially Hong Kong and Macau, fare much better than anywhere else in China. Being shielded from the communists is first and foremost a guarantee for economic superiority.
@이동연-c6d
@이동연-c6d 2 жыл бұрын
In fact, the Korean Empire also tries colonized Manchuria territory in China and they almost succeeded. In late 19th century and early 20th century, the Korean Empire wants to reclaim their ancient territory in Manchuria and first they occupied Jiandao(간도) area. During that time, many Korean immigrants were settled in Manchuria especially Jiandao and they had conflicts with Qing government. And Korean Empire used this to territorial expansion and luckily Qing Empire was weak since the Boxer rebellion and the imperial army of Korea easily take over the Jiandao. But unfortunately, in 1909, the Japanese and Qing had a Gando convention secretly and Korea lost Jiandao forever.
@Yourmom-kz7wm
@Yourmom-kz7wm 2 жыл бұрын
Ew. Korea was just a colony from china to Japan
@bruhman653
@bruhman653 2 жыл бұрын
Do you have a source for the above information that it was Korea that tried to colonize Jiandao? When reading a Wikipedia article about the region, it says that Korean immigrants settled in significant numbers in the late 19th century to escape famine and poverty after the 1894 Japanese invasion of Korea and the de facto subjugation after they forced Korea to become a protectorate and it says that incorporation efforts of the region into Korea was more or less orchestrated by Japan who wanted to take over more Chinese land by saying that the Korean majority Jiandao should be under Japanese jurisdiction and also invaded Jiandao in 1907 causing issues, which was then solved in the Jiandao Convention when Japan withdrew troops from the region. Not trying to say you're wrong or anything, but I'm just genuinely curious about this topic and if the article I read was lacking perspective or views on the subject from the point of view of Korea.
@Yourmom-kz7wm
@Yourmom-kz7wm 2 жыл бұрын
Korean empire didn’t try to “colonize” anywhere. Your people simply escaped to china please don’t change history. Like Jinyan金焰 the Korea-born Chinese actor from 1930s to 1950s. His family escaped from Korea to china.
@qyyllamas8889
@qyyllamas8889 2 жыл бұрын
Bad for you, wanna cry?
@donodoco
@donodoco 2 жыл бұрын
Is this....what Korean have been taught in history class?
@codyshi4743
@codyshi4743 2 жыл бұрын
Do a video on what if Sun Yat Sen was able to remain as China’s president upon being elected, and swiftly defeated the Qing Dynasty and Yuan Shikai in the process.
@harrisonfreimann9936
@harrisonfreimann9936 2 жыл бұрын
For a what if you can do what if the “evacuation at Dunkirk failed”. I think that would be an interesting topic.
@keithharper32
@keithharper32 2 жыл бұрын
This could go other directions too. The Chinese Republic may not ally with Germany, having a desire to reclaim Beijing someday. THis could lead to it having friendly relations with Britain or Japan seeking aid against Germany. But the specifics would depend on how the European powers aligned with each other. Russia allying with Britain and France against Germany would be hard to predict, but Russia allying with Germany against Britain and France would see a Sino-Japanese alliance joining the Western Allies seeking to drive the Russo-German bloc out of the Far East. Or perhaps one or both of the two (China and Japan) may decide not to align with any European alliance and instead seek some sort of relationship with the United States as a means to check further European expansion in the Pacific. Just another possiblility. In any case, If Japan and China aligned, the increasing industrial capability of Japan combined with China's large population would be a formidible force against whoever the align against.
@nord_anon4406
@nord_anon4406 2 жыл бұрын
Imagine not being part of the Mr. Z notification gang.
@clydesteele2925
@clydesteele2925 2 жыл бұрын
This low-key reminds me of how China, and Asia as a whole, looks in Kaiserreich
@1mol831
@1mol831 2 жыл бұрын
It’s supposed to be right
@matthiuskoenig3378
@matthiuskoenig3378 2 жыл бұрын
so a more bloody ww1 then... it would be interesting to see the cultural results of both the pre-ww1 and the 2 post ww1 scenarios here.
@xanderreyno
@xanderreyno 2 жыл бұрын
The thumbnail alone is absolutely terrifying. My blood pressure was at like astronomic levels watching this.
@Itisjustasaganow
@Itisjustasaganow 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe in a parallel universe, someone is wondering what if China hasn't been colonized
@antoniorene2548
@antoniorene2548 2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting… especially considering all the people living there.
@julius6803
@julius6803 2 жыл бұрын
Not like that stopped Europe in our timeline
@ianblake815
@ianblake815 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve often wondered how history would have been different if this happened 💯
@fkjl4717
@fkjl4717 2 жыл бұрын
What if Berlin congress of 1878 was favorable for Balkan nations? Like freed Albania, given lands to Serbia, Greece and Bulgaria...and never returned everything to the Ottoman Empire?
@unifieddynasty
@unifieddynasty 2 жыл бұрын
I would say westernization in China began near the end of the Ming Dynasty when Jesuit and other Christian advisors held important court positions and even managed to convert members of the imperial family to Christianity. The problem is that the Qing were too slow to industrialize and relied too heavily on outdated Manchu military doctrine.
@JRX988
@JRX988 2 жыл бұрын
No way this can be done with any degree of justice in 13 minutes
@familygash7500
@familygash7500 2 жыл бұрын
*VIDEO SUGGESTION:* What if The Chinese Qing Dynasty never fell?
@danshakuimo
@danshakuimo 2 жыл бұрын
If only they started modernizing earlier this might've happened. They would probably be similar to Japan in terms of government since they were studying Japan at this time. Unfortunately for the Qing the reforms only started coming in a bit too late to satisfy the revolutionaries.
@ThePerrperr
@ThePerrperr 2 жыл бұрын
I need a sequel to this please
@fkjl4717
@fkjl4717 2 жыл бұрын
Hey, Mr. Z, how about some scenarios for Italy and Europe? 1. What if Italy was first in Tunisia (in 1880)? Would this provoke France to wage another European war? My guess, if they DO - Germany would use it as excuse to invade France again (Bismarck actually wanted this, see "War in sight" crisis), beat them and place another heavy indemnity (just like after Franco-Prussian war), while Italy could retain Nice and Italian part of Savoy. Remember that after Savoy was sold to France there was a rebellion against French. 2. What if Italy joined the Central Powers in late 1915? Actually there was an offer from Austria-Hungary that they would give Trentino area+Austrian littoral (excluding Trieste) to Italy for staying neutral while the Entente offer was much better... Let s say Austria-Hungary improves their offer like they would give Trentino area+Austrian littoral and Trieste, but Trieste stays under Austro-Hungarian until the end of war (since Trieste port was the main trading port of the Empire i dont see how they can give it away without compensation) also German Empire offers more possible French land acquisition to Italy like Tunisia+Savoy (exItalian) +Corsica +Provence (up to Rhone river) +French and British parts of Somali (really generous offer). It s known that Italy was dependent on imports from France and Britain...But by late 1915 there already happen Bulgarian joining the war , Serbian defeat and Russian Great retreat, so Italian joining the CP may be just enough to continue that series of success. Also Italian, Austro-Hungarian and Ottoman fleet could cooperate to repel possible naval invasions to Italy. 3. (Related to 2) What if there was a rapprochement between Italy and Austria-Hungary? Like Austria-Hungary gives Italy Trentino + border lands up to Isonzo river for Italian support during annexation of Bosnia event. Also Italy gets invited to military council over July crisis in 1914 , let s say Austria-Hungary did invest in Zadar port , so they now can give Trieste to Italy as price for Italian joining the CP side in upcoming war against Serbia and the Entente.
@ianeons9278
@ianeons9278 2 жыл бұрын
Continued: With the Treaty of Versailles in 1919, Germany would be forced to cede their colony to Japan. The United States would gain Shandong and a few coastal cities in Guangdong as well as a foreign concession in Shanghai. Japan would gain control over all of Manchuria and Inner Mongolia. Russia falls into Civil War so Mongolia and Xinjiang/East Turkestan tried to declare independence until the Red Army would conquer them by 1923, creating the Soviet Republics of East Turkestan and Mongolia. During the interwar period, there would be numerous revolts across French and British China, just like in India. Japan invades Russian Mongolia in 1931 and annexes it in 1935. In 1937, Japan declared war on British China by taking over some coastal cities. French China would side with Free France and not Vichy France. In 1941, Japan bombed the US Military Base in Shandong, causing the US to get involved in WWII. After the war, Japan lost all its colonies so South Korea became US-Occupied, North Korea became a Soviet Republic, Manchuria became a Soviet Republic, and Inner Mongolia joined the Soviet Mongolia Republic. Britain, France, and the US kept all their colonies in China. However after the independence of India in 1947 many uprisings against colonial rule occurred. In 1958, the US, Britain, and France agreed to relinquish their colonies in China and grant them independence, all of them being independent democracies however the Communists would still win in Vietnam. After the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991, Manchuria, Mongolia, North Korea, and East Turkestan would all become their own countries. All of them would drop Communism including North Korea which would actually reunite with South Korea in 1996. Today China would be made up of 9 different countries the biggest one being of course the Chinese Republic, a fast-growing democracy that's capital would be in Shanghai. It would basically be another India.
@1mol831
@1mol831 Жыл бұрын
USA doesn’t really take land…
@derekseyferth2390
@derekseyferth2390 2 жыл бұрын
Germany barely lost the First World War in our timeline. If it didn’t have to fight on two fronts, since Russia is now an ally, Germany and Russia would crush France and England in Europe.
@Rjonesy101
@Rjonesy101 2 жыл бұрын
Alternate time line starts at 7:40
@bernadmanny
@bernadmanny 2 жыл бұрын
The biggest flaw in this senario is Britain getting Tibet and nothing else, it's the poorest region of China where almost no one live.
@stephenquinn3447
@stephenquinn3447 2 жыл бұрын
So is what if China became a British Colony going to be renamed (old)?
@thatkidtom_e3243
@thatkidtom_e3243 2 жыл бұрын
someone needs to make a hoi4 mod of this scenerio
@LakeEatsDirt
@LakeEatsDirt 2 жыл бұрын
yess, and maybe even intergrate it into kaiserreich! id love to see that!
@prxnv
@prxnv Жыл бұрын
@@LakeEatsDirt i believe atwar has a map incorporating this into kaiserreich
@accurategamer7085
@accurategamer7085 2 жыл бұрын
I think china would be the new jewel of the British empire.
@janrudnicki6111
@janrudnicki6111 2 жыл бұрын
Very good
@Shatterverse
@Shatterverse 2 жыл бұрын
As an American, I feel I could bear to watch the break up of China - or Russia but not today - with tremendous fortitude.
@reignadams6692
@reignadams6692 2 жыл бұрын
my guess is that china getting colonized means Japan and Korea by default also get colonized, besides for that I got nothing here
@1mol831
@1mol831 2 жыл бұрын
British would probably want to colonise Japan too.
@savagedarksider5934
@savagedarksider5934 2 жыл бұрын
Alternative retelling of myth: Narcissus: We come together ! Echo took this As A sign that Narcissus had return her love; she rushed towards him and threw her arms around him and the two embraced in A loving kiss.
@sovietdoge1515
@sovietdoge1515 2 жыл бұрын
map at 0:04 is wrong, Romans and Byzantines owned turkey for several centuries.
@captainsinclair7954
@captainsinclair7954 2 жыл бұрын
Had the first World War begun in Manchuria, this would've led to much less of a decline in Britain and France. It's likely that their empires, though weakened slightly, would not completely crumble. For all we know, Japan winning in China might lead to the Japanese Military feeling real ballsy, and thus lead to Pearl Harbor happening early. While America would be the main fighter in the war, Germany might look to support the US economically while secretly rebuilding its fleet. The Germans would join the war on the side of America, and aid the fledgling superpower navally. Germany would obviously want its former Chinese holdings restored to it and then some. America would seek Japan de-militarizing, much like in our world. Russia, if it chooses to invade Japan, would seek to gain Korea as a warm water port.
@Swuiddy0086
@Swuiddy0086 2 жыл бұрын
Russia and Britian are so desperate not to border eachother, that they need a buffer agianst the other's buffer
@untitleduck9623
@untitleduck9623 2 жыл бұрын
The buffer would have a another colonial power occupying it.
@Tony_Margabro
@Tony_Margabro 2 жыл бұрын
Some ideas What if Japan conquered Korea in the 16th century? What if mithridates was successful? What if guns or gunpowder were not invented?
@eden6056
@eden6056 2 жыл бұрын
The Qing would still kick the Japanese out even if they took Korea.
@ffls775
@ffls775 2 жыл бұрын
@@eden6056 that's almost what they actually did the ming army actually invaded korea to recover it that's what I think actually motivated the japanese to leave the peninsula
@zionmolina3039
@zionmolina3039 2 жыл бұрын
How would this affect China culturally?
@이동연-c6d
@이동연-c6d 2 жыл бұрын
Become westernized.
@zionmolina3039
@zionmolina3039 2 жыл бұрын
@@siyacer I see, the century of humiliation but alot more humiliating.
@MonsieurDean
@MonsieurDean 2 жыл бұрын
The remnant Republic would very certainly benefit from the development being introduced to the region by its new colonial neighbors, not to mention that it can now focus on a smaller area to develop, rather than worrying about suppressing uprisings in the fringe corners of the state. Really, you'd have a modernized China in the Republic, gradual Russian settlement of their own territory, Germanization within the German colony, and lesser influence on the parts of France and Britain, largely because Britain mainly extracted a buffer state as a concession, while France just added to their holdings in Indo-China. If a great deal of land came under Japanese control, I do believe that would give you the most dramatic cultural change to China in this timeline.
@zionmolina3039
@zionmolina3039 2 жыл бұрын
@@MonsieurDean Will China be christinized by the any of the western nations? Will Shinto be introduced by the Japanese?
@danshakuimo
@danshakuimo 2 жыл бұрын
@@zionmolina3039 Shinto isn't really a proselytizing religion so that is unlikely. Christianity might be popular considering many influential characters during this time period were Christian, including Sun Yat-Sen, Chiang Kai-Shek, and warlord Feng Yuxiang. And with the increased Western influence many Chinese would probably become Christians, but depending on the actions of the Europeans there, it might make Christianity become less popular if relations sour. But then again, there are historical cases where relations soured with colonizers without people hating the religion introduced by said colonizers.
@carterbentonjr399
@carterbentonjr399 10 ай бұрын
Well things hasn't change that much in imports/exports when it comes to trade.
@janjamiyt
@janjamiyt 2 жыл бұрын
the french bit really looks like a dragon though
@BarryThundercock
@BarryThundercock 2 жыл бұрын
Not gonna lie, that's a mighty fine flag
@justsomeone2303
@justsomeone2303 Жыл бұрын
China: *Gets colonised* The British realising that they might be able to own HALF OF THE WORLD'S POPULATION IF THEY COLONISE CHINA: 😈😈😈
@mrs.hancock4124
@mrs.hancock4124 2 жыл бұрын
The colonization wasn’t technically driven by ethnic European” but others who still hold control over their monetary systems. To which by the way, these same others actually did in fact also ideologically colonize the Chinese Empire via implementing communism.
@lucasgomez0721
@lucasgomez0721 2 жыл бұрын
Oy...
@iceturtle-nb6rc
@iceturtle-nb6rc 2 жыл бұрын
Germany’s piece looks like an elephant
@augth
@augth 2 жыл бұрын
I find it unlikely that Germany would be given such a big part, especially with Beijing. Also, the Russians and Germans were not really friends in pre-WW1 Europe
@Chosen_Ash
@Chosen_Ash 2 жыл бұрын
yes they were they were allies until kaiser whilem the second got rid of it
@fkjl4717
@fkjl4717 2 жыл бұрын
They were big friends under Alexander II , in time the conference of 3 emperors was established. But with progress of time controversies did grow (most of them arrived with Berlin congress of 1878) and friendship butterflied away. Under Alexander III the Russo-French alliance was established.
@crusader2112
@crusader2112 2 жыл бұрын
@@fkjl4717 It’s a damn shame that Russia & Germany drifted apart, imagine the powerhouse of Russian manpower and German Industrial might/military discipline.
@brileyrowand8278
@brileyrowand8278 2 жыл бұрын
You’re completely wrong, the germans and russians had a common enemy in the british until the germans became more antagonistic and the triple entente was formed
@jackstoltz330
@jackstoltz330 2 жыл бұрын
China was the chance for colonial powers late to the game: Germany, Japan, and the USA. Germany was far stronger than it was before when having to take meager pieces of Africa and the Pacific.
@51germa96
@51germa96 2 жыл бұрын
What if the crisum compromise 1860 materielized?
@pillowfromtpotreal
@pillowfromtpotreal 9 ай бұрын
Alternate history where india isnt colonized and china is
@mrantipatia1872
@mrantipatia1872 2 жыл бұрын
Probably we would have had the Holy Empire of Britannia
@farright118
@farright118 2 жыл бұрын
0:02 the time we were respected
@swedichboy1000
@swedichboy1000 2 жыл бұрын
What if Sweden won The Great Northern War?
@alphagamer9505
@alphagamer9505 2 жыл бұрын
That one already exists, don't know if it is by monsieur z though
@caster863
@caster863 2 жыл бұрын
What if the chinese civil war resulted in a north and south split?
@alphagamer9505
@alphagamer9505 2 жыл бұрын
That would basically be a bigger version of the Korean peninsula mix with India/Pakistan eventually both sides would adquire nukes
@Alex_FRD
@Alex_FRD 2 жыл бұрын
1:44 I've been looking for a colored version of that image for years. Where'd you find it?
@MonsieurDean
@MonsieurDean 2 жыл бұрын
www.alamy.com/stock-photo-second-opium-war-chinese-officials-pulling-down-british-flag-on-ship-83341331.html
@unifieddynasty
@unifieddynasty 2 жыл бұрын
I doubt any colonizer would be able to hold Hebei and Manchuria for long. Japan tried and even they couldn't.
@Michelle_Wellbeck
@Michelle_Wellbeck 2 жыл бұрын
Are you ignorant or just ignoring how China was colonized multiple times? Coloniea as far as I know - British colony of Hong Kong SAR - 1841 to 1997 Portugese colony of Macau - 1557 to 1999 Japanese colony of Manchuria - 1932 to 1945 Numerous Treaty Ports - 1840s to 1950s
@crusader2112
@crusader2112 2 жыл бұрын
I think what Mr. Z. Means the whole of China and also the fact that groups like the Manchurians themselves assimilated into the Chinese instead of the other way around. It’s because China is too big to be fully conquered/colonized.
@bob_0146
@bob_0146 2 жыл бұрын
These videos only get good in like the last 5 minutes
@princebeglar7722
@princebeglar7722 2 жыл бұрын
Cool scenario
@batmansdad4978
@batmansdad4978 2 жыл бұрын
What if Alexander's scouts had found a path for his war column to traverse to China via mogul country
@batmansdad4978
@batmansdad4978 2 жыл бұрын
/ steppe people
@fkjl4717
@fkjl4717 2 жыл бұрын
Real Question should be: What if Alexander the Great lived up to old age and left successors to his throne (sons)?
@Squirtle-xm6bi
@Squirtle-xm6bi 6 ай бұрын
There are two kinds of countries Alexander will not conquer, one is the fairy tale writers didn't know, one is the countries have their own recorded history.
@yesman6559
@yesman6559 2 жыл бұрын
Yes
@Troleandocreyentes
@Troleandocreyentes 2 жыл бұрын
the good ending time line
@pleasedontbanmyyt9411
@pleasedontbanmyyt9411 2 жыл бұрын
sp1c you people are illegal get out of America drug dealers
@papazataklaattiranimam
@papazataklaattiranimam 2 жыл бұрын
It sounds very good 😅
@damongnojek3912
@damongnojek3912 2 жыл бұрын
Red Star Coalition. After the Western Embargo began last week, reports from Bloomberg suggest that China took a larger stake in Gazprom. Have you done a video about a Russia/China Military Alliance?
@DedicatedCaffeineUser
@DedicatedCaffeineUser 2 жыл бұрын
I think you should do a video on what the world would look like if Europe didn’t miss any places on its colonial checklist so to speak
@rokball4892
@rokball4892 2 жыл бұрын
What if the Mongolian and Goryeo alliance success to conquer Japan? What if Japan was Christianized? What if Korean Empire survived?
@MC-gs6cz
@MC-gs6cz 2 жыл бұрын
Lol alliances
@vetabeta9890
@vetabeta9890 2 жыл бұрын
To the first one they would lose control in a few years lol
@GIN.356.A
@GIN.356.A 2 жыл бұрын
Did korea ever have an empire? AFAIK they were vassal states for most of history
@Emilechen
@Emilechen 2 жыл бұрын
whatever the beginning of the scenarios, China always managed to win, by turning their East Asian ennemis into Chinese provinces or tiny island/peninsula states,
@Fornacis69
@Fornacis69 2 жыл бұрын
What if the avar khanate survived in carpathia ?
@bosniencommie1202
@bosniencommie1202 2 жыл бұрын
Prety much bolgeria 2.0 with its original alteic colture being absorbe in tu a local slavic one
@Fornacis69
@Fornacis69 2 жыл бұрын
@@bosniencommie1202 idk I feel like they’d be able to hold out if they were never destroyed by the franks, kind of like the Magyars
@wubbers662
@wubbers662 2 жыл бұрын
Wanna Collab with JustTheFacts?
@SamuelChac0n
@SamuelChac0n 2 жыл бұрын
0:09 you could argue north korea as yellow
@一阴一阳男孩儿
@一阴一阳男孩儿 14 күн бұрын
I was wondering, what if the Native Americans in some parallel universe developed a tribe all the way to the present day, and then colonized Russia across the Bering Strait in 1776?
@attempt5074
@attempt5074 2 жыл бұрын
Suggestion: What if Japan never industrialized and isolated itself?
@kiravatheargonian
@kiravatheargonian 2 жыл бұрын
So, In my Alternate Timeline (slowly becoming a mod for Hoi4) China can be divided into five. Inner Mongolia goes to Mongolia. Xing Jang goes to the USS, Tibet becomes independent or remains Communist, The rest either goes to Taiwan or Japan
@lacintag5482
@lacintag5482 2 жыл бұрын
Calling the Taiping rebellion "Han Christian" is a bit reductionist. They were technically Christians since they worshipped Jesus. But they were very different from any other sect of Christianity (except maybe the Mormons).
@Lukdnuke_Narson
@Lukdnuke_Narson 2 жыл бұрын
Neat
@do-ol2540
@do-ol2540 2 жыл бұрын
What if the Empire of Japan were on the side of the allies during World War Two?
@abood8399
@abood8399 2 жыл бұрын
I think that Germany would have maintained in this state its relationship with the Republic of China... You can search for it
@fkjl4717
@fkjl4717 2 жыл бұрын
What the Point? Japan invaded western colonies craving for resources, especially oil . Would Britain just sold oil to Japan and let them conquest China further?
@achistorian6978
@achistorian6978 2 жыл бұрын
What if The Warsaw Uprising succeeded ?
@fkjl4717
@fkjl4717 2 жыл бұрын
Is not that obvious? German army at the East would have to retreat faster as Warsaw was the main supply hub in 1944. Also the Polish Home Army was anti-communist , so if they win, UK would guarantee returning of exiled Polish government.
@achistorian6978
@achistorian6978 2 жыл бұрын
@@fkjl4717 What of the Soviet's ?
@fkjl4717
@fkjl4717 2 жыл бұрын
@@achistorian6978 Well, uncle Joe would be absolutely livid... IRL USSR signed agreement of free elections and creation of coalition government in Poland and ignored it...So if Polish exiled government returns, Poland would become a very first frontier of Cold War (Just like Korea or Germany).
@joshuasteele3520
@joshuasteele3520 2 жыл бұрын
This is the darkest timeline for China
@physicshuman9808
@physicshuman9808 2 жыл бұрын
10:48 which they did in are time against Japan
@randomhistoryfan7803
@randomhistoryfan7803 2 жыл бұрын
What if Germany backstabbed Italy , or what if Italy militarily supported Austria during the aunshcluss starting a war between Germany and Italy
@fkjl4717
@fkjl4717 2 жыл бұрын
You mean the WW2? I dont see much difference with first scenario from IRL, IRL Italy was invaded and occupied by Germans due to it is declaration of war on Germany in 1944. If Germans do it early , well then there wont be any Axis Africa and Mediterranean would be under full control of the Allies, so invasion of Sicily would happen somewhere in 1942. Also D-day would happen in both North and South of France simultaneously clearing axis forces in swift fashion... Second scenario is much more interesting. During Anschluss event German army was not ready for a big war yet, there was even conspiracy against Hitler just in case if he was crazy enough to declare war due to denying German claims over Sudetenland. If Italy did militarily support Austria , Austrian lands would become a battleground. Italian army was better suited for mountain warfare so Austrian and Italian armies would be able to drive Germans back to Austro-German border, But no further... basically it would be a draw. Next things depend on French, British and USSR opinions on event. The fact is : Military invasion of Austria would give a Bad international reputation to Hitler and Germany, but Mussolini already had it because of conquest of Ethiopia. So...Whom France and UK would choose? There is another point of diversity. If France and UK told Hitler to stop, Germany would back down and Austrian status-quo would be guaranteed. (Hitler would be removed as chancellor) If France and UK follow appeasement pattern...then everything would repeat as IRL , despite Italy now would be disgusted at both sides and isolated. Total isolation of Italy would cause deeper crisis...so Italy would stay away of any non-internal affairs. Annexation of Sudetenland would happen in the same fashion, but European society would be more Pro-war now , so France could react aggressively on following invasion of Czechia by Germany. French mobilization and Sietzkrieg would start in 1938. Italy may join the Allies now , if sanctions removed and they given a blank cheque in Albania. German army, not rearmed yet , not expanded yet , wont be able to wage this war... Also there would be Poland seeking a chance to reclaim "old-Polish" lands. So Germany would be stopped in 1939 and divided again , Poland would annex parts of Silesia and Eastern Prussia, France would take a bit of lands up to Rhine (Saar and Moselle). Hitler and other Nazi leaders would be sentenced for life...Nazism would banned. While Italian and Spanish Fascismo would be tolerated. USSR would be isolated and could not regain Western Ukraine and Western Belarus in any near moment. No Bipolar world , No cold war...
@NovaSoldier
@NovaSoldier 2 жыл бұрын
@@fkjl4717 there was invasion by germany in 44 in response to italys declaration of war because, when italy signed the armistice in 43 germany invaded italy as soon as it was signed, attacking a nonbeligerent nation
@randomhistoryfan7803
@randomhistoryfan7803 2 жыл бұрын
@@fkjl4717 well said!
@olajong2315
@olajong2315 2 жыл бұрын
I like how Russia is basically Europe. And how French Guyana is basically Europe
@theoneinthebackground4209
@theoneinthebackground4209 2 жыл бұрын
1:12 hey just like today
@Youtubefunaccount
@Youtubefunaccount Жыл бұрын
thumb nail: Chinese historic video with korea on the map lol
@Rishi123456789
@Rishi123456789 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for making this video Monsieur Z, because I have often wondered what China would be like today if it was colonised by Europeans (like a Chinese equivalent of the Scramble For Africa, I guess). A Scramble For China would involve the British taking Yunnan as one of their colonies, the French taking Chongqing as one of their colonies, the Germans taking Guangdong as one of their colonies, etc. ALL countries today have some territory that was colonised by Europeans. For example, parts of what is now present-day Thailand were colonised by the French Empire. Parts of what is now present-day Liberia were colonised by the Portuguese Empire. A part of Japan (Nagasaki, to be precise) was colonised by the Portuguese Empire. A part of what is now Saudi Arabia was also colonised by the Portuguese Empire. Parts of what is now present-day Mongolia were colonised by the Russian Empire. Parts of what is now present-day China were colonised by both the British Empire and the Portuguese Empire. Parts of what is now Iran were colonised by the Russian Empire. Parts of what is now present-day Afghanistan were colonised by both the British Empire and the Russian Empire during the Great Game. Parts of what is now Ethiopia were colonised by the Italian Empire. So you see, every single country in the world today was colonised to some extent by Europeans. Every single country. No exceptions. No other group has achieved this. Even the Mongol Empire, which was the largest contiguous empire of all time, is still second to the British Empire in size and the British Empire was only ONE of multiple European colonial empires (although undoubtedly the most influential one, the fact we're all typing in English being a testament to that). In terms of empire-building, Europeans are collectively unparalleled in human history.
@dakotadurham4788
@dakotadurham4788 2 жыл бұрын
The good ending
@zionmolina3039
@zionmolina3039 2 жыл бұрын
Another great scenario.
@kommandantgalileo
@kommandantgalileo Жыл бұрын
I personally think that Guangdong would be colonized by the brits, considering they already had a foothold in the area via Hong Kong
@angrymanwithsillymoustasche
@angrymanwithsillymoustasche 2 жыл бұрын
What if Buddhism never fell in central Asia and India? What if they spread
@maxwalker1159
@maxwalker1159 2 жыл бұрын
interesting
@indianpotatofarmer6508
@indianpotatofarmer6508 2 жыл бұрын
Day 9 of asking for what if the Zulu beat the British out of Africa
@AfungusoftheLungusAmongus
@AfungusoftheLungusAmongus 6 ай бұрын
Do Africa next.
@bennybundi9671
@bennybundi9671 2 жыл бұрын
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