What if Dinosaurs Had Evolved Intelligence? - The Dinosauroid

What would have happened if non-bird dinosaurs had never been wiped out by an asteroid and continued to evolve? Well, one palaeontologist thought that they would have developed great intelligence and eventually evolved to look a lot like humans, giving rise to the 'dinosauroid' concept. Speculative zoology, or speculative evolution, is a fascinating topic and the dinosauroid is one of the most iconic examples.
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[@doglickerproductionsinc3676]

I woke up looking like the thumbnail

[@erikwolff2942]

Kafkas metamorphosis

[@jaipreetsingh6566]

@@erikwolff2942 *kafkaesque

[@gabrieldnchf2822]

Go grandpa!

[@Hchris101]

That’s what happens when you don’t brush your teeth before bed

[@pickle9571]

Lol

[@vanillalemonfox3673]

"What if dinosuars became/were smart?" Crows: *are we a joke to you?*

[@90skidcultist]

@Mike Hock What do you think of parrots, then? Parrots, like the African Grey and Cockatoo, are smarter and can actually use their talons similar to our hands. Better than any other bird.

[@90skidcultist]

@Ryan Lopez That`s a big claim. You have any facts for that?

[@loucathwil86]

Pigeons too!

[@frogboyclips]

corvids and poarrots .

[@frogboyclips]

@@loucathwil86 ye there kinda smart but not as smart as parrots and corvids

[@anonymous-rb2sr]

"Evolution doesnt have an end goal....." Crabs:

[@FosukeLordOfError]

Waiting for humans to become crab

[@anonymous-rb2sr]

@@FosukeLordOfError We've only seen it happen to arthropods, but there are some shapes that seem to almost come up thanks to convergent evolution, if we ever discover aliens, you can bet some of them will look like fish the discovery of alien life will just be worms, bacteria, fishes, and wolf/cat like thing if they have 4 legged land animals, convergent evolution doesnt only apply to earth, so it kinda gives you a spoiler on alien life (which we have 0% chance to see in our lifetime unless there is life in the underice oceans of some moons in our solar system)

[@stanettiels7367]

Octopus: “I’m sick and fed up of this. Are we nothing to you?”

[@tturi2]

@@stanettiels7367 they are good at puzzles but don't have generational intelligence which is why tools were able to be used and refined upon by us

[@oleksiyalkhazov9201]

Wup wup wup wup woooop

[@paulburney7250]

In the 1930s there was a competition in one of the Science Fiction magazines for the shortest Science Fiction story. The winning story was 8 words long. "Space exploring dinosaurs return. Want their oil back."

[@coca_0146]

i would read a book with that premise

[@jugularmusic]

This is intense!! I came up with a treatment for a movie with this idea back in film school!!

[@ElliottJulious]

Boy do I have a show for you guys... (Rick and Morty).

[@nickidaisydandelion4044]

OMG I know that was meant as a joke but the statement has some substance.

[@tieck4408]

Corvids: "Am I a joke to you?"

[@zasproductions9258]

I originally read this as ‘covids’

[@ploppyjr2373]

@@zasproductions9258 same

[@thedoruk6324]

+tieck *laughs in glorious opposable thumbs*

[@almazzagitov9799]

@@zasproductions9258 brits actually read this as “Covids”

[@bingolingo6555]

Parrots: "Am I a joke to you"

[@Zveebo]

I feel like this was basically a therapy session with Ben confronting all of his terrifying dinosauroid childhood nightmares 😅

[@nicholasmaude6906]

I imagine a young Ben having trouble getting to sleep at night worrying about the Dinosaurid lurking underneath his bed😅.

[@Sgarnoncunce]

shit's terrifying for sure

[@leochaichana7649]

I feel same too

[@caninelynx0747]

omg yes, this brings back so many memories. I remember hiding in a ac packaging box, trying to desensitise myself by pretending to be the dinosauroid’s friend , cause i was so scared but also so fascinated by the idea of a dinosauriod at the time 😭

[@andrewblack2596]

Tell me more about your mother…

[@johnclement189]

Alternate universe : "What if monke have evolved in our level?."

[@Ventilator313]

This was posted by an Eldar

[@GGchannel1025]

I once met a race of humanoid dinosaurs, they were called "Penguins" or something like that.

[@adamhawn2523]

Or nothing like that at all. Penguins aren’t humanoid, they typically mate for life and still have tiny birdbrains. 🙄

[@GGchannel1025]

@@adamhawn2523 They at least walk upright.

[@bm0redigital508]

Me too, they were Chickens..

[@mjolninja9358]

@@GGchannel1025 behold plato’s man! -diogenes

[@cjstevens6776]

Where did u meet them at

[@hamsterratje]

Alternative titel: Ben shows his childhood nightmare, and tries to convince you it isn't real

[@phillipmitchell2254]

Speculative Reptite can't hurt you now!

[@beardpandaa]

*convinces himself

[@tachyon8317]

@@phillipmitchell2254 (Dinosauroid behind you now)

[@phillipmitchell2254]

@meow purr lmaoo really

[@danthewatcher9681]

@@tachyon8317 You're walking in the woods There's no one around and your phone is dead Out of the corner of your eye you spot him Shia LaDinosoroid

[@dr.polaris6423]

Ah yes the nightmarish dinosauroid, conjured from the dark imagination of Dale Russell.

[@thhseeking]

When I was a toddler, I was apparently terrified by a man in a polar bear suit :P I love your channel, btw :)

[@ShiftersMidnightsun]

Are e sure this isn't just an escaped SCP?

[@leoornstein3963]

Nice to see you here doc.

[@gadielgonzalez2755]

Hi Dr. Polaris

[@joshingle9526]

Hey leave my boi Dinosauroid alone. He’s living his best life.

[@adjacent-smith]

"what if dinosaurs achieved human level intelligence" David Icke: Am I a joke to you?

[@mattstearns305]

They would still be stupid 😛

[@celtic69]

Yes

[@kingdomofvinland8827]

Elaborate please

[@lazerhosen]

@@kingdomofvinland8827 David Icke (former football/soccer player) is the main guy dude behind the "Reptilian Overlords" conspiracy theory, claiming there is a race of Jewish (coincidentally he says, as he claims not to be anti-Semitic, though a lot of extremists often quote his conspiracy theories) aliens that chose a terrestrial dinosaur to "uplift" in evolution to be a subservient species. They were spared from the extinction event and have returned together to do secret stuff (infiltrate governments and media using holographic camouflage) and occasionally mutilate cattle to eat certain organs, their tongues, and drink their blood. He relates his theory to why people who claim abductions by reptoids say the aliens claim "to have been here before us and want their world back" even though these people had never heard his theories. Really his "theories" are a conflation of anti-Semitic conspiracy theories with abduction accounts and science fiction stories.

[@renivaldorodrigues8036]

There is an episode from the Doctor Who series with intelligent reptilians that survive the extinction event by sleeping underground and programming the "waking up" millions of years later in the human area.

[@nickidaisydandelion4044]

That is a possibility.

[@StManco]

"What if dinosaurs evolved intelligence" -The guy who never had a parrot

[@stevenmiller4329]

intelligence is life squared not square root life duh

[@frogboyclips]

well this is about non avian dinosaurs.

[@Percy1800sDetective]

Or a raven

[@wayneking9997]

This guy is just making his own animals up

[@JosephDawson1986]

parrots are smart but they are not very intelligent as compared with primates, many mammals or even corvids such as Ravens that can learn to talk not just mimic and even have learned to buy food by bringing shiny or interesting things to humans for food.

[@kleinjahr]

I find it interesting that the dinosauroids look remarkably like the depictions of Grey Aliens.

[@alaye5583]

Because people can’t imagine intelligent life that doesn’t look similar to us.

[@kleinjahr]

@@alaye5583 More likely a lack of imagination.A brief perusal of Barlowe's Guide will show what I mean.

[@alaye5583]

@@kleinjahr lol literally what I said

[@Ispeakthetruthify]

Because the only thing we know, when it comes to lifeforms, are the lifeforms that we have, and have had on this planet. The scope of our minds is completely Earth based. Which is why even the Aliens, and fantasy creatures in our sci-fi books and movies, usually have some Earth form they're similar to. In actuality: Lifeforms from another planet, solar system, galaxy, different environmental conditions...would look like things we couldn't even imagine. We have no concept of the place they come from.

[@kleinjahr]

@@Ispeakthetruthify Well yes of course, we only have a sample of one after all. Though that sample varies quite a bit. On the other hand there has been plenty of speculation about everything from silicon based lifeforms, critters living in gas giants et al and etc.The Grey Alien trope is just that, a trope. In my opinion a lazy trope

[@LtAlguien]

The videogame "Evolution: The Game of Intelligent Life" actually had a dinosauroid (called Saurosapien) that evolved from raptors, as the goal was to achieve human intelligence, it also had some no dinosaur ones like elephants, it even included "in between" equivalent to the australopitecus

[@JackRowsey]

That reminds me of the Sleestack from “Land of the Lost”.

[@darren806]

Yes mate have been waiting for someone to say this, exactly what I thought of

[@cartilagehead6326]

I love that in the “human + dinosauroid” society the dinosauroids don’t wear any clothes but the humans do

[@blackrivermusicstudio7648]

I've heard some popular theories on why humans wear clothes such as for temperature regulation and also to hide reproductive organs, and I guess if the dinosauroid was better at regulating its own temperature or had less obvious cloaca genitals then clothes might not be necessary. Or the creators were just too lazy to figure out what they'd wear 😄

[@vylbird8014]

Scales don't sunburn.

[@meldraghart]

@@blackrivermusicstudio7648 I would say it started as survival need(to wear clothes) but later turned into more of a religious/ethic thing

[@paulawolanski3237]

It should be legal to run around naked - but only if you have a nice body

[@shahaful66]

they grew out body shaming

[@kg7518]

Speculative evolution is back!

[@Katie-xd1nt]

alt shift x's latest vid on human spec evolution is starting to make it super mainstream

[@ethanhunt5243]

All evolution is speculative

[@Repulsive.Gravity]

All evolution is speculative

[@donnie4415]

All evolution is speculative.

[@mrmackay8353]

I only just thought of this the other day. What if they did evolve, and the myths of ‘lizard people’, who live in hollow earth, are true. They are not aliens at all, they are in fact the dinosaurs that went underground to survive the meteorite attack.

[@davidmcnamara5693]

Yes that is what they did raptors

[@robertbobbypelletreaujr2173]

Absolutely. Plus, the pressures and low light conditions under the sea and land would produce what "greys" look like and their crafts would need to go fast in oceans, so they would really go fast in the air and be accustomed to the g forces from evolving under huge pressures. Who knows?

[@osmosisjones4912]

Why does Dinodauriod have snake eyes if he's based how birds develop

[@JosephDawson1986]

the dinosauriod used the eyes the figured ttooidontids had

[@DresdonAcacinTheOriginal]

because their better at scaring children

[@Trunt87]

because its based on non avian dinosaur species

[@andrewsuryali8540]

This is definitely the most disturbing Ben G. Thomas thumbnail ever...

[@FredstarOfBritain]

I came across the dinosauroid model in a dinosaur museum in Madrid, Spain. It was something that was out of nowhere.

[@robbleeker4777]

I never imagined how they would have evolved, but it has crossed my mind how the world would have looked like today if they would not have gotten extinct..

[@ErikN1982]

Yeah, so there's a whole series of books called "West of Eden" by Harry Harrison that covers this. Can't believe they're not better known, some of my favorite books. r

[@robertwatford7425]

I remember being impressed by them in the Seventies

[@impendio]

I mean, they did… crows and parrots are like really intelligent, aren’t they?

[@justinvaughn7160]

I think they’re talking about technological intelligence

[@churchether]

He actually says non bird dinosaurs in the beginning... Edit: 1:08

[@jamesd5366]

Not human like intelligence

[@ericmueller6836]

@@jamesd5366 most people don't exhibit human-level intelligence

[@shinobi-no-bueno]

@Trey Stephens you just communicated via sophisticated electronic technology, translated your thoughts into language and then text.....lemme see a parrot do that

[@professorm4171]

Ravens have the intelligence of a 3-year-old human. Ravens still look like theropod rather than humanoid.

[@professorm4171]

@meow purr nope. Look at dolphins and whales also. The humanoid form is good for running and throwing spears at the same time.

[@blkgardner]

@meow purr Why is the humanoid form optimal? And even if it was, it does not follow that every intelligent species would re-evolve into the same form. Any tool-using species would need a dexterous free limb not used for locomotion, but this does not necessarily need to be arm, it could be a trunk or prehensile tail.

[@professorm4171]

@meow purr My Raven example stands. They use tools too.

[@WobblesandBean]

Not to mention palm cockatoos, who are known to not only use tools, but create music. They drum in order to attract mates.

[@WobblesandBean]

@meow purr Lol nope. To claim as such is pure arrogance. Humans are quite poorly put together, at the end of the day. Opposable thumbs and large brains are not dependent on having a humanoid form. Just look at parrots. Or octopodes! They don't even have hands or skulls, but you'd have a hard time arguing that they're not very smart and very, very good at manipulating objects.

[@ManuelHernandez-hg3ez]

When I was in kindergarten I remember going to our school library to watch slides with the class. In a book about dinosaurs there was at the very end a reptile that was humanoid. I'll never forget it.

[@HepCatJack]

They sort of look like the Roswell grays.

[@thenerdbeast7375]

Even as a kid I thought Dinosauroid was silly, what evolutionary pressures would force a dinosaur to adopt a humanoid body shape and become vivaparous? Also given how intelligent these supposed dinosaurs were supposed to be, couldn't they have adapted in ways that didn't involve such drastic physical changes?

[@ferociousrazordino3581]

@Jason O'Connor t rex wasn't likely as smart as a chimp. But ut was smart for a reptile

[@ExtremeMadnessX]

They still would have theropod like bodies, I don't know why people insist that they would somehow become humanoid. Lack of imagination...

[@ferociousrazordino3581]

@@ExtremeMadnessX they think that human body is the optimal organism which isnt even remotely true at all.

[@ExtremeMadnessX]

@@ferociousrazordino3581 Theropod bodies are better for bipedal life style than humanoid bodies. Less pressure on spine and feets and still would have free hands.

[@ferociousrazordino3581]

@towels towels except having a high intelligence doesn't mean theropods would fill the same niche as we do.

[@matthewdavies2057]

He made them look like the Sleestak from a TV series of the time.

[@helloiamchuck]

The Sleestak were from the original "Land of the Lost", which I remember watching as a child in the mid-1970s. The backstory was that they were a degenerate species descended from another, earlier species called the Altrusians, who had also created the pocket universe that the series was set in. Although very much a children's show and further constrained by a limited budget, "Land of the Lost" also had some surprisingly intriguing ideas, probably because they brought in a number of science fiction authors of the time to write episodes.

[@9-volt999]

Thank you some one else remembers land of lost!

[@thoughtfuldevil6069]

Don't forget the remake series of the 90's. Which was the one I grew up with.

[@David.C.Velasquez]

@@9-volt999 Saturdays mornings in the 70's were so exciting and scary with this show. The concepts were mind blowing for my 5-6 year old mind... and I loved Holly.

[@9-volt999]

@@David.C.Velasquez no offense but I'm not that old I use too watch it on DVDs I got from my grandfather I use to own every season like 10 years later only like 3 DVDs Are left and only 1 works I think

[@dont-hurt-me2519]

I remember seeing aliens in the first Lilo & Stitch movie that looked like a cross between Dinosaurs & Stormtroopers; possible inspiration from the Dinosauroid?

[@myrongaines5542]

They would not likely to evolve with the shape of a human. Our evolution was due in part of our mammal ancestors climbing trees to eat fruit and to hide from predators

[@PersonOfRandomnesss]

You know, not once in my many times looking at that specific Dinosauroid have I actually seeked it out. I just happen to stumble across it (and have nightmares about it). My first experience parallels almost perfectly - found it randomly in a dino book and have been stalked by it ever since. The only thing I remember is that it had an Edmontonia on the same page as it. A whole video on this... cursed... thing. I love it.

[@disrxt]

They would have been like, "Oh fuck, that big rock is going to kill us all."

[@chriswentz5197]

Imagine if they did a Superman move and sended the last dinosauroid into another planet tho

[@anticksss]

I watched dinosapien as a kid and I had completely lost hope of finding it again, so thank you for featuring it in this video!

[@robertthomas7418]

As fascinating as the topic itself is, I also appreciate the validation of knowing that I'm not the only one with childhood memories of being deeply unsettled by those creepy original "dinosauroid" depictions.

[@raiderxs1570]

Someone prolly already mentioned this but the Dr. WHO series has several Saurians as they call it and has a more scally appearance.

[@justinstuart8382]

Started in 73 with John Pertwee era

[@hyksos74]

The Silurians.

[@justinstuart8382]

@@hyksos74 yeah thats the one

[@thhseeking]

Madame Vastra :)

[@ellesontlabete2669]

@@thhseeking love vastra jenny and strax

[@igkslife]

"what would intelligent dinosauroids would look like?" Me stares at crow. -__-... The crow: hello!

[@rewer]

Or parrot

[@igkslife]

@@rewer or raven.

[@BlazRa]

Crows and ravens are way more intelligent than all other birds

[@igkslife]

@@BlazRa yep.

[@richardfrankenberg4268]

I discovered this in the 90s at my high school library. I was doing research for a science paper, and on the previous page was a picture of both the dinosaur and is evolved counterpart. Terrified? No. Disturbed? No. What this did was create an explosion in my head in regards to my fascination with the universe. Fire in the Sky, X-Files, Unsolved Mysteries.. They were my favorites in this time. Star Trek: Voyager also had an episode where they ran into these creatures. When running their DNA, they were puzzled by how it was pointing to earth origins.

[@T.J.R]

What if some did evolve and now we call them the Grays, the resemblance is uncanny... Large eyes, slit mouth, no ears or nose, thin built...

[@ragingjaguarknight86]

It is odd though that they seem intent on examining us and the whole "breeding" thing though is weird too. Like shouldn't our species be incompatible?

[@walmartian]

well the UFO lore goes that there are subterran reptilians who claim this dino heritage and that they are the true owners of this planet and they want the planet back and they have saucers, shape shifters, they are just one of the few alien factions involved in a dispute over earth, supposedly we both usa and ussr nuked them a few times and called it underwater/underground nuclear test but the story goes that we blasted the reptilian bases

[@tlshortyshorty5810]

@@walmartian interesting. Sauce?

[@Gachimon2000]

They did evolve Intelligence. Most of them became Politicians

[@enlightenedchipmunk2001]

I thought you said they evolved intelligence.

[@RUESPEED1]

@@enlightenedchipmunk2001 their intelligent enough to have folks vote for them and be controlled by them.

[@cooldolphiin]

@@RUESPEED1 👀🦎

[@dennisdanner4273]

What if humans evolved actual intelligence? Homo Sapiens: "wE aRe tHe ePiToMe oF eVoLuTiOn!" Also Homo Sapiens: "lIzArD pEoPlE aRe rEal! vAcCiNaTiOnS iNjeCt u wIfF mInDcOntRoL cHiPs!"

[@harmonymoxham1719]

comparing dinosaurs to politicians is plain rude to dinosaurs. At least dinos are cool

[@thekoolkrab3226]

Despite it being highly criticized, I can’t help but love the dinosauroid due to its influence in pop culture and just the design in general

I remember a story by Isaac Asimov where a man travelled back to the dinosaur ages to see what happened to them and found out that dinosaurs actually became extremely intelligent... but never lost their aggressive instincts and while they didn't need to hunt to survive they kept doing it driven by their ancestral urge to chase and kill anything that moves. By the end, the time traveller returned to present day realising that humans were in a similar path of self-destruction and feeling hopeless about it. The way Asimov described those advanced dinosaurs was very well done (for the time) and had a lot of biology and science behind, which was really nice to see. It was believable that such creatures existed. They weren't humanoids in any way tho, they kept their main dinosaur features and structure.

[@kingbugs3558]

Humans have the same problem. If we could keep our crap flinging and tree swinging ape instincts under control, society would be post scarcity already.

[@stefanmoszynski978]

Hey thanks for bringing this monstrosity back into my life! Will always remember it from the deck of Dinosaur Top Trumps boasting the highest intelligence stat within the game. Can always expect a very thorough, well researched video on this channel that explores my favourite big lizards

[@Bluestache]

With all due respect, we didn't really need this video we already know the answer to this question via the cinematic masterpiece: Super Mario Bros. (1993)

[@AdiaShardae]

This was the first thing that came to mind when seeing this video!

[@ProGremlinPlayer]

So true, king

[@skipperdogmanfilms]

The Sleestak from The Land of the Lost always come to mind. Although they come from an alternate dimension entierly and aren't actually descendants of dinosaurs, the inspiration from dinosauroids is definitely there.

[@patreekotime4578]

I always figured they were influenced by the Silurians from Dr Who.

[@dafien530]

This is also known as the Silurian hypothesis, and used as a story ark in many Doctor Who episodes. We honestly have no way to know if humans are the first intelligent life to form on this planet. There are more species that have gone extinct that we will NEVER know about than species currently alive today, We only know a fraction of earths biological history. For all we know a small tribe of Silurians (aka humanoid dinosaurs even non bird ones)had just recently achieved human level of intelligence when the Chicxulub asteroid landed right near them, as they lived near the ocean, there would NOTHING left of them as they would have been vaporized... Since it cannot be proven (no evidence) it is an interesting thought experiment and a great story ark for TV/movies

[@JeddieT]

This is a very well done and comprehensive chronology of the dinosapien hypothesis and I do appreciate it. That said, in the future I’d appreciate a more in-depth exploration and speculation into how an intelligent dinosaur would have evolved up to and including being on par with modern Homo Sapiens - or greater. More importantly, what factors would by necessity be some of those guiding principles. For instance, many - if not most - paleontologists would agree that ambulatory ability would be essential (as opposed to plants for instance) for intelligence to evolve. Bipedal locomotion, or some variant, that frees arm/hand movement along with an opposable hand digit for manipulating the environment. A rich source of protein for brain growth which would be concomitant with predatory hunting and meat eating, much like Homo Saipens needed meat to support brain development. Hence binocular vision and larger and larger craniums to support and enhance this function. Psychological and social factors would have to be considered insofar as how social cohesion and cooperation, along with hierarchical systems, that are present in most known forms of higher intelligence (e.g., dogs/wolves, whales, dolphins, crows, etc.), have led to the development of advanced reasoning and greater evolutionary success. Aside from these and possibly a few other considerations, our dinosapien could evolve and look in any number of ways that I feel would be fun to speculate about. If we really want to stretch our imaginations, we could consider how this has already happened on a (not so) distant star system.

[@patmacken5130]

I would like to see that as well.

[@0RealisticGames]

0:57 *The Dinosauroid is totally Mark Zuckerberg*

[@bri1085]

Always thought he was a lizard man

[@thhseeking]

Don't insult the Dinosauroid. MZ is a wax dummy. Came as a pair with Jared Kushner.

[@chromaticaberration1]

I remember the Sid and Marty Croft's Land Of The Lost had the Silstacks, who appeared to be dinasourouids

[@MeeZyStudioZ]

Rick and Morty Croft

[@MaconMedia]

Those things terrified me as a child.

[@johndesalvo4467]

@@MeeZyStudioZ no..it's SID! ..."RICK"...WTF??

[@dwaneanderson8039]

Came down here to mention this. It's spelled "Sleestak" and you can see pictures here. www.google.com/search?q=sleestak&safe=off&sxsrf=ALeKk0163434JUkol9SA2bOeiPhH1M0U9Q:1625402103174&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwid2ufXtsnxAhUU7J4KHQHUCucQ_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1280&bih=616

[@chromaticaberration1]

@@dwaneanderson8039 sorry I misspeled.

[@keithwolk]

Excellent and refreshing content. I stumbled across you and subscribed.

[@topher_69eze34]

Now I can see the inspiration that help make Dino Squad cartoon to what it is

[@twotone3471]

I remember the TV series "V" having such creatures as the antigonists.

[@RedStefan]

Aliens from another planet thou they resembled a humanoid reptile.

[@hubristicmystic]

Don't little green aliens already look like this thing?

[@ivanabah2237]

Too bad it got cancelled

[@ragingjaguarknight86]

@@ivanabah2237 I know, I wanted to see the hybrid of Lisa (laura vandervoort) and her human boyfriend but alas her sister ended up killing and eating him. v_v

[@paulburns1333]

Star Trek spin-off Enterprise had Earth fighting a planet where there were, I think, 5 sentient species including aquatics and insectoids. Nightmare.

[@syafiqjabar]

Turians from Mass Effect were probably partially inspired by dinosauroids, even being described as avian.

[@firebrand_fox]

Okay, I've played the whole series like 20 times and I don't remember this. I guess I'll just have to start over... 😅

[@phoebus86]

I actually really like Kosemen's dinosauroid depictions. The worldbuilding is just amazing.

[@quezbot3663]

That Star Trek Voyager episode is called "distant origin"

[@manospondylus4896]

A notable “Dinosauroid“ I would have mentioned should be the illustration Wayne Barlowe did for the Yilane from West of Eden, because it is actually the least goofy-looking and most dignified version I have ever seen so far

[@brent9504]

Yes, this is by far the best Dinosauroid illustration.

[@goldenager59]

With respect, I submit that you may actually be thinking of Mr. Barlowe's illustrations of the Mutata and Gairk, the dinosauroids from Stephen Leigh's 1992 novel Ray Bradbury Presents: Dinosaur World, that took Ray Bradbury's "A Sound of Thunder" and built upon it through five subsequent sequels. I have Mr. Harrison's original Eden paperback trilogy, and nowhere can I find Mr. Barlowe listed as a contributing illustrator. (Unless you're speaking of a reprinted edition, in which case I shall need to seek it out for myself.) 🦖 🙂

[@manospondylus4896]

@@goldenager59 It was an illustration for a tie-in story for West of Eden, not one of the main novels. Barlowe talks about it in his book The Alien Life of Wayne Barlowe

[@goldenager59]

@@manospondylus4896 A tie-in story? Interesting...You wouldn't happen to know the publishing circumstances, perchance? 😕 🙂

[@WobblesandBean]

I line their weird chubby baby legs 😂

[@CthulhuianBunny]

I just really hate the anthropocentrism of the Dinosauroid. Especially when we have dinosaurs living alongside us today, Eurasian magpies, that use tools, play, grieve, work in groups, and can pass the mirror self-recognition test, but _don't_ follow the simian body plan that these people find so "ideal" for intelligence.

[@Zimzilla99]

Considering how much humans have done despite our short time on earth it’s not exactly odd that we consider our body plan and our standard as ideal.

[@toyotawitha20mm35]

I totally agree with you, I think that its comical almost that people dont realise this.

[@ryaquaza3offical]

“Nooo you can’t be as intelligent as us without having a similar body plan after all we have the best bodies in the world” Other palaeontologists: “right then if that’s what you think” *slams a huge book of why this isn’t true on the table* Paleoartists: “fine I’ll redesign it myself” Doctors: “humans have the best bodies? haha genetic issues, disease susceptibility arthritis and cancer go brrrrrrrr”

[@Bitchslapper316]

Literally every animal design has those same issues.

[@ryaquaza3offical]

@@Bitchslapper316 not necessarily, humans seem to be a lot more prone to this conditions than other species given our body plan and lifestyles. Allergies, eye sight loss, asthma, neurological and psychological disorders, diabetes for example are ridiculously common compared to other species for example to the point there’s barely anyone that can say “I’m perfectly healthy and don’t have any issues” without them glossing over something that may show up at a later date, not mentioning the medication they are on or something they consider ‘minor’. Some animals are more prone to specific conditions than we are due to their limited genetics (ie boxer dogs and cancer and dalmations and deafness) but generally speaking animals that aren’t heavily bred don’t suffer with as much conditions from an early age than we do. Our immune system and allergies are up due to our sheltered lifestyle over hundreds of years to the point eating raw meat can be dangerous and everything else is because of natural selection being rather low given how nearly everyone produces offspring even if they carry detrimental genes that could show up later in life. The amount of infertility and miscarriages in a species is usually a sign of genetic weakness, this is why some dog breeds have lower fertility than others and some ball Python morphs such as ones relating to the spider gene often result in less viable eggs and some that die during development. In humans a miscarriage happens in 1 in 8 pregnancies, that’s a scarily high number compared. Safe to say we are fucked

[@Bitchslapper316]

@@ryaquaza3offical Yeah, everything you just wrote is pure speculation with no scientific data backing it up.

[@ryaquaza3offical]

@@Bitchslapper316 dude, I work as a resectionist in a doctor, studied biology and literally added figures and data from scientific studies for both humans and animals for comparison here. I guess everything you and your family experience to do with your biology (that runs in the family) just isn’t a thing then? Or I guess you see deers that experiences unexplainable pain and can’t see further than 10 feet by the age of 30 (or 14 in deer years) with the rest of the herd being exactly the same? Saying “I’m just making everything up” isn’t an argument and I know it’s not something people like to hear (especially since society and religion is the way it is) but it is true that we are biologically, genetically and physiologically flawed creatures that have weakened over hundreds of years of living in a relatively safe environment. It’s not something we could really fix (besides genetic alteration which is a huge can of worms) and it’s not something people talk or think about, preferring to write of things like back pain, diabetes or bad eyesight as unlucky and accept it as part of life since soo many people have the same issue but, I have to ask you this. Is it normal for an organism to be living like that when everything else suffers much less?

[@Bitchslapper316]

@@ryaquaza3offical No I'm saying cite some sources instead of saying "trust me bro". Maybe you are right, I don't know because I'm not an expert on the subject like you claim to be. However common sense tells me you will find more disease and defects when you medically study a population of billions of individuals that have long life spans then you will find with the few thousand deers that had medical exams throughout history. I have seen plenty of dogs with cataracts and kidney disorders. My first dog died from leukemia, one of my cats died from cancer and another a embolism. Those are just animals I owned. So I'll ask again, show me some scientific evidence like a published paper or a study that shows humans are more prone to disease then animals. My mind is open to it I just want some evidence and you haven't provided any.

[@Radi_vvanker]

This was a fantastic watch !

[@eringill6697]

That thing scared the pants off of me when I was a kid too!

[@DisasterLord]

Honestly I kinda laughed at how derpy it looked, it reminded me of a featherless chicken. Wich is oddly fitting, the one universe Plato got it right eat your heart out Diogenes

[@eringill6697]

@@DisasterLord Lol. It scared me because I was like 7 and the show that I was watching was like "It might be out there today."

[@Andreas_42]

Looks kind like the the "Swamp Thing" out of the film of the same name.

[@annedrieck7316]

Russell is creepy furry

[@grahamhunt69]

I’ve long been inclined to think that evolution inherently leads to human intelligence, but after listening more and more to content such as yours, now I think it’s a high probability that given enough time, evolution will lead to high intelligence (like octopuses) but not necessarily as human-like as we might wish to be the case

[@patreekotime4578]

Crocodiles and sharks would beg to differ. There's absolutely nothing about evolution that says that any level of intelligence is a gauranteed outcome given enough time.

[@WhatsUp-cb4kp]

I’d like to think that if another planet had many different types of habitats similar to Earth and experienced a Cambrian explosion type event eventually one species down the line would fill the niche to develop human like intelligence.

[@mikeyb4610]

Another great presentation Ben - your delivery, insightful commentary and attention to detail is without doubt the best on KZbin and warrants a series of its own on terrestrial & cable TV …Thank You … the concept of Dinosaurs evolution continuing up to the present day is both exiting and intriguing in fact we only have to look at Crocodiles (time on earth 200My), Snakes (time on earth 100My) and Frogs (time on earth200My) to see that their likely evolutionary path would have been very similar to the aforementioned families - that is to say they would be an integral part of the planets ecosystem having survived by specialising and thriving in a particular region/ environment but not necessarily have evolved ‘away’ from their original genetic construct- this only happens when dramatic or severe external influences such as changes in Habitat, Climate & Food Source come about. Man’s evolution came about from his adaptation to these mitigating factors plus circumstantial genetic flexibility which allowed him to change

[@maksimatic]

Ben, bro! This video is absolutely one of your best👌🏽

[@JB-gw8ee]

It's a Sleestak. Saturday mornings in the 70's were a trip.

[@ThereBeGoldInThemTharHills]

Do you belieeeeeeve in life afta love?!

[@turkeycannon161]

I remember an educational computer game I played in the 90's where you would take pictures of dinosaurs you saw while going on a safari with a time machine, and the head of the research center was a dinosauriod who spoke in glorious creepy mid-90's text to speech.

[@rolbar5723]

So we have to thank a meteor for our existence and dominance of this earth.

[@mariashelly6392]

This was fun to watch!

[@kragehund7454]

i love the term "our favorite scaly boy" and that's all i will be calling them from now on

[@annedrieck7316]

Furry

[@Discitus]

3:15 - YES! I had a nice dinosaur book as a kid, and there was a full-page colour photo of a dinosauroid model. I hated it. It scared me. Every time I looked at the book I'd make sure to skip that page.

[@FosukeLordOfError]

11:48 as an interesting said to this C.S. Lewis had a sci fi trilogy about life on mars and Venus. the life on Mars was alien and strange, but the life on Venus was just beginning and because of God's coming to earth as man in Jesus the new intelligent life there was humanoid. I found it an interesting mix of science fiction and religion that haven't seen many places else.

[@carbon1631]

Yes, highly underrated trilogy. Uniquely entertaining. Would certainly be a classic read in high school/university if not for the religious affiliation of the author.

[@jakestreiff-bishop5172]

This made me go down a rabbit hole trying to remember the VHS I wore out as a kid! I first saw the Dinosauroids in The Great Dinosaur Hunt, a documentary about the Canadian-Chinese expedition in the Gobi in 1987. While searching I found it apparently was the name of another VHS I wore out that I had taped from PBS.

[@jaipreetsingh6566]

Speculative zoology sure is interesting

[@Ninth_Penumbra]

If done right - ie: based on the real science.

[@jaipreetsingh6566]

@Leonardo Gurney mhm!🧐

[@teathesilkwing7616]

@@Ninth_Penumbra not always, sometimes it’s fun just to throw science out the door and go batshit crazy

[@FRMJD1996]

Another concept/example is the Silurians from Dr. Who, kind of. They aren’t Dinosauroids exactly, based on their backgrounds in the show, but they do fit into this sort of niche.

[@kevinlee7678]

Another being the Reptites of Chrono Trigger.

[@patreekotime4578]

I feel like Silurians are actually one of the first popularized dinosauroids (appearing in 1970) and the researchers were probably all influenced by them. The fact that so many dinosauroid models appear in British museums seems to support that.

[@JM-ii2yk]

Much respect for your etiquette

[@Born_Again_On_The_Mountain]

Great video and topic. You got a sub after you said ST Voyager was one of your favorite shows.🤓

[@velocithea3678]

Funny thing, I was just starting on a worldbuilding project with intelligent troodontids, and their culture, all staring on a series of islands, which I plan to expand on.

[@blkgardner]

Due to dinosaur anatomy, intelligent troodontids might be the size of a tyrannosaur. Humans are actually fairly large animals, and have been a alpha predator since at least 2 million years ago. Troodontids would start in an even higher position, being a pack predator. If you have troodontids surviving the K-T extinction, they might very well evolve into allosaur to tyrannosaur sized predators, as has happened before several times in the theropod lineage.

[@theluftwaffle1]

@@blkgardner I wouldn’t call the pre-human species alpha predators, specially those of around 2 million years ago. The closest would be homo erectus which hunted large herbivores as their main source of pray.

[@lauriedurk]

20 mins? We’re in for a treat. Oh, I’ve seen the Dorchester Dinosauroid before. It was so unsettling when I was younger.

[@approachingetterath9959]

the reasoning for the upright stance being "head/front too heavy" just made me think that if that's the case it would make more sense to develop stronger neck muscles and a longer tail for balance, and perhaps larger or more splayed feet. also birds, while not completly upright, show that their legs work fine, and penguin legs work for an upright stance.

[@jameswylie445]

That humanoid is shockingly accurate

[@mactrololo7326]

1:08 My man looks like he’s about to turn into Shrykull and blow up RuptureFarms

[@damndirtyape6251]

16:37 my man got the drip

[@teucer915]

"What would a modern... intelligent dinosaur look like?" I call it a crow

[@fistpunder]

What a fun video! Thank you!

[@silver_phoenix_rising2553]

I remember that Voyager episode! It was my favorite episode of the series :) I also remember when I first seen the Dinosauroid model. It was freaky looking, but it didn't give me nightmares. It did inspire the younger me to ponder about what such a species would be like. What their culture would be like. Their tools, adornments, weapons, buildings, etc. I, too, imagined them domesticating the Hadrosaurs and Ceratopians. Hell, I even thought two different 'races' based on one coming from Trodons and the other coming from Raptors. It was a fun thing to think about as a kid :)

[@Sybil_Detard]

Original Land of the Lost: the Sleestack and Enoch

[@digisalamander2726]

The dinosaurnoid looks like it would work a 5-7 hour job in retail, maybe as a cashier or janitor “ most likely a janitor “ who every time it sees when people doing some stupid in the store, it will quietly judge people, in the break room it will be a pretty chill person who everyone at the work place gets along with

[@padawanmage71]

“West of Eden” by Harry Harrison is the first book in a trilogy where the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs never hit and dinosaurs evolved into intelligent beings with an organic technology.

[@kewsapp8480]

You mean West of Eden?

[@Mael_Str0M]

The Yuuzhan Vong?

[@padawanmage71]

@@kewsapp8480 yes, sorry about that 👍🏼

[@jacksonjguyguadagnino5792]

Never thought I'd ever hear Ultraman mentioned on Ben G Thomas! What a treat! I remember that episode of Tiga from when I was a kid. The cyborgs were called Weaponizers and the alien race were called the Naga.

[@MFCunnilingus]

NGL, I was having a really crappy few days, losing touch with myself. But these videos always “bring me back to earth.” Thank you, Ben. You legend.

[@herrikudo]

Been there mate. Hang tough. I like delving into philosophy when im feeling that way. Dr. Rupert Sheldrake is a great source if you need one

[@leonie7754]

Hey I'm so glad you mentioned the one in the Dorset dinosaur museum! That was the first time I saw this as a kid and I thought it was really cool and a tad creepy (but I've always liked creepy things). As for other such intelligent designs, I think the Ixal race from FFXIV are what I think of. Bird like, but with some dinosaurian features.

[@ethanjones6139]

I remember coming across the image of the Dinosauroid in a book at my local library when I was about 10 years old. Given I had an issue with nightmares about gray aliens, seeing this thing totally didn't help my fear lol.

[@paulmahon1613]

Marshall, Will and Holly already encountered these creatures in the land of the lost.

[@andrewdarby2729]

God damnit choco!

[@nemilyk]

Love your breakdowns on the dinosauroid. It's been helping a great deal on my own writing project with alternate and evolved post KT dinosaurs and thinking 'outside the box'. (Also, I loved that Cronkite series when I was a kid when it came out.)

[@brandenbran]

Finally something good to think about while I fall asleep stoned out of my mind

[@rishadq]

Great, I enjoyed it!

[@averyplaysthegame]

The Silurians from Doctor Who are probably the most popular example of humanoid dinosaurs that you missed. They appeared in the classic series and reappeared in the modern series, with both appearances featuring a different species of Silurians.

[@martinharris5017]

"Dinosauroids" are actually called "Silurians" and the Dr. Who story predated the official theory I seem to recall.

[@averyplaysthegame]

@martinharris5017 I know what they're called. That's how I both started and ended my statement. But, yeah, Silurians first appeared in 1970, while the Dinosauroid first came to be in 1982. But, the Silurians of classic Dr. Who are very different from the modern ones, as they're two separate species, with the modern group looking closer to the Dinosauroid than the originals. As a popular, more mainstream example of dinosaurs evolving to more intelligent and humanoid species, I thought they could have been covered here, as both species respectively represent the idea of hyper evolved dinosaurs before the Dinosauroid and after the Dinosauroid. Something to show how it changed how we looked at the concept.

[@martinharris5017]

@@averyplaysthegame Thanks. Not so much interested in Dr. Who lore as I am in the origins of the Silurian Hypothesis. With the Doctor Who version being so early, it appears to be intrinsic to the topic. The authors of the academic paper on the subject give a nod to the Dr. Who story in their footnotes: "We name the hypothesis after a 1970 episode of the British science fiction TV series Doctor Who where a long-buried race of intelligent reptiles ‘Silurians’ are awakened by an experimental nuclear reactor. We are not however suggesting that intelligent reptiles actually existed in the Silurian age, nor that experimental nuclear physics is liable to wake them from hibernation. Other authors have dealt with this possibility in various incarnations (for instance, Hogan, 1977), but it is a rarer theme than we initially assumed."

[@georgneuber2503]

Thank you for these videos. They carry me through this pandemic

[@DarthBiomech]

Russell: "dinosaur would need to shift to upright posture to help with balancing its oversized head." T-rex: "Oh, do we now?"

[@Liev04]

Love the video thanks