What if I leave Ascended Astarion and go with Karlach to Avernus - Free Cam | Baldur's Gate 3

[@Nakumiya]

These free cam videos hit differently 😍 Poor guy is missing Tav and trying to pretend he isn't staring out the window all day hoping this is the day she comes back.

[@iamkittybg3]

@@Nakumiya I want to hug him so much at this moment, he really misses Tav so much. 😭❤️

[@Nakumiya]

@@iamkittybg3 ugh can you imagine his reaction if Tav just runs into his arms, and goes "stop pretending, I missed you too!" 😭 He'd probably try to play it down but inside he'd be glowing.

[@iamkittybg3]

@@Nakumiya I imagine his happiness would have no limits.🥰 It's a pity that this option is not in the game 😭

[@Nakumiya]

@@iamkittybg3 poor man would not know what hit him if I were Tav and returning from hell and seeing him again for the first time after 6 months. 🤣🤣🤣

[@raelaurenmccoy803]

@@Nakumiya I'd beeline straight to him and have every bit the same energy Dame Aylin had when she's reunited with Isabel. When she tells you to get lost because they need to make up for lost time. We're going down to the river... Maybe we'll be back. Maybe not. Meanwhile Withers: Thy wheel of fate turns ever to the DARK! 😂

[@TeamLexana]

I imagine he's spent his time fancying up the palace for wifey, going into a rage because his consort still ain't home and destroys the joint... then goes back to decorating, lol. Palace needs to be in tip top shape when his treasure returns after all. Lolol.

[@iamkittybg3]

@@TeamLexana ahaha and also he chooses the curtains and looks out the window dreamily, looking for Tav returning home. 😅❤️

[@TeamLexana]

@@iamkittybg3 Totally, lolol. 😂 😂 👍

[@littlelady79KK]

He tried very hard to not say i miss sou please come back 😭🤣

[@iamkittybg3]

I'm sad that the game doesn't have an option to answer him something like: "Sorry, love, I didn't know that if I go with Karlach, the game will end like this and won't give us a dialogue where I can take you with us!" and another option: "It was cool with Karlach, of course, but take me back to the palace right now, I want to be only with you!" 😭😅

[@littlelady79KK]

@@iamkittybg3 yeah i want back to my lord 🤧

[@karumina]

​​​​​​@@iamkittybg3 agree, I mean tav is literally written to be at least a bit offended by AA's attitude. There should be options for people who can navigate his personality successfully without bashing heads with him and sound too obedient. In the sense that he thinks he has control, but so do you. I personally don't really like to appeal to anyone's morals in this game and don't like it when characters judge my decisions, and with Astarion I just vibe along, I don't take any sides or steer him in aby particular direction. Yet you still have to take a side in some conversations. Like, do you want to be good or evil? I say neither. Though sentencing 7 thousand souls to hell after witnessing house of Hope can feel difficult

[@PatriciaAncunínBaldursGate3]

I'm glad Larian cleared up any doubts that AA was supposedly a monster obsessed with his partner and wanted to control him at all costs. So much love in these dialogues.

[@iamkittybg3]

I agree. ❤️ All I see in this dialogue is that Astarion misses Tav very much and is waiting for her at home, gluing wallpaper in the palace (parties, yeah, sure. He was gluing wallpaper and hanging curtains so that Tav would like it😆).

[@ary3901]

gluing wallpaper in the palace 😭😭😭 "this one has bats on it, they'll love it it"

[@iamkittybg3]

@@ary3901 or "oh, the red color with this pattern will definitely please my love bhaal spawn" 😆

[@Rooselka]

Sure but hes still toxic and evil❤

[@iamkittybg3]

@@Rooselka well maybe only with your Tav 😏 treat him better and he'll be a cinnamon bun

[@mysryuza]

Dude I’d still come back to Astarion even when he’s a Spawn

[@iamkittybg3]

@@mysryuza I agree, Tav made a rash decision😏 she 100% wants to go back to Astarion, but she doesn't know how to say it because the developers didn't give her that opportunity 😭

[@himalayansalt32]

I'm a spawn enjoyer, but Gods giving me a chance to AA girlies and protecting their kinks and preferences from idiots opened a new world and perspective for me Thank you , AA girlies, love you all

[@iamkittybg3]

@@himalayansalt32 And we love you! Thank you for being here.❤️❤️❤️

[@wolflithay6380]

This ❤️

[@pencilstreak9]

the amount of people not seeing the very blatant manipulation in his words is making me highly nervous for some of y'all lol

[@iamkittybg3]

Of course he manipulates to bring his love back home to the palace. I don't see anything bad by the way, he is clearly sad without her. Well, at least this dialogue shows that he does not control her

[@WitchStrength]

I completely agree with you! I understand it’s fun to roleplay and get into the fiction of a character but there are a lot of people (on the younger side of romance) that don’t really understand how toxic manipulation like this can be and frame their relationships around interactions like this I understand AA is being more loving and gentle here which is fine, but one well meaning dialogue in a slew of very toxic ones makes it hard to argue that’s he means well at all

[@iamkittybg3]

@@WitchStrength did you let him ascend yourself? In all these cases, Tav is the first to be toxic to him and he responds in kind. If you answer him with normal answers, then he is not toxic and you can play love with him, not just the role of a victim. It's a pity that people only label him based on bad answers and ignore the good ones. And this is roleplay. So labeling a companion's romance is generally strange, everyone has different roleplays. I want to add that there are also a lot of cute dialogues with the ascended Astarion, maybe you just saw only bad answers with him on YT. I have a video on how to roleplay love with him. Watch it, there is 0% toxicity and everything that haters love to attribute to him Role-Playing Love /w Ascended Astarion - My Dialogue Choices | Baldur's Gate 3 kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHjSpX6YlrOoldU

[@WitchStrength]

@@iamkittybg3 again I think it’s good to play with fictional roles however the argument of “who’s being toxic first” is pretty immature and doesn’t help the argument in that the entire relationship is bad for both people All I’m saying is that it’s fun to play with a character who occasionally is being terrible but to play it off like it’s romantic (especially since your saying Tav/Durge is the first offender and thus AA’s behavior is ok is pretty bad to begin with) is showing really bad and potentially harmful relationship dynamics for people who can’t determine that this is fictional Hence 🚩

[@Xohaze]

gods he's simping so hard for Tav here mans is whipped and I love that for him ngl

[@iamkittybg3]

He’s waiting her at home 🥹❤️

[@txbiaz]

perspective is so interesting because as someone who prefers spawn astarion (i dont even romance him anyways), this interaction came off kind of manipulative and threatening. im not yucking anyones yum, feel free to headcanon or believe that AA is a pookie bear!! but its genuinely fascinating how some see one thing and others see the complete opposite

[@noatiendoboludos]

Its interesting because you can immediately tell the kind of women who'd get tangled up in an abusive relationship and delude themselves into thinking their partner "doesnt actually mean what they say/do" Edit: since this channel owner has shadow-banned me I wanna add the hilarity of the comments below me immediately changing their way of thinking and AGREEING he is toxic, an evil bastard and a monster obsessed with his partner. Honestly hilarious how easy to manipulate you are, but what did you expect from people who see this guy and think "actually he missed her so much uwu!!!"

[@txbiaz]

@@noatiendoboludos i mean in some instances that could be true, but i feel like a big reason astarion is so popular is because he ISNT real and its safe to indulge in those more "depraved" relationships through fiction. i know a lot of people who love AA but would spit on a man irl if he tried talking to them the way AA did lol

[@iamkittybg3]

it all depends on the roleplay. If you were in a romance with the ascended Astarion, then you know that you can also roleplay love with him, and if Tav is toxic with him, then he will respond in kind. In this dialogue, Tav left with Karlach half a year ago and did not tell Astarion about it. Of course, he was stunned by this and he wants to contain and not show his longing for her, tries to pretend that everything is fine with him and amusingly manipulates her to come home. By the way, I do not see anything bad in this. They are connected in the end.

[@KuroPhina]

@@noatiendoboludos Many AA fans know how to separate fiction from reality. Just because we may enjoy a fictional romance doesn't mean we will seek it out in the real world.

[@mrbusinesss1]

@@KuroPhina Eh, it’s understandable if you want to explore that in fiction and that you can separate it from reality, but I’ve seen a lot of AA fans deny altogether that he’s toxic and repeating the cycle of Cazador, Vellioth and the vampire masters before them. You can like AA Astarion and the evil/toxic aspects of his personality and relationship, it just feels icky when people try to deny altogether what the writers intended in all the dialogues and pieces in the game

[@KuroPhina]

I recently got this dialogue myself then rolled back the save since I prefer finishing the game with my character by his side. I also spoke to Withers to finish up the party whilst he was in bat-form so that I had this cute lil bat holding his wine glass. I highly recommend talking to Withers as soon as he transforms into a bat to finish up the party for the cuteness. xD

[@iamkittybg3]

@@KuroPhina Oh, I didn't know that! 😆 I'll definitely try to do that! Thanks. ❤️❤️❤️

[@KuroPhina]

@@iamkittybg3 It is absolutely worth it. Unfortunately I can't post photos in KZbin comments but I have a really cute photo of Batstarion holding a glass of wine xD

[@ladyvesperia7594]

Thank you. ❤❤❤That is all. 😊

[@iamkittybg3]

@@ladyvesperia7594 thank you for watching ❤️🥰

[@JasmineTea127]

I can see how he’s a natural leader in the end, despite being a slave for 200 years. He can keep calm and he’s a reasonable listener. If he goes off to lead the rest of the vampire spawn in the end, he cares to make sure they don’t do stuff like kill gnomes 😂

[@iamkittybg3]

@@JasmineTea127 but this is ascended Astarion and there are no vampire spawn left there (except Tav).😅

[@JasmineTea127]

@@iamkittybg3 I’m so confused how my comment landed here. I comment on a different video of spawn astarion and gale. 💀

[@iamkittybg3]

@@JasmineTea127 haha YT as always 😂😅

[@ojyochan]

Tbh i think he just has no filter. That's why we love AA. "Non-toxic" people may think the same way but keep it to themselves😅

[@britt6184]

Honestly, that's one of the things I like most about the ascendent route. As sweet as Astarion is if he remains a spawn, a big part of me wonders how much of him is still pretending. Like his dream just got squished mere hours ago and we're supposed to believe he's totally fine with it after the graveyard scene? Evil as Lord Astarion is, at least he has the confidence to he his true self and his lover can either take him or leave him(it's obvious he wants them by his side forever but he won't force them).

[@raelaurenmccoy803]

@@britt6184 I definitely agree with you there. Especially since we know that he's not masking after he Ascends. He makes it very clear that he wants you by his side. Without the theatrical flair. Just simple and plain. I have everything except YOU by my side. I just went through Ascension again and I hate that so many dialogue options are to be argumentative with him. As well as those who help him Ascend, willingly bend the knee (accepting his dominant role in your relationship and also you are trusting him with your submission) you do all of this before he turns you to suddenly become judgemental and steeped in toxic feminist energy about being his Spawn when he specifically tells you that he gave you his blood and that you will feed off of him. Also, not taking into account that the bond goes both ways. He's willingly bound himself to you too. (Sorry I went on a tangent) But, some people act like they need the little bouncy ball with the closed captions in bold text. 😩 Glad I found the table in the fandom that has comprehension skills.

[@empressofdestiny]

I can never bring myself to leave him ❤️ (sorry Karlach, spawn or ascended I’m staying with him) I wish Ascended Astarion didn't have the slightest bit of insincerity in his tone when he says “I’m not some controlling monster” I don't see him as a controlling monster but Larian seems to want me to see him that way, it's very strange. Good character development happens over time not from just one choice (the choice to complete the ascension or not) it's strange how different he seems in the ascended route. Astarion and Gale are the only two characters who I know to take a complete 180-degree turn from who I knew them to be and it feels strange, it's hard to roleplay with that too, choosing their “bad/evil route” when I know they are going to be completely different from their act 1 & 2 selves. 😕

[@iamkittybg3]

@@empressofdestiny I agree, in the third act the writing of the characters feels completely different and is very different from the first and second acts

[@empressofdestiny]

@@iamkittybg3 I feel like they rushed the 3rd act, I think they had a different direction for the story in the 3rd act and then changed it to meet the release date. I feel they cut a lot of content, an explorable Upper City for one. I always thought it was strange to enter Cazador’s Palace from the servant's entrance in the lower city.

[@Dhamphiric_Dragon]

Ngl I could totally see my Durge pulling him close and whispering “I missed you too babe~” after figuring out that’s what Astarion is indirectly saying 😂 my rogue had proficiency and expertise in insight so I imaging he’s especially attuned to reading Astarion like an open book

[@iamkittybg3]

@@Dhamphiric_Dragon I have exactly the same vibe 😁❤️ My Tav is also Durge and a rogue, so I imagine the same thing 🥰❤️

[@Dhamphiric_Dragon]

@@iamkittybg3 I love that!!! You would think after spending an entire adventure together your character would become adept at reading their love interest, ya know? Like I feel like in act three you should have advantage on any insight checks you make to read your partner

[@MadSnusmumrik]

hah.. well, another reason for me to keep him a spawn. i didn't go with Karlach though, i sent Will with her. but this.. nope, thanks, we'll find another way for him to walk under the sun.

[@iamkittybg3]

By the way, I do not know what will happen to spawn here if you also leave with Karlach. Tell me later if you do that. 😌

[@MadSnusmumrik]

@@iamkittybg3 please remind me in 2 days, if I forget to answer. I checked it being in romance with Astarion and Halsin. I could hug Halsin and he said that maybe I could visit him some day. With Astarion it was like I wasn't in romance, I suppose. He just said he was used to shadows and so on. But for pure experiment I think I should break up with Halsin first and then go with Karlach and then check on Astarion in epilogue.

[@britt6184]

Yeah, I could never do this myself. Astarion seems so much happier in both routes with a lover by his side. He sounds like he's trying so hard to convince himself that he's fine without his consort in the beginning of the conversation. I also don't think he can control them at all either so all he can do is hope they return of their own volition someday.

[@iamkittybg3]

He is definitely happier when Tav is by his side. I also think he is just trying to convince himself that he is fine and throwing parties (but in reality I think he is exaggerating to show that he is fine in front of Tav). 😅 I think he just missed Tav while he was in his palace and waiting for her to come home. In any case, he admits how much he misses her. 🥹The main thing is that he can't control her and make her come back, which only further proves the bride/groom theory, where the vampire really can't control them.😏

[@britt6184]

@@iamkittybg3 I agree completely. I also think that even if he was able to control Tav, he wouldn't want to based on his own experiences as a spawn.

[@Usergh5374]

He's so wonderful! How could she even think of leaving him and his castle?

[@iamkittybg3]

@@Usergh5374 She was persuaded by Karlach. I assure you, she is terribly sorry and wants to return to him 😭😅❤️

[@antagonistlover]

Hurray! My fav dialogue 🥰😈

[@iamkittybg3]

I finally did it 😅❤️

[@raelaurenmccoy803]

**My Tav looking out of her palace window at the dawning sun wrapped up in the finest satin sheet body sore from battle and the Hedonistic night promised, while Astarion lazily watches from their bed with his arms propped behind his head tracking her with his eyes... Her: I wonder what I could have done to help her and Wyll...😮‍💨🤔 Him: 🙄...and it shall remain a wonder, Darling. You are Mine. 😒 Karlach has Wyll. (Scoffing) You have done enough "saving" and " helping". Now, come back to bed my love. For the next decade, that window is as about as far as I want you to stray from me and the only attire I'll allow on that perfect body are those sheets...and myself... of course. 😈😏

[@iamkittybg3]

@@raelaurenmccoy803 roughly the same scenario with my Tav. 🥹❤️ So, everything you just saw in this video is not canon for my Tav, she is not leaving Astarion 😭😅

[@iamkittybg3]

@@raelaurenmccoy803 I just needed to show that he's not a controlling monster.😭❤️

[@raelaurenmccoy803]

​@@iamkittybg3 Same! My Tav isn't going anywhere. She's going to stay in the palace as his pampered Queen. Her throne is his lap. 😂

[@iamkittybg3]

@@raelaurenmccoy803 perfect 👌😁❤️

[@raelaurenmccoy803]

I also saw a fan art image of him with just his face between Tav's thighs... The eye 👀 contact was just...🤌🏽🔥😈

[@Lazy_flower_as-alwasy]

Literally why is everyone saying AA is mean like he is literally waiting for us to return and he misses you this conversation is filled with love❤

[@iamkittybg3]

@@Lazy_flower_as-alwasy That's right! He misses Tav so much and it's so obvious! He just doesn't know what else to say to get her to come home to the palace. 🥹❤️

[@Callidus7SSM]

I know this is only for scientific purposes, but how could you leave him all alone? 😭 Poor Astarion, trying not to let it show just how badly he missed you. Even as an all-powerful vampire lord, he’s still so supportive.

[@iamkittybg3]

@@Callidus7SSM I would never have left him if I hadn't been asked to film this dialogue. 😭😅 Honestly, I definitely miss the "I've helped Karlach enough, take me home to the palace" option here, followed by a hug with tears 😭

[@MissKashira]

He could always join Tav in the hells. It's not like the dude can't fight. Put that +10 necro damage to use. He's just sitting around hosting parties. Plus, they are really close to fixing the engine, the sooner they get it fixed, the sooner everyone can go to the parties.

[@MissKashira]

@@iamkittybg3 This would be extremely cruel given she went back on the grounds that you agreed to come with her. It makes more sense for him to come with Tav and Karlach, than for Tav to abandon Karlach after talking her out of dying.

[@iamkittybg3]

@@MissKashira Karlach is a big girl now, and she still has Wyll in Hell. Tav's job was to convince her not to die. 😁

[@MissKashira]

@@iamkittybg3 I just got to the part where Karlach says, "If Shadowheart needs a rest, we carry her." I could never leave a friend like that hanging. Astarion's lips are eternal.

[@mo44majere95]

Holy hell, he's trying so hard to become everything Cazador told him he is not :'). And the way he is trying to keep control of the situation here to not feel powerless... damn

[@roguetaco5487]

Ive been curious about AA myself currently working through my second playthrough. My first play i unfortunately didnt understand all the necessary checks (for good/neutral) to get Astarion affinity high enough to romance. Seond play through ive figured it out and already romanced before the end of act 1 😊. Now im just deciding to go AA or spawn route. I feel like woth some of the cut scenes for AA someone at Larian must have read alot of Alpha/Dom vampire romance books but missed the nuance and made AA seem like a jerk instead of a more complex character.

[@KuroPhina]

You can create a save just before the ritual scenes so you can try out both. Also if you check out Kittys recent video about RP with Ascended Astarion you'll see he's really not a jerk at all.

[@raelaurenmccoy803]

@@roguetaco5487 Yeah, the Kiss Fiasco, I call it. My character's face twisted in fear for something she willingly consented to. 😩 Then, they change it and even though it's improved there were alternatives that would have worked (as shown in mods) that can convey the affection he has for his Consort without him looking like a prick to who is now his spouse. This uproar was due to a lone writer spinning a narrative and the "SpawnOnlyFans" that are condescending and judgemental if you chose ascension, being upset because Ascended Astarion has more content and dialogue. I say, give it a try at least once but while you're playing pay attention to his normal tone of voice when he's not flirting or being flamboyant and snarky. When he speaks in his past and his trauma. It's the same tone he speaks in after he Ascends. No frills. Does he say some stereotypical "villain" things at times? Yes, but this is his Evil route and not the Bad ending like so many others like to believe it is. Just like Shadow Heart becoming a Justiciar and Gale choosing the crown are theirs. But (gasp) God forbid we let Astarion Ascend! This comes from people who raid the Grove to get Minthara instead of just knocking her out to get the sex scene with her at the goblin party...but I digress...

[@mrbusinesss1]

@@KuroPhinaI genuinely can’t place how you can look at all the AA dialogue and not determine he’s a jerk. He’s a complex, very interesting and well written jerk, but a jerk nonetheless. It’s not even in subtext, it’s in the text right in front of your face 😭

[@KuroPhina]

@@mrbusinesss1 Can you give me some examples of him being a jerk in the text that don't require you being a jerk first?

[@wolflithay6380]

Cant wait to get to ascend him in patch 7 HEHE 🤭

[@iamkittybg3]

@@wolflithay6380 oh, an evil couple? hehe 🥰❤️

[@Synthia17]

Wait, was this after patch 7? I finished my honour mode before it and thought I'll make Karlach the flayer to see a different outcome, but I messed up the dialogue and didn't get the chance then felt bad since Wyll became a duke and went with her to Avernus as a friend to not see her die. At the party Astarion (spawn) acted like we never had a relationship.

[@iamkittybg3]

This is ascended Astarion, I don't know if spawn Astarion has similar dialogue or not 😌

[@Synthia17]

@@iamkittybg3 was this recorded post patch 7? I imagine he should acknowledge a relationship exists the same way AA does here.

[@iamkittybg3]

@@Synthia17 yes, it was recorded after patch 7 😌

[@karumina]

Heyyy what mod do you need for free cam? Been digging around but couldn't find anything

[@iamkittybg3]

@@karumina oh, it’s photomod by otis 😌

[@karumina]

@@iamkittybg3 thanks!

[@yukikomori3483]

So know i feel bad. Like my Frind who writes stroys made me a astarion FanFicon and the wohl plot is that he doesn't accend for hes own good.... Worst I CAN'T MAKE HER TO REWRITE BECAUSE IT'S ALMOST FINSHD. I just gonna try to forget this whole viedo

[@Dhamphiric_Dragon]

Awe, you could probably request your friend write a new fic for you?

[@MaryJay1988]

Такое чувство, что только дети или морально незрелые люди не любят Лорда🤔 взрослый человек поймет всю мощь и зрелость Вознесенного Вампира.

[@iamkittybg3]

Не любить Лорда - это нормально, но быть хейтером и выносить мозг людям, которые его любят - это уже перебор (такие люди меня конкретно достали) 😅

[@MaryJay1988]

I simply ADORE Lord Astarion 🦇💜🦇💜🦇💜🦇💜🦇 only adults will understand😉 spawn Astarion is for kids.

[@iamkittybg3]

hahaha I love Spawn Astarion as much as Lord Astarion but I'm not a kid 😅❤️ It just all depends on preferences.🥰❤️

[@Ms.BimbaBob]

OMG.....bring the bucket, i'm dripping🌚

[@dollmeat]

Am I the only one who thinks he's really manipulative in the beginning ?The "I let you do things because I wanted you to see the world, make mistakes, etc before you'll return to me" "look, if I were that possessive, you wouldn't be able to leave in the first place". Usually, AA doesn't really give me the impression he manipulates Tav/Durge (except for specific lines) but here, this feels a bit cringe. 😬

[@Mithcoriel]

I think so too.

[@Floweramon]

Absolutely

[@iamkittybg3]

Of course he manipulates to bring his love back home to the palace. I don't see anything bad by the way, he is clearly sad without her. Well, at least this dialogue shows that he does not control her

[@WitchStrength]

Absolutely on your side with this!

[@LouisMope]

@@Plaid_pants_panterhuh? Not sure how this is abuse you know nothing dnd vamp lore 😂 please educate yourself and stop being such a victim its a video game