What if Italy had not betrayed The Central Powers in WWI - Hoi4 Timelapse

[@Mo_Mudabber]

Instead of Italy betraying the central power Italy Betrayed Itself 😭

[@kettle_boyle2847]

italy has to betray someone for it to work

[@Caterev0038cool]

true

[@MeMeDesimo1871]

Italy should not have entered the war.

[@nick5699]

Poor little pizza

[@gigiluigi6359]

Italy didn’t betray anyone ignorant !

[@CaReclaimationGovernment]

Italy being Italy, along with Austria-Hungary, but...the Ottomans?

[@wanali4504]

They did something smart, for once in the 20th century

[@williamthebonquerer9181]

I often see people suggest Italy immediately joining the central powers would secure the schieflenn plans success but it took Italy over a month to mobilise and send just 200,000 troops to the border in our timeline. Given how terrible they performed I don't see them pinning down much French divisions.

[@randomdudeoti]

Well it isn’t just pinning down French divisions. It is also relieving numerous Austrian divisions. Plus the extra navy would help the central powers dominate the Mediterranean

[@Крэйден_х]

Central Power lost a year trying to beat Italy and Romania. If Germany attack Romania first, when Russia capitulaiting in the early 1917. And this means what Germany and Austria-Hungarny have a much bigger time to strike on France and Italy. And Italy is the second front for the France. And France didn't have much reservs to defence in the Alps.

[@williamthebonquerer9181]

@@randomdudeoti the central powers are not going to dominate the Mediterranean, the french fleet alone was larger than the Italian and Austrian fleets combined. Austria/Germany would have to relieve italy in this timeline. Italy would just be absolutely trounced by France, France would crush Italy just to improve morale. Also Austria wasn't operationally outnumbered by much in its battles with Russia. More divisions on the east just means more pows for Russia to capture. It was always German divisions that stopped Russia. More Austrians won't stop them. Besides, Italy was a net food and coal importer, France and the UK were her largest trade partners and Germany wouldn't be able to make up Italy's coal deficit due to man power issues. Italy would have famine conditions by late 1915, combined with the subordination to Germany causing domestic political issues and millitary defeat this would end italies ability to prosecute the war. Furthermore Italian entry could keep the ottomans neutral, or at least delay ottoman entry into the war. The land Italy exquisite in 1912 could be promised to the ottomans to keep neutrality. However given the instant of the pasha's they will probably still join the war against Russia.

[@williamthebonquerer9181]

@@Крэйден_х i don't understand what you are saying? Germany didn't lose a year fighting Romania or Italy. Germany sent a few divisions in October 1917 to Italy, by this time they already cycled around 80 divisions at pachendale, more than France cycled at Verdun. And France would have the reserves to defend at the alps, a single army could hold out in the Alps on defense. Italy couldn't attack with more than 300,000 in the battles at the isonzo. Given France was more competent than Austria, this would pin down just 100,000-150,000 french troops.

[@sodpati]

@@williamthebonquerer9181I disagree. If Italy joined the Austrians would be able to send more units to Russia which might end them faster. And also in that period there was no chance France would crush Italy. They would never divert that many forces to the western front and they had to little equipment to produce more. The extra front would be crushing to their morale. Sure Italy would not be able to break French line but it would force France to defend the boarder, and it would also allow Italy to make attack in cohesion with Germany to apply more pressure on France

[@Kiran_prp]

Idea:What if Scotland had it´s independance with Ireland and joined the Axis?

[@fabioouno3063]

Suggestion: what if brics of 2024 in 1936 Please

[@baseditalian03]

nice vid, about the title, italy didnt really betray the central powers, austria had betrayed italy by not respecting the agreements decades before, about the invasion of bosnia , any gains the balakns, shall meet territorial compensations for other alliance members if they have interests in the region, austria hungary did not give territorial concessions to italy, so italy had all reasons to abandon austria and find some more loyal allies

[@Chaiserzose]

U know, they study history on english text books, where italy, being of southern europe, is always mischivious and cunning. You cannot trust those filthy southern! ( after all, english are of germanic origin, English is a germanic language, their royals are german... and like all germanic peoples, they have a thing for looking at themselves as a superior race...)

[@estradadavilafernandojavie8684]

but Italy betrayed Prussia (Germany) who was of great help for Italian unification.

[@gigiluigi6359]

@@estradadavilafernandojavie8684 no because Italy have a defensive pact whit Germany not a military alliance … central power in ww1 are offensive not difensive ….

[@estradadavilafernandojavie8684]

@@gigiluigi6359 It's a joke right? Did you really believe that you can kill the heir of an empire without any consequences?

[@gigiluigi6359]

@@estradadavilafernandojavie8684 is a offensive war . The book of history said that… mr professor please rewrite the history for us

[@historyman2323]

Great video!

[@lipedotrovao3295]

I liked this video, is there any way you could do it "What if the black league russia traveled to the 2000s" it would be interesting for Yazov to overthrow Putin and start A Great Trial against NATO for making Russia lose USSR territories

[@baconatorenthusiast]

black league gets stomped if time travel is their only special ability, TNO is set in 1962

[@lipedotrovao3295]

@@baconatorenthusiast But in TNO, technology has advanced more than in OTL according to the lore itself

[@baconatorenthusiast]

@lipedotrovao3295 I'd imagine it's not that far ahead of OTL 1962, and any computers at the time were still primitive

[@IceyBoi-li3gt]

What mods did you use?

[@animeXcaso]

You mean: What if AH stayed loyal to the pact and didn't like planned to backstab Italy after a huge earthquake and when was too busy in Libya? Right

[@YourAverageZuruben]

I felt like Italy gonna lose all their colonies and maybey Sardinia if France is aggressive

[@julianm6360]

Can you male a part2?

[@Drewthekaiser1]

Hey I don't under stand the central powers defeated russia and held more french land than the French held german land so how did the germans lose in game and real life

[@williamthebonquerer9181]

You want an answer to why when Germany was unable to hold the western front they surrendered?

[@Drewthekaiser1]

@@williamthebonquerer9181 ya but it didn't make since to take that much territory from the germans

[@williamthebonquerer9181]

@@Drewthekaiser1 Germany didn't lose much territory. They lose proportionally as much as Finland did in the winter war.

[@williamthebonquerer9181]

@@Drewthekaiser1 i don't understand your point anyway? Germany was defeated in the field, unable to form a defensive line. It was a matter of a week or two before Germany would be invaded and Germany had half the troops in the field at the end of 1918 than at the beginning

[@Drewthekaiser1]

@@williamthebonquerer9181 ya but the French had no business taking germans prussian territory because they had already defeated the russians that wasn't there front that's what I'm asking I understand them take alsac lorrien but not there eastern territory to poland

[@mike-fr2vf]

what was the map font mod?

[@El1sue1012]

Pt2 👇

[@BamBamAbraham]

nice

[@tiffany6805]

What mods were used for this?

[@nick5699]

North Italy! North Italy!

[@амёбаобыкновенная-у9ц]

What if italy join central power but ottoman empire join entente

[@Chaiserzose]

ITALY DIDN'T BETRAY ANYONE in WWI, learn history better!

[@Andrew_44486]

Facts

[@gigiluigi6359]

@@Andrew_44486 no . Is a defensive alliance… ignorant

[@Andrew_44486]

@@gigiluigi6359 prima di tutto ignorante lo dici a tua sorella o parente, secondo lo sapevo che era un'alleanza difensiva, perciò non potevamo entrare in guerra obbligatoriamente in favore delle potenze della Triplice Alleanza. Pensa prima di criticare qualcuno.

[@gigiluigi6359]

@@Andrew_44486 non pensavo fossi italiano . Con facts pensavo stessi criticando il messaggio sopra dicendo appunto “fatti” inteso che L Italia avesse tradito … mi scuso . Pensavo fossi l ennesimo inglese ignorante cresciuto a pane e propaganda

[@Andrew_44486]

@@gigiluigi6359 vabbè,capita , pensavo che il termine "facts" fosse positivo

[@megalodongameplay7]

Awesome video!