What if ITALY United in 1454? Animated Alternate History

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Italy was fragmented and disjointed since the fall of Rome and only unified i 1871. In this video, I explore what would have happened if Cosimo de' Medici used the treaty of Lodi to unify Italy in 1454.
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Videntis

[@jordanbrandt-trainer4571]

Not gonna lie this sounds like an EU4 game inspired fanfiction

[@Videntis.History]

yeah, I will admit, this is not a very realistic scenario at all. Italy was far too fragmented and divided for unification to be possible, but I thought it was a the Italic League was a cool point to jump off into a different scenario. The wars were all based on real wars, the Italo-Ottoman war in this is basically the Venice-Ottoman war of the real world, but now a united italy would be stronger than Venice so they would win. I used the agreed upon outcome by the real european allies for my scenario. The burgundian wars did occur in real life and I think Italy probably would have wanted savoy, so an alliance with france made sense. The wars against the mamluks were a combination of the mamluks-portugese wars and the mamluks-ottoman wars. I would encourage you to read into these conflicts as they are pretty interesting and not well known. I try my best to have some basis in historical scenarios, while still changing things, but yeah, its obviously not realistic. Anyways, I hope you enjoyed the video and if you have any suggestions for future videos, let me know

[@jordanbrandt-trainer4571]

@@Videntis.History I appreciate your reply, I didn’t mean to come across as overly negative, it’s certainly a very interesting scenario and not ultimately too unrealistic. I just was skeptical of the degree to which the ottomans suffered losses in this timeline, but I’ll do more research into the wars you’ve mentioned. Anyways good job on the video and thanks for introducing me to some new conflicts to look into! Cheers man

[@Videntis.History]

@@jordanbrandt-trainer4571 Yeah, I didn't take it as a negative comment, its a valid criticism and I don't want to make videos that are ridiculous or fictitious. Thanks for the points and I hope you enjoy reading into those lesser known conflicts.

[@TheAustralianMapper5378]

That gives me an idea.

[@ramp597]

Yeah this reminds me of my Naples campaign

[@edosl1426]

Bruh i just realized... Napoleon would be Italian in this timeline. What if he became consul of Rome and tried to invade France just like Ceasar did lol That would be awesome

[@Videntis.History]

Yeah, good idea

[@NikephorosCaesar]

There were strict hierarchies in the military and not to mention Napoleon learned war in French schools

[@thalmoragent9344]

​@@NikephorosCaesar Still made it to Emperor after just being a cannon officer

[@draphotube4315]

Because he could abuse the French Revolution for his own gains, without it he would never have been able to rise to the top, the exact political atmosphere of that time allowed him to be so succesfull. yes his character was important as well, but in the end many great men will not have seen the history books like him because the times simply didn't allow it.@@thalmoragent9344

[@marcod.7246]

Napoleon was etnically and culturally italian, we know he struggled to speak a good french, Of course he attended french academy later on in his life. His family fought for the Corsican indipendence from France, he himself was an indipendetist when he was young...Last but non least he was born only 1 year after the Treaty of Versailles...

[@AndrewCiao]

Maybe Italy could have discovered America since Colombus before asking Spain to fund the expediction he also asked to Venice and Genoa

[@Videntis.History]

thats a really good idea, i don't know why I didn't think of that. In this world, a stable italy probably would have funded him so Italy may have dominated the entire new world

[@thadsul]

The thing in real life is: Columbus and other italian sailors were employed in the Atlantic by the iberians. Christopher himself sailed years for the portuguese. So, in this scenario, would a unified Italy sponsor their own expeditions in the Atlantic since mid 15th century?

[@retrogamermax8287]

​@@Videntis.History I still think Spain and Portugal would have gotten some land in the Americas in this alternate timeline, but nowhere as much in this timeline where Columbus goes to a united Italy for financial assistance for his voyage.

[@Luke-jg7nl]

@@Videntis.History all these darn Latin Americans speaking Italian everywhere

[@thecatfather857]

@@thadsul And most importantly: Columbus himself was Italian.

[@cazwalt9013]

A unified Italy??? How much I love this idea. My beautiful Italy unites earlier and lead Christians to crush the ottomans and reestablish the byzantine empire plus take all of the Mediterranean and has a colonial empire. Oh how beautiful is that. Thanks soooooo much for such a beautiful video ❤️🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹❤️

[@Videntis.History]

I'm glad you enjoyed the video so much

[@jokekopter2509]

​@@Videntis.History where are medici from Just Cause 3?

[@Videntis.History]

@@jokekopter2509 they are from Florence, what is Just Cause 3?

[@migamaos3953]

@@Videntis.Historyit’s a video game, I have no clue why he’s talking about it though lol

[@elperrodelautumo7511]

You mean the Roman Empire. Byzantine is a term invented by Western Europeans who don’t see the Constantinople centered Roman Empire as the continuing Roman Empire from Romulus and Remus era of the foundation of Rome. When it evolved from a town by the Tiber River to a dominant cultural identity of the Mediterranean.

[@ap6480]

Except for the Ottomans being heavily nerfed this video was actually very well thought, might try to replicate this in EU4

[@Videntis.History]

thanks

[@leonardocontin937]

Well 1450's Ottomans were not at the peak of their power, while many italians duchies were at the height of their power, with Italy as a whole being as rich or possibly even richer than all Germany and France. The fleet of such a nation would surely beat the Ottomans one. And the troops that could be deployed and paid would be surely higher than any Real life anti-ottoman coalition that fought the Ottomans up to this point in our timeline. The true problem of this video is that all the powers in the italian nation or alliance collaborate way too easily. For example, France and Austria would not be pleased to see a rival being born under their nose. An unified Italy would probably want to take Sardinia and Sicily from Spain. After some times it would be hard to justify Italy owning most of Greece, since the Byzantine Empire main ethicity has Always been greek. France would possibly fight to keep the French Savoy Independent or at least try to annex part of It, since givin Italy full control of the Alps would make that a very weak border.

[@thecatfather857]

They would only be heavily nerfed if this was in the 1680s.

[@xxxhalo4everxxx]

skanderberg was kicking their ass by himself for a ling time dude often destroying ottoman forces double or even triple his size, with this much extra weight being thrown at the ottomans being folded like this isnt out of the realm of possibillity

[@alperen6712]

@@leonardocontin937the battle of mohac the battle of nicopolis and many more battles in which the Ottoman Empire by themselves fought against countless coalitions against European forces and won the first loss against Europe was battle of Vienna from 1400s-1600s the ottomans were at their peak

[@benjaminobienu5297]

A united Italy would be better for both Europe and Italy as a republic in the middle ages is an interesting choice and a good idea because it shows stability and prevents major civil war in the Italian peninsula without worrying about a royal family or nobilities fighting over controlling Italy and restoring the Byzantine Empire and getting rid the Osman Dynasty. This is genuinely incredible, my friend; keep up the fantastic work, and no matter what happens in your life, always believe in yourself and shine the light where you find success and wish you good luck in your future, and so does your channel!

[@Videntis.History]

thanks for the kind review

[@SrLx1]

Well, Republic isn't incompatible with the notion of royal family or nobilities fighting over controlling Italy, you can see that in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth

[@cs0345]

Italy was not in civil war. It was separate Italian regional countries fighting each other

[@henricoz_9745]

​@@SrLx1 That was not a republic lol

[@SrLx1]

@@henricoz_9745 It was a Classic Republic, not that modern and bullsh*t conception post-liberal revolutions

[@thenamesianna]

I love your way of doing Alternate History. You narrate it as if it actually happened. I find it very entertaining.

[@Videntis.History]

I'm glad you like it, I am trying to be unique and present it as a real history video

[@paocut9018]

I'll be honest, I doupt that a united Italy would have so utterly crushed the Ottoman Empire at it's peak. This scenario is cool but extreamly optimistic

[@Videntis.History]

its not the most realistic but its based on the venetian-ottoman war and I followed the agreed upon terms if venice won, so there is some basis for it, but yeah its very optimistic

[@rey_nemaattori]

This is not peak Ottoman strengh, they didn't have the population centers yet of later times to draw from. Its not just Italy they're fighting, there's an alliance of Hungarians, Albanians and Moldovans. Its like the Venician-Ottoman wars, only with half Europe backing Venice.

[@thecatfather857]

Ottomans weren't at their peak until the 1680s.

[@schneejacques3502]

​@@rey_nemaattori If ottoman was ruled by an incompetent ruler it may be. However the alliance have to face off against mehmed.

[@xxxhalo4everxxx]

1450 wasnt the ottomans at their peak, that would be in the 1600's right untill the defeat at vienna, secondly, skanderberg was kicking their ass by himself for a long time, destroying ottoman army after ottoman army send against him often double or even triple his size, never being defeated albania only fell into ottoman hands after skanderberg had died of natural causes, given that fact, the ottomans being folded like this if this much extra weight was thrown at them really isnt outside the realm of possibillity

[@geth7112]

Honestly I think you're part of what I'm feeling is a Renaissance of alternate history on KZbin now

[@Videntis.History]

thanks so much. If I am part of the renaissance, who was a part of the classical age, the middle ages, and who else is in the renaissance with me?

[@geth7112]

@@Videntis.History let's say alternatehistoryhub was like the classical age for alternate history on KZbin. And then there is the Dark Ages we're Cody from alternatehistoryhub did less history stuff. So whatifalteis and mr. Z are the only big Channel around and refused to do any actual research or up their production quality despite having patreon and sponsors lol.

[@domenstrmsek5625]

Whatifalthist seems to me to have been expert about alternative history differently with monsour Z

[@mackycabangon8945]

Florence taking all of Italy in 10 years means they are gonna die to AE. That's gonna be one hell of a coalition.

[@Videntis.History]

what is AE?

[@mackycabangon8945]

@@Videntis.History agressive expansion, this is an eu4 joke

[@Nachoto]

Holy shit the production value of the video is through the roof. Keep it up man, you'll explode in popularity soon

[@Videntis.History]

thanks, I just taught myself taught myself how to make the animations so im still improving, but im glad you enjoyed it. Let me know if you have any scenarios you would like me to cover in the future

[@elsauce4873]

@@Videntis.History How about what if Sweden won the Great Northern War?

[@nathanscarlett4772]

​@Nostradamus what about a real united HRE in the middle ages?

[@svedenska4535]

If italy was to unite in 1454, under a roman style republic, it would be very possible that much of history would be drastically changed, as medieval europes punching bag was basically italy, and with it uniting into one state 300 years earlier than in our timeline, it would likely cause changes to, per example, the hapsburg dynasty, which would never really come to prominence like in our timeline but instead be more of a historical fun fact, the napoleonic wars might also be changed, with it being likely that italy wouldn't have been partitioned between austria and france (the Treaty of Leoben is the prime example of this), but instead would probably end up as a forced french ally, like Austria and Prussia were. There is honestly so much that could've changed it is quite frankly unreal

[@Videntis.History]

yeah, our world today would be unrecognizable

[@Boretheory]

The Napoleonic wars wouldn’t have happened because Napoleone was of Italian family and this theoretical Italy has both Tuscany and Corsica meaning his family isn’t going anywhere. And thus we may see at best an Italian dictatorship led by him but no french empire

[@NoName-hg6cc]

You mean Modern History punching bag. Italy was independent in Middle Ages

[@awso2367]

Genuinely one of the best alternate history videos I've ever watched. Also the visuals are incredible

[@Videntis.History]

thanks so much

[@esti-od1mz]

I think that every patriotic italian would have liked the Medici as rulers. As a Sicilian, I'm a bit upset we are left outside...

[@Videntis.History]

I wasn't sure if Spain would give up Sicily and Italy would not fight them over it as they were allies, so I think Sicily would stay Spanish

[@esti-od1mz]

@@Videntis.History I understand: these are speculations, after all. Good point

[@recminecraft3235]

Look, half of this is either unrealistic, unhistorical or Fanfiction... But like, this exact scenario it's actually a really popular question in Italy, and I'm very happy I've finally found even one person that can make me explore this scenario even in a funny way. In a realistic scenario I always thought that a united Italy in that time would have been essentially what Venice was in our timeline but way worse for everyone else in Mediterranean... On paper it may have been the most powerful country in Europe at that time and the fact that a significant part of it would have been part of the HRE would have also rubbed a lot of people the wrong way, it would had essentially the claim to be at least partially the Roman empire and the power to expand like it.

[@Videntis.History]

If I make a part 2, there would be a series of Germanic-Italian wars that would take place

[@emw6014]

​@@Videntis.History a part two would be Great!

[@kirbgurtez1996]

I would love to see a continuation, or a part 2 of some kind! This is really detailed and fascinating.

[@Videntis.History]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@mohi6699]

I love this idea, keep going, very well made. High quality for your subscriber count.

[@Videntis.History]

thanks so much, i just started making animations and editing so i'm getting better but i'm glad you enjoy it

[@Hannibalian]

man, i'm glad i was recommended this, you've rightfully earned yourself another sub, hopefully another of many to come!

[@Videntis.History]

I'm happy you liked the video and there are lots of new videos to come

[@superbrutus2369]

I would so love a part 2. Prob one of the best alt history vids i've seen in a while.

[@MaxTheLazyCat]

Ancient/pre-modern alternate history is genuinely so interesting, because it's so far back the possibilites of future events changing is crazy. This scenario alone would have probably changed world history.

[@Videntis.History]

Yeah the world would be unrecognizable

[@nadri3335]

Man, how you can make the BEST alternate scenarios? I loved the video, great work :D

[@pietromariotti7707]

The idea is very interesting but I find in it some critical point: 1. You assume that this new italian republic would be very stable and not Just collapse After the death of its founding fathers. In my opinion the Italian dinasties Who formed this new republic would scrumble for power and increase their own Power base even of It means harming the functioning of the state. 2. I think that the ottoman army would be much more of a threat than what you portrayed. Mehmed II was a great Commander and a war on this many fronts would have stretched the italiana forces and supply lines very thin allowing the ottomans to react Better. So i think the war you portrayed would probably end in a costly stalemate with the Italians holding parts of Greece and ruling the waves while the Ottomans would've beat some weakear enemy like the Moldavians. 3.althoug this new world of alliances you created is very interesting I think that spain and Italy, maybe After an initial cooperation, would've start fighting For the control of the eastern mediterrean Sea and especially sicily and Sardinia. Other than that i think that the HRE and Italy would become rivals as well, because the First would oppose a strong neighbor where It was its playground. Please take all of this as constructive critics, i think that your work Is of very High quality both in tecnic and narrative, and you are very creative in tour ideas. I enjoyed very much watching this video and i think that you have a very High potential. All the best :)

[@pietromariotti7707]

P.s. as an italian i enjoyed for once been the Ones who are doing the beating and not the Ones who are been beaten althoug 😂

[@Videntis.History]

@@pietromariotti7707 Yeah, I know it wasn't super realistic, but I think if the Italians had enough troops and allies, they could have destroyed the Ottomans. I portrayed the republic in the best sense, but in reality, families would probably be bribing people and their would be some corruption behind the scenes. I don't think it would collapse though as the upper class became very wealthy from the union. Its hard to say how long an Italian-Spanish alliance would have lasted, but I am sure after the muslims were removed as a common enemy, there would be conflict eventually.

[@thatwasprettydecent7497]

"Mehmed was a great commander" His horrendous record says otherwise.

[@pietromariotti7707]

@@thatwasprettydecent7497 yeah maybe not a Great Commander but a great statesman and Sultan. I suffered Major defeats but in the end Is reign was successfull. I think that he would have handled the situation Better than shown in the video, maybe not by destroyng the crusading armies but surely making they struggle a lot during the invasion.

[@thatwasprettydecent7497]

As long as the plane lands and the pilot is alive, then yes, it was a successful reign

[@b4s1l1sc]

This was great! From the animations to the storytelling! You deserve so many more subscribers!

[@Videntis.History]

I hope so, hopefully the channel takes off, but I am very happy with how I am doing so far, anyways, thanks for the nice comment

[@wireplay-1.5metre]

Wow I love this alternate history and this editing style. it is never boring!

[@Videntis.History]

Glad you enjoy it!

[@yanalbertoagudelo9687]

Wow, it's early in this channel's development. Hoping for the best 👍

[@Videntis.History]

thanks very much

[@losh7489]

at first i was wondering why this video felt odd. then i realized that you are a youtube titan in the making. you let videos are amazing bro keep up the amazing work

[@Videntis.History]

thanks so much

[@manuelmanuel3554]

This is amazing, easily the best Althist channel, keep up the good work man

[@Videntis.History]

thanks, I hope to be the biggest at some point but that will take a while

[@rrramblex]

you are very underrated, this is very good

[@Videntis.History]

thanks

[@extatickiddo5714]

I really do wonder how the relationship with the Italian republic and Byzantine (Roman) empire would be. Also it’s weird hearing how they except other as successor states of Rome when they are in fact Rome. But overall super interesting video

[@Videntis.History]

I am not sure, but in the real world, some byzantine emperors recognized the HRE as roman successors, so they probably would have good relations with Italy.

[@endersonshaskaumali4541]

Damn this was certainly an interesting scenario. Great video and keep up the good work.

[@Videntis.History]

thanks

[@Hamstorian]

This was the First video i Watched from your Channel, You've Came Far in the Past few Months!

[@mattiapatruno7106]

Nice video man!

[@Videntis.History]

thanks for the kind feedback

[@italianpc4119]

Amazing video! Cant wait for this channel to blow up

[@Videntis.History]

I hope so too!

[@lucasrodreguiz2326]

If I’m also not mistaken during this time of mehmed a Vlad the Impaler was also rebelling against him which would also been good to have mentioned

[@onix5491]

your alternate history is wild I love it

[@Videntis.History]

I am glad you liked it

[@andreman86]

How in the world does this channel have 99 subs? I thought I was watching an 100k channel with this quality...

[@Videntis.History]

thank you so much for the glowing review, I just started making videos a month ago but I am happy with my rate of growth, hopefully i make it to 100k one day

[@thalmoragent9344]

United Italy a year after the fall of Byzantium? Damn... it would be like fate itself wants the restoration of the Roman Empire, in one form or another.

[@dalton6108]

Good job on not going conquest happy. It’s very rare and unlikely to do mass conquest, especially consistently. Many alternative roman KZbinrs believe a unified Italy would conquer France, Spain, north Africa, etc. Especially by themselves. That wouldn’t happen. I like your gradual growth. It’s not extreme and it’s not too small. Perfect

[@jeremybeauvais8434]

Great video man keep up great work 😎👍

[@Videntis.History]

thanks so much, what editing style between my 3 alternate histories did you prefer?

[@jeremybeauvais8434]

@@Videntis.History The first one it was really nice 😎👍

[@Videntis.History]

@@jeremybeauvais8434 ok, i will keep that in mind

[@Player732_]

Nice video man. Even though you are a small creator, your videos are up to professional standards. Keep up the wonderful work!

[@Videntis.History]

thats the goal, I always enjoyed watching videos with nice map animations and things like that so I'm trying to do that with alternate history videos

[@lechungusmunch1481]

how do you only have 800 subs with this type of content. deserves way more attention

[@Videntis.History]

thanks, I hope I can continue to grow

[@InAeternumRomaMater]

Do the same with Romania in the year of 1599-1600 during Michael the Brave, respect for the video👏💯

[@sugartaity2023]

Amazing video 🇮🇹

[@Toast_6]

Love the in depth video but I have some criticism: 1) I doubt the crusade could have so easily crushed the Ottomans. Italy has to maintain supply routes across seas on multiple fronts, cohesion with her allies, and stability following such a big unification, while the Ottomans have defenders advantage and were very strong at this point. No doubt Italy would be a powerhouse and one of the strongest countries in Europe, but fighting such a war, even with strong allies, wouldn’t go that far. I think the crusade would still “win”, but the Ottomans would have to give minor concessions instead of being wiped of the face of the world. 2) A Spanish-Italian alliance with Sicily and Sardinia still disputed would collapse immediately. 3) Italy technically still being part of the Holy Roman Empire while claiming succession to Rome is bound to have consequences 4) How are the great powers, especially France, so unbothered by an overpowered Italy popping up out of nowhere? Basically, I think the video is far, *far* too optimistic, but the presentation and idea are really good and fun to watch

[@samuelabelamedici1982]

Thank you so much for making this. I'm descended from the Medicis in a way, and you just earned a sub

[@Videntis.History]

Welcome aboard!

[@Tlex98]

I suspect it would be likely that France would be threatened by a united Italy and would be reluctant to give up its own claims to Naples. It could be likely that France and the UK would team up to fight the Italians similar as to how they did against a united Germany. Regardless loved the video.

[@Videntis.History]

thats fair

[@scottishbarnss]

I think at this point they'd have just finished the 100 year war. I doubt they would've had the appetite to team up and start another massive war

[@pierren___]

Plus France would have taken the remaining territories on their frontier which we see on the map, team up with switzerland against italy

[@retrogamermax8287]

Had Italy unified this early, they likely would have established colonizes in the Americas like the Spanish, Portuguese, English and French. It would be a interesting development to say the least to see Italian speaking countries in the Americas.

[@Videntis.History]

yeah, I am not sure if you saw at the end, but they had some colonies in the new world

[@retrogamermax8287]

@Nostradamus I didn't watch the video, but I was just theoretically saying.

[@Videntis.History]

@@retrogamermax8287 you should watch the video than :)

[@DG_5856]

We already have colonies in america, look at argentina lol

[@leebrown8680]

Good job these videos are great, keep it up

[@Videntis.History]

thanks, please let me know any topics you want for future videos

[@francescomaccioni3460]

Really cool video! I would also like to see a what if Gian Galeazzo Visconti never died and was able to unify northen Italy. In the year 1402 he controlled from Como to Perugia and Siena (Pisa and Genoa included) and from Vercelli to Belluno.

[@Videntis.History]

oh cool, do you mind expanding that a bit more so i know what exactly you envision in that timeline

[@electricangel4488]

Mehmed: yea i am bassicaly augustus of rome italy: hey no poor mehmed.

[@Videntis.History]

yeah

[@Seeno__]

This italian republic would also get Sicily from Spain, because it was strongly linked to the Kingdom of Naples, that in reality wasn't even called like that. As you know, at some point in history there was a Kingdom of two sicilies, and that's because during the France reign in italy Naples and Sicily were united in only one Kingdom that was named "Kingdom of Sicily". When the kingdom was split in half by France and Spain, their territories were both counted as the same Kingdom, and both were sicilies. It would be stupid to give only one part of the Kingdom to a reborn Italy and It would feel like shit, lmao

[@Videntis.History]

yeah that makes sense

[@emanuelebucolo3574]

No, for the simple fact that in that period the kingdom of Sicily and the kingdom of Naples had two very distinct and separate governments, commanded by two different viceroys. This is because the Sicilian independence sentiment has always been very present on the island, starting with the Sicilian Vespers of 1282 up to the uprisings of 1848. Even under the Normans and the Swabians the Sicilian parliament in Palermo has always had a certain autonomy, after more than two centuries of separate government I doubt they would have gladly accepted a unification under a "foreign" ruler

[@riccardix143]

As an Italian, I LOVE this timeline

[@thanghoang3198]

@Nostradamus I have a few problems: - Venice beating Sforza is a very solid POD if not the most plausible Renaissance POD, but the problem is that Venice would eat up the entire Lombardy/Linguria regions and become a 800 lb gorilla within Italy before Medici could do anything if it beats Sforza. The entire Lombardy was a vacuum after Visconti's death and Sforza was the only obstacle to Venice's domination of North Italy. - Thus, Medici would not be able to exert influence like he did in this TL because Venice would have had the final call. Florence was weaker militarily and economically than even the original Venice, let alone the expanded Venice. If anything, Florence would have become Venice's next target.

[@Videntis.History]

That’s fair

[@KameroonEmperor]

Personally I think that had italy unified in 1454, it would definetly struggle to survive it's early days for a bunch of reasons like; the fact a lot of these city states were already be in the HREc which would turn it and by extension the rest of the Habsbugs against the young rebelious republic, as well as obviously the ottomansc which would be pretty concerned at to have a new potential rival power in it's backyard, and finally the the pope, being in this so called "republic" which is more of a federation really, would have been seen as compromised for by his own interests to all his enemies and other neutral states, so he would pay the heavy price of alienating a lot of catholics and therefore loosing more influence by actually joining this. The only way I could see the Italian republic survive it's early days is with foreign only with some form of foreign help, which cant be the HRE nor the Habsbourgs since they de facto rebelled against them, and obviously not the ottomans because of clashing interests in the mediterrenean, as well as not the spaniards because they wouldn't have much to gain by helping this republic. Which just like tyou said i would only leaves the young Republic with France, a far more militarily powerfull nation and the only state that could actually be inclined to be ally to italy. The problem is that france being the disproporsionally more powerfull player, italy would automatically make vecome, at best, France's junior partner, at worse, a full on french protectorate (by the way altough I see the reasoning behind it, I cant see the Republic wanting to integrate savoy, I think it would rather leave it as a buffer while france would maybe buy off corsica in that time). Also the republic could not have basically single handedly defeated the ottomans (quite litterally the most powerfull nation in that time), not to menion that italy wouldn't be in any position to actually antagonize, and definetly not attack the ottomans simply because it would put France, italy's big brother, in a position where it would have to choose between the ottomans, a potential powerfull ally over italy, a young rebel republic, because of it's Agean claims, which would have to be abandonned in order to safe the alliance with France. But had the new republic survived it's rough beginning, it would have been an absolute economic powerhouse (at least until america is dicovered) and it would have even more of a golden age than it had OTL, imagine a free thinking paradise where the rich families would be even richer because of cooperation and even more richer since they wouldn't wage costly wars against each other, so they would have even more money to finance even more great artists and their projects, maybe they would have even more reasons to build since they would have prestige wars instead of actual wars. It really makes you wonder what would the republic transform into after it's golden age would finnish? how would this republic have affected the protestant wars? where would the republic stand in the french revolution? would there even be a Napoleon? would they even still have sold corsica? Would it have survived in the modern day?

[@Videntis.History]

Yeah, those are good points

[@russko118]

at that point in time italian city states were in the HRE only by name and convinence. they fought off the emperor in multiple occasion. they even won sometimes. in our timeline i mean

[@NoName-hg6cc]

Had Italian state unite they'd have been more powerful than any other power, as they were already richer After discovering America Italy would have been the superpower of the following centuries

[@KameroonEmperor]

@@NoName-hg6cc How did you come to that conclusion lmao please explain

[@NoName-hg6cc]

@@KameroonEmperor LOL, how did you come to your nonsensical conclusions? Italians states were as rich, if not richer than most, if not all, Europeans states

[@IzukuMydoriya-o3w]

WE NEED A PART 2 OF THIS!!!!!!!!

[@Franchiokissteria]

Hello. I''ve made some research about the Doge during 1454 and Marco Corner died in 1368, actually a century before the starting point of this alternative history. The real Doge was Francesco Foscari and his government lasted 34 years

[@wankawanka3053]

A great timeline

[@Videntis.History]

thanks

[@joshuasalcedo7864]

this was an amazing video, i honestly didnt think i would go so far after the year 1500. What a great map Nostradamus

[@Videntis.History]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@barrankobama4840]

Surely a better timeline.

[@Videntis.History]

I think so, a stronger and more unified southern Europe would have been cool

[@y.r._]

I love every timeline where the muslims get plastered by a unified catholic response

[@Videntis.History]

well the muslim's still would have controlled the middle east and the karamanids would have been a very powerful rival to the byzantines in the east, so the muslims still would have been a foe to be reckoned with. In europe, however, they would not have had much impact so the continent would be very christian

[@mmcworldbuilding5994]

Amazing video! Brilliant production and a wet-dream-inspiring timeline for any Italian (or Spaniard or Hungarian or Greek for that matter) I’d assume lmaoo

[@Videntis.History]

Yes! Thank you!

[@albertoliberatore777]

Nice video, I enjoyed it. I also suggest another uchrony: what if Frederick II united Italy?

[@Videntis.History]

good idea

[@Nitrality]

UNDERATED ALERT!!! This is great!

[@Videntis.History]

Thanks

[@avoider707]

your videos are the most entertaining out of all the alt hist channels.

[@channdler]

I love this! i don't think it's incredibly realistic but it is an interesting scenario. mainly I don't think they would be able to have defeated the ottomans so easily.

[@Videntis.History]

yeah, makes sense

[@channdler]

@@Videntis.History Mehmed probably would've let the armies himself. and with the states focusing on the actually valuable land in the Americas, the only African colonization at the time would've been egypt, maybe tunis

[@sirwence9949]

This certainly falls under something I would call 'if only' - great scenario and well presented

[@christianseansantoro6988]

The glorious ending

[@Videntis.History]

I am glad you enjoyed it

[@InAeternumRomaMater]

A question, what happened to the Principality of Wallachia? Why wasn't it uprising against Ottoman overlordship? But never the less, strong Stephen the Great and Holy🇷🇴💪🐺

[@Videntis.History]

They probably would have aided the hungarians and moldavians against the turks. It was split between Hungary and Moldavia after the war.

[@InAeternumRomaMater]

​@@Videntis.History Well I don't see why St.Stephen the Great would want to split up Wallachia. Stephen was interested actually more in Crimea for Principality of Theodoro that fell to the Ottomans. Stephen had an alliance with them, he married Maria Palaiologina and he supported militarily the Principality of Theodoro with about 900 Vlach soldiers. He might have been more interested in that territory more. Also I believe if a war like in the video happened, both Principality of Moldavia and Kingdom of Hungary would have supported Vlad the Third Dracula to retake his throne in Târgovişte and probably would have expanded his territory south wards like his grandfather Mircea the Elder did.

[@theo.m.a.r6469]

u earned a new subscriber

[@Videntis.History]

thank you

[@krisp1871]

beautiful video. Subbed!

[@Videntis.History]

thanks so much

[@iliastephnadze]

Im not italian but this universe is 10x better than one of ours (im georgian)

[@OMARragab-ys3ze]

Why it is better

[@rnz1155]

Amazing video! Can we have a timeline if Skanderbeg won over the Ottomans?

[@Videntis.History]

yeah at some point in the future for sure!

[@rnz1155]

@@Videntis.History Amazing, hope it will come as fast as possible! Keep up the good work

[@adolfhipsteryolocaust3443]

​@@rnz1155 skanderbeg won against the ottomans, Albania was conquered after his death

[@rnz1155]

@@adolfhipsteryolocaust3443 Yes, I meant a timeline where Skanderbeg goes on the offensive against the Ottomans

[@sirticklebear5983]

Loved the video dude

[@Videntis.History]

Glad you enjoyed

[@humancuriosityhub]

Nice video! What software do you use to create your maps? You’re very good

[@Videntis.History]

I make the maps using Apple Motion, hope that helps, thanks

[@sageof6pandas233]

I'm loving ur content

[@Videntis.History]

thanks so much

[@schwoondoggle]

Ottomans irl: Literally conquer everything they see through technological superiority and superior administration. Ottomans in this timeline: lose their entire empire in one war rip ottomanbros

[@degoose2447]

So heartbreaking to see Italia disunited after romanum imperium

[@Opmium]

Few things you missed is that the ottomans had a better navy than the italians as when byzantine fell the turks was able to cease its large navy fleet

[@twojacksandanace3847]

I love your videos, you are willing to go out on a limb and have some fun with your Alt History. It's Alt History, it's not supposed to be 100% reality. To many people who calim to do Alt history get to wrapped up in the why nots and every single real world detail and fact. This is a fake timeline, and i'm glad you have fun because so do we. Don't ever stop having fun with your work here man, to many channels fall into the trap of eventually making what they think others want or give in to some bs comments by haters, keep your passion alive and you will never grow bored with this! You are also great at doing more unique and less thought of alt history scenarios, a lot of the other good alt history channels get caught up in the more "significant" events, WW2/WW1, Crusades and Rome stuff, scenarios like this and your Vandal video are really cool and interesting, it's like a breath of fresh air in this genre.

[@CyberSumeriann]

The production value of this is incredible. You have made such a good job! One little criticism if I may, you have a really nice voice, try to not add so much vocal fry to the end of every single sentence. It becomes annoying very quickly and distracts from what you're saying. Also vocal fry makes it seem like you are uninterested or bored Other than that you are doing a great job man, keep it up!

[@Videntis.History]

yeah I need to get better with my audio for sure, but thanks for the nice review, i am almost done with my next video and I already recorded the audio, but it should be better after that

[@ajax1475]

Its beautiful

[@Draconatus24]

Let’s goooooooo, best timeline

[@_fokkinsinner_5249]

This would be the best history to read in books😍

[@genjoh2645]

It would ve increíble For this scenerios to be longer

[@Videntis.History]

yeah i'm trying to keep the videos a bit shorter so i can get ahead and schedule them so I am not rushing to make new ones, than I will have more time to make longer videos or split them in 2.

[@purplelegendxd6024]

Great work

[@Videntis.History]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@Milksheik_00]

The most based timeline

[@Videntis.History]

yeah, super based

[@HLWolf]

It's those things that you would change if you came from the future. In Italy the concept of Republica is not the same as today, the empire or the monarchy was more common

[@Videntis.History]

yeah I know monarchs were more common but Genoa, Venice, and Florence were all republics so maybe they would keep it when Italy unified?

[@semper-fidelis02]

great video 👍🏻 but what would have happened to San Marino?

[@F5Metal]

What if Cesare Borgia united Italy?

[@CristianMarchese]

Pov: the best timeline for italian

[@LordOfTheSith66]

Europe* possibly

[@ik3a141]

for a second i forgot this was alt history and wodered how I never heard of the ottomans being beaten so badly, great fkn video

[@Videntis.History]

thanks

[@kr0n0sthetitan23]

Seems to me that America would be discovered far later in this timeline, because Europe without Ottoman Empire means renewed connection to the Far East spice trade and therefore there would be no needed push to sail to India from Spain.

[@EB05312]

This is literally my Ck3 game atm Ive united almost all of italy except for some lands in the southeast

[@undead9999]

As an Italian whose ancestors served under the Medici, I see this as a beautiful timeline 😂 An italian cotton belt sounds good! 😂

[@Videntis.History]

i am glad you like it so much

[@undead9999]

@@Videntis.History I love it, man. I wish it was real 🤣

[@Videntis.History]

@@undead9999 yeah so do i

[@enrixosjjdjd187]

Interesting for sure, but I think to “predict” a war in it’s entirety is very difficult. Don’t take this negative, I really liked this video and your route of telling an alternative history is fascinating. I just think it would come off as less “EU4-ish” if you more focused on the social, developmental and economic factors and not micromanaging the war itself. I think although the war doesn’t seem unrealistic per se, the timeline may or may not seems a bit off. Again, this very well be my biased opinion so please don’t take it to heart, and please prove me wrong but just from intuition it does seem “weird” that the ottomans would fall in this timeline. Their military was feared for a very good reason.

[@Videntis.History]

that is fair, I have made the ottomans lose to have a major change in the timeline. I want to be unique compared to other alt hist people and I think the wars do that for me. I am planning on making future videos in 2 parts going forward. Part 1 will be the major war(s) that change things, and part 2 will be about the social, religious and economic factors of the timeline. I hope that makes sense

[@brunogalvez9644]

I love alternate history of this period

[@Videntis.History]

I am glad you liked it

[@ljschertzl9036]

This was very entertaining and original

[@federicoraffaldi]

This was Amazing! Cant wait for a sequel!

[@Videntis.History]

I don’t know what I would do for a sequel, do you have any ideas

[@federicoraffaldi]

@@Videntis.History you could narrate the colonial history and Italy's role as a Major Power in Europe in the Age of Discovery

[@Snp2024]

Only 98 subs? Need more

[@Videntis.History]

thank you so much, do you have any historical topic you would like to see covered?

[@Snp2024]

​@@Videntis.History economics of ancient Greeks. Bcz if i remember correctly Alexander the great almost went bankrupt feeding large army of his at very start of Persian campaign. And Greek armies are levied differently than mediveal Europeans or even Persians

[@Videntis.History]

@@Snp2024 i will look into that

[@youthoughtaboutit6946]

One question: when did the Italian republic in TTL turn into a monarchy (de jure ir de facto). You explained it originally as a diarchical republic at first but later on said it had an heir apparent (a term that wouldn’t fort with how the Italian republic’s government that you explained would work) that married the sister of Ferdinand of Aragon implying there was a change in government without mentioning said change happening. Amazing video otherwise though, I just found your channel and eagerly look forward to more of your alternate history videos.

[@Videntis.History]

No, Italy remained a republic. I meant that Lorenzo was obviously going to be the next Consul as he was very rich, came from an important family, and had success against the Ottomans. He was not the king, he was basically guaranteed to be the consul. I hope that makes sense

[@thanghoang3198]

And Venice would never allow Medici to crown himself King. Venice was even more powerful than Florence itself.