What If Kakashi Joined The Akatsuki?

[@i.q.1979]

Please, do another 'what if' that drastically changes the story.

[@sageofthickcalves]

This is the exact response I was hoping for 🙏🏼 I appreciate you

[@i.q.1979]

@@sageofthickcalves Anytime.

[@TheEyez187]

What if that massive Pig/Boar had killed Ashura? Though before seeing this title, I'd always wondered, what if Sacumo Hatake had faked his death and joined the Akatsuki"

[@spit-fire]

what if itachi used koto on atkaski ororchimaru to make him protect the leaf village.

[@spit-fire]

what if Naruto and sasuke were never born

[@revalier3670]

Can't go wrong with a What If about Kakashi. Love that you're doing What Ifs as well. Indra and Ashura Vs. The SOSP gauntlet for the next! What If Sasuke never lost the curse mark or learned Sage Mode? for the next What If!

[@sageofthickcalves]

👀👀👀

[@Beckwourth]

Ima just say this, instead of literally going back to being kids, the fight where he was against Itachi and that shark Shinobi, instead they take him to their HQ, but Itachi takes a moment to tell Kakashi the truth although hesitant at first he knows there's something about Kakashi that just has this bond with him perhaps he sees shisui in him as he shows him everything from his POV using sharingan Kakashi understands the situation and decides to be the double agent for the Akatsuki and the Leaf but for now he's using a mask and hood to hide his identity so Naruto doesn't recognize him should he see Kakashi somehow. It's a long and complex story but definitely interesting one.

[@Anne-np4vu]

Very good script

[@bornassassin2111]

This what if is FIRE! How the story came together and all was awesome. Looking forward to seeing more!

[@sageofthickcalves]

Thank you so much! 🙏🏼

[@oscarperez5539]

Lmao show would just be called kakashi instead of naruto

[@sageofthickcalves]

Kishimoto did say if he had to write the story about someone else it would be Kakashi 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@Anne-np4vu]

Yeah!

[@TssXD]

Love how in depth you went with this, would definitely enjoy seeing a continuation of Jubishi? Vs the rest of the otsutsuki

[@sageofthickcalves]

Might talk about that on stream tonight or tomorrow 👀 Definitely gonna stream every night over the next few days, so feel free to hop in 🤙🏼

[@tibisendandreassdailysvlog6560]

I don't think madara would want kakashi as his succesor because of his "fake" sharingan.He would probably want a full blooded uchiha, seeing as how the uchiha clan viewed kakashi after the war, but also because a full blooded uchiha has waaay more stamina and would have better chances at fulfilling his plan compared to kakashi whose stamina and chakra are pretty average. Instead you should use a scenario where this storyline is literally served on a plate, the aftermath of rin's death. Kakashi would not black out after killing rin, instead he would watch as obito kills everyone in cold blood, or maybe he could wake up in a pool of blood exactly after obito finishes killing everyone. Kakashi is at his most vulnerable at this point in the story, so he would probably be on board with everything obito tells him about the infinite tsukuyomi and the perfect world(assuming obito isn't mad at him and understands why he has killed rin,otherwise this storyline doesn't work). He would team up with obito at that moment and help him build the akatsuki throughout the story as partners, and not straight up take obito's role in the story. Tbh this is more plausible than madara taking kakashi as his disciple.

[@jjlevi543]

This was really fun to watch! Shows how great the Naruto universe really is.

[@benji0276]

This is one of the best videos I’ve watched in awhile praying u make more big what ifs🙏🏼

[@sageofthickcalves]

Thank you so much! Definitely more what ifs coming 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@ninjagreensamurai35]

Greatest Kakashi what if I have ever seen for real

[@sageofthickcalves]

Yo I love you bro 🥲

[@ninjagreensamurai35]

@@sageofthickcalves I love what ifs videos and every time I'm searching for a Kakashi what if it's always this AI voices so I don't watch them but here there was images no AI voice it was just so cool.

[@sageofthickcalves]

@@ninjagreensamurai35 I appreciate you 🙏🏼 I’ve wanted to do what ifs for a bit so I’m glad it’s being received so well

[@ninjagreensamurai35]

Merry Christmas 🎄🎄

[@sageofthickcalves]

@@ninjagreensamurai35 merry Christmas!

[@cassiedean974]

I agree with everything! Good points made.

[@sageofthickcalves]

🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@florianstuder3128]

5:50 kakashi wouldnt go blind, even without HCells since he had his sharingan transplanted. It just wrecked his stamina

[@sageofthickcalves]

Kakashi began going blind in the war arc. Page 13: www.mangapill.com/chapters/3070-10669000/naruto-digital-colored-comics-chapter-669

[@florianstuder3128]

oh damn youre right. but im sure that him going blind was one of the major factors in madara taking izuna's eyes no? Thats why its called the Eternal MS @@sageofthickcalves

[@sageofthickcalves]

@@florianstuder3128 Yeah, but that’s only implied to work between Uchiha who are closely related

[@florianstuder3128]

ohhh gotcha! thanks for the info abd very nice video@@sageofthickcalves

[@sageofthickcalves]

@@florianstuder3128 I gotchu bro! 🙏🏼

[@m.caeben2578]

Good work. I was thoroughly engaged all the way through.

[@sageofthickcalves]

Thank you so much!

[@joshuajose4868]

I LOVE evil Kakashi 😂

[@sageofthickcalves]

Bro same 🤣

[@lowkeycolors]

Kakashi is basically the main character of Naruto too lol

[@sageofthickcalves]

Bro he might as well be lol

[@attackonyugioh92]

Plz post all versions. Loved it

[@sageofthickcalves]

🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@m.caeben2578]

I like how Team 7 is exponentially better because of their new teacher. I also see Gai slightly weaker because of not having his eternal rival to compete with. Perhaps make a video of which Akatsuki member or team could take out the Uchiha clan.

[@sageofthickcalves]

Bet

[@Portfelio]

Completely forgot about that. I'm sure he'd be strong but throughout the show we see him slowly catch up to Kakashi as a benchmark. Without the benchmark, he's likely substantially weaker.

[@Black_Guy]

Very interesting story. The only thing you missed is that the Geto Statue almost broke when they put the 7 tails in the statue first. That's when they realized they needed to put the tailed beasts in the Geto statue in order. If they tried to put Kurama in first, Kurama would destroy the statue. They would need to collect the Tailed Beasts in order. I think this would give the Hidden Villages a chance to cooperate. Especially if more than one is taken out at a time. But this is also whh the Akatsuki stealthily collected the Tailed Beasts. Destroying a village, especially more than one, would cause way too much noise, put each village on high alert, and probably foster cooperation in a way that would severely limit the Akatsuki's chances of success. Not to mention, most villages have more than one tailed beast, so they would need to imprison one tailed beast as they hunt down others with lower numbers. Like image they attacked the Hidden Cloud and took Matatabi and Gyuki. They would be forced to imprison Killer Bee until they caught 7 other tailed beasts. This is impractical and a hinderence.

[@sageofthickcalves]

They don’t have to do it in order, they just have to put Kurama in last. We see them put the 2nd and 3rd in out of order

[@iComment87]

Great video. Would love to hear the alternative versions, too!

[@TheLuigiBrother77]

8:22 It was likely because he tried to do it with just him and maybe Kisame at first, but failed when Minato stopped his 9-tails attack. That likely lowered his confidence and caused him to contact Nagato as Madara wanted from the beginning

[@luci9357]

Honestly I feel like the best way this could work is if alongside buffing kakashi you buff the anbu to be strong enough to face the akatuski and not get completely wiped bc by the pain arc the power scaling feels a bit off like nothing can stop them really

[@sageofthickcalves]

Yeah I think there is something to the “power invites power” idea, I just didn’t want to change the world too much outside of the key changes

[@IAM_WORTH_IT]

Why only 420 likes? This is a great video

[@sageofthickcalves]

@@IAM_WORTH_IT thank you!

[@IAM_WORTH_IT]

@@sageofthickcalves I think a lot of folks just became so lazy they can't push a simple button like how folks can't use a turn signal with just a flick of a finger 😆 🤣

[@sageofthickcalves]

@@IAM_WORTH_IT 💀

[@IAM_WORTH_IT]

@sageofthickcalves I mean just do the D thing , folks need to show some love,respect for the time you put into these videos, I can't edit so I just do my thing for fun and we all can get this paper 💰 🤑. I go thru a lot and just sub to try and help someone who try intead of being lazy .because you never know what could happen posting videos on youtube over some time if that. But much love ❤️ and keep up the work bro, I watch a lot of your stuff bro

[@coatguy2990]

Still can’t believe they called the character „Kaka She“…how disrespectful!! Also, huge project idea - what would Naruto be like *without plot armor* - there’s several fights that should not have ended the way they did 😅

[@sageofthickcalves]

Would love to do a plot armor series because he and Sasuke are CRAZY with it haha

[@matteozambetti4373]

I feel that Konoha could potentially survive the Akatsuki Assault since they'll have two Sanin level fighters, and one arguably Pain level fighter. Not to mention Guy, who if pushed, could us the Eighth gate to KO whoever he's fighting. I see Pain seeking out Kushina for the Nine Tails, Naruto trying to fight him, leading to Itachi saving him and fighting Pain. I see Orochimaru fighting Hiruzen (if he went after Itachi he'd just get KOed, and him going after Hiruzen is more likely in my eyes) only this time there's no barrier to prevent help, which would come in the form of Anbu. I see Jiraiya trying to help Hiruzen, but getting blocked by Konan. I see Hidan and Kakuzu fighting Asuma, Kurenai, among other Jonin, with Guy fighting Kisame. Sasori I see going out on his own and fighting whoever, maybe getting engaged by Ibiki or something. Since the Akatsuki won't have an army of Sand or Sound Shinobi, support is more likely to arrive for the elongated fights. This won't be astronomically effective, but it may tip the scales enough for some fights to end quicker. I see Jiraiya packing up Konan pretty quickly, going on to support Hiruzen, or fight Sasori, depending on if Sasori takes notice of Jiraiya. If the latter, then I still think Hiruzen with Anbu support would last, and maybe put Orochimaru on the backfoot, even with Hokage summons. If the former, then they'd pack up Orochimaru pretty quickly, even if it just results in his retreat. They'd then fight Sasori, which would take them a bit, but I don't see them losing, even if one of them dies. Guy would likely defeat Kisame, in Part 1 they were relative in base, and Guy has the gates. Guy would likewise be able to defeat Kakuzu and Hidan with, even though most of their opponents, including Asuma, would be dead. This whole time, Itachi and Pain would be battling, at this point I see aid arriving for Itachi. It likely wouldn't be everyone all at one, but if it's Hiruzen and Jiraiya, then I see it tipping the scales in Itachi's favor, even if it's slight. Pain would be able to pack up Hiruzen or Jiraiya individually fairly quickly, with only minor difficulty, even together I only see a moderately difficulty battle at best. But with them as support, even fatigued, they'd likely give Itachi the chance to seal the Deva path, and the rest would fall fairly easily if that happened. The only compilation would be Kakashi, if he gets involved when it seems Pain is going to lose, then I don't see Itachi, even with help, defeating him. Maybe if 8 gates Guy jumps him, or he teams up with Itachi, Hiruzen, and Jiraiya at once. But overall unlikely. However if we assume because Obito didn't get involved originally in the Pain assault, then Kakashi will not, then I see a Pyyhric victory for the Leaf.

[@i.q.1979]

I LOOOOOOOOOVE this.

[@sageofthickcalves]

🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@AliSabriAnimal]

Dope what-if Sage! I do think it’s the first of your videos that I have some contention with, as I absolutely don’t think Kakashi gets past Minato lol.

[@sageofthickcalves]

I appreciate the love! Yeah I think the issue I was running into when looking at the matchup was how much more talented Kakashi was than Obito, so if Obito made it even relatively close Kakashi should be able to close the deal. But that’s the thing about what-ifs; it’s ok to not get everything 100% correct because it’s 100% hypothetical 🤣

[@AliSabriAnimal]

@@sageofthickcalves for sure lol i understand! nevertheless, very good video! can’t wait for the next!

[@miranhaespada1381]

Just got curious about it How would the Akatsuki beat Konoha 100%? Like, the only characters that scale on close leagues to sick Itachi in the Akatsuki are Obito, kisame and refilled Nagato (the paths scale below Nagato and Itachi in all physical stats)

[@sageofthickcalves]

Chaotic shinra tensei. Worst case scenario, Kakashi just shows up and takes Kushina himself

[@Shadow2nights]

Neat

[@sageofthickcalves]

🙏🏼

[@abhijithkrishnag8842]

What if Kakashi was part Senju. Maybe Tobirama's grandson. Just wanted to see how it will turn out if he had superior chakra reserves if he had Senju DNA since his only drawback in the whole verse was always his chakra reserves.

[@sageofthickcalves]

@@abhijithkrishnag8842 this is great

[@KyrstOak]

_Fathers?_ They only had one father.

[@jean77andre]

Killing Kakuzo so early would dismantle The Akatski. He was in charge of bringing the money in, not just for the war but to pay the the other SS members of the team. Also, if the Uchihas where around and accepted most of them will train harder because of Fugaku, the first Uchiha to become a Kage. They would most likely train harder and, takinng Boruto into consideration, Uchihas can awaken the MS by love. Imagine being put on a corner all your life and suddenly the gate are open and villagers start accepting them. Fighting for love, in the Naruto verse, is stronger than hate hence most of the Uchiha's will be unstoppable machines. Said by Tobirama the Uchiha loce is far stronger than anyone else. Noe imagine an army of Uchihas fighting for love and having Itachi on their side. Plus, they needed to capture the tail beasts in order to make the ten tails husk awake the Beast. Love the teory. Keep them coming!

[@sageofthickcalves]

Thank you so much! Just a few notes here: - Kakuzu did control the money, but I’m sure they could put someone else in charge of that tbh - Yeah but the MS is rare, even in the Uchiha clan, so I doubt more of them would awaken it - They don’t have to capture or seal the tailed beasts in order. They just have to save Kurama for last, but that doesn’t mean they can’t capture Kurama and wait to seal him. We actually see them seal the 2 and 3 tails out of order in the manga Other than that, all good stuff! 🙏🏼

[@jean77andre]

@@sageofthickcalves SICK! My first OP replied! Thanks. - I agree with the Kakuzu part. Money is manageable by anyone with enough greed and Sasori could easily do that - Yes, MS is rare, and for your theory it works amazing. But imagine an army of MS users fighting to protect loved ones. That would be an epic clash. - Again, I agree. They can put Kurama in a closet until needed. I forgot about that in manga. Keep these theories coming, bro. I will rebuttal you on all of them. 🤣 All in good spirits.

[@sageofthickcalves]

@@jean77andre haha I appreciate you bro!

[@sm1rza]

would have made more sense if they decimated the village but naruto talk no jutsu’d nagato the same way as regular, also considering sasuke was able to beat orochimaru taking over his body i feel like itachi could do the same and end up absorbing orochimaru

[@clamantstone]

I think a What if Neji obtained tenseigan would be a really cool whwt if

[@sageofthickcalves]

Bro that goes hard

[@clamantstone]

@@sageofthickcalves neji is one of my favroite characters he should of been one of the main protagonists along with rock lee in the series.

[@ohjoytabjoy]

Kakashi leading the Akatsuki is interesting. I have a couple of questions about your version specifically: if Kakashi killed Black Zetsu, does White Zetsu still exist? Aren't they codependent in some way? My lore on how Zetsu works is terribly weak but I don't see how Kakashi gets to have the benefits of Black Zetsu being dead AND White Zetsu being ignorant and alive? Wouldn't the other half know what he'd done? Another thought, and this is mostly a headcanon of mine, if Madara isn't actively trying to awaken Obito's MS, then why would the Mist have made Rin the dirty bomb jinchurriki? I always thought it was MORE than bad luck, but that Madara purposely manipulated the Mist into doing that to Rin specifically to rip the hope from Obito and awaken his MS. It was Madara's stupid good luck that, bonus: Kakashi was the reason she died. Had Kakashi not been there, Madara's plan would have gone something like: Rin would go back to the Leaf, the seal would fail, and Obito's will would be crushed. The Leaf was destroyed and by none other than his precious Rin. Obito only talks garbage about Kakashi so he can't really rely on him being his best friend so Rin will have to do. But instead, even better for Madara in some ways, Kakashi intervenes and Rin uses him to commit suicide. The point is: if Madara isn't trying to break Obito's will, would Rin have still been in that situation? Wouldn't he have tried to isolate another Uchiha rather than go for Kakashi? Wasn't Orochimaru still with the village during the Nine Tails attack? Minato is dead when Kakashi gets sent after Orochimaru in the filler arc, so that's after Hiruzen steps up again. But if Orochimaru is still there and hasn't been outed for his human experiments, why wouldn't he be a Hokage candidate? Thanks for your videos! I've been enjoying them.

[@sageofthickcalves]

@@ohjoytabjoy thank you so much! I appreciate the love. To answer your questions: 1: No, white Zetsu can exist independently 2: It’s unclear whether or not WZ would know what happened. I guess it depends on if a version of him is fused to BZ. 3: I think it’s more heavily implied that Madara orchestrated it so that Rin would die, but her dying at Kakashi’s hand was a total stroke of luck 4: Oro should be gone because it’s stated that he left after Minato became Hokage, and the flashbacks doesn’t show Hiruzen in his Hokage garb.

[@ohjoytabjoy]

@@sageofthickcalves I will give you that Hiruzen isn't in his Hokage garb but I think that begs the question: why didn't Minato deal with Orochimaru himself? Now I suppose Hiruzen might have said, I'll handle this himself myself he's my student etc. but didn't he have a couple of ANBU with him? Seems like something a Hokage would have along rather than a retired Hokage who's just going to handle a difficult personal matter.

[@yamamotogotbodied1606]

Danzo’s biggest L in this timeline is stealing the wrong eye lmao, also I think this iteration of the leaf is so beastly that if you don’t include Pain into the mix of members Obito sends then it’s actually fifty-fifty on who walks away with the dub if I’m being generous to the Akatsuki. But with Kakashi’s tactical mind Pain is definitely starting with a Chaotic Shinra Tensei and then everyone else is invading which just makes this unwinnable for the leaf. Also damn Naruto and Sasuke got sniped in the cradle same with Sakura lol. Tsunade sold the village with that fear of blood right here too.

[@Dartkitten]

Can tou do a 'what if' for anbu kakashi adopting a baby sakura when her parents die in the nine-tails attack? Ive heard stories of kakashi raising naruto and/or saduke but i think him raising sakura would intredting too. And i likr the idea that after the uchiha massacre kakashi uses genjutsu on sakura to help her see what it feels like to lose a loved one. Please consider?

[@caleblowe1924]

This is awesome, however I think if this version of the akatsuki would lose pretty badly to the leaf, especially since kakashi isn’t there with kamui. itachi(he is healthy at this point) is OP, kushina is OP, guy doesn’t need 8th gate and if he were to open it he basically rips through all of them and then you still have jiraya, hiurzen and one eyed shisui. They alone can stop the akatsuki plus the 100s of uchias still there

[@i.q.1979]

When did Kakashi reach Kage level?

[@sageofthickcalves]

I’d say he’s probably low kage at the beginning of part one

[@i.q.1979]

@@sageofthickcalves So Zabuza was low kage level?

[@i.q.1979]

@sageofthickcalves I watched the Pain invasion again. After everything (I don't know if it was filler or not, but), Kakashi told Naruto he's equal to him, probably stronger. I think the implication is with sage mode. Your thoughts?

[@sageofthickcalves]

@@i.q.1979 sorry I meant beginning of part 2 my bad

[@sageofthickcalves]

@@i.q.1979 he said who is equal to who?

[@qtindavis433]

can you do a, what if madara took itachi in

[@sageofthickcalves]

Say less 🙏🏼🫡

[@lemonteacakes425]

The only issue I see with this is that I think during Kakashi's assault on the Leaf, Itachi would turn on the Akatsuki to save Sasuke. I still think he'd end up dying but in the process would keep Sasuke alive as his main priority with Orochimaru still stealing his body. This could then create an interesting dynamic where everything else still unfolds but Sasuke has the MS after watching the Leaf fall and Orochimaru with an MS (which I feel like was a little understated in this video) and edo tensi roaming the world. Orochimaru would definitely be against the Akatsuki's world domination plan and Sasuke might train in hiding with some remaining Leaf cells to take revenge on Kakashi after Itachi's death because he would lose purpose. So I don't think it'd be that clear cut.

[@Anne-np4vu]

Amazing story, I wacht to the end, I really like it. I think you spend a lot of Time working to creat it. I think this could have happen in Naruto if Kakashi was the main character. But, in mind my mind Kakashi is a good Guy. I don't want to see him become Bad and become the 10 tail jinchuriki. I want him to be happy with Obito, rin, Minato and team 7. I don't like our ending. But I was a great work.

[@rusydin2039]

What if kakashi and obito swapped mangekyou abilities

[@brandonharrison60162]

So kakashi has duel ms? Because ho2 can he have his original sharingan given to him and be able to teleport with it like obito?

[@sageofthickcalves]

Kakashi is able to teleport in and out of the Kamui dimension with just his left eye in the war arc. The only thing the left eye does differently is allow for the phasing aspect. Both eyes allow for teleportation in and out of Kamui.

[@i.q.1979]

If Sakura became mid-high kage level when she gained the Byakugou seal, when did she reach Jonin kevel?

[@sageofthickcalves]

She’s probably low-Jonin level in the Sasori fight

[@i.q.1979]

@@sageofthickcalves Can Minato teleport other people to his location? If they have his seal, of course. If so, he could have EASILY saved Kushina before the tailed beast got extracted from her.

[@sageofthickcalves]

@@i.q.1979 I don’t think so

[@omegax-zero8265]

What if Naruto was full uzumaki and how that effect the storyline

[@emmanuelonwumah915]

Peak

[@MZOver]

Can you do what if Itachi reached his full potential? I think he easily could’ve gotten to Hashirama lvl

[@sageofthickcalves]

I’m not sure he’d get to Hashirama level, but he’d definitely be a monster

[@dtczyk8976]

Correction. Koto has 2 different abilities. One is the 10 year unbreakable one itachi was given. The other Is the breakable one you can use more often they danzo stole.

[@sageofthickcalves]

@@dtczyk8976 that’s a fan theory. Never actually stated or implied in the canon material

[@qtindavis433]

with the uchiha losing fugaku and keeping itachi in the village. theyd be training, id think

[@sageofthickcalves]

Wdym?

[@qtindavis433]

itachi had the ideals on the level of a kage as a kid. and had the ambitions to gain power and change things himself. with the clan being respected by the village that ambition needs a place to go. wouldnt his kage level thinking make him train the genin better, he completed it by himself. as a younger kid. the standard of shinobi could go up. l@@sageofthickcalves

[@dtczyk8976]

Itachi leading team 7 is hype as shit.

[@ajayimoses2495]

Interesting scenario a lot of agreements and disagreements of course… but it was great. Me thinks a team of healthy Itachi Jiraiya Hiruzen 7th gate guy Fp kushina A bunch of Anbu + Jonin + uchiha Aren’t losing that easily Especially with itachi’s BIQ

[@sageofthickcalves]

Fair. I’m just taking Pain, Konan, Orochimaru, Kisame, Kakuzu, Hidan, and Sasori > that team 10/10 times what’re they gonna do if they just go straight for Kushina (they should be able to sense Kurama’s chakra) and then clear out before Pain uses chaotic shinra tensei? Maybe Itachi and whoever he has in his susano’o can survive, but everyone else on that list likely gets folded

[@ajayimoses2495]

@@sageofthickcalves That’s the thing… Push comes to shove itachi could just seal kushina making sure kurama is lost forever 😂… 7th gate guy should take out kisame Itachi and kushina(not weakened by childbirth )takes on pain and mutant kakashi Hiruzen and jiraiya take on orochimaru and sasori Kakuzu, hidan and konan would have their hands full with the uchiha + other jonin + the black ops Though the akatsuki’s team is definitely stronger The heavy hitters of konoha would give the others in the village a chance to overwhelm weaker members of the akatsuki

[@sageofthickcalves]

@@ajayimoses2495 Pain literally levels the village in one shot

[@akeemsmith3096]

We do know when Obito get his MS. Him and Kakashi awaken it at thw same time when Rin died.

[@sageofthickcalves]

@@akeemsmith3096 I didn’t say we don’t know when he got his MS

[@allaboutanime_07p]

Show called kakashi !

[@i.q.1979]

When did Sasuke and Bee reach kage level?

[@sageofthickcalves]

Sasuke was low kage level at the beginning of shippuden and Bee was in the 3rd war

[@oscarperez5539]

@@sageofthickcalves would you say bee is mid kage level on his own strength then when he gets into perfect jinchuriki state he's high kage level or even above that?

[@sageofthickcalves]

@@oscarperez5539 yeah that’s accurate

[@i.q.1979]

@@sageofthickcalves What is perfect Jinchuriki state? Version 2, or Full Tailed Beast mode?

[@sageofthickcalves]

@@i.q.1979 a perfect jinchuriki is just a host who can freely access their bijuu’s chakra, so the state doesn’t really determine that

[@dtczyk8976]

My problem with kakashi’s kamui compared to obitos is when obito sends someone to kamui he goes into it later and kills/genjustu’s them. For kakashi if he sends them there whole he can’t really kill them or preventing them from escaping somehow if that’s remotely possible. I mean I suppose he can eject them into a volcano later. It feels like an incomplete jutsu compare to obito’s.

[@sageofthickcalves]

@@dtczyk8976 he can just warp their top half away, essentially bisecting them

[@dtczyk8976]

You can tell I wrote this comment before you address this point in the video.

[@sageofthickcalves]

@@dtczyk8976 🫡

[@jhulianvincentutermohlen287]

All things considered, I dont think that Kakashi would have been able to put Kurama under Genjutsu. Also dont think he would have passed himself as Madara, his hair and abilities were too standout for him. He would not have been as bloody but colder as a killer than Obito, and less cunning xd. All in all probably much more efective when realizing the plans for the beasts capture. Obitos ego played a huge role in all events and if you remove Itachi of the equation Naruto and the leaf would be much easier targets. I like your idea of Itachi teaching the next generation, but I believe as good as things could be, Sasuke would never have the same conviction he did when seeking revenge and would never get out of his brothers shadow. Itachi would still have to die to let Sasuke shine

[@sageofthickcalves]

Yeah my only push back would be Kakashi’s genjutsu should be on par with Obito’s since he countered Obito’s genjutsu, despite Obito having Hashirama cells amping his sharingan. Also, I think Kakashi would just dye his hair, and he’s definitely more cunning than Obito. Other than that, all solid 🔥

[@i.q.1979]

@@sageofthickcalves Or he could wear a wig.

[@imshkth]

I think Itachi would not only focus on Sasuke if he knows that Sakura is left alone. He would've not been as negligent as Kakashi was.

[@sageofthickcalves]

Well Kakashi didn’t train Sakura for the final round because Sakura didn’t make the final round, not because of negligence. I don’t think Kakashi would’ve trained her, though, tbh.

[@imshkth]

@@sageofthickcalvesUm... Kakashi didn't teach *anything* to Sakura. She participated in the Chunnin Exam with base knowledge from the Academy. He saw she had an astonishing control of her chakra and he did... nothing with it. He always overprotected her without thinking it would be more productive to teach like idk how to defend herself? He was negligent and favored Sasuke (and Naruto) because he saw himself in him.

[@sageofthickcalves]

@@imshkth dawg what did he teach Naruto and Sasuke before Sasuke’s final round training? Chakra control stuff that Sakura already knew? His focus was always trying to get them to work as a team early on, and never trained any of them individually until the final round of the Chunin exams. You’re acting like he was coaching up Naruto and Sasuke with some secret sauce that he was withholding from Sakura. Look at every other team at that time. Did ANY of the other squad leaders teach all of their students something valuable for combat? Guy heavily favored Lee and taught the rest of his team nothing. There’s no evidence Kurenai taught anyone on her squad anything. Asuma just sat back and guided teamwork (just like Kakashi) because Ino-Shika-Cho was already a pre-developed combination. I understand Kakashi could’ve done better, but acting like he a) was subpar compared to his peers or b) was teaching Naruto and Sasuke monumental things that he just withheld from Sakura are just blatantly incorrect.

[@100TypeYolt]

Kakashi villain arc but also as the MC would go 100x plat. Need a spin off rewrite with the art 😭😭 Hashirama cell Kakashi vs Minato, first Uchiha Hokage, no Black Zetsu… Kishimoto been real quiet since this dropped… 😂

[@sageofthickcalves]

🤣🤣🤣

[@techjuvas]

Minato would smash Kakashi the same way as he did with Obito and it wouldn't even be close. And Sarutobi would step up as hokage again, 100% - but good video regardless :)

[@i.q.1979]

How is Kushina alive?

[@sageofthickcalves]

Kurama got sealed back into her

[@i.q.1979]

@@sageofthickcalves WHAAAAATT?! MINATO COULDN'T MAKE THE SAME DECISION IN CANON??!! 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬

[@sageofthickcalves]

@@i.q.1979 Minato bled out from his fight with Kakashi here. Got his arm blown off

[@i.q.1979]

@sageofthickcalves No. I mean in the manga and anime. Minato could have just sealed Kyuubi back into Kushina. Not doing so makes him look like a dunce.

[@sageofthickcalves]

@@i.q.1979 oh gotcha. Yeah I 100% agree bro 🤣

[@DeusGamez]

i dont think madara would've picked kakashi to be his right hand man because he needed someone vulnerable an easy to manipulate which kakashi just isnt that you could argue that yes it was a terrible thing he's gone thru but the only thing that pushed him over the edge was when he lost everyone an thats why he listened to Danzo an joined the root foundation because they have a ruthless reputation an they empower the disenfranchised of the hidden leaf an give them a means to hold some actual power in their life but kakashi was skeptical after having joined an ultimately he switched sides because he still had morality in his heart he wasn't just a ruthless indoctrinated killing machine like the other foundation members many of which grew up at a very young age within its ranks as they were orphans of the wars that Danzo forced into being his soldiers. but i could see Madara grooming Sasuke into the role of his second in command especially given what happens to him the promise of ultimate power to sasuke would be an incredibly strong motivator for him to not only destroy the village that caused his clan's descent but also vilified his loving older brother turning him into a murderer. Sasuke's akatsuki would be an interesting thing to see at that not only would it include nagato, konan, and zetsu but i think orochimaru would join up as well which could extend to suigetsu being a member too. sasuke would make a convincing madara stand in too lol grew his hair out and used a similar hooded cloak not to mention a mangekyo sharingan would be proof enough for people to believe he is who he claims to be xD an damn like just imagine how op he would be at that if he took in the hashirama cells he literally would be on a scale close too the og madara then lol just without no rinnegan eyes.

[@sageofthickcalves]

Yeah tbh I did this video to see what would happen if Kakashi was placed in Obito’s shoes. Had to take some creative liberties lmao

[@DeusGamez]

@@sageofthickcalves there is nothing wrong with that tho cause this is a "what if" scenario so i do applaud your effort in making something haha kakashi is one of my favorites i think he'd be a broken over powered akatsuki ninja especially if madara gave him a second sharingan an hashirama cells which would easily solve his fatigue problem lol he'd be a menace to society XD but i am glad he didnt go that route he's already an amazing character as is lol

[@sageofthickcalves]

@@DeusGamez 💯

[@Black_Guy]

An evil Kakashi is a menace. Imagine if Kakashi was secretly evil inside of Konoha and secretly wanted to kill all the leaders of Konoha because he blamed them for the war, and he was trying to brainwash Team 7 into helping him take over Konoha. Just saying...

[@rominaperetti6264]

I don't agree at all with the way in which he joins the Akatsuki. I think it is more believable that, based on his past and his experience in Anbu, his depression and grief would drive him further and further into darkness and eventually decides to join the Akatsuki to end it all/save the world.

[@sageofthickcalves]

I essentially wanted to make this a video where I see how things would’ve turned out had he been placed in Obito’s shoes tbh

[@i.q.1979]

Naruto isn't the nine tails jinchuriki?

[@sageofthickcalves]

Not in this timeline. If Kushina doesn’t die, there’s no reason for Naruto to be

[@CasperRiecke]

Guy 6th and 7th gate would win against Pain - if he does not start using the big “almighty push” from the start. And I don’t think he would considering they want the Kushina. And even if the Six pains are linked, I don’t think they would move or react fast enough to counter hus speed. 6th-7th gate Guy would do a great job against many of the High teir apponents. If he uses the 5-6th gate from the start, he would be able to use it for a longer time. Remember how fast he fucked up Kisame with the 7th gate as well. And what about a none sick Itachi (from not spamming his mangekyou sharingan) would also fuck up many of the Akatski up with his genjustu and almost unbeatable Susanoo. Just these two guys would do a lot of damage to the high ranked akatski. Then a army of Uchiha and Hyuga… It is not that clear cut to defeat the leaf village IMO. Why do you think that Guy was not in the Leaf during the pain attack in the anime/manga? He would fuck pain up all alone. Jiraya in sage mode and Tsunade and helping the wounded… Mhm.

[@CasperRiecke]

Just one of the Uchiha using Izanami against Kakashi?

[@sageofthickcalves]

@@CasperRiecke Guy in 6th Gate isn’t able to overpower or outspeed Kisame. 6th Gate Guy is also relative to Kakashi’s raikiri speed, which Pain directly reacts to. You may be able to make an argument for 7th Gate Guy, but definitely not 6th. If I remember correctly (I made this video forever ago so idk), I don’t have the uchiha massage happening in this timeline, so Itachi would be significantly weaker. We know hatred amps uchiha, and the massacre definitely filled Itachi with a massive amount of hate, so it reasons that no massacre = weaker Itachi. He also genuinely wouldn’t have any way to deal with Kakashi’s dual Kamui. Again, 6th Gate Guy isn’t doing anything to Pain. Jiraiya and Tsunade weren’t in the village during Konoha Crush. Jiraiya arrived at the very end, but Konoha Crush is what led them to go find Tsunade.

[@kevingbergiste7372]

Why wouldn’t madara just go after itachi? Uchiha by blood with genius only rivaled by Minato. Planting seeds of doubt in his mind while he’s experiencing dilemma between his village and his clan. Not only that, itachi has seen death at 4 and madara could persuade him that they could end the suffering. And narratively, it would make more sense because itachi has the tsukuyomi, while madaras goal is to cast the infinite tsukuyomi. It never made sense to me how itachi’s eyes were never sought after and how madara can cast infinite tsukuyomi when tsukuyomi is itachi’s ability. Guess it’s a retcon from itachi supposed to be the actual villain

[@sageofthickcalves]

Itachi hasn’t fallen into darkness and he’s like 6 years younger than Kakashi. So during the kanabi bridge mission he’d be like 4 lol.

[@ajayimoses2495]

He was actually 8 years younger… Kakashi was 11/12 So yeah he was 4

[@sageofthickcalves]

@@ajayimoses2495 Well Itachi was 21 when Kakashi was 28 so it’s somewhere between 6 years and one day older to 7 years and 364 days older. Since Kakashi is about 4 years younger than Obito, making him no older than 10 during the kanabi bridge mission, I lean toward Itachi being closer to 6-7 years younger rather than 8

[@ajayimoses2495]

@@sageofthickcalves He was actually 29-31 throughout shippuden thought 🤔 And itachi died at 21 soo it’s pretty accurate to me

[@sageofthickcalves]

@@ajayimoses2495 28-30

[@i.q.1979]

Couldn't Minato just teleport away befire Kakashi kill him?

[@sageofthickcalves]

Depends. If you think Kakashi’s proficiency with Kamui would be better than Obito’s (I do) and he gets the same Hashirama cell amp, maybe not. Keep in mind, Obito’s Kamui was amped from the jump because of the Hashirama cells. Imagine if Kakashi had that same amp

[@i.q.1979]

@sageofthickcalves I think Kakashi would be better as well, but the teleportation is instaneous and requires no hand signs. On the other hand, Kakashi still has to move to land the Raikiri.

[@sageofthickcalves]

@@i.q.1979 Well, if he’s killing him with kamui, it would probably be completed before Minato can react. My thing with the raikiri was that Minato would be dazed because his student is wrecking the village after being presumed dead

[@kdraw21]

Or Kakashi is shinju leader.

[@sageofthickcalves]

Dawg that would go CRAZY

[@Follow_your_path]

W vid but when pain deidara Konan Kisame went to the could village deidara was the weakest there so he would have died not Konan

[@sageofthickcalves]

Deidara is definitely not weaker than konan my dude

[@Follow_your_path]

@@sageofthickcalves dude in Naruto game ( wich is cannon) Konan beat sasori very easily and in anime deidara stated that sasori is stronger than him

[@Follow_your_path]

@@sageofthickcalves and plus konan has a better battle iq and iq in general she studied obito abilities, and used in battle she was in help of the recruitment of all them she definitely would have seen him in combat konan paper doesn’t any weakness while deidara dose as we seen in his battle against sauske

[@sageofthickcalves]

@@Follow_your_path it’s not canon. The dude at Cyber Connect doesn’t have the right to determine the canon. Only Kishimoto and Shueisha have those rights.

[@sageofthickcalves]

@@Follow_your_path I agree konan with prep > Sasori, but not straight up with no prep

[@iliebalica4012]

This is so bullshit kakashi with hashirama cells is doing nothing. He got the weak kamui eye and He would do shit to Minato, even with kurama

[@sageofthickcalves]

He’s as fast as KCM Minato during the war arc even without Hashirama cells

[@iliebalica4012]

@@sageofthickcalves plotboost

[@sageofthickcalves]

@@iliebalica4012 Doesn’t matter if it was or not. He still did it, so you can’t take it away

[@iliebalica4012]

@@sageofthickcalves yes we can

[@sageofthickcalves]

@@iliebalica4012 well it happened and it is 100% admissible in battle debates, just like SPSM for Naruto, which was a plot boost

[@armorofgod1430]

lol smh .. did you even see the Minato one shot? Kakashi isn't that guy, far weaker than you give him credit for. Pure fanfic.

[@sageofthickcalves]

I did read the one shot. I also read the war arc when Kakashi was keeping pace with KCM Minato and outpacing 8th Gate Guy with his Kamui speed. Add Hashirama cells on top of that and he’s definitely too powerful for Minato. But to your last point, yes, all what if videos are in fact pure fan fic. That’s the idea.

[@armorofgod1430]

@@sageofthickcalves "Outpacing 8th gate Guy?" You are completely delusional man. Kakashi looked like he was dying the whole time he was dealing with these S-tier beasts. He was barely surviving until Naruto gave him the red chakra boost. Adult Kakashi couldn't even solo Yahiko/Pain. He lost; he died, Pain revived him. He is the literal top of A-tier, as an adult. His power level scales to below Jiraiya, who is bottom of S-tier. Minato when he died was high S-tier (top 8). Adult Kakashi was sweating on the idea of fighting Orochimaru; he is a low to mid-tier Akatsuki member, at best, as an adult. One-shotted by Itachi; smh. FFS, Madara just walked up on him, palmed in his face and snatched his eye out of the socket. Kakashi never made the S-tier until he was given Obito's chakra. He doesn't even have an Uchiha or Uzumaki body, he would have a high chance of rejecting Hashirama cells and would need a medical-nin to even try this. None of this makes any sense.

[@sageofthickcalves]

@@armorofgod1430 Guy charges Madara, Kakashi activates and completes his Kamui, and then Guy lands his attack. There is no argument against that. Kakashi’s Kamui outpaced 8th Gate Guy.

[@armorofgod1430]

@@sageofthickcalves Kakashi only landed it because of Guy's speed blitz and Gaara and Minato's help. I am a Kakashi fan, but he just lacks the physical prowess the other beasts have, including Obito. Kakashi = real Jiraiya in Boruto. Other than that temporary power up from Obito, that was his best moment

[@sageofthickcalves]

@@armorofgod1430 Kakashi’s Kamui was started and completed in a shorter time than Guy’s attack was started and completed. It’s like two people running a race and one gets a head start but still loses. His Kamui is undeniably faster than Guy’s combat speed. He also sniped a rasengan out of KCM1 Naruto’s hand and even a full KCM2 Naruto clone, both while Naruto was moving at full speed. These even perception blitzed Rinnegan Obito. There’s just not a single legitimate argument against these feats.