What If Piccolo Turned Good Early? Part 5

[@PlusUltraMan]

So dealing with questions or concerns. "Why were Kami and Piccolo unable to merge completely? " It'll be explained in a Part 5.5 side story along with a lot of the smaller plot points that take place over the 7 year timeskip. "Why were there certain points where thw audio drops quality?" A few files were corrupted which resulted in some quality drops and strange cut outs. I didn't notice this til in post and by that point I decided to just stitch everything back together as well as I could. I hope it wasn't too distracting. "How did Cell learn Kaioken and why didn't he increase his use of it? " Well you have to remember that it was a very common technique in this timeline since both Goku and Piccoko (also Nail later on) use it making it more likely to be in his arsenal of techniques. And the advantages of it that apply to Piccolo apply to him as well. As for his useage well I think he simply wouldn't think to increase it because of the shock of the situation with Gohan as well as his own narrow-minded pride in his power. Kinda like how Frieza isn't quick to transform and show effort in a fight. "How does Gohan do what he did with the spirit bomb? And how strong was it" For the first question, let's just call it pure instinct and tactical Ki manipulation. As for the second I refrain from providing a PL because I've never known exactly what kinda Multiplier should be applied to the Spirit Bomb, always kinda bewildered me ya know.

[@SupersaiyanMc-fo9gk]

Cell wouldn't be able to destroy the hyperbolic time chamber because it took a Ssb Vegeta to Destroy it. Cell can't really measure up to this.

[@SupersaiyanMc-fo9gk]

Cell wouldn't be able to Destroy the hyperbolic time chamber, since it took a Ssb Vegeta to Destroy it. Cell can't compare to this.

[@PlusUltraMan]

@@SupersaiyanMc-fo9gk I'm fairly sure no one ever said it was necessary to be that strong to destroy it.

[@SupersaiyanMc-fo9gk]

I guess that's true but could you base cell off of Super buu and Ssj3 gotenks?

[@SupersaiyanMc-fo9gk]

They were stronger than Cell but didn't destroy the hyperbolic time chamber they only left the dimension

[@BenFan-hx6ih]

Piccolo: dragon, revive gohan dragon: it's beyond my power. piccolo: then give me the power to revive people. dragon: ok.

[@mediasage832]

You bring up a good question. Also isn't the dragons Shinron's power limited to what Kami can do...WHY ISN"T KAMI PICKING UP THE SLACK!!!

[@mediasage832]

@Eros Matthew Montallana *Counters Yeet with backhand*... MediaSage; Okay, backhand a dragon. I can cross that off the bucket-list.

[@mediasage832]

@Eros Matthew Montallana MediaSage: Its called Karma. People YEET you and you hit them. Goku you have do it many times :D

[@mediasage832]

@Eros Matthew Montallana Goku; Oh, just the voices in my head.

[@andrewpowell8164]

Vegeta dies Everyone: Noooooo! Me: he can finally learn ssj3!!!!!!

[@ronjayrose9706]

Yep😊😊😊😊

[@ampthekiller]

That's if he even knows there's a form beyond super saiyan.

[@OtakuGodJay]

This what if was so fire I can't wait for part 6. It had great emotional, plans, and fights.

[@leisurelyindex]

So now that both Vegeta and Goku are dead, this can provide some rather interesting implications. Would Vegeta be able to keep his body, like in the original? The following is what I think could happen, if it is no. Both Goku and Vegeta, being able to be training partners for the next 7 years, would be able to grow much stronger, learning the Metamoran Fusion and perhaps reaching SSJ3 much faster, with more control over the stamina issue. This does cause something major for the Briefs family, as Vegeta isn't present to raise his son, causing Trunks to be a little more like his Future counterpart. Piccolo could take a parental role in the Son Family's life, meaning that Gohan isn't gonna slack off as much or at all, getting more stronger, and that Goten can get effective training, making him stronger than the original timeline. He might visit Nail at times, just to make sure that Namek is doing alright. These are some things I likely think would happen in the next part and I'm looking forward for the next upload. Thank you for this wonderful Part 5 and stay Plus Ultra.

[@Coolcleverstone]

God Damn I would love to see THAT Cell Games

[@BenFan-hx6ih]

I like what you did with gohan at 8:57 the mix of 2 outfits feels so good and right

[@xavierh1744]

When u realize Piccolo is in his 20s when DBS happens

[@rawnorth7882]

I love your story telling thank you for not just telling the same story over n over just changing the characters around like another dbz youtuber I wont name outta respect lol. Also love how you involve others into the community for the voices but overall just so much fun thanks!!

[@mugiwara-no-lucy7802]

Slightly random comment but can I say that I loved the Naruto "Oh Student and Teacher Affection" OST in the vid between Piccolo and Kami? XD

[@paxtonstewart8042]

Wait I have to wait 17 hours to see another part of this glorious and unique what if?! NOOOOOOOOO

[@mjyourgoat]

This is the best version of the cell saga hands down

[@WittyBantter]

Damn bro that was really good. Had me all emotional like an actual episode of DBZ lol. I think that Kaio ken ability piccolo has is dope I wish they would put that in actual Canon. He definitely needs to grow giant and use it again at some point.

[@ojpickle5923]

Your what ifs are honestly better than the original

[@noexcusesjustpudding]

Loved this what if, it sounds even more interesting then the original story

[@johnmcmullan3591]

Your my fav KZbinr keep up the great work

[@dupesupe5440]

That part when gohan killed cell was awesome.

[@VoltLuke1]

YES SSJ3 GOKU AND VEGETA!

[@neofang229]

Longest what if I’ve ever seen but also one of the greatest I’ve ever seen

[@BertTooCold]

I think duty vs desire has been in z forever in terms of goku has to defeat the villain that’s his duty. But he wants to spare them so they can fight later that’s his desire.

[@assassin139]

These updated thumbnails are fire

[@damienstorm7263]

Absolutely masterpiece

[@Zarreth]

That was an unexpectedly awesome way to end the fight. Lil too on-the-nose with the boruto reference but still cool. You actually made the scene work as opposed to my still mixed feelings about Naruto sending his underqualified kid out to kill the super-alien lol.

[@darkamulet5768]

What if Zarbon and Dadoria turned good? They seemed pretty shocked in the Bardock special, not only at the destruction of Planet Vegeta, but because Frieza killed plenty of his own soldiers with his Death Ball. In this timeline, instead of remaining loyal, they would fear it would be a matter of time before Frieza kills them or gets them killed, so they plan to defect, but they need to find help. When the Namek saga starts, they claim to Frieza they're going to go and find the Dragon Balls, when in reality they're trying to leave, but bump into the Z-Fighters along the way. They point out they're not here to harm them, they're just trying to leave as they clearly can't beat Frieza with his power level of 530,000 at only 2% of his power, but Goku offers them to join their group as they're going to confront Frieza. They would hesitate, but decide to take on it as if the Z-Fighters win, then hooray they killed Frieza and if not, well they can hopefully chalk up their about face to Frieza as simply being double agents. A whole lot can happen from them being on the team, right?

[@derwillhelm3778]

Omg even Vegeta MAN YOU MADE ME CRY!

[@brandonglover3700]

I got the chills so much

[@josiahramsey5126]

I can't wait for part 6 this part was amazing I want to see Part 6

[@supergoku7864]

Well done

[@SRVaris]

What if Nail became a z-fighter

[@SRVaris]

@Spicy Boi Ty

[@realBatman-89]

He already is from a certain point of view

[@kingced741]

@@realBatman-89 he technically is your right my guy

[@SRVaris]

@@realBatman-89 Yes but i meant that it is the only change

[@columnedmage8190]

Please make another part this really proves why piccolo is my favorite character

[@danpizza8014]

i love this video so much for development of characters

[@jaydengilbert2033]

This is a really good episode 👌

[@HunterWhoLaughs]

Awesome and wholesome.

[@Daviyah_yisrael]

This was exciting

[@Nightxx9199]

Why you gotta hit me with that song man >_< nearly brought tears to my eyes

[@AlAnGi]

One of the best what if for dbz

[@Firemalleoandjelly]

I am so eager for the next episode

[@12luigi45]

This fight is so cool, damn just damn

[@Weebgangotaku556]

That was better than the original cell games

[@sheridanroad2001]

What if Sasuke was realistically scarred by the Uchiha Massacre? Scene: week after the Massacre. Itachi arrives at a Root hideout to receive an update from Danzo. He blanches as Itachi reads the report, "Sasuke overcome with grief at death of his family attempted suicide in the hospital." Itachi, "Maybe Tsukuyomi on a 6 year old was too much?!"

[@papiaundreay9313]

Best one yet

[@jamesbah2561]

By far my favorite series so far

[@zadz1854]

I can”t wait

[@darkdecidueye9628]

I really want to see this fight animated

[@ronelasoculaso4238]

I love this what if

[@inboundira329]

I need more please and that was super fire

[@99sonicrocks]

That was amazing!

[@meme-derivedterpenes3097]

That was dope

[@ronelasoculaso4238]

Pls make part 6

[@praetosstuff8230]

Damn this is intense!

[@alifreeze-yt]

Please make part 6 its been over 5 months !!

[@PlusUltraMan]

Part 5.5 came out 3 months ago.

[@alifreeze-yt]

@@PlusUltraMan ok bro but still thats a very long time 😭 i really appreciate both Jiraiya what if and Piccolo what if the same... Keep making videos like these and im sure you will be in the top really soon.. the story is really good ... Character reactions are similar to cannon and you almost never get anything wrong 😃😃

[@sheridanroad2001]

Would you rather? A) Boruto 'as is' being the sequel to Naruto. B) A distant sequel taking place around Naruto's retirement as Hokage. (You know, that hard won peace lasting a full generation.) C) A spin off sequel starring support characters from Naruto Canon. D) Naruto remastered. (The "FMA: Brotherhood" route, starting over from the beginning without all the continuity errors that keeping pace with the Anime caused Kishimoto to make.)

[@sheridanroad2001]

@@thedarkestknight1004 Tales of Jounin Naruto and squad would definitely be cool! However, I think a show about Naruto going on missions in a world still on the brink of war; invalidates the whole story arc of the original series. (Just like Boruto) Flashbacks told by Naruto to his Hokage successor or grandchildren would work for option B. -------- P.S. I'm a strong advocate for D) Naruto remastered.

[@KDawg92801]

D could be good

[@jquins19]

Kaioken piccolo from around 15:00 looks like spiderman

[@diamondingot9841]

I think that cell wouldn’t destroy the lookout because he still has the Saiyan biology and wants a good challenge

[@PlusUltraMan]

Yeah but at one point he asks Trunks if he can get stronger in a short time and uses his answer for his timing on the Cell Games. Once they're there he wasn't willing to give another chance for them to get stronger if no one was stronger than him that was it. The point is while yeah their is saiyan biology in there, there is also King Cold, Frieza, and Evil Vegeta in there, at some point the desire for a challenge wears off.

[@TerryB01]

Like the longer videos PUM. Please do more.

[@blackomega2526]

I thought gohan had already reached super saiyan earlier during the 3 year gap.

[@jreddtrex1618]

This is gonna be cool :).

[@tangofet6522]

omg this what if is more beautiful than me

[@amatuerhippo5598]

Do a part 6

[@Grimplays185]

AMAZING JUST WOW!!! 👏👏👏 JUST SUBAROSHI 😂😂😂

[@killerwest9602]

In part 4 you said that Gohan had already attained super saiyn

[@PlusUltraMan]

I had forgotten about that, it'll be addressed in the next part

[@GabrielLuisThompson3252]

Gohan is not about to let his home planet be destroyed cell your about to get *****d up

[@cantfindaname69]

Didnt gohan get SS1 in part 4

[@PlusUltraMan]

He actually did yeah 😅 there will have to be a retcon in the 6Th part

[@timetraveler5547]

Tien may have died, but props to him for having the balls to attack SP Cell despite seeing the KO'd Vegeta and feeling his energy.

[@joshgaming4141]

My favorite part by far although the fusion should have been complete between piccolo and kami I've never heard of a fusion where only part of the power is transferred

[@primalgod1813]

What if Goku and Vegeta used the Fusion Dance to face off against Kid Buu?

[@shaban-alim.1245]

Nice finely

[@GabrielLuisThompson3252]

Vegeta saving the day

[@saltysnowboi]

If you keep Goku and Vegeta dead for the same time until the Buu saga will there be a SSJ3 Vegeta?

[@chancedudley1606]

Honestly though realistically Piccolo should easily be the most powerful Z fighter right now in this what if. In canon fusing with Kami took him from being equivalent to Frieza's 3rd or 4th form (not full power) to bring as strong or stronger than the androids. So for him to have fused with Guru, Kami, gravity training x100, his potential unlocked and Kaio-Ken he is really Goku's level or stronger. Super Saiyan is a 50x multiplier so if he masters Kaio-Ken x50 he will truly be equally on par with the true potential of a Super Saiyan, and with all those other factors he may even be able to surpass SSJ 2

[@PlusUltraMan]

No actually Piccolo didn't fuse with Kami at a point where he was only Third form Frieza level, it's been 3 years and Piccolo's been training with a Super Saiyan Goku who is stronger than Super Saiyan Trunks who was stronger than Mecha Frieza who is stronger than 3rd Form Frieza etc etc. The point is Piccolo is effortlessly beating up Dr. Gero after he arrived to the fight, scanned SSJ Goku and said it was surprising but not an issue, then he goes on to absorb an attack from Vegeta and a good amount of Piccolo's energy until Gohan arrived and broke up his hold. The point is Piccolo at the point of fusing with Kami is way stronger than you give him credit for. Secondly yes fusion with Guru but the fusion with Guru wasn't a massive multiplier, the potential boost petered off before the 3 year time skip even and it had him at around King Cold level using Kaioken. That's not very impressive considering Cell. Also Kaioken though it's something Piccolo has a resistance is still taking a toll on his body. Just x40 is 2x as high as Goku ever got and a Super Kaioken is 10 levels above that. And finally just because he attained the short use of super kaioken isn't gonna make him stronger than an opponent the saiyans needed a 100x multiplier and rage boosts to beat. Also Saiyan growth and Namekian growth likely aren't 1-1. Namekians don't receive Zenkai boosts. Surpassing SSJ 2 doesn't make sense.

[@shogunxdrago4671]

please keep going to the buu saga i think gohan would be a lot more determined now in this timeline

[@slimetime1638]

I want a part 6

[@Goldermyronsuper]

Question, bro. Who taught Gohan the Rasengan?

[@Isz_odyssey]

Raw I want more please

[@tylersmith326]

Part 6!

[@yahchanan7256]

Didn’t gohan already have ssj cause of Trunks or did U forget that

[@BenFan-hx6ih]

what if chi chi was a water bender?

[@supremekingjace9465]

Stain trained deku we need more

[@Zarreth]

Random 2nd comment, I just realized, after seeing your math, how the official multiplier for SSJ2 makes zero sense when you take into consideration the following: There's the 20% squash difference theory yeah but canonwise forward, Cell was playing with Goku. It seemed even but Goku couldn't really beat him. Cell starts playing with Gohan, who was stronger than Goku. Cell gets bored from the pure lack of a fight and decides to torture Gohan and everyone with the Jrs who stomp everyone. Gohan goes SSJ2, which would be the equivalent of Goku using Kaioken while SSJ in the filler afterlife tournament yet Goku doesn't mention feeling as strong as Gohan. Nitpicky but hear me out. Gohan dwarfs cell and oneshots the Cell Jrs. Not hitting them, exploding them with oneshots. They lack regen like cell but still have his power. So he could have oneshot cell regardless. Drawn out point: I think SSJ2 has to be more than 100x base power as it would only mean doubling your initial SSJ powerup, which seems to be how grade 4 is. Has to be more than 100x, especially with the SSJ grades factored into it.

[@PlusUltraMan]

Hey there I'm more than happy to debate you on this actually so just jump on the discord it's a lot better for this. I will say you've already proven yourself wrong twice, once by appealing to filler which just falls flat instantly and secondly by stating Goku Using SSJ and Kaioken is the equivalent of Gohan Going Super Saiyan 2 . A normal Kaioken is a X2 Multiplier to your power. Meaning if you're in SSJ you're doubling your SSJ power. So you might wanna rephrase and rephine your argument which you're claiming is better than mine that makes "0 sense"

[@Zarreth]

@@PlusUltraMan I wasn't claiming yours was invalid bro. You were good with the multipliers. I was just theorizing that, in general, ssj2 has to be more than a 100x base. I think it is a multiplier on top of ssj. Watching the video just made me think of it moreso. With the grades of regular ssj being a thing, I think that there's more to ssj2 than we originally thought. I love the fact that you cover levels so accurately.

[@PlusUltraMan]

@@Zarreth you said "Your math made zero sense" that's a claim that my math was invalid so what are you talking about? Secondly I've been using the offical Multiplier supplied by the "Super Exciting Guide" which are as official as you can get. I know my math was right yours is the theory that made no sense I'm just confused why you made the statement

[@Zarreth]

@@PlusUltraMan I worded that really wrong yeah. I should edit it. I meant that, while looking at your math, it made me realize that the official ssj2 multiplier didn't make sense to me. Sorry for being confusing. I was near bedtime when I wrote that last night. Like I said, your math is spot on. Didn't mean to make it sound like I was pointing out an error bc there wasn't one.

[@markhenry2386]

K likd your cami voice

[@BenFan-hx6ih]

so if piccolo fused with kami and goku didn't bring little green then does that means piccolo is going to become the new guardian?

[@rohitjain5677]

When will next part come ?

[@miz7126]

Praise the ultra divine NaMEkIan

[@matthewafenyi8597]

the 19 dislikes= the 19 pieces of cell that got disintagreated

[@lolmanmagee2785]

that kami voice was good and all but did it have to kill all headphone users?

[@cherrycantubaiii5175]

U forgot that u made gohan achieve the transformation in the 3 year gap before the android show

[@ShubaSayori]

That one green dot on kaioken cell really annoys me for some reason

[@bigz_zdog1116]

Damn somehow the perfect cell saga became more perfect

[@Dekuoni]

Bruuuuuu upload the new one asap!

[@dfoster369]

Billion or million...?

[@black_jesus1211]

Is super namekian a thing in this time line?

[@luigigx1172]

Do a what if Travis Touchdown was in My Hero Academia and have him as anti-hero in the eyes of both the heroes and the people and also have him meet and trained Midoriya on some fighting moves he's knows like his wrestling tactics and teach him how to be more confident and deal with people Bullshit most likely Bakugo it would really be interesting plus imagine Travis fighting hero killer stain

[@mythilysridhar5060]

would he have gurus knowledge on the namekian nbook of legends all namekians from other universes like the female namekians

[@pralayajin-woo2700]

What if goku was the sentry son, or what if goku was a white lantern. I think it can be passed down genetically but, he could be the avatar or get the ring after risking his life stopping cell

[@drockthegamer2155]

So a spirit Bomb can kill kid buu but has trouble with cell when it’s charged from earth and Namek ? Because that makes since

[@PlusUltraMan]

You are aware the spirit bomb to defeat Buu had energy from EVERYONE on earth as well as some people in other world, not to mention Namek has a population of like 100. Oh also it had energy from a much stronger version of Gohan Trunks and Goten, Tien etc because when Goku makes his first cry for energy he receives a large amount that he is surprised about and remarks it must have been Gohan and the others he knows. So again you're comparing the circumstances between two completely different events. It wouldn't make since for it to be as strong as the one that defeated Buu 😂

[@drockthegamer2155]

I get it now I didn’t consider the fact that the characters were stronger in the buu saga.

[@maddoxsheffield6407]

Holy shit

[@lord_n7000]

Cells power level was at most 20billion before he exploded in canon

[@PlusUltraMan]

It wouldn't make a ton of sense if it was, #1 remember that blast was enough to kills Mastered SSJ Goku and he scales way over 2nd form Cell's actually fighting power. #2 it's more like that 17 and 18 were around the 20 billion range. If you understand Dragon Ball scaling and look at the last known power levels and the power increase trends from both the saiyan and namek saga's you can really easily come up with faidly accurate esitamtes of what the hypothetical numbers would have been. Even Gero and 19 were likely in the billions if you look at what leads up to their appearance. SSJ Goku on namek was at a PL of 150 million. Mecha Frieza and King Cold are both stated to be stronger than that so likely close to 200 million. My personal estimate has always been 180 million. SSJ Trunks comes and blitzes them, he had absolutely no trouble and he even easily blocks a blow from full power King Cold with a weapon so he was likely 2x as strong at the very least. SSJ Goku after a single year of training shows up and is likely 2x as strong as Trunks based on their quick spar and his blocking Trunks Sword. Already we're talking about a power level of 720 million for SSJ Goku. Trunks tells him even with Super Saiyan he'll be no match for the androids, and he says this in regards to a version of 17 and 18 that are weaker than the version in the present, Goku and everyone else train hard for 3 years. There's no way SSJ Goku wouldn't have a power level in the billions. Then 17 and 18 show up and they're destroying everyone, they aren't really even surpassed until Piccolo fuses with Kami so they had to have been 15 billion or more. 16 was nearly equal with post human absorption Cell who is definitely 2x as strong as Piccolo and 17 and then he proceeds to transform and get massively powerful everytime.

[@Blackstar-ly7sg]

Part6

[@bladerbeast3396]

Hi

[@ekayn1606]

Fucking great what if!