In this video I discuss what could have potentially happened if the two biggest claims to iron throne had come together much earlier in their lives. #asoiaf #hotd #whatif
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@matheusdemello23235 ай бұрын
Oh thank god. For a moment I thought it was What if Rhaenyra and Viserys were married, my stomach felt cold for a moment there.
@0predaking05 ай бұрын
XD it's almost the same with Rhaenyra and Daemon
@isabelee7262Ай бұрын
if it makes you feel any worse, the high valyrian word for your father’s brother is the same as the word for father ‘kepa’. so she called both Viserys and Daemon ‘kepus’ or ‘father’
@TheRealHerbaSchmurbaАй бұрын
Haha I thought it said what if they were dead. I was like huhhh?
@MC1172327 күн бұрын
@@isabelee7262 woudn't that be because valryrian fathers would also be uncles, since a brother and sister having a child would make the father a dad,uncle, a funcle
@thegreatpage59125 ай бұрын
In this timeline, I'd imagine Corlys ending up with Emma Aryyn (basically swap spouses). It likely was his great plan to have dragon riding offspring someday. Jaehaerys did see the Velaryons as a valuable asset. I believe he did once present one of his daughters to Corlys in the past but she claimed "He likes his ships more than her."
@maruty21085 ай бұрын
Most probably an Essosi princess 🤔 Aemma could have been married to Daemon
@thegreatpage59125 ай бұрын
@@maruty2108 Maybe...but first we have to ask when and why Queen Alysanne made the Royce match for him in the first place. Was it a political play, if so then it may happen again in this timeline.
@maruty21085 ай бұрын
@@thegreatpage5912 she did it because there was not other targ princesses and Rea would inherit her family seat, so Daemon could be a kind of consort, besides that no other reason.
@cliffordrose43355 ай бұрын
The Targaryen princess daughter of 👑 Jaehaerys you are referring to is shy Princess Daella Targaryen who was the mother Queen Aemma Arryn Targaryen from "House of the Dragon". She had an abundance of potential matches . . . over 17 of them and the Sea Snake was among them She did indeed lament that he was more interested in maritime pursuits than courtship with her. The Old King should have offered Princess Viserra Targaryen to the Sea Snake when she came of age at 14 but she had no selection whatsoever of potential matches unlike her older sister sadly 😢.
@thegreatpage59125 ай бұрын
@@cliffordrose4335 The Viserra match make sense, I could see that. She would have been around the same age as Rhaenys. Trying to pawn her off on the old nearly dead Manderly lord, who already had multiple heirs of his own was odd especially coming from Alysanne of all people.
@kjellduteweert92625 ай бұрын
Heleana and Jacaerys what if.
@rexrivers22205 ай бұрын
Biggest up vote
@matheusdemello23235 ай бұрын
YES! By the time Viserys died, they would’ve had kids that Heleana had in canon.
@theuniquerina5 ай бұрын
Agree
@mollydaughterofduck14845 ай бұрын
I think this only works if Jace has a sister to marry Aegon, in a hostage exchange sort of situation
@rexrivers22205 ай бұрын
@@mollydaughterofduck1484 they have daemon children sadly or Rhaenyra daughter if she lives who most likely would marry Daeron
@akechijubeimitsuhide5 ай бұрын
I always wondered why Daemon had to marry Rhea Royce. Viserys already had a queen from the Vale, they didn't need an alliance with a less important house from the same place.
@REG96AV5 ай бұрын
I always imaged that alyassne what imaging her great grandson with targaryen hair and bronze eyes wearing the bronze armor of house Royce and welding lamenting whilst riding vermethior the Bronze fury. Plus Daemon couldn't marry her daughter Gael who she clung onto until it killed Gael. Jeaherys likely wanted great grandaughters to marry a son of Viserys to prevent the realms reaction to an sibling marriage under a much weaker king. Also it kept Daemon away from Kingslanding and the throne
@bensonfang1868Ай бұрын
Rhea's father was the regent of the vale, so he likely pushed hard for the match
@mollydaughterofduck14845 ай бұрын
In the books, it's sort of hinted that Rhaenys's marriage to Corlys was only possible because Rhaenys asked her father when the two of them were at sea (ie away from court & the King). I always thought that was coz Rhaenys didn't think King Jaehaerys would agree to the match and then was forced to, coz his son had already said it was cool and he didn't want to go back on Targ words. She is the only female dragonrider to ever marry outside the family (even if the Velaryon's are pretty much kin). (I think this is a major factor in why Helaena marry Aegon II (and why they so young when it happens). Helaena is riding dreamfyre by the time she is nine or ten, former mount of Rhaena, another Queen-who-never-was of times past. You can't then marry her to a Lannister without worrying about eventual dragonriding westorsi coming to revolt against you.) I think the only way Rhaenys marries Viserys is if King Jaehaerys or Queen Alyssanne get there first and propose the match, making the two of them fall in line behind Prince Aemon (skipping Balon all together, he's a good Hand after all) and securing the Targaryen name for future heirs. Then Daemon marries Aemma later than when she was wed in canon & hopefully this helps her produce more living heirs. Becoming a mother at 13/14 is no good for anyone
@aarondemiri4865 ай бұрын
Jaehaery's dropped the ball more the older he got.
@ryanandutan28145 ай бұрын
What if Alicent accepted Rhaenyra's offer of marrying Jace to Helaena?
@Laramaria25 ай бұрын
Yes! I was thinking about it yesterday! If Rhaenys was married to Viserys, there was no one to go against Rhaenys and her claim to the throne! I was like "Why. The. Hell. They. Didn't. Do. It?!?!" 😂
@lisaevans23895 ай бұрын
Viserys was already married to aemma
@Laramaria25 ай бұрын
@@lisaevans2389 as the video says, Rhaenys and Viserys could have been married before she married Corlys and before Viserys married Aemma.
@movieloverfan185 ай бұрын
What I have often thought is that Viserys instead of sticking his head in the sand and pretending a problem didn’t exist, he needed to call another great council. He named Rhaenyra his heir when she was a child and before Aegon was born. He made lords swear to her. Lords that in the following decades got old and died themselves, leaving new lords who had not sworn that oath. He calls all of the lords together, tells them who to vote for, and makes them swear publicly right there. That way there is no disagreement about who is the heir. Also once he gets so sick that he is bedridden, he could abdicate and watch his successor crowned.
@emilyguerrero25575 ай бұрын
My only concern is that I believe the Maesters are responsible for Aemma's trouble with miscarriage and infant death. So that would now happen to Rhaenys.
@Stay_Zerose5 ай бұрын
I always believed that it was due to the fact that they got married to young, with Aemma being like 12 at that time and her initial pregnancies causing her to have damaged reproductive organs (as happens in real life) I am pretty sure its supposed to be a commentary on child brides. Also the Maester theory doesn't really work out because Alicent had 4 children, and while she is a hightower the children would still be Dragon riders which would in the eyes of the Citadel be just as dangerous
@emilyguerrero25575 ай бұрын
Yes, but the Hightower is deeply connected to the Citadel and the Sept. The Maesters killed the dragons, according to Marwin, I think they wouldn't see Alicent's children as threats, instead they would be assets. After all, they all did pretty much exactly as they were told.
@arunakoyanbron8927Ай бұрын
Contrary to your belief, the masters adviced viserys to NOT consummate his marriage with aemma cause she was TWELVE and it would greatly harm her body. Viserys however, immediately needed to have a child to contest with rhaenys for the throne, so went ahead with it anyway instead of waiting for a few years that resulted in aemma's poor reproductive health. Not everything is a maester conspiracy. The original Viserys just happened to a shitty and selfish husband
@chris10180d5 ай бұрын
YESSS!!! I've been waiting for this what if and you've pretty much hit it on the nose. I would like to add that instead of being thrown away to Lord Manderly, Viserra could've married Corlys since she's three years older than Rhaenys.
@rubenfigueiredo42295 ай бұрын
make a what if Aegon V didn't die in The Tragedy of summerhall, and had managed to hatch dragon eggs, let's say 3 dragon eggs to make it interesting, how would that change history from that point o,n with no one dying in summerhall and dragons returning to the world?
@lancehenry19365 ай бұрын
This is a good one! I’ve honestly thought about this same scenario before.
@rubenfigueiredo42295 ай бұрын
@@lancehenry1936 thanks man
@likemossIgrowonyouАй бұрын
I absolutely need to see your take on "What if Rhaenyra married Otto?" Because, personally... 1) She does it out of spite. "Oh, Alicent married my father? I'll marry hers!" sort of deal. 2) A big "fuck you" to Daemon over leaving her in the brothel. 3) A giant "fuck you" to her father. "Take my best friend? I'll take your Hand." 4) Otto is a second son, who already has several grown children. There's no conflicting claims for Rhaenyra's children. 5) He also knows the ins and outs of politics in Westeros. With Rhaenyra not knowing anything like that, he's a perfect foothold. 6) Before Aegon was born, Otto preferred her to be heir over Daemon and advocated for it frequently. 7) Why would Otto, second son, inheritor to nothing, scheming, slimy snake he is, settle for being Hand of one king, grandfather to another, when he could be king himself if he knew that was an option? King consort, but the deal stands.
@Kyuubi0475 ай бұрын
What if the Starks were brought into the Targaryen family and were given dragons because of Aegons prophecy?
@seth_fitzgerald5 ай бұрын
People say that the Targaryens follow Agnatic Law but if that was the case then why didn’t they allow Rhaenys to be Queen? A daughter’s claim comes before the uncle i.e Baelon.
@Sisyphus-rq5ew5 ай бұрын
I think you mean cognatic agnatic is male only decent
@pergos15 ай бұрын
What would happen if Rhaenyra died from her wound on Driftmark due to infection?
@nessawalls5 ай бұрын
What if daemon was hand for viserys
@ourovermelho235 ай бұрын
AKA the dance happened because Jahearys was sexiest and Viserys was kind but weak to see people around him wanted things from him all the time
@Maegorthecrueltargaryen5 ай бұрын
What if Viserys upheld the kingslaw and had Corlys Velaryon executed for treason after starting the war in the stepstone's This is what he should have done as by aegon the conquerer's own law lords cannot wage war without the kings permisjon.
@maishaahmed9155 ай бұрын
The Stepstones are not a part of the Seven Kingdoms. Does the king's law pertain to foreign lands? Also, the Velaryons did have a good reason to fight in the Stepstones, the piracy was getting out of hand.
@Maegorthecrueltargaryen5 ай бұрын
@@maishaahmed915 still going to war without the kings permisjon is highley treasonous and Viserys already had a solution by negotiating with the other free cites to take down the traiarchy Thus no westerosi man need die even bloodraven would agree with this plan.
@0predaking05 ай бұрын
Then poor Rhaenyra
@Maegorthecrueltargaryen5 ай бұрын
@@0predaking0 there might be another marriage alternativ in the form of Qorion Martell thus uniting dorne with westeros and winning Rhaenyra a very strong ally
@joshuaadams65655 ай бұрын
He never really “started it”. They started to steal his ships and goods, they also abducted men and women. He just finished what they started. The going to war law is kinda only about Westeros. The step stones aren’t apart of Westeros at this time.
@atella39412 күн бұрын
Daemon's issue with Rhea is also down to the Valyrian-superiority complex. Aemma may not be a pureblooded Valyrian but she takes after her Valyrian heritage appearence-wise and she's still the daughter of a Targaryen Princess. Given his only other option for a Valyrian bride is his aunt, Gael Targaryen, who Alysanne was extremely protective of, I think Daemon would be pretty pleased with the match.
@UnsoberPhilosopherАй бұрын
In this scenario, I'd imagine that Aemon and Baelon would've planned to marry the two while they were still children. The 2 fathers were really close with each other and even today, it's not uncommon for 2 friends to link up their children. Also, Aemon was married when he was 15 and died when he was 37. He should know that it's unlikely he'll have a male heir anytime soon. Even if he does get one, it's not close to Rhaenys' age so the best match he can make for her is with Baelon's son. He also should know that marrying Viserys to Rhaenys would've made a stronger claim for her. If Aemon had lived and had been king, he should know that his only heir, Rhaenys, had a weak claim and would cause problems for her once she becomes Queen. The lords of the realm would prefer his male next of kin "Baelon or Viserys" over her. Having them marry would have solved this issue since the next male kin that they want to be King would not want to usurp his wife's (or daughter in law's) birthright. The rest goes the same as in the video. Once Aemon + Balon dies Viserys gets the throne since Jaeharys is still a misogynistic prick.
@amberklaire94195 ай бұрын
Not sure if already done, but Viserys and Laena. Waiting until she was old enough of course.
@browniebear5 ай бұрын
He explored that one already
@phil.moloney29805 ай бұрын
OK this is a what if I never saw coming, but I have a bigger question will you do a part 2 of the what if Deamon and Rhea had a son, because I really what to see what would Maegor targaryen second of his name the bronze dragon do in the dance, also I think he would marry Laena.
@Maegorthecrueltargaryen5 ай бұрын
It would be interesting if he would wield Lamentation the royces valyrian steel sword.
@martinspacil51005 ай бұрын
Please What if Aemond died in Drifmark part two What if Rhaenys burne greeans part three
@kishoreprasadnagarajan69925 ай бұрын
Your take on Jaehaerys the Conciliator is unfair. When Maegor the Cruel died, the rightful heir to the throne was Princess Aerea Targaryen. She was the eldest daughter of Aegon the Uncrowned. Eldest grandchild of Aenys I and the named heir of Maegor. Yet the Lords chose to crown Jaehaerys. That is a precedent. If Jaehaerys had named Rhaenys his heir then that precedent would have been used to start a war.So he name Baelon. The second time, when Baelon died, he called the great council. Since it was the Lords who chose him, he let the lord's decide. They chose Viserys. To say Jaehaerys did not think about it is laughable, considering how good a King he was.
@jordanb87123 ай бұрын
I havnet read the books but in the show i love the relationship of viseryes and rhaenyes. They had nothing but it seemed like mutual repsect for one another, and neither held the doings of the great council against one another personally
@SpongeWatchesАй бұрын
What if Rhaenyra didn’t try to pass her sons off as Laenors? And instead named them Jace, Luke, and Daemon Waters
@7eddiii5 ай бұрын
saying viserys killed aemma is just wrong childbirth killed her it is a queens duty to deliver heirs even when my mom watched this she said she wouldnt even need to be forced her childs life comes first even if its just a small chance no question
@dianamdzin92185 ай бұрын
What if Aegon (youngest son of Baelon) lived? how would the dynamic between the brothers be with Daemon now taking the role of an older brother like Viserys is to him? I see Aegon being married to Gael tho, the last son and last daughter.
@lautaromahealani82795 ай бұрын
What if Jace lived?
@ChristianZavala-u2k5 ай бұрын
WHAT IF THE YOUNG DRAGON LIVED (side videos that should be made: what if jaime was never born, what if torren stark never knelt, what if there wasnt any dragons Edit: love yo vids keep it up hb
@darkphoenix33475 ай бұрын
lets say in total Viserys and Rhaenys have 9 children together 6 girls and 4 boys, 7 of them claim or hatch dragons Aemon and has an egg placed in the cradel, dragon is Seasmoke, Alyssa has egg in cradel egg doesnt hatch so she claims Dreamfyre instead, Aegon egg in cradel dragon becomes Sunfyre, Visenya no egg in cradel claims Vhagar instead, (you know, you know) twin boy 1 Maelor becomes a maester no dragon twin boy 2 Bealor also becomes an arch maester but still has the dragon Vermax Vaella still born, Daenerys dies 3 days before first name day, Elaena claims Syrax Jaeheala had an egg plced in cradel dragon hatched but died not long after. (p.s if im being too ambitious please tell me).
@martinspacil51005 ай бұрын
What if Daemon became king after Jaehaerys dead ( in this time line Viserys died before Jaehaerys and not have any kids)
@joshuaadams65655 ай бұрын
What if Rhaenyra went to Rooks Rest instead of Rhaenys? What would happen to team black in the aftermath?
@jordanlane8704 ай бұрын
What if young griff or aegon hatched a Dragon
@Cici-ho8mc5 ай бұрын
We need a "what if Rhaenyra and Alicent were lovers" or "what if Jace and Helaena were married"
@Cyanduck4854 ай бұрын
8:30 Henry the 2nds marriage
@imember73755 ай бұрын
What if rhaenyra offered her own eye in place of luke