What If Russia Won The Crimean War?

[@possiblehistory]

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[@concept5631]

Did you forget about Sardinia's involvement in the Crimean War?

[@thomaspaine3394]

I love your alternative history videos, please make more.

[@skeletonkeysproductionskp]

Brilliant video, cant wait for our collaboration this week!

[@ThetaCholchici]

I have a suggestion: What if the German Empire had never been a colonizer? Bismarck strongly opposed colonialism for his whole life because colonies were expensive and undefendable (history proved right both) but for diplomatic and internal reasons he allowed it. I would like to hear more about Africa in general though.

[@concept5631]

@@ThetaCholchici The map has more blue and red on it (France and Britain).

[@misterbean4059]

You’re single-handedly saving the alternate history community.

[@guardianevan8406]

What does he do different?

[@rihno4046]

@@guardianevan8406 he doing alt history not geo politics like other channels

[@concept5631]

​@@guardianevan8406 He isn't a fascist like Z and -zvalid or whoever- Zvallid.

[@KameroonEmperor]

@@guardianevan8406 he actually does alternate history

[@Michael_De_Santa-Unofficial]

​@@concept5631 Zvallid? The guy who made the "How Germany could've won WW1." video?

[@Ulmicola]

Here's an underrated POD: what if Italy had unified as a federal state in 1848, rather than as an unitary state in 1861?

[@alexzero3736]

This would need the Pope to be kinda leader of it. Sardinia and Two Sicilies were the most significant powers among Italian states, and last one was heavy influenced by the Pope. Maybe co- Rule of Charles Albert and Pii 9?

[@Ulmicola]

@@alexzero3736 That's what quite a few thinkers actually wanted, back then. And it was the Pope's sudden change of heart that sunk the whole thing. An even more niche POD would be for the brief alliance between the Duke of Modena and revolutionary Ciro Menotti to endure, in the 1830s. There was a whole, hare-brained scheme to put the former on the Italian throne after a series of revolts engineered by the latter.

[@JB-bb1bh]

You might even see the weird thing of federal Italy getting pointers and inspiration from the United States who got it from Rome. Each Italian state would have conflicting laws and much more local like the Holy Roman Empire or modern US states. Could see pope in an alt modern-day being basically a more politically stronger British monarch, think like most president in Europe or USA vice president. He is much more as a face and tourism and soft power like British monarch. Yeah you might see him flex it once a lifetime but popeman likely wouldn't. See USA vice president being a tiebreaker vote being relevant.

[@Ulmicola]

@@JB-bb1bh One of the main theorists of 19th century Italian federalism, Carlo Cattaneo, had Switzerland and the United States in mind - in fact, he moved to Switzerland later on in his life - so it's likely that a federal Italy would've resembled something in between them, except there would've been quite a lot of variety in the forms of government of the individual states, with monarchies and republics under the same flag.

[@ShadowSkryba]

Oh yes, I really want to see that! I'm not really sure why such a diverse country with many urban centers and languages ended up as unitary.

[@lordavy7469]

I like how you actually make realistic scenarios instead of just making ludicrous claims about how something ridiculous could have definitely happened, and when you do make an unrealistic scenario for fun, you make it clear that it is unrealistic.

[@InfernosReaper]

It would be nice if other such channels would do that. I actually had one reply to me in a comment saying that the scenario in their video wasn't supposed to be serious, but never once in the video did they even imply that.

[@georgios_5342]

One thing which wasn't mentioned is Greek participation in the war. Greece, a newly established kingdom, with large claims on Ottoman territory, was unsatisfied with the British position of supporting the territorial integrity of the Ottoman Empire. As soon as the Crimean War started, armed insurrections began in Thessaly, Epirus and parts of Macedonia, with support from Greece. The revolts saw success, however attacking the Ottoman Empire meant that Greece was indirectly on the side of the Russians. Britain initially offered Greece the Ionian islands and small adjustments in the borderline in Thessaly to stop supporting the rebels, however Greece declined, and the British fleet blockaded Athens, landing troops in Pireas. This also led to a plague outbreak. Greece backed down due to pressure from the British and the eventual Russian defeat meant that they were in no position to bargain. However, if Russia won thanks to Greek help, that would probably mean that concessions would be made to Greece as well

[@Tridentofmemes]

No comments? That's sad

[@ZivDero]

Now here's my suggestion for an alternate history I haven't seen done anywhere. Alexander III, father of Nicholas II, both of whom were conservative, had an older brother who was the original heir to the throne called Nikolai Aleksandrovich. Nikolai, as far as I know, was much more liberally-minded than Alexander, and may have been a reformer just like his father, Alexander II. Unfortunately, he died when he got sick with meningitis on a trip around Italy. If he were to survive, would Russia perhaps be quicker to reform and fare better in the end?

[@aaronTGP_3756]

Now that's an obscure but big scenario. I like the concept.

[@robert9016]

No

[@EEE-1409]

I like that idea. Maybe Imperial Russia would've survived if he did.

[@NickAndriadze]

That's such a good one actually.

[@r2dinoboy166]

What if the Spanish fleet wasn’t destroyed by the storm?

[@lesdodoclips3915]

Easy, it wasn’t. The Spanish fleet was routed and THEN hit by a storm.

[@bernhardjordan9200]

That's a good one because it was Iberian union times. The ramifications are amazing

[@emilianohermosilla3996]

The video of "what if there wasn't a long peace after napoleon" and this video should be paired together. Great video as always!

[@stargazer-elite]

You gotta love possible History they are the best alternate history channel not only good storytelling but great map visuals as well. Suggestion what if USA and Russian Empire stayed allies or officially became allies becoming great friends?

[@glxyzera7532]

ah yes, posable history

[@stargazer-elite]

@@glxyzera7532 sorry about that dang autocorrect at it again

[@glxyzera7532]

@@stargazer-elite lmao dw

[@puzanfish7705]

How are you 20 hours ago even though the video is only 18 hours ago

[@glxyzera7532]

@@puzanfish7705 because yoy didn,t refresh the oage most likely

[@ChefTommy.0]

In a few year I think he could be one of the most subscribed alt history

[@LOLE_Editz]

True

[@huyanacapac]

Great to see the much more sophisticated approach of your channel! I had already given up alternative history since it often was like: "If country x would have won that one battle, half of the world would forever be under its control." You are a good contrast to this ignorance!

[@samwakley250]

Thank you for the realistic alternate history man!!!

[@Karkafs-Desiderium]

You make great alternate history videos. The crimean war is often ignored, i am thankful you didnt ignore it.

[@zooman_AFL8984]

Good job possible History! Sorry I cant always text in the comments but good job! ❤

[@Ulle2419]

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[@СтепанАлексеев-у8к]

Я с тобой согласен, подобное мнение вкладывал под канал ПослеЗавтра, так там на меня набросились, что аж противно стало

[@AmirSatt]

И всем защитникам отечества со всех уголков мира

[@alexzero3736]

What if Russian Empire didn't send troops to help Austria fight Hungarian uprising? Also, What if Austria let Hungary go ( Let's say Austrian Emperor accepted the Crown of Germany in Frankrurt)

[@juliandamen9804]

Favorite moment of my Saturday's: PH releases a video

[@charmyzard]

2:37 was the biggest jumpscare I've had in months. Much kudos for making sense of Europe's historical fear!

[@ПухляндскаяИмперия]

Europe's historical fear is imperialistic wishes of Germany, Britain and France.

[@jackhardy3905]

It is a Western fear tgis good bring peace to eastern europe finaly

[@hendriktonisson2915]

What if Charles V gave Netherlands to his brother Ferdinand instead of his son Philip? Spain lost a lot of men and resources trying fight constant Protestant rebellions in the Netherlands. Without the Spanish Netherlands Spain could've concentrated instead on the Mediterranean area conquering territories in North Africa and perhaps liberating Greece from the Ottomans much earlier.

[@Geshiko-GuP]

well this is much more tame than mr z's scenario thats for sure. with him it made russia into the superpower of the world...this is more..realistic..damn im REALLY liking this channel!

[@englishtwister]

This was a pretty good video, and a good watch and very well researched as well.

[@ЙованДобройевичь]

Very unique approach to this POD Good job!

[@Somebody8370]

Great video 👍

[@richmondmemedepot7180]

Possible History be like: This video is a fucking banger. Drop it.

[@gasbasman]

Interesting but turning a pyrrhic loss into a pyrrhic victory is most likely going to have minor changes. But a interesting video nonetheless

[@sylkabe6780]

I've discovered your chanel just days ago, and I must say that I realy enjoy your work ! I feel like it is much more tamed and researched than other alternate history youtube creators (*cough misterZ *cough) and I hope you keep on the good work ! also, if I can give some idea ! What if Moism replaced confuscianism during the unification of China What if the Majapahit empire unified What if the technocratic party won the 1936 americain elections What if the socialists plan of continental strike at the begining of ww1 had been respected

[@aaronTGP_3756]

Mohist China is an interesting abstract alternate history timeline.

[@gocool_2.0]

Thanks a lot for making this video. I have been asking for this scenario for a long time. 👍

[@newguy8288]

It’s a cool and tame scenario to think over, really nice. For something way more radical in terms of consequences I wonder what would’ve happened if the Novgorod with its republic-psudeo government united Russia instead of the Muscovites

[@QuidVictoriamBIS]

Congrats, you just gained 1 more subscriber !

[@johnnadolny3470]

Me too, just found. YOU GUYS RULE

[@Huminahumina465]

Tbf about your last point, this is entertainment. Obviously they’ll go for more out there scenarios/results since it’s fun

[@Kaiser_von_Europa]

can you do what if germany was united by both prussia and austria under a diarchy of both of them

[@dengronebaronen5260]

What if France won the Italian Wars.

[@roborex6]

Found out your channel a few days ago and after binge watching a ton of your vids I just want to say, keep up the amazing work!

[@Predanator99]

Nice and realistic. Keep it up!

[@krisp1871]

Kinda sad this video didn't really do anything, but really enjoy your priorities on keeping it grounded and respect for realism in AH. Think there are a lot of German-centric AH that are extremely decisive in either direction like: What if Friedrich III didn't die and remained German Kaiser for a normal lifespan? What if France won the Franco-Prussian War? What if Prussia lost the Seven Years War?

[@Arranus]

I love this channels videos!

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

What if Britian, France and Austria sought to keep the balance of power by partitioning the ottomans (so power grows somewhat evenly), as they think direct rule of ex-ottoman territory is a better buffer to overagressive Russian expansion and intervene on Russia's side resulting in a massive winn agaisnt the ottomans but a long drawn out peace deal. I think this is a potential option, after all the partition of poland had already happened twice, britian and France were imperialist themselves and the ottomans were already seen as very weak. But if nothing else is a fun scenario to try and guess the post-partision borders and diplomacy.

[@mayakstudios7292]

Если бы мы выиграли Крымскую войну, то Балканы бы намного раньше освободились от турецкого гнёта

[@Yralan]

Если бы Англия и Франция не "помирились" против единого "врага", то РИ легко бы победила ОИ( флот уже уничтожили). РИ забрала бы проливы и освободила балканы( скорее всего, там бы сидели наши люди у власти)

[@Hlebnyjhleb]

I have been researching this topic, and for most of the people who talked about Crimean War it was seen as like "If Russia won it would be a global superpower!!". But, well, as described here, it wasn't really truth. Anyway, i have seen an opinion that if Russia won Crimean War, than it would modernize even worse than our own timeline. Anyway, good work, really liked it.

[@scottbrick9918]

Great videos mate, one on the best channels for alt history on YT

[@eugenioderevell3826]

It would be interesting to look indept at the wars of secesion in hispanic america and to make alternate history scenarios about it "what if the vicerroyalty of peru repulsed the independentists" "what if the spanish monarchy fled to the americas" are some good ideas

[@JohnMcCain08]

History will regret you like John McCain.

[@gavarrmm]

Alexander Hamilton is the best musical.

[@yagyanshsingh3309]

Man Russia sure does look evil in that thumbnail

[@MrTrickFM]

I agree with this scenario, but it's not enough to stop at that last map. *The interesting things would start to appear after WWI* - would the Bolsheviks fight to incorporate Romania and Bulgaria into Soviet Russia? Would Turkey have stayed neutral in WW2? *Would Germany have invaded the USSR in WW2 without the Romanian oil fields covering the fuel demand of the Wehrmacht?* *Would Stalin abandon the prospects of expanding to the Turkish Straits* (promised to the Russian Empire in *1915* according to *Constantinople Convention* but withdrawn from the negotiation table after the regime change in Russia) *like in our timeline?* This last question relies on the previous one, i.e. 'Would Turkey have stayed neutral in WW2?'.

[@JJLGamingNL]

Hey man. I'm also a Dutch KZbinr (~1200 subs) with a huge interest (and minor) in history, and love for alternate history. Love your work! Let me know if you want to do a collab. We could play a Paradox game or just do a livestream answering alternate-history questions from the chat. If not, that's fine, I'll certainly stay subscribed!

[@theoheinrich529]

really have to agree with your statement that one event does not necessarily mean a make-or-break scenario for large powers

[@level98bearhuntingarmor]

Ngl Chistian British and French teaming up against Christian Russians for the sake of Muslim Turks is frustrating but that's the cult of the Ballance of Power for ya

[@TheInforment519]

I genuinely love your channel, keep up the great work

[@chrisgarbutt1893]

My suggestions for an Alternate History Video What if the Albany Plan of Union Succeeded? or What if Canada and the rest of British North America (West Florida, Caribbean islands, Etc.) joined the American Revolution.

[@00martoneniris86]

What if the Sith Empire won the great hyperspace war

[@Burgermeister1836]

Idk if he would do any fantasy/scifi althist, but the biggest result of that is no Nathema Ritual or Second Sith Empire under Vitiate. The Sith Empire is a major power, but still nowhere near as strong as the Republic now that they lost the element of surprise. The only real benefactors here are the Sith species, since they aren't genocided at the end of the war by the Republic. Naga Sadow continues to rule until he dies naturally like Marka Ragnos, continuing the Sith Golden Age for another century or so. After his death Vitiate might be strong enough to take power, but he is much less powerful with no Nathema Ritual and would at least partially be kept in check by the Sith Council.

[@unnamedshadow1866]

What makes this event actually interesting is that Russian influence on the Balkans, basically prevents WW1 from ever happening. A more influential and powerful Russia in the Balkans would have no need to cause unrest. And the Austrians wouldn't be able to expand past Croatia into Bosnia and Serbia. Meaning the Balkans would've become Proxy Vassals of Austria and Russia here. Meaning the territories would be more homogeneously divided, prevent cultural and civil unrest. Also most of the Slavs in the Balkans preferred to be under Russian influence than Austrian Influence. Specially because this Austria is not yet Austria-Hungary, meaning it hasn't even considered reforming their government.

[@zachkahle1007]

Love your stuff dude, keep it up

[@hudazores]

As a history person, your KZbin channel is always the best❤

[@ivanvarela-pan4682]

What if Central Powers focused first in Russia?

[@taso2510]

Great video!

[@megalodon3655]

Next two videos if the ottomans won the siege of Vienna 1683 and the siege of Vienna 1529.

[@lukapetrovic4823]

Loved the video, but I have one issue, as Russia wins the Crimean war could it have made Russian population less angry and therefore stopping the Assasination of Alexander and modernising and liberalising Russia further where Alexander III wouldnt be able to undo everything that his father did.

[@aaronTGP_3756]

Alexander II was never killed due to the Crimean War loss, or anything related to it. He was killed for being too careful in his reforms.

[@zephyrna6249]

In my wildest dreams this alternate timeline sees Romania erased and Hungary never loosing Transylvania.

[@DK_Doug]

0:08 is it me or do I see no no Germany

[@robsch21]

Don’t now what you are talking about, the orange border is just the German Confederation

[@Thewoors]

Germany only came after Prussia one the Franco Prussian war

[@Thewoors]

Before WW1

[@jasonthomasmt]

Good video bro, but you didn't touch on what would happen to Alaska?

[@dengronebaronen5260]

What if Sweden won the great northern war.

[@Corazon-y5k]

it took all russian north-west

[@aboutforeverr4976]

Cool vid bro

[@Anton43218]

Why would Dobrudja be cut in half?

[@monemperor1559]

great vid

[@italo_mongol_ball]

Fun fact sardina joined on ottoman side in the crimean war aswell

[@VadimPetit]

Great Video ! What are you using to make the maps used in your content ?

[@DriedMuffin-qk6tv]

Great realistic video

[@Testimony_Of_JTF]

Great video man, unfortunely I think it might get nuked by the algorithm for mentioning Russia :P

[@qyyllamas8889]

Maybe Russia can left most Balkan to Austria for exchange of Constantinople in Russia. Once this city under its control it’s impossible for them lose it out. They are willing to do everything for this holy city of orthodox.

[@gunterxvoices4101]

The blessed timeline 🙏

[@memorymeme51]

Sure.........

[@00martoneniris86]

What if Germany Romania Italy Russia attacked declared war on Austria when Austria declared war on Serbia in World War 1 What if tsar simeon qonquerd Eastern Rome Byzantium What if the first crusade was focust on Spain What if the Rashidun caliphate qonquerd Eastern Rome Byzantium in the First Arab invasion

[@hendriktonisson2915]

Or what if the Fourth Crusade was focused on Spain?

[@springlink3188]

I love the eyes Austria-Hungary has in the thumbnails

[@hs5312]

I have an idea this could be done in 1 or 2 videos or a series the idea is what if you took an extremely great ruler and made them incompetent and on the other side take an incompetent or average ruler and make them as prolific as alexander the great, napoleon or Aurelian

[@catalyst9955]

the one big change I can see from this alternative timeline is the possibility of moldovia not being landlocked

[@amk4956]

So the charge of the light brigade was for nothing... wait no, it was always for nothing

[@alexungureanu6574]

I think the biggest change in this timeline is that Romania never forms or it does very late,even tho a lot of people deny, Romania was somewhat of a big player in the region later.

[@LouisMcK]

love this vid

[@pawedobrosz152]

You kind of missed the possibility of Austria and Russia striking a deal. Because it was possible, aspecially in terms of Realpolitik - Austria just needs to be compensated elsewhere. If Russia promises Austria let's say Silesia and Bavaria + support in Italy in exchange for Ottoman collapse, then it's a golden deal for Austria and it deffinatelly should take it.

[@LudicrousTorpedo]

Can you make a video about the Handmaid’s Tale ?

[@NothingSerious...2]

"Russia understands that there is a need for balanced politics" Wrong. Tsar Nicolaus was treating this war as a crusade against the ottoman empire. Before the war, he was trying to sway the brits and ask them to partition the empire with them. He was also very naive in diplomacy. Nicolaus was a great soldier but nothing more. He was respected by his soldiers, especially since he led the army in the 1830s campaign but he was too naive for modern diplomacy and too trustful. So i think that they would rather take danubian principalities and Kars not because of their diplomatic gain but because of their weak push. Hard to take Istambul and half of Bulgaria, when you haven't pushed into it. Not to mention that Austria literally threatened Russia that they will attack them if they cross Danube river. That is the reason why the war was going mostly in Crimea, because the 1st push that Russians made had to pull up, due to that threat. (tho worth adding, that A-H empire wasn't able to finance their army as much, so the threat was a gamble) So I agree with your conclussion in 7:08 but not exactly with the way you went to it. Also with the Ottomans loosing Crimean war GB and France could have earlier decided to partition the empire. in Our timeline it happend only over 20 years later. Lastly in Ottoman - Russian war of 1877-78 Russia got Kars etc. but since in althistory they already had it, it is possible they would have pushed further into Armenia. This in turn could weaker the general Armenian pressence in empire and thus lighten the conflict. Because of it there is a possibility that the Armenian genocide would have never happend or it would be at a far lesser scale. It would also change the frontline of ww1 - Russians could have pushed further since they wouldn't have to go through mountains of Armenia. Thus later Turkey would have been even weaker. It's hard to say what would have happend - that is the main problem of alt history, it's like parahistory. by changing one important even we really cannot say what would have happend. Great video tho.

[@jaxxinator5999]

What if the Byzantine empire survived til the modern day

[@kimraijmakers3726]

Nice job

[@kremlkritiker2158]

Good Video

[@Sergio1Rodrigues]

excelent!

[@sebema6117]

Could you do a what if alexander the great reincarnated in 1920 and became greek king so he could fight ín the greco turkish war and ww2. It would be cool to see how he would reform the greek society and economy. What I mean by this is alexander is born into the greek royal family in 1900 and becomes greek king in 1920

[@hendriktonisson2915]

If this Alexander had the same education and environment in his youth as other early 20th century Greek royals he might not have made decisions very different from the actual Greek monarchs of that time period.

[@pauljohn7315]

What if nadir shah never went insane and never blinded his son

[@banebriggs7486]

Here’s an idea I don’t see a lot of people talking about: what if Taft won the 1912 election instead of Roosevelt, or Wilson, I would like someone to talk about it, however, it isn’t the most realistic scenario. I wonder how he would view World War I.

[@korakys]

I like that most of the time you have a map on screen.

[@abdurrehmannasir5963]

My therapist: Four eyed Austria is not real don't worry about it Four eyed Austria: 4:15

[@hookplay7229]

Wow so funny

[@abdurrehmannasir5963]

@@hookplay7229 thanks, didn't think anyone would find it funny but I am glad you do. :)

[@hendriktonisson2915]

What if Russia lost the Crimean War with even more worse results with Sweden, Prussia and Austria-Hungary attacking and taking territories from Russia during the Crimean War?

[@СергейКопыл-х3м]

If Russia won that war it does not reformed, not abolished serfdom, not begin industrialisation and not reformed army. So to 1870-1890 it would lost Turkish wars and cannot annex Buhara and Kokand too . And finally Japan freely occupy Far East Russian territory.

[@dino99videos46]

Finally I can enjoy alt history without having to worry about the channel having horrific takes.

[@GeneralGrievousCIS]

How or if WW1 comes about here might be changed if the independent Balkan states are essentially Russian satellites. Austria-Hungary would have to think a bit more carefully about the dangers of Russian intervention with a much longer prospective frontline opening up immediately in the east. Russia aligned Bulgaria would also mean a lack of Bulgaria in the Central Powers, so in theory you could see Serbia holdout longer and continue to be a pain for Austria if the war does otherwise break out in the same fashion and see the same alliances form. It's not a huge change in the dynamics of the war, but it may make the Balkans a bit more difficult for the Central Powers to deal with on account of the lack of Bulgaria on their side. Allied Bulgaria would also create a threat for the Ottomans, in terms of its potential to seize what remained of their European lands and push right up to the straights, threatening to shell Constantinople.

[@luckyluciano1584]

Do. what if Bulgaria took Thessaloniki before the Greeks in the Balkan war

[@Desmuu]

Oi! What if the great lakes were one big inland sea? How would that have affected history?

[@TheHatersarebad]

As a subscriber/watcher of Monsieur Z, I feel attacked man 🤣🤣.

[@italiansandvich6]

What if Martin Luther was killed just following the diet of Worms?

[@turquoisemaster6000]

What if WWII ended in a stalemate?

[@alexzero3736]

At what point? There a lot of points of interest in WW2.

[@turquoisemaster6000]

@@alexzero3736 1944, they pushed Hitler back but aren’t able to cross into Germany, Poland is a puppet as with Czechia, Hungary gets Transylvania, southern Italy is free but northern Italy becomes a German puppet, france loses Alsace Lorain and Benelux becomes a German puppet as with Denmark, that’s about what I had in mind although 1944 is the point of departure I would say WWII in this timeline may end in 1946 or 47

[@alexzero3736]

@@turquoisemaster6000 that's unreal... Even if USSR could not push further, USA and it's allies won't accept such kind of submission. Atomic bomb would be thrown on Berlin...and other cities would be destroyed like they did with Essen.

[@pulaPA02]

top 10 anime betrayals : 1)Austria betrays Russia ...