What If France Won The War Of Spanish Succession?

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@shubhanjalshukla3879
@shubhanjalshukla3879 11 ай бұрын
Crazy to see how Spain was once a Habsburg Nation then a Bourbon One and could have possibly had an Hollenzorf king.
@YaBoiBaxter2024
@YaBoiBaxter2024 11 ай бұрын
That'd be an interesting althistory to do!
@piratamaia
@piratamaia 11 ай бұрын
You mean Spain
@shubhanjalshukla3879
@shubhanjalshukla3879 11 ай бұрын
​@@piratamaiaoh yea sorry
@piratamaia
@piratamaia 11 ай бұрын
​@@shubhanjalshukla3879no problem Funny that Spain is the heir to the Bourbon dynasty, having a Bourbon king to this day
@shivanshna7618
@shivanshna7618 11 ай бұрын
​@@shubhanjalshukla3879what u wrote before editing?
@funnyman8542
@funnyman8542 11 ай бұрын
I would love a 'what if everything went perfect for the netherlands' due to the massive empire they held being crushed due to 'bad luck'
@moonshinei
@moonshinei 11 ай бұрын
not quite that but you’re gonna love an upcoming video
@sheep7
@sheep7 10 ай бұрын
I agree!
@DariaDarikhuu-uw2tg
@DariaDarikhuu-uw2tg 9 ай бұрын
id see that
@dblum
@dblum 9 ай бұрын
By bad luck don’t you mean the British taking all their colonies plus supporting Belgium in their independence
@damienc.6448
@damienc.6448 11 ай бұрын
I would be REALLY interested in a continuation of this scenario.
@ryannathaniel9296
@ryannathaniel9296 11 ай бұрын
An alternate War of Austrian Succession and Seven Years War in this timeline would be interesting to explore
@reavdeath5854
@reavdeath5854 10 ай бұрын
Would be good
@quempire2656
@quempire2656 10 ай бұрын
This is why j don’t really like this guy because he doesn’t continue videos or go intk the 1900s often
@johnmcg5865
@johnmcg5865 8 ай бұрын
​@quempire2656 the video is 19mins long... he's already giving you probably close to double what the average is for the genre
@quempire2656
@quempire2656 8 ай бұрын
@@johnmcg5865 Most of it isnt the scenario.
@whocares427
@whocares427 11 ай бұрын
Scenario idea: what if Hitler just failed immediately. The 1940 offensives fail and the second world war is really just a regional crisis that fizzles, not a Great War.
@AmirSatt
@AmirSatt 11 ай бұрын
That was extremely likely to happen
@TheOfficalBiggestBird
@TheOfficalBiggestBird 11 ай бұрын
@@AmirSattye, only problem is France just kinda…declared war then sat there
@r2baz990
@r2baz990 11 ай бұрын
This would have happened if France and the UK did invade Germany when they declared war.
@Wertzuio
@Wertzuio 9 ай бұрын
@@r2baz990 there was a french naval invasion tho. you dont know that because it got annihilated
@Juan-qu4oj
@Juan-qu4oj 8 ай бұрын
@@WertzuioNot the Saar Offensive so what?
@YaBoiBaxter2024
@YaBoiBaxter2024 11 ай бұрын
We shouldn't forget the large Calvinist community in Hungary, which could mean that Eastern Europe may be more open to Protestant Christianity, which could be considered as a threat to the Orthodox/Papal churches and their local influences & powers throughout the Balkans to Russia even.
@pika7592
@pika7592 11 ай бұрын
Hungary would be even more of an "alien nation" in the area XD
@YaBoiBaxter2024
@YaBoiBaxter2024 11 ай бұрын
@@pika7592 ✝️🇭🇺
@genovayork2468
@genovayork2468 10 ай бұрын
Hungary is very far from Eastern Europe.
@AntiFurry927
@AntiFurry927 9 ай бұрын
@@genovayork2468wrong
@genovayork2468
@genovayork2468 9 ай бұрын
@@AntiFurry927 Lol, learn geography. Hungary is in South-Central Europe.
@Theth3
@Theth3 11 ай бұрын
This video gives me a scenario idea: What if everything went perfect for spain?
@notlucas6859
@notlucas6859 11 ай бұрын
i agree with this
@mqdboy9278
@mqdboy9278 11 ай бұрын
Literally a Spanish World Empire scenario
@FBI.capturo.gente.rara.
@FBI.capturo.gente.rara. 11 ай бұрын
Some things: union with the Portuguese empire, invade China, invade Cambodia, invade Borneo, conquer or just Christianize Japan, try to find Australia and colonize it, etc.
@Theth3
@Theth3 10 ай бұрын
@@InsertAccount Then europe would be agreeing that Portugal could take their lands
@ricardoandre7049
@ricardoandre7049 8 ай бұрын
@@Theth3 No cause the treaty only aplied to uncolonized lands. Aka Africa and the americas.
@solelak
@solelak 11 ай бұрын
Back to some more traditional Alternate History content, loving it!
@YaBoiBaxter2024
@YaBoiBaxter2024 11 ай бұрын
Yea, it was getting annoying.
@YaBoiBaxter2024
@YaBoiBaxter2024 11 ай бұрын
I'd love to see a video on if the Iberian Union hadn't been the mess it was and if it had stayed united to fight for Catholics amongst europe! 🇪🇸🇵🇹
@1vangm484
@1vangm484 11 ай бұрын
And maybe without the Hasburgs, with Miguel da Paz surviving as a heir to Portugal, Castile, Aragon (and later Navarre). Only maintaining an alliance with Austria instead of a dynastical union.
@YaBoiBaxter2024
@YaBoiBaxter2024 11 ай бұрын
​@@1vangm484Cool! Kinda like Charles V/Carlos II!!
@aaronTGP_3756
@aaronTGP_3756 11 ай бұрын
​@@1vangm484Yes, that would be more acceptible to the rest of Europe. Especially France.
@minestar2247
@minestar2247 11 ай бұрын
Portugal tried to mess with morroco, and found out the hard way
@GlizzyGoblin757
@GlizzyGoblin757 11 ай бұрын
@@minestar2247and then morocco fell to france anyway
@Fourbix
@Fourbix 11 ай бұрын
I think the idea that France would give half of italy to Savoy rather than creating a new kingdom of naples offsets me a lot. Another thing you didn't mention is that a France with more control over the land could have went into a way larger naval build up, especially under Louis the 14th, wich could have been able to prevent the british to become absolutely dominant in Europe. Also even if i believe that Bavaria will get rewarded, the idea that Louis the 14th will concede the entire lowlands is quite ridiculous to me. In fact in your scenario, France litteraly gets almost nothing out of the war. Literally just a little bit of the alpine fronteer (poor region at the time) and an alliance with little to no guaranties. France doesnt even acquire a part of Lorraine, no catalonia wich was part of France for centuries and could help them control the coast and push back muslim pirates, neither any isles. It looks more like a stalemate than a victory to me, even when considering historical factors.
@erwannthietart3602
@erwannthietart3602 10 ай бұрын
The problem with all of that is that France by that point may have been the strongest single power in Europe by military might alone, but the Spanish succession war happened right after another coalition war which ended in Status quo solely because of the Spanish situation, this is France after essentially 2 decades of British naval blocade, with an economy weary from decades of near constant state of war due to Louis XIVth agressive war and diplomacy aswell as the building of the palace of Versaille which by itself already strain the economy. France didnt seek to extand its land that much ultimately, it sought to become the Hegemonic power of Europe like Austria/Spain was previously which created the Franco-Ottoman alliance to offset this (France being strong enough militarily and economically to stand up to the union, just not winning alone during those days). And this scenario makes it just that, Spain and France will probably unite, Phillip would probably find a way to get rid of Louis silently while Phillip of Orleans is busy struggling with the early days of his regency filled with compromises, and either way the Brits didnt get free access into the Spanish Empires trade, nor too much in the Mediteranean, weakening their growth, while the Austrian Empire is already on the backfoot as an Hungarian independance would make the Bohemian rise in revolt at one point while Hungary itself serves as both a buffer with the Ottomans and a pain in the butt. Prussia now has to deal with a proper germanic rival in Bavaria supported by France (considering the investment Franxe made with its own Germanic ally you can bet itll try to protect it, btw yes likely that France did expand into some border territories in the lowlands but not too much) Spain and France together actually becomes a decent threat to the Royal Navy meaning more investment into the royal navy and less in the army or less foreign support. Yada yada yada
@genovayork2468
@genovayork2468 10 ай бұрын
Because he doesn't know shit about history, that's why. He's an HOI4 obsessed who loses it when talking about anything before 1800. It's sad some say he's the fresh hope of KZbin alternate history. Naples already existed then, in the Iberian PU. Louis XIV was 75 at the end of the war, no way he would've been the one to make any significant change in the navy after the war. Rest, of course, you're right.
@joaquinrodriguez227
@joaquinrodriguez227 7 ай бұрын
@@erwannthietart3602 "Spain and France together actually becomes a decent threat to the Royal Navy " Dude, Spain and Britain were literally on the same level until Trafalgar and the War of Spanish Independence, the idea of Britain as a Hegemonic naval power before that is just propaganda
@erwannthietart3602
@erwannthietart3602 7 ай бұрын
@@joaquinrodriguez227 i never said it was hegemonic i said it would pose a decent threat, because we can only speculate And to its credit, considering the Royal did triomph over the Spaniard and french fleet litteraly less than 30 years later to claim hegemony, granted spain was a bit weaker but it was mainly on the continent. I think it Safe to say in any 1v1 the English would likely win because they dedicated their entire doctrine to naval warfare while Spain still has to keep up with the continental powers. If you however threw in a Trafalgar early without Nelson i doubt they would get a similar result a century early. Either way i was considering future consequences in mind, even if we go by Spain and UK have equal strenght in fleet, France would be the tipping point. Therefore the British would DEFINITLY invest massively in develloping its own fleet further to match it and possibly surpass it, at the cost of his land armies, like usual, if youd like i can always take away decent and it works exactly as intended still
@clementbianchini8651
@clementbianchini8651 6 ай бұрын
@@joaquinrodriguez227moreover you might be surprised but under Louis XIVth France navy was actually the second in Europe below the British one, it was later disbanded to reduced military spending
@dawoifee
@dawoifee 11 ай бұрын
Losing wars often puts pressure on states to do reforms. This might be a Chance vor Austria to do better in the future, rebuild a better military. Also the bavarian Netherlands would propably revolt at some point, because that is what they do.
@genovayork2468
@genovayork2468 11 ай бұрын
No, they did not revolt under 300 years of Habsburg governance, the Catholic Wittelsbachs wouldn't make any difference.
@DonutOfNinja
@DonutOfNinja 11 ай бұрын
Austria would also become a contender for German unification as they wouldn't be held back by the Hungarian nobility
@genovayork2468
@genovayork2468 10 ай бұрын
@@DonutOfNinja You say it like it was impossible for Austria to unite Germany in our timeline.
@DonutOfNinja
@DonutOfNinja 10 ай бұрын
@@genovayork2468 it was definitely impossible during the 19th century because the Hungarian nobility feared giving the Germans so much power
@genovayork2468
@genovayork2468 10 ай бұрын
@@DonutOfNinja You don't know what "impossible" means.
@achaeanmapping4408
@achaeanmapping4408 11 ай бұрын
I would guess that Hungary would have also conquered Croatia, due to it historically being a part of the Hungarian crown and the strategic importance sea access Also, I don't get why France would seed so much in a treaty with the British, surely with Austria knocked out of the war, they could turn their eyes towards firstly retaking the Lowlands and secondly gaining their natural borders down south without making Savoy, an enemy state, able to threaten them by gaining southern Italy
@winsonzhu4427
@winsonzhu4427 11 ай бұрын
I think my biggest issue with this scenario is Savoy getting Sicily and Naples, while being an enemy of France during a French victory. The thumbnail gave it away, but imo it’d be far more likely some distant relative of the French royal family gets Naples while Sicily goes to a neutral Italian power that isn’t landlocked like Savoy is, such as Genoa or Tuscany. (Assuming no major dynastic ties between them and one of the belligerents)
@ryannathaniel9296
@ryannathaniel9296 11 ай бұрын
@@winsonzhu4427 Genoa is a republic, so there wouldn't be any dynastic shenanigans if they took Sicily
@GeneralYen
@GeneralYen 10 ай бұрын
The study of the historical war aims of France shows that this scenario was quite possible. France knew they could not annex the Spanish Netherlands, and that the Spanish could not protect them. Hence the gift to an ally, the Elector of Bavaria, who was the Governor of the Spanish Netherlands before the War. A strong Bavaria was the most intelligent way of weakening the Habsburg power in Germany. France would have thus more gained with that solution than taking "Belgium" for itself (which was unacceptable of both GB and the Dutch). However, I'm not sure the Italian scenario is realistic. I think they would have taken Savoy-Piemont and given Milan to the duke of Savoy in exchange (it was one of the French proposals) ; but Naples would have been kept by Spain ; losing both Milan and the Netherlands was already quite difficult to accept for Spain, which did not have the same interests than France. The French interests were to use the undefendable Spanish territories to bargain and increase their power and weaken their enemies'.
@genovayork2468
@genovayork2468 10 ай бұрын
Correction: Hungary *maybe* would have *tried* to conquer Croatia. 1) Succeeding is at the alternate historian's hands. 2) It had been Habsburg since Ferdinand I's first war with Süleyman I, so I don't see why you set the imperative.
@andryuu_2000
@andryuu_2000 6 ай бұрын
​@@winsonzhu4427in this timeline france remained on france side
@joebone9421
@joebone9421 11 ай бұрын
You should do a scenario on what if Europe had a naturally occurring high-calorie crop. Like, what if the potato was naturally occurring in Europe
@whocares427
@whocares427 11 ай бұрын
As with most changes, Roman Galactic Empire is the most reasonable result
@beepbop6542
@beepbop6542 11 ай бұрын
​@@whocares427Quite the opposite. High yield low effort crops would strengthen less centralized but still agricultural states.
@arvaakuka8568
@arvaakuka8568 10 ай бұрын
@@whocares427 Europe conquered the world with the power of dairy, not crops
@Davidman69
@Davidman69 11 ай бұрын
Scenario idea: What if the Polish seized the Russian Throne?
@erickromero5638
@erickromero5638 11 ай бұрын
Scenario Idea: What if Venecia united Italy with their greeks domains?
@locusbellum
@locusbellum 11 ай бұрын
what if everything went perfect for the austrian empire
@AmirSatt
@AmirSatt 11 ай бұрын
It would mean more funny jaws
@ryannathaniel9296
@ryannathaniel9296 11 ай бұрын
@@moonshinei 🤣
@nicbahtin4774
@nicbahtin4774 10 ай бұрын
It can't It's imperfect by design
@MewG0D
@MewG0D 11 ай бұрын
love your videos man, keep it up!
@meisbaconyay7
@meisbaconyay7 11 ай бұрын
I keep seeing your videos on recommendations. I feel like another channel is going to my favorites
@HighPeakMapping
@HighPeakMapping 11 ай бұрын
I’ll never get tired of these videos
@YaBoiBaxter2024
@YaBoiBaxter2024 11 ай бұрын
Aside from the joke ones.
@ShadowSkryba
@ShadowSkryba 11 ай бұрын
Please continue this! A Germany formed by three rivals would be fascinating
@lmpeto94
@lmpeto94 11 ай бұрын
Savoy: *losing war to France* Also Savoy: STONKS
@danielsantiagourtado3430
@danielsantiagourtado3430 11 ай бұрын
Great video! The bourbons would have fallen! Suggestion: Everything went perfecto For Austria AEIOU!
@MrSomervillen
@MrSomervillen 11 ай бұрын
This is truly such a good scenario. I would love a part 2, of an alternative 18th/ 19th century based on this outcome
@genovayork2468
@genovayork2468 10 ай бұрын
It's a braindead scenario done by a HOI4 obsessed.
@andryuu_2000
@andryuu_2000 6 ай бұрын
​@@genovayork2468 hoi4 is set in 20th century not 18th
@genovayork2468
@genovayork2468 6 ай бұрын
@@andryuu_2000 Exactly.
@them.m.sgamer8017
@them.m.sgamer8017 11 ай бұрын
Scenario idea here too: what if Kaiser Wilhelm 2 was raised by his grandfather Kaiser Wilhelm 1.
@kgius7434
@kgius7434 3 ай бұрын
When I saw the title: "Didn't they win this war?"
@knackiechan4011
@knackiechan4011 Ай бұрын
Yes they did, it's a weird Ango assumption to think they lost it. And it's not the first alternate video on KZbin to have this take about the Spanish succession war. The Bourbons literally won the succession crisis and transform Spain into a relatable allie for all wars coming after this one until the French revolution. That was a huge European geopolitical shifting in favor of France
@wildviper
@wildviper 11 ай бұрын
The Bavarian Empire will be instoppable
@dengronebaronen5260
@dengronebaronen5260 11 ай бұрын
What if Sweden won the great northern war.
@YaBoiBaxter2024
@YaBoiBaxter2024 11 ай бұрын
SECONDED!
@stargazer-elite
@stargazer-elite 11 ай бұрын
Yes
@davea6314
@davea6314 11 ай бұрын
All automobiles on this planet would only be Volvos and Saabs, and the only music available would be ABBA and Swedish folk music. It would be a criminal offensive not to eat your Swedish meatballs... Lol 😜
@YaBoiBaxter2024
@YaBoiBaxter2024 11 ай бұрын
@@davea6314 🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪
@MoroccoCountryballs
@MoroccoCountryballs 11 ай бұрын
That would change nothing. Sweden is doomed from the strart.
@JDubs1464
@JDubs1464 2 ай бұрын
Something else to note is that this was concurrent to the Great Northern War and multiple leaders actually wrote to the Swedish king Charles XII stating that if he made peace quickly, he could decide who was the next king of Spain. He did not do this
@Moonlight-vc7yh
@Moonlight-vc7yh 11 ай бұрын
Nice video 👍
@PizzaChess69
@PizzaChess69 11 ай бұрын
Video idea: What if everything went perfect for Italy?
@Stefan0R8
@Stefan0R8 11 ай бұрын
What version of Italy?
@theholyduck07
@theholyduck07 11 ай бұрын
there is a similar idea being worked on by 'possible history' which takes place in an alt-history world where italy was competent through ww1 oogh
@TheOfficalBiggestBird
@TheOfficalBiggestBird 11 ай бұрын
@@theholyduck07Italy wasn’t really incompetent in WW1. It’s just trench warfare in the alps isn’t going to be easy for any nation competent or not
@KainDestinedAscension
@KainDestinedAscension 10 ай бұрын
​@@TheOfficalBiggestBirdmfw the 69th battle of the ionzo river
@TheOfficalBiggestBird
@TheOfficalBiggestBird 10 ай бұрын
@@KainDestinedAscension yeah, trench warfare in the alps
@simsportif
@simsportif 10 ай бұрын
"What if France won the war of spanish succession?" /Proceeds to put France in an unfavorable stalemate, gives her little to no gains while granting its enemies all of the concessions/ The most baffling part is the spanish netherlands. Louis XIV spent his reign trying to conquer them and now that he's in a (supposedly) strong position he'd willingly abandon the prospect? nonsensical.
@andryuu_2000
@andryuu_2000 6 ай бұрын
England wouldn't make it possible
@josephernst709
@josephernst709 11 ай бұрын
Looked up potosi, the city from that one picture. Why what a ride that was! What a cool city
@NelsonDiscovery
@NelsonDiscovery 10 ай бұрын
This is a much more interesting timeline than we live in, with Savoye and Bavaria in stronger positions of power than they were at this time. I quite like the Prussia of the south idea.
@lama99654
@lama99654 11 ай бұрын
I had an idea for a scenario, what if oil was never found in Arabia/the Persian gulf
@Mr_OogaBooga
@Mr_OogaBooga 11 ай бұрын
YEAHHHHHHHH BABY ANOTHER LEGENDERY VIDEOOOOOOOOOO
@yeeyee5057
@yeeyee5057 11 ай бұрын
Honestly, I'd like to see what would happen if the compromise would actually succeed
@Kaiser_von_Europa
@Kaiser_von_Europa 11 ай бұрын
can you do what if everything went perfectly for austrian empire or what if america was still a british colony but napoleanic war still happens and britain loses it
@whocares427
@whocares427 11 ай бұрын
The problem is that there is no realistic way they hold onto colonial power indefinitely. If they withhold rights they rebel, if they give the vote then eventually the center of gravity changes and America essentially reverse colonises Britain. Eventually you'd have like three American voters for every English one
@MrInkSpot
@MrInkSpot 11 ай бұрын
I say this on every video, but please do a video on What if everything had gone well for the Dutch Empire, where the Dutch become a powerful colonial empire! I would love it! Bedankt!
@skatingfreak1670
@skatingfreak1670 10 ай бұрын
The Dutch weren't interested in colonies or directly administering far removed foreign lands They saw them as too expensive, unprofitable, and would require constant defense not just from the native peoples but from rival kingdoms. It's why they preferred the Dutch East and West India companies and small trading posts that were for the most part established with permission from the host nations.
@MrInkSpot
@MrInkSpot 10 ай бұрын
@@skatingfreak1670 The Dutch still were interested in some colonies that would present a financial gain, or in the case of taking colonies so other nations could not gain the resources there or strengthen their positions in areas the Dutch considered their spheres of influence. In addition, the Dutch were also interested in colonial positions in the New World such as in Chile (where the West India Company attempted to carve out a colonial holding) Brazil, where the Dutch were interested in taking over the Portuguese colonies in order to take the profitable Sugar trade and also New Amsterdam, for both the prestige of controlling a North American colony, and also for the fur trade etc. The Dutch did build colonies, and although they did prefer creating trading posts and making money rather than making an empire, they would not turn up their noses if the chance came to conquer a region and expand the Dutch realm.
@danielsantiagourtado3430
@danielsantiagourtado3430 11 ай бұрын
What if HRE Charles VI son survived and there was no war of austrian succession?
@YaBoiBaxter2024
@YaBoiBaxter2024 11 ай бұрын
Or maybe on if Maria Theresa married Frederick the Great.
@genovayork2468
@genovayork2468 10 ай бұрын
@@YaBoiBaxter2024 From the Baltic to the Adriatic, one PU. It is interesting how that would factor in with the Franco-Austrian entente after the war of our timeline. When could this have taken place?
@Tiex2248
@Tiex2248 11 ай бұрын
Please do a part 2
@Yomesto
@Yomesto 11 ай бұрын
scenario idea:what if the british tried to hold onto dunkirk during ww2.
@ash-vs6tr
@ash-vs6tr 11 ай бұрын
I think that the greater German idea is more likely to succeed with Austria being annexed too
@thenamesianna
@thenamesianna 11 ай бұрын
What if the Safavid Empire defeated the Ottmans during the reign of their first Shahanshah ?
@genovayork2468
@genovayork2468 10 ай бұрын
He was Shah, not Shahanshah.
@KaiHung-wv3ul
@KaiHung-wv3ul Ай бұрын
Defeated how? I can't really imagine them taking and holding Anatolia, much less the Balkans.
@trogil775
@trogil775 11 ай бұрын
What if Habsburg wins the war of Spanish succession, completely roll over France and install a puppet in France as "Spanish France" (Very creative name, ik)
@GeneralYen
@GeneralYen 10 ай бұрын
The maximum war aim of Austria would have been to completely seize Spain ; not destroy France. The other powers wouldn't have let them be that dominant.
@genovayork2468
@genovayork2468 10 ай бұрын
@@GeneralYen That wasn't maximum, 😂🤣🤣, what proof do you have for that? (None.) A Habsburg victory with French cessions doesn't mean France being destroyed, lmao. Habsburg aims would augment according to the situation on land. Returning the borders to pre-Nijmegen, pre-Pyrénées, pre-Osnabrück and of course milder combinations of them are valid. Even other lands of the former Burgundian kingdom would've been on the table.
@GeneralYen
@GeneralYen 10 ай бұрын
@@genovayork2468 Yes, the maximum, but the maximum within what was really possible at that time. You don't define a war aim if you know that the rest of Europe will league against you if you take it. It is the standard of the diplomacy of the age to keep his ambitions down, so that one's revendications will be accepted by other states. This is why in the end of his reign Louis XIV had renounced to annex the Spanish Netherlands : he knew it was not viable in the long term for France, because it would be like a permanent casus belli for the Dutch and British. However, a good French war aim would have been to annex Savoy and give Milan to the Duke in exchange (at the expanse of the Spanish...). It was indeed a possibility studied by French diplomats at a time. Moreover, think of Napoleon's "diplomacy" : he destroyed the power of his opponents, so that they always wanted to fight him. Scholars today argue that if he had a softer diplomacy, he would have less dominated Europe, but his conquests would have been more durable. But he was a "all or nothing" guy, at least at the end of his reign. It was not like that during the "Westphalian Era". For the rest of your argument, I quite agree with you, it doesn't contradict what I meant to say : the comment I responded talked about "completely roll over France and install a puppet in France". That's destroying an independent French power, to me, even without a loss of territory. But of course you can think of other ultimate destructions, like you argued.
@genovayork2468
@genovayork2468 10 ай бұрын
@@GeneralYen You wrote things parallel to the question. You unfoundedly said the maximum Habsburg aims would've been fully taking "Spain" (which wouldn't even exist until 1715). You need to prove it. Which you won't be able to because it's stupid.
@GeneralYen
@GeneralYen 10 ай бұрын
​@@genovayork2468 A very well rounded argument, thank you very much. I did bring arguments about what the "maximum war aim" means. But you want "the proof" ? It's simple : the works about the Austrian diplomacy of the age show that their most ambitious declared war aim (sidenote : a war aim being what you declare wanting at the beginning of a conflict) in this war was indeed to put a Habsburg on the throne and to take all the Spanish possessions. This was the point of the WSS. This is the maximum they could achieve because they knew they couldn't have had more. And why ? well, I've already said why in my upper "parralel" comment, as you've said : conquests were limited by diplomacy in that era. Besides, the other allies were very clear they didn't want Austrian hegemony, and when the pretender Charles became Emperor, they became very much reluctant tio put him on the Spanish throne. You can have a different opinion, and I will be pleased to respond to it peacefully, but I beg you to propose arguments, not despise arguments from others, please.
@darthnerd4432
@darthnerd4432 11 ай бұрын
I'd like to see a "What if history went perfect for France" video
@loax966
@loax966 11 ай бұрын
Nice video
@BubbaJ18
@BubbaJ18 11 ай бұрын
Now I wonder if you'll do if Austria won this war
@eagleowl833
@eagleowl833 11 ай бұрын
I was literally watching your "what if the soviet union won the cold war" video when i got the notification for this video
@rufflesoregano8970
@rufflesoregano8970 11 ай бұрын
I'm aware you most likely get plenty of suggestions for videos but I still wanna throw my hat in the ring: what if everything went perfect for greece post-independence. (just a thought ofc)
@skatingfreak1670
@skatingfreak1670 10 ай бұрын
Return of The Byzantines??
@bvillafuerte765
@bvillafuerte765 2 ай бұрын
Good video.
@lorenzodidio493
@lorenzodidio493 3 ай бұрын
PLEASE, A “WHAT IF EVERYTHING WENT PERFECT FOR IMPERIAL ITALY” I NEED IT
@tinyveil
@tinyveil 11 ай бұрын
What if Alexander the Great didn’t die young?
@nicolasrvg3803
@nicolasrvg3803 9 ай бұрын
Bro, France HAS won this War lmao, that's why Spain still has Bourbon kings, until nowadays
@aatishkhank4a444
@aatishkhank4a444 14 күн бұрын
3:40 "this absolute beauty of a man" dutch man, jun 29th 2023.
@wegdhass5587
@wegdhass5587 11 ай бұрын
Scenario idea: What if Harald hardrada conquered England?
@mariasirona1622
@mariasirona1622 11 ай бұрын
What if the soviet hardliner coup in 1991 succeeded?
@goldenfiberwheat238
@goldenfiberwheat238 10 ай бұрын
Civil war
@luckyluciano1584
@luckyluciano1584 11 ай бұрын
Netherlands can't even get a grasp on Belgium in an alt history scenario
@Budah_01
@Budah_01 11 ай бұрын
How crazy is the idea of a scenario where portugal claimed the spanish throne with british support with the intention of forming an iberian union under portuguese rule?
@genovayork2468
@genovayork2468 10 ай бұрын
Basically impossible.
@miguelsilva1446
@miguelsilva1446 3 ай бұрын
​@@genovayork2468the british supporting such a thing is impossible But the portuguese tried a bunch of times to take the castilian throne King Afonso V nearly did it, he probably would have got it if he wasnt so indecive or his son was in charge of the invasion from the beggining he may actually have gotten it There were also a couple other times the spanish throne could have gone to portuguese kings or princes
@Slavic_Gopnik69
@Slavic_Gopnik69 11 ай бұрын
Video idea: What if USSR annexed Slavic countries and became USSSR United Soviet Socialist Republic and none Slavic countries will be established as satellite: Romania Hungary
@vini333go3
@vini333go3 11 ай бұрын
I think in future of this scenario there could be no partisions of PLC. Habsburgs are too weak, and PLC has now ally in Hungary, because this two nations are allways close friends, and have common enemies in Habsburgs and Ottomans. Not to mention that Francis II Rákóczi, leader of Hungarian uprising before that was hiding in Poland. Ottomans still would opose partision as they were in our timeline, cause stronger Russia is never good to them. But lets go back to first half of this century. After Great Northern War and later death of August II Sa(u)s Stanisław Leszczyński is elected as King in 1733. His atitiude was mostly pro France and wanted to centralize state, to make PLC Great Again, but in our timeline intervension from Russia and Prussia made him abdicate and leave the PLC, and go to France where he lived to his death in 1766. But in our new Timeline where France is Stronger and already have one ally in Central Europe (Hungary), Hungary will help Leszczyński and with aid from France Leszczyński will stay on Throne and Reform Country, somthing that August III Failed to do. And now we are in the middle of century, with stronger, more centalized Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth, in Alliance with Hungary and France thanks to mariage between Maria Leszczyńska and Louis XV. If Seven Years War happens in this timeline, Commonwealth will probably stay neutral or aid France, but if Habsburgs were fighting on British side, wich in this timeline is possible, Hungary and PLC will Join on French Side. this would make war on continent little more balanced, but i think we can give victory to Polish and Hungarians in central europe, by the help of Russia, when in the sea, Britain still rules the waves. I think Poland would take part of Silesia from Prussia, or even finaly retake East Prussia if there was some kind of mirracle of Polish warfare. Hungary woud retake Croatia in this war. I thing that it's even likely to happen to king of Hungary to be elected as King of PLC after Death of Leszczyński, but i'm not sure. In Elections of 1769 (Leszczyński dies in this scenario 3 years later, he is a King after all) 3 main Candidates for Polish Throne, Leszczyński's son, King of Hungary and somone from/or backed by Czartoryski Familia, maybe even Stanisław August Poniatowski. What happens after that, is up to you PH. I'm not brave enough to thing about future wars, revolution and napoleon.
@andryuu_2000
@andryuu_2000 6 ай бұрын
Would Napoleon even be French
@dengronebaronen5260
@dengronebaronen5260 11 ай бұрын
What if France won the Franco prussian war.
@MoroccoCountryballs
@MoroccoCountryballs 11 ай бұрын
Nice, but we want a serious version though
@bones6448
@bones6448 11 ай бұрын
What if everything went perfect for Imperial Austria next!
@augth
@augth 11 ай бұрын
France could get the Bavarian lowlands in exchange for helping Bavaria to conquer stuff in Germany
@jansatamme6521
@jansatamme6521 11 ай бұрын
conquering stuff in the HRE is difficult
@AntiFurry927
@AntiFurry927 11 ай бұрын
@@jansatamme6521to much aggressive expansion
@deadbushinwater7446
@deadbushinwater7446 11 ай бұрын
Scenario Idea: what if France never existed (France becomes a sea)
@sosia3107
@sosia3107 11 ай бұрын
Europe improved
@thatsaboat2882
@thatsaboat2882 11 ай бұрын
We should do this in real life
@tibsky1396
@tibsky1396 10 ай бұрын
@@thatsaboat2882 It is the United States influence that is causing havoc in Europe for a long time with woke ideology, or the War in Ukraine at the moment, not the French.
@tibsky1396
@tibsky1396 10 ай бұрын
@@sosia3107 Or fails sooner than expected. It is the Anglo-American influence that is hurting Europe right now.
@videosbyevan
@videosbyevan 11 ай бұрын
Scenario: the Ridolfi plot was successful and England became Catholic again under Mary of Scotland.
@Wertzuio
@Wertzuio 9 ай бұрын
what if the central powers lost by christmas of 1915? (i would imagine way fewer deaths and perhaps a not so harsh versailles, sevres and trianon)
@jenniferanders-katz176
@jenniferanders-katz176 11 ай бұрын
Suggestion idea: I don’t know if this already exist in your channel, but what if Germany never formed
@11conormcloughlin
@11conormcloughlin 11 ай бұрын
What if the Wittlesbach dynasty overtook the Habsburgs.
@bladefox-ik5iy
@bladefox-ik5iy 11 ай бұрын
What if the Von Habsburgs were Protestant?
@vicrai578
@vicrai578 11 ай бұрын
Can you please do "What if everything went perfect for Napoleon"?
@adarshlokhande7653
@adarshlokhande7653 11 ай бұрын
What if east rome collapsed the same time when the West rome did
@ottovoncesar8025
@ottovoncesar8025 11 ай бұрын
What if Philip the second of Spain conquest England.
@fildafernandes4366
@fildafernandes4366 11 ай бұрын
What if sweden won great northern war
@MauventuresMaurio
@MauventuresMaurio 11 ай бұрын
Can you possibly make this secnario:What if Mexico won the Mexican-American war
@givemeawand
@givemeawand 11 ай бұрын
Scenario idea: What if Castile and Aragon has never united?
@victorabadias9167
@victorabadias9167 11 ай бұрын
As an aragonese I would have loved that to happen. The true good ending
@mqdboy9278
@mqdboy9278 11 ай бұрын
@@victorabadias9167nope, te haces castellano y punto ;)
@FBI.capturo.gente.rara.
@FBI.capturo.gente.rara. 11 ай бұрын
Then Castilla would have united with Portugal (invaded Navarra, the kingdom of Granada and Morocco) and formed a huge empire
@bastykino5357
@bastykino5357 10 ай бұрын
@@victorabadias9167 para que? para que aragon sea el patio de castilla y francia?
@aB-of1nz
@aB-of1nz 10 ай бұрын
Obviously we the Catalans would have been far better without those barbarians
@danielsantiagourtado3430
@danielsantiagourtado3430 11 ай бұрын
What if Napoleon III won the franco-Prussian war
@YaBoiBaxter2024
@YaBoiBaxter2024 11 ай бұрын
No German Empire.
@MoroccoCountryballs
@MoroccoCountryballs 11 ай бұрын
That is an interesting idea.
@townsley2
@townsley2 2 ай бұрын
The f..k are you talking about? France WON the war of Spanish succession! It won territories in Spain and imposed Louis XIV's grandson (Philippe V) on the throne of Spain. French Bourbons kings still reign over Spain today!
@Das-ist-k-ein-VIRUS
@Das-ist-k-ein-VIRUS 14 күн бұрын
It was a compromise between the French and everyone else, France wanted all of Spain
@user-vn5vm2fr7d
@user-vn5vm2fr7d 11 күн бұрын
yes but Philippe had to back down on his french throne ambitions and it was more a compromise than a France victory
@UwU-xk5cx
@UwU-xk5cx 5 ай бұрын
This map makes for an interesting war of austrian succession, in a best case scenario for France and Bavaria, when the war breaks out the bavarian lowlands would hugely facilitate a french invasion of the Netherlands, this may cause the dutch to either fall harder and quicker or outright not join the war, the greatly weakened austria most likely wont stand a chance against the italo spanish troops who already posses milan to the south, the franco bavarian forces in the middle and the prussian forces in the north, without the dutch and the austrians the coalition would fail no matter how much money the brits throw at them, and with that defeat and with no humilliation for Charles VII of bavaria he may be able to keep his position as holy roman emperor and king of Bohemia and assert his claims to the german parts of the Habsburg domain, ending the Habsburgs as a serious contestant for german hegemony, after that Germany would turn either into a divided 2 way rivalry between the british supported protestant prussians in the north against the french supported catholic bavarians in the south or the 2 would be content with what they have developing a sense of northern and southern german unity respectively and overall friendship and cooperation seeing as, unlike the Habsburgs, the Bavarians weren't rlly opposed to the Prussians and, unlike the more great power oriented austrians the bavarian leadership was far more invested in arts and culture and didnt meddle to much with policies not involving germany
@le.crusader
@le.crusader 11 ай бұрын
What if everything went right for the kingdom of italy?
@genovayork2468
@genovayork2468 10 ай бұрын
Which kingdom? If it's again the cliché post-1861, better not.
@zyakko82
@zyakko82 11 ай бұрын
Can you make a “what if everything went perfect for x” video for the Ottoman Empire after 1815?
@accountthatillusetocomment3041
@accountthatillusetocomment3041 11 ай бұрын
What if Spain didn't lose Latin America due to the Napoleonic Wars?
@yagoruizendo6863
@yagoruizendo6863 11 ай бұрын
HISPANIC America not Latin america
@Ajolote_comunista
@Ajolote_comunista 9 ай бұрын
Spain no had latín America, they had HISPANIC America
@alegp97
@alegp97 9 ай бұрын
some regions would have claimed independence anymay, but probably later, more slowly, consciously and prudently
@farmonxqc9370
@farmonxqc9370 11 ай бұрын
a great Bavaria that was as strong in the south of Germany as Prussia was in the north gives me a cool alt hist idea for Germany. It is nothing special but maybe Prussia would be dominant and powerful in the north of Germany, Bavaria also as powerful as Prussia but in the south and Austrian empire well in the east I guess. 3 big powers dominating each sides of Germany
@genovayork2468
@genovayork2468 10 ай бұрын
Bavaria was much more powerful in this timeline's 1714 than Prussia.
@megalodon3655
@megalodon3655 11 ай бұрын
Thank your for making this video but you should have discussed France and Spain’s colonial empire and what would the culture and language be in the Americas because I do think that Spain and France would unify but focus more on settling and colonizing the Americas as they wouldn’t be dominant in Europe and you should have discussed what would happen in this alternate world in the 1800s,1900s and the 2000s but thank you for making a video on this topic.
@Dark-cq1sj
@Dark-cq1sj 11 ай бұрын
Scenario idea: What if everything went perfect for Mongolia, starting from the Chinese revolution in 1911 if it would be interesting
@skiteufr
@skiteufr 10 ай бұрын
What if France won the war of Spanish succession ? But France WON the war of spanish Succession. They defended the country from foreign invasion at Denain and won the crown of Spain to give it to Louis XIV's grandson, turning Spain, a longtime enemy of France, into an ally. This was the main French goal
@danielsantiagourtado3430
@danielsantiagourtado3430 11 ай бұрын
Louis XIV: Happy French noises.😊😊😊😊 Austria: cries in german😢😢😢😢😢
@loathecraft
@loathecraft 11 ай бұрын
Every timeline in which Hungary owns Transylvania sucks to live in
@afruitshopowner3307
@afruitshopowner3307 11 ай бұрын
What if the Shogunate won the Boshin War?
@suff8077
@suff8077 11 ай бұрын
Can you please make a video on "What If Everything went PERFECT For the ottoman empire"
@tappyline8666
@tappyline8666 11 ай бұрын
Day one of asking what If the Berlin conference went differently
@quempire2656
@quempire2656 11 ай бұрын
What if Japan avoided a war with the USA
@Autistsons
@Autistsons 11 ай бұрын
What if ottomans join the war of spanish succession on the side of France?
@sahilhossain8204
@sahilhossain8204 11 ай бұрын
Lore of What If France Won The War Of Spanish Succession? Momentum 100
@DonPedroman
@DonPedroman 11 ай бұрын
Now do what if Spain won the Spanish War of Succession
@genovayork2468
@genovayork2468 10 ай бұрын
It was on the same side as France, sunshine.
@Sim4oo
@Sim4oo 11 ай бұрын
What if France won the Franco-Prussian war of 1870-1871?
@rolandzarka5191
@rolandzarka5191 4 ай бұрын
They would have kept Alsace-Lorraine régions. What they will succeed later after the WW1.
@huge7800
@huge7800 11 ай бұрын
Seeing as this is almost as much of a compromise as the real peace deal, it doesn't feel like a "what if France won", but more like a "what if Austria lost". The alt history prompt isn't important if history isn't actually changed, in my opinion.
@mariusceausu112
@mariusceausu112 11 ай бұрын
Will you doing another part were the austrians win
@owain_glyndwr
@owain_glyndwr 11 ай бұрын
What if the Ottomans join in at some point? Wouldn’t that result in a resounding French victory?
@Mr_OogaBooga
@Mr_OogaBooga 11 ай бұрын
What if Spain remained a global powerhouse?
@nicbahtin4774
@nicbahtin4774 10 ай бұрын
Take it, take it all Louis
@Tom-jg9de
@Tom-jg9de 11 ай бұрын
What if you make part 2 to your old scenarios
@Eidolon1andOnly
@Eidolon1andOnly 11 ай бұрын
*scenarios
@Tom-jg9de
@Tom-jg9de 11 ай бұрын
@@Eidolon1andOnly thank you mate
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