What if...? Shutter island

What if teddy wasen't crazy??
The video contains a lot of spoilers and are not recommended to people who haven't yet seen the Movie.
Lets talk about Shutter island, in this video we present different theories and our own theory at what happened in the end of the video (5:30). Enjoy! :-)
Music artist: NoBioN

[@stepantipiev5783]

That's the beauty of the film, you can never be 100% certain whether he was or wasn't delusional. So, you CHOOSE to believe either of the versions.

[@whatifmovietalk]

Yes, we agree with that 😊

[@TruthGuyOfficial]

Not necessarily... there are a million videos on KZbin saying that he was crazy... the overwhelming majority thinks he was crazy... this is the only video i can find where they even make the argument that he wasn't crazy... so I appreciate this video so much

[@jonnywick4611]

To me he wasn't delusional at all I mean if u look This movie takes place in the same time of project paperclip when the US was moving all the niz partys meanly scientists to do are work there had to be people like Teddy. Then who knew the truth and we're going to speak out. This was the US selling you the story of what they actually did I talk to a homeless vet before who said when u know to much n they can't control you will make you believe you're going crazy there's even documentary minute on how they've been faking UFO sightings n had a cia agent talk to the man who seen and record it them to believe it was all government technology n went crazy of himself

[@jonnywick4611]

​@@TruthGuyOfficialyes I see that it's very weird it's like allot of ppl forget all about our history or choose not to Believe if jre pod talk that it was real all the ppl who said he was crazy jumpship that fast it's a lil scary no one Even mentioned r can comprehend the project Paperclip the overall aspect of what we did we literally took the nixs best scientists to build our rockets and everything we mostly use today this move is like a documentary to any soldiers are officials who knew the truth can you decided to stand in the way ur getting bottomized

[@DebraKeyes]

You can be sure ... It's obvious he wasn't crazy.

[@HeyValley]

In all honesty this is what I believed watching the movie I like this timeline far more than the 'obvious' one about him being the patient. It would've been so much better if the director didn't drop so many hints to negate this theory but instead he should've let the viewers decide

[@balabala9570]

No, man, that's the great part of the movie. Even as an outsider, as a viewer only, you know, without being attached or in no way implicated into the movie, you get to belive that he is crazy. I mean, we al have been tricked

[@jjking8577]

Facts and facts. Especially the doctor scene, Anit no way this man learned new information from his own delusions (mind) . They drugged that man . MK Ultra. Great movie tho

[@mylesmarkson1686]

And how about the fact that he never even questioned where his cigarettes came from until Cave-lady Rachel mentioned it? Or how about when Cave-lady Rachel tells him that he has no friends, and then he immediately goes back to looking for his good-buddy Chuck. Apparently, he's not getting through to himself very well.

[@aaronsmith7946]

@@mylesmarkson1686 Cave lady wasn't real dumb fuck

[@joeybolton8661]

I love this theory, and there's plenty of evidence to support it, although a good amount of the evidence is simply wrong. -Dr. Colleen isn't claiming that particular storm was a delusion, he's claiming that there's always a storm involved in the delusion. Since this is supposed to be a final attempt with elaborate role play, it's perfectly reasonable to assume Dr. Colleen planned this roleplay around an expected storm. -the meeting where they're discussing the flooding was staged regardless, the warden told the marshal "Dr. Colleen would like to see [him] immediately" in the scene that led up to that discussion. -Daniels being told to run is a strong piece of evidence, although from this scene it's more significant that all the "insane" patients would need to be coached as to not let slip the marshals true identity, for if the marshal was a famous patient for 2 years it's likely other patients knew his true identity. Colleen would've needed to have faith that these criminally insane people would keep to the story. -The doctor in the cave is also strong, although if the marshal truly was a patient for 2 years and is "highly intelligent" as his file states, it's reasonable to assume he knew this information before his relapse and the "doctor" was simply his subconscious speaking knowledge he'd forgotten. Stronger evidence can be found with the fire and the scene leading up to this encounter. Rats suddenly appear and teddy is found kicking through them which is particularly odd, this scene is likely symbolic of the marshal being a "rat in the maze," a term that was also used by George Noise. Additionally teddy crouched by the fire and was warmed by it, meaning it couldn't of been a hallucination. -you contradicted yourself with the anagrams. Previous evidence stated that the real Rachael solando existed and spoke to him in the cave, which would mean her name is a real one and one that couldn't of been conveniently made up by Dr. Colleen.

[@Christina_Cage]

The only thing in the movie that ruins the conspiracy is where Teddy doesn't know who hes reporting to when he says hes going to file his report

[@joeybolton8661]

what about the fact that 'Teddy Daniels' dreams of his 'daughter' early in the film before he's delusional? He's presented with photos of the exact girl from his dreams by Dr. Colleen. If Daniels wasn't crazy how could Colleen of had a photo of the exact girl from his dreams? Especially since Daniels being sane would mean this girl never existed.

[@TruthGuyOfficial]

I am with you on this... i always thought that he wasn't crazy... and everyone said i was crazy for thinking that haha... your next video could stay with Leo... and do inception... in that one i am convinced he is still dreaming at the end... but most people think he's not

[@whatifmovietalk]

Might do inception at some point, unfortunately fighting with license issues on this video and put content creation on pause, need to clarify if this content goes under the fair use rules or not

[@princessyunyun23]

21/3/24 inception was my favourite movie for a long time but I personally felt the whole movie was a fantasy now. 😔 There was no one can travel into others brains 🧠 to reach the same level of story. Because every individual has their own life story, Leo has his wife turned up all the time, what about others? They will also have lovers turned up in their dreams. Inception is possible the same as shutter island, all just his creative characters ~ now I think inception just Leo his own dream, great movie but I think that’s a dream of Leo himself including the ending

[@Scheport]

I always though this was the truth about the movie, that he was framed, but the overwhelming majority thinks its "obvious" he was crazy so I was never sure.

[@whatifmovietalk]

They managed to create a fine line between the 2 theories, anyway, seems we change belief of whats the real story everytime we watch it, I can imagine that is exactly the dream and vision the creators had with this project. Very cool indeed!

[@mylesmarkson1686]

Yeah, "Andrew Laeddis" being an anagram of "Edward Daniels" could just be a coincidence, but I have my own theory... The first time we hear the name "Laeddis" in the movie is from Delores about a half-hour in during one of Teddy's dream-sequences. Teddy is sleeping on the top-bunk while Chuck is on the bottom-bunk. So Chuck has all night to whisper that name into Teddy's head and infiltrate it into his dreams, and the next thing you know--Teddy has a new person to look for on the island. Now whether there really was a firestarter from Teddy's old apartment that he is looking for, who knows? But if there was, I doubt his real name was Andrew Laeddis. Just like they fed him the name "Rachel Solando" as soon as he made it to the island, they could just as easily fed him that name too. And later when Teddy dreams about meeting Andrew Laeddis (with the big cut on his face), who does Andrew turn into? Why, Chuck of course, obviously doing more mind-control work on Teddy during his sleep (who is also the one who wakes him up). And if you google the last-names "Daniels" and "Laeddis", you will find tons of "Daniels" and ZERO "Laeddis". Gee, I wonder which one was made up? And I don't care how crazy you are--You can't go around looking for yourself without it ringing all sorts of alarms in your head... "Hey, that name sure sounds familiar." And if he had really been repeating these loops over and over looking for Laeddis, wouldn't the doctors simply show him his own badge with his name on it? That oughtta take care of the problem right there--No silly role-play required.

[@eddiedantes7732]

Laeddis isn't compromised exclusively from the spelling of Daniels and vice versa the anagrams use the exact same letters in combinations of the first and last name. That is, the last name Laeddis isn't exclusive to the letters in the last name Daniels, and the fist name Andrew isn't exclusive to the letters in the first name Edward. That's the reason there is no n in Laeddis and two "d"s present. Edward Daniels is a recombination of Andrew Laeddis and vice versa. There could also be several other passable first and last names combinations.

[@mylesmarkson1686]

@@eddiedantes7732 Good point. The whole anagram-thing is beyond silly anyway. I'd like to know of one person with DID who has ever created an alter-ego out of the letters in their name. If the whole point is to distance oneself from their true identity, then wouldn't you come up with a name that is as far away from your own as you can get? You definitely wouldn't scramble the letters in your OWN name to come up with a new one. To me, this is the smoking gun that shows that it was all part of the doctor's scheme... "Hey, if we can get him to look all over the island for people whose names are anagrams of his and his wife's names, that'll prove just how crazy he really is!"

[@bswearer]

How about the fact that he's got the bandage above his left eye from the beginning of the movie? When he's on the boat, he had just started recovering from a FAILED lobotomy. So because of this, they have to drug him and then gaslight him to try and convince him of the Andrew narrative and that he was crazy.

[@whatifmovietalk]

It could be, but that bandage above his eye is a thin conclusion by itself, can you mention anything else as well?

[@jonnywick4611]

Keep posted believe you have a civilized conversation n mindset compare to all thhe ppl eho belive he crwzy we got stick together snince we know the truth lol also they're so many good moves n theories to do like the new Netflix one

[@chrislander2629]

What about the "live as a Monster or die as a good Man" speech...why would he say that and then allow himself to be lobotomised if he truly believed what the Doctor in the cave told him...??

[@whatifmovietalk]

Remember that the speech he was given in the lighthouse convinced him that it was all dilusions, but his final opinion doesent conclude what was real or not :-)

[@chrislander2629]

@@whatifmovietalk Then why start the whole US Marshall persona again before he voluntarily gets up to go and be lobotomised...?

[@whatifmovietalk]

@@chrislander2629 They managed to convince him enough to wish for the lobotomy, he did this to make sure they will go through with it. Dont forget, they convinced and brainwashed him throughout the movie, also, we dont know what kind of pills they managed to make him swallow to mess him up.

[@chrislander2629]

@@whatifmovietalk So you are saying that his wife really could have died in a fire started by 'Laedis' and that they spent their concentrated efforts on convincing Teddy that he was the one who had actually killed her by manipulating him via stories, theories and mind-altering laced cigarettes and migraine tablets...??

[@whatifmovietalk]

@@chrislander2629 There is many theories, I admit, the most likely is what the doctors said. But WHAT IF...? ;-)

[@princessyunyun23]

21/3/24 i disagree the cave doctor is real. Anything with fire 🔥 were created by him. He repeated his actions for 2 years, he can create characters in his brain 🧠 to give him hints to do😔This is the saddest movie ever, the truth was his wife drowned all 3 his kids, he was angry and painful to kill his wife to end her sickness. Himself suffering living in hell so he created himself a new identity. But because this new identity he started to confuse himself also his ability can cause danger to doctors and other patients. He chose to die instead of carry on living in hell with those pain.

[@mylesmarkson1686]

So in this universe, fire does not actually exist? So how might one keep warm outside in the cold then? I guess the-2 could snuggle up together, but you claim she's not real. Maybe he just died in the cold that night, and everything we see after that is what Cawley WISHES had happened? Interesting theory...

[@eddiedantes7732]

@@mylesmarkson1686 But we're assuming he was keeping warm. The camera shows that in the cave he is shaking. The dialogue indicates that it's probably a pharmacologic side effect, but if it's a delusion, then the shaking is probably just a side effect of his being cold and inability to keep warm. Also, we do know that he was prescribed chlorpromazine in the movie and we don't know the body temperature regulating effects this drug may have on his body.

[@adahobbs6479]

Andrew killed his wife, he can't live with himself. He pretends to be insane in order to get lobotomized at the end. Gotta get off this rock chuck was his suicide note.😢

[@princessyunyun23]

21/3/24 I feel the ending was too negative while I watched yrs ago. Hopefully he should get better and start a new chapter of his life. But he chose to die and ended his life. I guess I can understand if he dedicated all his love to his families now only himself alive, he probably felt guilty living on his own. Some people refuse to move on because they prefer remember them 🤔 too sad

[@dougo891]

Dr. CRAW-ley ?????

[@mylesmarkson1686]

His middle name is Creepy, but don't you dare ever call him that.

[@balabala9570]

It's all true until the end. Teddy says in the end to Chuck that whatever happens in the island is not good. And Chuck looks to the bald doctor and waves his head like "no". We did not succeed, he is not crazy. Then whatever happens it doesn't really matter and we don't get to see anyway. Nobody said that Teddy is getting a lobotomy. Yes, there are signs and medical tools but it doesn't show more, so it doesn't mean anything.

[@mylesmarkson1686]

My understanding is that he's headed back to the lighthouse for a quick swim and to play with the toy-guns on the top-floor again. He passed out the first time, so he didn't get the full experience that he was hoping for, and it was time to head back and try again.

[@RuinNationGaming]

he was never crazy

[@mylesmarkson1686]

He was perfectly sane... until he got on this stinkin' island!

[@infiniteplaneofexistence4091]

I think Mark Ruffalo's character says it all. How could he really be a Marshal, if he comes back at the end, as a doctor? Unless he was in on it too, and he really isn't a doctor.

[@tboogtboog8348]

clothes are too big but the patients clothes fit all the staff in one scene were looking at him and the one who said run was laughing so they were messing with him, that doctor isnt real lol

[@whatifmovietalk]

Do you mean the doctor in the cave?

[@take5th]

This’d is not what i thought. Why do people try to make perfect sense of a movie script? What a waste of time. Premise to commence: It Is A Movie.

[@eddiedantes7732]

It's just for entertainment, man, lol, lighten up.