What if SWEDEN won the Great Northern War? ft. JustAGreekHistorian

[@Videntis.History]

Check out Just a Greek Historian: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bYDdnGSIqtaZd7M

[@WhyGamingYT]

Why should i

[@samsammasa2604]

I live in sweden

[@ducksdog9996]

Average danish nightmare:

[@pakhos]

Yeah 😂😂😂

[@Merejiah]

As a Dane, it’s true. Some of my worst nightmares have been about the hellspawn named Sweden.

[@pep-qew]

Average everyone nightmare

[@zellen9012]

Average swedish wet dream

[@mortenpoulsen1496]

Nobody ever thinks about the Swedish empire. 😂

[@justagreekhistorian]

I hope y'all enjoyed the video! This is probably my best one thus far

[@dershaddowclan2913]

Why wasn’t Ukraine freed after they supported Sweden?

[@justagreekhistorian]

@@dershaddowclan2913 The Ukrainian peoples then where mostly Russian, with their language only recently beginning to diverge from standard Russian The people mentioned in the video were the Cossacks, which weren't really a nationality as they were merceneries so really them getting independence doesn't really benefit anyone

[@oldchannelnotusedanymore]

W video bro

[@kostashliopoulos9293]

Πολύ ωραίο βίντεο, προσφάτος σε ανακάλυψα, καλή αρχή. Υ.γ. ωραίο θα ήταν να μεταφράζεις τα ονόματα στα Ελληνικά Augustus= Αύγουστος.

[@dershaddowclan2913]

@@justagreekhistorian here you are wrong, many maps of that time period mention “Ukraine”, Cossacks called themselves Ukrainian in multiple letters and documents

[@Elkulan]

My inner Swedish nationalist came out strong when I saw that title of the video

[@abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwqyz7112]

Same

[@xanderlalla3510]

Omg same

[@filiplorentzen595]

Truly same

[@ppyorii4748]

same

[@Rodluvan]

Is it swedish for everyone or only for swedes?

[@freethinkmafia1672]

Personally, I think holding control over the PLC would be impossible the moment Charles XII dies. If he was smart, he’d solidify an alliance with them and gobble up Prussia directly. A Sweden in control of the Baltic and Northern Germany would be OP, especially if the common Pole or Lithuanian saw them as helpful allies rather than foreign interveners.

[@kylezdancewicz7346]

Especially if you consider the fact that Sweden still doesn’t have that many people. I don’t think a Swedish empire across Germany and into Lithuania could work long term because it would likely just end up fracturing the second a subpar leader takes hold and the empire is put under pressure

[@anvos658]

Oh it pretty much is impossible especially in a timeline where Sweden ignores Polish claims to Silesia multiple times. Not to mention Swedish foreign interference would be a lot easier to rally expelling than Russian, given their not even Slavic and in a far worse position to intervene in time to suppress Poland reforming. Meanwhile Sweden has made itself a pariah state, who is dependent on continued Polish support.

[@Tehkenny1]

@@kylezdancewicz7346 Depends on how long it managed to keep it together. PLC would be a great addition to Sweden as Sweden lacked farmland, with PLC under their control they'd likely solve that problem and their own population could start growing in a signficantly higher pace.

[@kylezdancewicz7346]

@@Tehkenny1 The PLC isn’t under their control. It’s effectively a puppet that is likely to blow up the second they detect weakness. Also when you’re much more reliant on your puppet then it is on you, is that really a good thing or are you just setting yourself up to be their puppet in the future.

[@universum9574]

The problem though is that Sweden and Poland tried to be in a union in the late 16th century, and it did not work very well...

[@Ryz3Gaming]

Love that "Folk i gevär" plays subtly in the background

[@MrShoulder]

Yes, I love that one

[@edhoj]

It’s a nazi song originally

[@filiplandberg6728]

ja helt rätt

[@filiplandberg6728]

älskade den delen

[@datdumbguy1067]

As a Dane, I will give Sweden this. They had an awesome empire and beat the shit out of us and our "friends". But then on the other hand we did conquer them in 1520, just outright. Sweden ceded to exist because of Denmark. If only we didn't commit a bloodbath against the Swedes in Stockholm, then maybe we could've avoided the genocides against the Danes in Scania. Fortunately we're all good and friends now.

[@freethinkmafia1672]

Denmark had its time to shine too, it was just earlier

[@nofuckingclue_]

I'm Scanian, I consider it pretty interesting how similar Scania still is to Denmark. Us Scanians are different to Sweden and usually prefer Denmark over Sweden. I don't usually visit the rest of Sweden, but I travel to Copenhagen quite often.

[@valentinbezdan570]

Genocides?

[@nordmannnorway4777]

As long as we don't talk about ww2, the arguments would be endless

[@jaylonhale5704]

@@valentinbezdan570there have been many many genocides in our history we just don’t talk about them anymore💀

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

As sabaton might say: SEE CAROLUS RISE! 🎉

[@Fafne]

I WAS CHOSEN BY HEAVEN!

[@leeashley1902]

SAY MY NAME WHEN YOU PRAY!

[@ilovejoemama167]

TO THE SKIIIIESSS

[@leeashley1902]

SEE CAROLUS RISE!

[@Riickastleey]

*WITH THE LORD MY PROTECTOR*

[@Jeffrey-dt8cj]

Hey Videntis when are you going to continue the Byzantium series

[@Counterfactualy_no]

Little problen I have with this timeline: Sweden's millitary was in many ways funded by its warring with Russia, Poland, and to a certain degree Denmark through economic concessions given to Sweden when they won wars. Sweden was simply just not populous enough to support a large military without some sort of outside income. I also dont think Russia would just completely give up on the west, if an opportunity presented itself, they would probably strike against Sweden, especially since Poland was under Sweden in this timeline. For those reasons, even though it pains me to say it, I dont think this Swedish Empire could last more than a few decades before declining and eventually making Sweden a more minor power.

[@sircatangry5864]

Prussia had also little population, this hasn't been a barrier for them

[@dualplay5956]

@@sircatangry5864 by the 1800s prussia had a population of 9.6 million, Sweden which did hold more territory at the time only had a population of 2 million, including finns

[@mikeplayz4601]

So… does this mean most of Eastern Europe uses IKEA to get furniture?🇸🇪

[@NelsonDiscovery]

A world where Sweden and Poland-Lithuania successfully united would have been so very interesting.

[@SebiSuper9mil]

We need one of these for Poland

[@amlking]

Great video

[@Videntis.History]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@kraykyle]

I've seen big Sweden after the Great Northern War, but this is SUPER Sweden.

[@LesRealLlama]

W timeline! Need a part 2, although ik it is unlikely. But heck, can hope cant i? 🤷🏻‍♀️ This was a really fun scenario non the less!

[@Firefly-ys1dr]

Can’t wait to watch it. Also Great Videos and Ideas.

[@Iovi_Magno]

Thanks for the translation into Portuguese 😊

[@Videntis.History]

You're welcome 😊

[@Iovi_Magno]

@@Videntis.History 😎👍

[@footballkorvendavid]

The best timeline

[@amlking]

Nice collaboration

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Amazing work! Hope we get another collab with greek historian soon! Hearth please ❤❤❤❤❤

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

YES! Carolus rex! Thanks For this 😊😊😊

[@benjaminobienu5297]

This is a great and blessed timeline where Sweden becomes the most extraordinary power and carves up Russia, and I didn't expect Russia to be called the Sick Man of Europe. Nevertheless, this is a great video; Mr. Vidnetis and Just A Greek Historian did an excellent job on the content. I love the educational and entertaining part of alternative history. Keep up the fantastic work, and please do more collaboration videos like this one! They are unique to watch; I really mean it!

[@klaudioabazi4478]

Keep living in dream world. Reality, Sweden got wrecked, and it's never becoming a great power ever again.

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

9:56 did you forget the war of Austrian succession was about the bavarian monarch claiming to be the legitimate successor over the Austrian and bohemian lands of the habsburgs. Being declared king of bohemia during the war and demanded the title of archduke of austria. Of the anti-austrians win then the lands of bohemia and Austria unite with bavaria, leaving Mt with just Hungary.

[@findingthetruth9381]

The best video on KZbin

[@abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwqyz7112]

så sant som det är sagt!

[@Rikard_A]

This was a defensive war. There was no intention to take more land.

[@Videntis.History]

This is a better timeline!

[@abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwqyz7112]

My respect for you after reading this:📈📈📈📈📈📈📈📈

[@xanderlalla3510]

REAL

[@anvos658]

Not for Sweden long term though though, given this method of staying a Superpower just ensures Poland surpasses them, and has all the tools to turn the rest of Central and Eastern Europe against Sweden, or they just side with Napoleon to remove Swedish influence.

[@niklasekelof7319]

@@anvos658 But that would assume Napoleon Bonaparte I would exist, which would be impossible in a timeline that deviates 60 years before his birth in our timeline. Some other emperor of france or other nation could naturally still be born, but not Napoleon.

[@anvos658]

@@niklasekelof7319 His early career didn't really involve northern eastern Europe and nothing about this likely changes much about France given how shortly before the timeline diverges.

[@SomeItalianAmerican]

I played World Conquest (A roblox strategy game) and i got Prussia and the Swedish Empire into a Personal Union. Would’ve been interesting if something like that were to happen, and then when germany unites, it’d be like kalmar german empire. Pretty cool idea

[@Fenris77]

Great video. 10:12 Forget an alternate 7-years War this is starting to look like an alternate Great War or World War 1?!!

[@justagreekhistorian]

I mean the 7 years' war was kinda a world war

[@Fenris77]

@@justagreekhistorian Good point. But mostly just European nations faught in Europe.

[@justagreekhistorian]

@@Fenris77 yeah that's true but also WW1 wasn't really global either No fighting was done on American soil and either was in Oceania In Asia a wee bit was done but nothing much and in Africa they just overran the German colonies most of the fighting was done in Europe

[@Fenris77]

@@justagreekhistorian Well there was some fighting in Afrika and a tiny fighting in Asia... And the Keisereich DID try to goad Mexico into invading the USA... That latter of course never happened... What I was thinking of this alternate war video was on the alliance system that was very reminiscient of pre-WW1 breakout...

[@Leo-ww5lf]

I personally believe that the outcome of the Great Nothern War would certainly change the Europen stage forever, but the downfall of the Swedish Empire is inevitable. Due to one simple aspect: population. The Swedish Army during the 18th (and for that part, most of history) was incredibly small compared to other great kingdoms. It would simply not matter if they won every single battle to ever exist. They would run out of soldiers eventually. Which is because of the harsh climate the Swedes had to endure. Difficulties in cultivating food and brutal winters to endure. The Swedish Empire was sadly doomed from the very start. Still awesome video! Very interesting to see what could've happened and how despite the severe defeat, a victory was actually feasable.

[@justagreekhistorian]

Yeah I recognize that fact but to be fair it'd be boring to go "Hey guys Sweden won! And oh wait they failed..." For this scenario I went a bit unrealistic for the sake of fun! Glad you enjoyed it!

[@swehumorofficial]

Fine! I'll boot up EUIV and start my 248th Sweden campaign!

[@Follower_of_Yeshua]

"Gud Är Ju Med Oss!"

[@GMemeZ]

Being called a Swede, as a Swede, by a Swede, makes me wanna reform the Swedish Empire.

[@macjonte]

As a Swede, I don’t really like this alternative timeline. I want to see a common Nordic Krona as currency for all Nordic countries. Wouldn’t work if Sweden was too large compared with our fantastic neighbors.

[@macjonte]

@SvenOlof No one is better off alone. ;) Need friends.

[@alkem8272]

As an Estonian I prefer this alternative timeline lmao, would've been probably better for the Estonian population, but in the end we'd never know how things would end in this alternative timeline, maybe sweden would keep its rule and Estonia never gains independence in a way we do now, so perhaps those would be the downsides for us.

[@ethankirsch9786]

I want @LoreDad to try extending this timeline in the future

[@CMVBrielman]

9:53 … Czechmate?

[@justagreekhistorian]

No pun intended lmao, good catch

[@hassaanalisiddiqui3827]

Make a video on the ottoman conquest of Vienna

[@thematrixguy5950]

will there be a part 2 of this video?

[@crownprincesebastianjohano7069]

Carl XII was a great general but ultimately a poor king. He learned like another God of War in the 1800s that Tactical and even Operational successes cannot translate to finalized Strategic success without the use of diplomacy and legitimacy. Had Carl XII played the diplomatic game better, as Gustav Adolf II had, his Empire might have lived instead of rising, and falling, on the battlefield. As it is, he is a hero, though flawed. He needed to be less of a genius and more communicative. He could have won at Poltova but for not communicating his plans better.

[@vicolin6126]

Don't forget that Charles was wounded before the battle of Poltava started, and so he could not participate. He was known to always participate in battle and would often be at the front line. He was Europe's last, true, warrior king. He inspired the troops under his command like no other. So, in part, that is why the battle of Poltava went the way it did. As Sabaton would say: "Rule was left to lesser men, waiting for their chance". Meaning, the king was not in command of the battle, at least not from a position that mattered.

[@niklasmolen4753]

Sweden did not have the capacity to defeat Russia. What could have happened is that Sweden and Russia agreed to a white peace. This could have made Peter so unpopular that his enemies took power. Which meant that Russia was not modernized, and over time weakened and lost.

[@crusader2112]

Love your channel. My Scenario: What if General Wrangel was put in charge of the White Army forces earlier?

[@vicolin6126]

You could make a different scenario with the same topic. After the battle of Narva - what if Charles XII went after the retreating Russians immediately, instead of marching on Poland? I'm thinking he could have possibly captured Tsar Peter and forced him to sign a treaty, or just get rid of him entirely. THEN he went to Poland :) I mean, the only reason Poltava happened is because Charles underestimated the Russians after Narva, and decided that Poland was the priority.

[@bjornf8518]

Why would they destroy Petersburg? It would be much more likely that they would let the city be an administrative center for the region, especially seeing how Sweden had been building forts in the city's perimeters since the 14th century.

[@IVBW-by8lf]

You planning to make a part 2?

[@RaimoHöft]

1632-Ring of Fire from Eric Flint. 🤗

[@gengar-1997]

If I were to make further predictions, I would predict that the French would start to push into Warsaw and Kraków, two major Polish cities, while simultaneously pushing into Königsberg, but the Poles, Swedes and Prussians would start pushing the French back, and we could probably see an alternate peace treaty!

[@daedalus6433]

Apparently the song used in the end of the video (Folk i gevär) is a Swedish translation of the NSDAP song "Do you see dawn in the east", and the song is the anthem of the Swedish National Socialist Party. A shame really, the song is otherwise fine

[@Spqgmatt105]

What’s the name of music playing in the background?

[@loafoffloof3420]

FOR SUPER EARTH!

[@archanarajan7086]

Could you try a video either in the sepoy mutiny or on the French winning some war.

[@Am_fis]

From our history books Karl the XII almost reached Moscow before finally losing. I might just have forgotten something or it's because the video is simplifying the whole war.

[@LoganLS0]

I think the best outcome for Sweden would be if they took over East Prussia. Then traded their other German lands to the Kingdom of Denmark for Norway and a defensive aliance. Taking East Prussia would help keep Poland in line and hinder Germany's ability to mess with Poland. Giving German land to Denmark would prevent the Empire from being over stretched and they wouldn't have to worry about their Western flank. Hopefully the Swedes would keep the Russians at bay while the Poles kept moving South into Turkish land and taking over the Black Sea.

[@Waltis123]

For some reason the title is in swedish for me and it says (this is translated to english) "what if sweden was a supermagnet"

[@Videntis.History]

whats the proper translation? i uploaded these in native languages for other nations but i just used a translation app

[@Waltis123]

@@Videntis.History im pretty sure it would be "Supermakt"

[@theholydu]

it literally translates too "what if sweden was a GREATPOWER?"

[@Waltis123]

whilst that may be true ( i have no idea, i need a Swedish dictionary) personally it sounds wrong to say supermagnet as supermagnet just sounds like a really powerful magnet

[@theholydu]

@@Waltis123 fym magnet what u yapping bout the title says "Tänk om Sverige var en STORMAKT?" unless the title prior was "Tänk om Sverige var en STORMAGNET?"

[@eidoneverchoosen1171]

The british empire would not be happy with a powerful Sweden that could challenge their global hegemony and the balance in Europe.

[@natheriver8910]

Very interesting

[@Videntis.History]

Glad you think so!

[@Magnus-v9x]

The Lion of The North.Charles Xll⚡🇸🇪⚡

[@LesRealLlama]

Here it is!

[@sircatangry5864]

Carl signed a treaty with Hetman Mazepa, so I think he wouldn't just leave it to Russia, after Hetmanate helped them reach Moscow.

[@degamegang8262]

The Russian victory part sounded like such a napoleon move

[@stargazer-elite]

This video isn’t on your homepage did you unlist it? I had it on my recommended and didn’t refresh then clicked now that I got the chance to watch.

[@Pax-Islamica]

W new schedule

[@viktorgranberg4128]

As a swidish man 🇸🇪 i see this as a absolut w 👇

[@maxi2786]

as a swed i must say this passes the ikea test

[@bjornf8518]

There are several criticisms to be made here. Should Charled XII not only live, but win against Russia, seizing territories, there's no telling how that would affect the view on absolutism in Europe. Even France might have avoided the revolution because the Swedish liberty period never influenced their view on, for instance, freedom of the press, etc.

[@oldchannelnotusedanymore]

As a swede I Approve

[@WilmerStenström]

i would like to live in that reality more

[@TheRavenLord1]

I was chosen by heaven, say my name when you pray to the skies, see Carolus rise

[@Videntis.History]

I love that spng

[@TheRavenLord1]

Love it too. Sabaton does good tunes

[@titanics.o.s2101]

Now we need "What if Poland won Great Northern War" Amd why are you doing Vienna RP for like fifth time

[@sahilhossain8204]

Lore of What if SWEDEN won the Great Northern War? ft. JustAGreekHistorian momentum 100

[@taraldomland8657]

I would say though, (maybe it doesn’t mean much), but wasn’t Fredrik the great king of Prussia during the 7 years war? I would credit good commanders some victory factor on the battlefield. Napoleon could still do marvels with smaller and worse armies then his opponents. Napoleon said that Fredrik was better then him

[@Grayg]

The song at 5:15 is a literall Nazi song, it is the swedish translation of the Nazi song Volk ans Gewehr. I hope that this was not on purpose and that you didnt know about this because if you did that would be incredibly offensive

[@Videntis.History]

JustAGreekHistorian replied to this in another comment, he said that he looked up copyright free Swedish patriotic music and it came up. He can’t read Swedish so he didn’t know what the song was.

[@tylerinot965]

Suggestion (Day 4) : What if the Byzantines repelled the Arab invasions

[@Videntis.History]

get it to day 50 and ill make it a video

[@Dennan]

mer hade snusat då

[@joehill800]

Bornholm should've gone to Sweden as well, being that Sweden had a claim on the island and briefly ruled it before losing it in, I believe, 1658

[@oliver_l9028]

Sweden was so close to winning. I think of theese events at least twice a week :(

[@Dr.mandril]

In my next life i want to be born in this universe ❤🇸🇪❤️🇸🇪❤️

[@swedichboy1000]

If only.

[@abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwqyz7112]

Sweden mentioned raaaah!!!🇸🇪🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅

[@MrOats1234]

NGL the UK must be pretty scared... or maybe they'll ally with Sweden

[@tems81]

We was !!.

[@5eyoshi]

I do love old sweeden

[@Caio-sq6yn]

Vai ter parte 2?

[@anvos658]

While interesting Sweden isn't a long term Superpower, as the world industrializes, as there just aren't enough Swedes. This one as well pretty much as well just ensures Poland surpasses them eventually, since they've given them more land and time, while still pissing off Poland about giving Silesia to another German twice. Then add in the Napoleon problem, given the Swedes have made a mess of Germany and its very easy for Poland to side with France, meaning this is likely a GG WP Franco-Polish Alliance victory. Not to mention it would be a far easier sell to convince Poland to back Austria rather than help Prussia, given one of these nations is the bigger problem to Poland.

[@sircatangry5864]

Prussia had little population, but that didn't stopped them.

[@anvos658]

@@sircatangry5864 Which still leads to Prussia becoming a wider German country to remain a super power. Sweden meanwhile has no such luck. Even then Prussia still had to conspire with other nations to remove Poland, which again isn't something Sweden could do, or at least not to the same effect.

[@sircatangry5864]

@@anvos658 Language Germans spoke in north regions was closer to Swedish, rather than one Germans used in South. Whole "German unity" idea was more of Prussian propaganda thing to make the empire united. So Sweden could've pulled put something similar talking about unity of Baltic Germans nations. Why can't Sweden do it though? Prussia rose because both France and Britain in big wars gave Prussia money, so they can raise a big army that distracted everyone in Central Europe from the real conflict.

[@anvos658]

@@sircatangry5864 The road to Swedish Nationalism of North Germany still sounds a lot harder, and runs into problems of Sweden can't successfully partition Poland, out of existence, which pretty much means any dreams of Sweden remaining a super power die in the Napoleonic Era.

[@O-hv6tr]

What is the song name in 10:57

[@justagreekhistorian]

The Hungarian Dance no. 5

[@Zanta183]

My dreams: we are going to swedicia the capital of Greater Swedish empire Others: Uhm okay?? Me: 🗿🍷👌🇸🇪🗣️🔥🔥

[@thorpeaaron1110]

What if the Ottomans won at the Siege of Vienna in 1683?

[@wotan1280]

There was no bavarian King back then. It was merely a duchy.

[@justagreekhistorian]

When Charles reached Prague, he declared Bavaria a kingdom with himself as their king

[@mylifewasalwaysalie]

LETS GOOOOOOOOO

[@kirebub]

I don't see why a Swedish empire with a solid foothold in Europe would be unconcerned with the French Revolution when France has been a good friend of ours. Especially not since the savagery of the French revolution unsettled and rallied virtually every monarch in Europe against the revolutionaries in our time already.

[@justagreekhistorian]

I was referring to the initial stage of the revolution, not yet the madness that it would become

[@hobela8515]

An independent Bohemia ? Nice.

[@BenjaminQuoyeser]

@Videntis.History what if the Scandinavians colonized all of Canada, Alaska and the mainland 48 U.S. states by 793 but instead of being pagan they have created their own church called The Norðr Church? Norðr means North in Old Norse so by 793 the Vikings have a huge chunk of the Americas owning 46.55% of the Americas.

[@Carpediem357]

All embrace me, its my time to rule at last, 15 years have I been waiting to sit upon my throne. & See the white in their eyes. Caroleans are matching on!

[@Pigraider268]

Bavaria wasn't a Kingdom until Napoleon

[@Dr.mandril]

Proud Swede ❤️❤️🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪

[@Deveriell]

Saxony rather than Poland.

[@stargazer-elite]

Something tells me I wasn’t supposed to see this lol

[@Videntis.History]

how did u see this?

[@stargazer-elite]

@@Videntis.History I honestly don’t know I saw that premier up in my feed and I was doing something else at the time, but because it never refreshed I clicked on it and the video was there so I guess because I never refreshed after you took it back down to wait for today I was able to still watch it.

[@00martoneniris86]

What if henry tandey killed Hitler in ww1 instead of sparing him?

[@kaz4184]

wow, so pretty much everything went wrong for poland

[@kumpelcreepf7766]

Realism ❌ Intersting✅

[@deepfriedlostchildren2627]

Pewdiepies dream