What if the Avatar was evil? [ The Last Airbender l Legend of Korra ]

If you love my content and want to support out Supreme Leader Mishka (thank you!) - patreon/discord community: / hellofutureme
Want to stop slavery AND get an awesome t-shirt?: www.teepublic....
Learn more about our channel-sponsored charities:
A21: www.a21.org/ind...
WWF: www.worldwildl...
My SECOND CHANNEL can be found via a link on my main page or at 'TwotheFuture'. Come join us!
Email fanart/fanmail: [e-mail]
Twitter: / timhickson1
Facebook: / hellofutureme
My website: timhicksonyt.com
IF YOU WANT TO SUBMIT WRITING TO BE FEATURED:
timhicksonyt.c...
IF YOU WANT TO SEND THINGS TO ME (address):
Tim Hickson
PO Box 69062
Lincoln, 7608
Canterbury, New Zealand
The artist that designed my display pic! serem01.devian...
The artist who design my cover photo:
raidesart.devi...
/ raidesart
/ raidesart
Credit for the background music I use in a LOT of my videos:
Kevin MacLeod "Music for Manatees"
Stay nerdy,
~ Tim

[@HelloFutureMe]

And so we come to the (almost) final video of 2018. I want to say a special thank you my patrons, and a big thanks to all of you who have stuck with me thus far. I will be taking a break till January, and I intend to work on the On Writing book (2018 edition)! It'll have extra thoughts in footnotes, a detailed appendix, and a little bit of *exclusive content*. I shall let you all know when it is available. So, until then, Merry Christmas, don't forget those who have none, and share some love! All Hail Supreme Leader Mishka, ~ Tim

[@KingoftheKami]

Hello Future Me love your vids man

[@Benjamin-ru2pt]

Hello Future Me my dad likes fruit cake and I argue with him ever year

[@rithm1280]

I feel called out. Okay. Fruitcake is good when prepared correctly. I find it tastes like a mixture between cinnamon bread and rasins. When making it you travel a fine line between making a fruitbrick and a fruit puddle. You just have never had a good fruitcake.

[@richardjackson9584]

Happy Yule , And fruitcake is extraordinary really sweet and sugary and I love sweet and sugary and it's moist so I actually don't have to chew it too much.... I wouldn't say it's bad but I definitely couldn't eat it all the time. And I think is a avatar would to go tyrannical, it would be to have peace. By removing the freedoms of others.

[@Wojjjie]

About light Vs Dark In order to see anything the lights and shades of dark needs to be both present Without light the room is completly dark and you can't see anything Without Darnkness theinfinite ammount of light your eyballs would be burned balance of both is needed to see

[@cadkins0445]

Aang: *Tries to prove his innocence by proving that Kyoshi did not commit murder* Kyoshi: Yeah I did it and I’d do it again

[@mrransom4400]

I think she kills many more people actually

[@ГеоргиВълчев-ы8х]

@@mrransom4400 Read Kyoshi novels and you will see

[@yaroslavivanov9787]

True Jreg reference...

[@nickb8507]

Goofy voice: “I’ll fuckin do it again”

[@StegoAqua]

In short Kyoshi was ready to a b#tch

[@goodguyjosh3142]

I think what makes an avatar inherently “good” is that in order to master all four elements you have to understand the perspective of every nation. And be willing to learn from people who think differently than you. The wisdom of the avatar is from understanding others.

[@emmazig]

So, an Avatar could be evil, but they wouldn’t be as powerful as other avatars and probably not able to bend all four elements.

[@goodguyjosh3142]

Emma Herzig yes or there would have to be a scenario set up where they learn all the elements with out traveling kind of like Korra did, before she left the south pole to learn air

[@calemr]

@@emmazig That'd perfectly set up how they could potentially lose, if a story is made. Which I'd love to see. 4 main characters, each a different bender, working together to defeat an evil Avatar. Could even explore alternative bending via learning from each other. IIRC, Lightning bending is kind of "Water bending done by a fire bender", for example. Thus we could have a sort of twisting to the Avatar's journey to learn all 4 techniques, as our heroes learn from the methods and styles and even philosophies of the other 3 nations.

[@doomraider3771]

This makes sense SO much sense

[@macoconnor4518]

I think the whole point of the Avatar is to be truly neutral.

[@tsinestexicthdauwraum9082]

Aang: all life is sacred. I'm a vegetarian Cabbages: Am I a joke to you?

[@wjzav1971]

MY CABBAGES!!!!

[@phuckEuo]

Underrated

[@minyu613]

I give u my credit card.

[@theshamanite]

*Radishes will remember that*

[@nur0din]

Technically, they're already dead. They were cut and killed when harvested.

[@aprilrain2735]

"That's why Raava ended up looking like a pathetic 6 year olds kite" That had me wheezing 😂😂

[@Chrosteellium]

What if the avatar was born into the fire nation during the hundred year war That would be interesting

[@th3stainedrose]

That wouldn't work because of the cycle tbh. The hundred year war was started by Sozin after Roku's death (because he was the avatar). Roku was obviously born of Fire Nation decent. Even if Sozin still started the war with Roku completely out of the story Sozin would've had to kill Ang, find the next two Avatar born and kill them

[@j2dragon109]

King-Of-Ruin It’s still quiet possible, say Aang died, the water one was killed in a freak penguin sliding accident and that the earth one was killed by the Fire Nation. Voila, you have a Avatar who has to struggle with the slightly facist fire nation indoctrination and how they are their own country’s worst fear.

[@Chrosteellium]

King-Of-Ruin it was more of a ‘what if’ statement Like let’s say Roku was originally a earth bender and only knew Sozin in the same way Aang knew Bumi Then everything would play out the same and when Roku dies the next avatar would be born into the Fire nation during the start of the war

[@lucajustluca8257]

And like is a sarcastic bastard with anger problems. Would be super funny to watch

[@aspreedacore]

@@Chrosteellium FINALLY what if X was the avatar scenario, how about instead of a char being part of X nation how about a what if X char was the avatar!!!! I think ty lee would of made an amazing avatar, yes she can't bend but that doesn't stop ppl from getting bending we have seen it happen with zaheer and others getting airbending. Double posting

[@nicodemusedwards6931]

When used for ill, Peace becomes tyranny. When used for good, Chaos becomes rebellion. Peace within the heart can lead to tranquility, but also stagnation and apathy. Chaos in the heart can lead to impulsiveness, but also creativity and growth.

[@ltchugacast131]

Nicodemus Edwards Iroh? Is that you?

[@valorix3385]

@@ltchugacast131 leaves from the vine...

[@thomasraaberg8400]

Why are there wise words in a KZbin comment. I was expecting something along the lines of “ur mom gay ha.”

[@valorix3385]

@@thomasraaberg8400 ikr

[@dragonman9879]

@@valorix3385 falling so slow

[@Leotique]

Evil Avatar as the main antagonist would be great, the serie should focus on a team of young benders, forming the new generation of The White Lotus.

[@lucitum.world1998]

IF WAN FUSES WITH VAATU, who MANIPULATES HIM.

[@tuani2107]

I want to watch that and see how the world has to fight a villain who is overpowered and thinks he is doing the right thing, but he clearly is not. Also there are many avatars could have a villainous traits are not villains.

[@FireFistAce_OnePiece]

I think a earth avatar growing up an orphan and doing morally questionable things to survive finds out he is the avatar first tries to get a better position in life but gets dragged into politics in a world where the avatar is kind of overshadowed or considered a relic perhaps due to the technological advancements or long term peace between the four nations

[@blobs819901]

Evil avatar wouldn't be overpowered at all, his/her connection with previous avatar would be really weak, and make her/him unable to enter avatar mode, avatar without avatar mode is just a bender with 4 elements honestly, put him/her in a ring against 4 bender then he/her probably will loose easily.

[@o.d.d.792]

It would be interesting like a theory on what if the red lotus succeeded in capturing Korra

[@TheSpearkan]

I've heard one interesting take that the next Avatar after Korra should actually be a pair of twins: One holding Raava's spirit, the other holding Vaatu's after its inevitable rebirth. We could see not only how the "Dark Avatar" has to reconcile Vaatu's twisted ideology and reform it into what it should be, a force to bring freedom, creativity and passion into the world but also how the "Light Avatar" has to reconcile the stagnancy, tyranny and dogma the previous Avatars influenced by Raava wrought. I dunno, maybe a concept to see hypothetically?

[@isabellarue8767]

I have thought about this. I think Vaatu would re-emerge in the avatar and the new avatar would have to find true balance in themselves with both spirits inside them. Maybe since Vaatu took the past lives from the avatar he can give them back?

[@sonictacocat]

Question, would both avatars follows the same cycle (water>earth>fire>air) or would the "dark avatar" cycle be the "opposite" or "opposing" bending (if light avatar is a water bender, then dark avatar is a fire bender) or would a "dark avatar" not follow any cycle as vaatu is chaos

[@TheSpearkan]

@@sonictacocat Hard to say, I'd also speculate that since Vaatu never bothered to approach each individual dragon turtle to give each element the "Dark Avatar" may only be able to bend water and earth: The former from Unalaqs spirit and the latter from the new Avatar. This could either mean the "Dark Avatar Cycle" would only be just yo-yoing from water to earth or it'd constantly be looking for airbending or firebending children to be born to try and complete the cycle.

[@dieselexkore2063]

@@TheSpearkan would it not be only water, because Kora’s Uncle was only a water bender. So it would probably just swap between the north and south pole.

[@khevinpasaway]

I think it would be Avatar Genji.

[@aryamansharma4214]

“The Avatar must maintain the balance.” “Both Raava and Vaatu are essential for survival of the world, both being important.” What if the world was absolutely ordered and peaceful, and the Avatar brought chaos to restore the balance to a more middle-ground?

[@jonh3947]

Like Aang did in the super-ordered city of Ba Sing Se. Allowing their people to be more free.

[@noahdmnc]

Yes. I’ve always found it problematic how Vaatu “HAD” to be imprisoned. That’s not how eastern philosophy works.

[@tabimechner2691]

@@noahdmnc Its because the writers didn't care about or understand eastern philosophy, this is a fucking Jesus and Satan plot if I have ever read one. And I read the lion the witch and the wardrobe.

[@L-S]

Well... Avatar koruk lived in the most peaceful period an he was chilling sooo. No.

[@xavierterrelong9385]

Aang ended the Hundred Year War

[@chickenbeanburritolover1312]

Evil earth bending avatar would be a great show

[@DB-jp3ii]

Yea

[@johnnyneutron1530]

It’s called Reign of Kyoshi

[@rileyfernando45]

Xtra Chromes imagine if kuvira was the evil avatar

[@MJsPepsihair]

@@johnnyneutron1530 she wasn't evil

[@johnnyneutron1530]

klaudio6222 He never said the show couldn’t be a prequel.

[@alvachan88]

"peace can mean oppression." long feng has entered the chat.

[@aliza_h]

TRUTH

[@Icarus_Tactical]

Kuvira is typing...

[@foldup1919]

jocaguz18 Dude it’s a joke

[@darraghmckane4016]

@jocaguz18 there is no war in ba sing se

[@hesterfranks9716]

@jocaguz18 actually it doesn't have to be, oppression can just be the limiting of information in or out of a specific group of people oppression isn't inherently _physically_ violent

[@fabroski7113]

My friend wrote a pretty cool scenario for a evil Avatar where the Avatar got fed up with technology advancing and felt it took away the specialty of bending, feeling like bending is now a unimpressive background aspect in the world so they team up with a dark spirit to follow a path of destruction to revert the world back to a state where bending mattered again (it takes place after tLoK)

[@yellowflametree4238]

I'd like to imagine this happens a few times, which might explain why in 10000 years since Wan the world is somewhat still developing Like at some point humans reached a point of advancement and spirits or plain war pushes humanity a few thousand years to develop again from scratch

[@JabamiLain]

Ok, like everybody else, I know "Legend of Kora" doesn't reach the level of greatness this show reached (which is why I stoped watching it at the start of the second half of season 2). However, I do think it has potential, so I'm working on my own headcanon for it. The main aspect I seek to fix right now ? The big villain of the entire show. A twisted nihilistic manipulative avatar who attempts to return to the world of the living. Now here's the problem. That avatar's alignement is chaotic evil. But I don't know what her plan should be for both the spiritual and material world. So, for anyone here who is a fan of Lovecraftian horror, has played "KOTOR 2" and has seen/read both "Bird Box" and "Anhilation", what do you think her end goal should be ?

[@therealchaosguy]

@@JabamiLain Perhaps she could be trying to merge the two, making death functionally impossible, and resulting in people growing so old and weak (if they were alive before the merge), that they can do nothing to stop the once-dead (People who were dead at the time of the merge) from ruling with an iron fist

[@hotlinesanzensekai7084]

@@yellowflametree4238 I don't think so. If you look at our own history, technology only really exploded some hundred years ago, but human civilization is waaaay older.

[@kingtroll2640]

​@@hotlinesanzensekai7084 yea but from what we can tell from wans time period when he died it should of reached some what modern tech in what 500 hundred or so years the weren't cavemen there were closer to 1500 ce China than spear chucking at mammoth cavemen

[@coolinfinity5297]

An evil Avatar would make for an interesting third series....if that ever happens.

[@matthewmuir8884]

I always felt that, if they ever made a third series, it should explore what it would be like for a sibling of the Avatar, or if it's even possible for an Avatar to have siblings.

[@TheJuanTrueKaiser]

+Cool Infinity Maybe a story where the avatar actually questions the entire function of the white lotus would be interesting. To be honest the whole Red lotus idea could have been a brilliant way to have a more nuanced conflict beyond simply fighting a particular nation. Or how the red lotus were more or less just the "bad guys".

[@Tethloach1]

An Avatar that isn't afraid to actually kill, not evil just harsh and ruthless and selfish, evil would be hard to write.

[@MogofWar]

The JuanTrueKaiser My read on them is the White Lotus are essentially the Avatar universe's equivalent of the Knights Templar. Skeletons in their closet and splinter groups with nefarious aims were an inevitability, and what made them overall force of good was a combination of their full scope being secret even from one another making it hard to subvert the order, and there being several people of incredibly strong moral fiber holding positions of leadership. Gyatso, was the Grand Master of the order during Aang's childhood, and several people Gyatso took Aang to meet were later initiated into the order. Iroh was Grand Master of the order during the events of the Series. This only really came into play when he issued the call to arms... But I digress. The order is fully capable of producing evil effects and even being misguided in good endeavors, such as how they essentially screw the pooch with Korra's upbringing and training. This was partly Katara's doing, as she had an undue influence on the order's activities. How could they have not predicted the conflict of interests there...

[@TheJuanTrueKaiser]

@@MogofWar Where the Order of the White Lotus actually came from would also be an interesting idea for some side series or comic. I could their rise coinciding with particular political developments centuries or even millennia ago, shaping how they could have gone from a public to secret organization. Or maybe they did some terrible things in the past against the avatar. Who knows.

[@theanti-christ2842]

Toph would probably bury him. *"Listen here Twinkle Toes"*

[@1lobster]

Guessing buy your name, I'd say that your a anarchist?

[@mrrevenue592]

And then Avatar state

[@superthorc6894]

The Anti-Christ 😝

[@theanti-christ2842]

@@1lobster Wrong and what the hell does anarchism have anything to do with this conversation lmao

[@theanti-christ2842]

@Jay Well yeah, realistically the Aang could probably destroy Toph. But then again, Toph was highly skilled and extremely powerful, possibly one of the greatest Earthbenders *ever.* That's not to say Aang isn't powerful too. My main point is that Toph was probably one of the most powerful benders of her time in her prime, besides maybe Yakone and Aang.

[@williamsledge3151]

Everyone: the Avatar always does good things *laughs in Dai Li*

[@williamsledge3151]

Yes I know it was accidental but it's still funny

[@rock_slayer-2398]

@@williamsledge3151 kek

[@davidkranenburg2497]

It's like he said TOO MUCH order and TOO MUCH peace.

[@brodimere]

Are you saying, there is a problem with the Dai Li. Why they give free vacation to Lake Laogai, so they can be bad. But seriously for a moment, I wouldnt say the Dai Li is not inherently evil, they was slowly twisted over time, and became more secret police, than just protectores of cultur.

[@australiankappa8123]

The Dai Li became corrupt after Avatar Kiyoshi

[@rjchameni4486]

I would love a morally confused avatar. Or rather morally indifferent. They don’t really care for either. They just do what they need to survive. Think Toph when they first met her. She was very indifferent to the worlds entire situation.

[@kagamiuchihathebeast5862]

*Ozai was a good guy.* 1 - Though the man banished his son zuko he ended up giving him supplies that lasted two years (731 days maximum depending on if their was a leap year or not) and it continued to last for most of the Winter book. Zuko also had enough money to pay the engineers at Zhao's base/territory who repaired his vehicle. 2 - He genuinely was proud of Zuko when he was told a story of him killing the avatar in ba sing se. He hugged his son and helped him up. Even letting him speak in war councils & meeting's. He valued the opinion of zuko & considered him as relevant as Azula. 3 - Ozai saved Zuko from Azula who was chasing him in childhood (is depicted in a painting/portrait which zuko remembers a couple of time's in the series). 4 - Ozai saved Zuko again during his childhood (mentioned by the man himself in a comic named "The Promise" it was on a beach prior to when Lu Ten ever died). 5 - Ozai could have put an end to Ursa's life but he allowed her to remain alive and choose to let her go back to her village, meet her parents and live her life with Ikem, he set his love free & still bravely takes the hatred of his son even though it was all Ursas fault Ozai never blamed her. 6 - Ozai hired a yuyan archer to slay Ikem, but he failed, then instead of punishing or firing the archer ozai gave him permission to get a better job in a private/independent group/organization called "The Rough Rhinos" who ended up being friends of his brother Iroh. This nameless archer got a relationship with iroh, a good job, a identity because of a great human being like Ozai. 7 - The reason he asked Azulon to revoke the birthrights of Iroh is because Ozai knew his brother better than everyone and wanted him to be happier. He understood that after LuTen's death prince Iroh would not be able to rule properly or take up his responsibilities very soon. It would be too much stress for his brother so Ozai solved irohs problem by making a request. 8 - Ozai encouraged and guided Azula in her life, helping her in her problems, giving her the love that her slut of a mother would never give to her. 9 - He did not discriminate against any race, species or gender. Ozai never judges people based on their looks. He judge's them based on merit instead. Which is why Ozai banished his son zuko cause he lacked merit. He allowed women to serve as warriors, guards and soldier's. 10 - Ozai also encouraged Zuko to hit him during their agni kai duel, but zuko refused, if he had followed the order and hit ozai then it is very likely that zuko wouldn't have been banished and instead would still be allowed to stay in the palace despite having a scar and not need to capture a avatar or kill one to go back home. 11 - Ozai gave Zhao many promotions despite his failure, he was the best boss basically, giving his workers many chances and their salary would be raised. He is the nicest person to work for. Ozai let people like admiral chan go to islands for a paid vacation. 12 - Ozai had several chances to kill his beloved brother Iroh (the fat fugck was in prison, helpless) but he was merciful, resistant and cared about his life, he forgave iroh for his crimes and sins and let him have two square meals every day & training equipment in jail. Ozai probably had that young female guard hired to serve Iroh in the prison cause he wanted his brother to be happy. He also probably encouraged his brother to marry again after Lu Tens mom died but Iroh was too stubborn, stupid, ignorant and needed an excuse/pretext for hating his younger, taller, handsome brother.

[@Cashmoneez]

Maybe one that cared more about spirits than humans

[@demidon117]

It almost sounds Avatar Kuruk but if he was more ignorant and/or apathetic

[@DonutMT]

@@kagamiuchihathebeast5862 you are forgetting the fact that 1 - He gave zuko a permanent scar on his eye because he spoke out of turn ONCE. 2 - He tried to kill zuko with lightning on day of black sun.

[@kagamiuchihathebeast5862]

@@DonutMT nice copium u've got their

[@commodoreplus4792]

"Anyone is capable of great good and great evil" Aang, 2010

[@nwut]

not sure that he said that, but you're right tho

[@WoozidanTassia]

@@nwut if I'm not wrong he did, while talking about Roku and Sozin, that Roku was just as Fire nation as Sozin

[@Chips9741]

ExACtly ! my pal Aang said that in the trip at Avatar Roku's ashy land

[@cammy60467]

@@nwut he said it in the ATLA Episode about young avatar tiki and fire lord sozin

[@gaius5901]

2007**

[@totallynameless8861]

Vaatu is the spirit of Goth and Party, Raava is the spirit of Florescents and Office Work

[@JumpyKaput]

Lmao

[@chie970]

Why. Now I agree and can't unsee

[@Atticblood]

What if I'm goth working a 9 to 5?

[@AlakaxamM]

@@Atticblood then you have achieved perfect balance

[@Hewhowantstoknow]

@@AlakaxamM As all things should be

[@Karma-cu7wi]

Y’all ain’t even talking about how aang would’ve murdered the sand benders if katara hadn’t intervened( btw saw da likes thanks never go this many)

[@Alexandrialiving-zk8lj]

Split Central frrrr he was ready he like fuck it lol

[@RideTheGamer]

I thought you said invented for some reason bruhhh

[@bthelegendc4237]

Oh yea i remember, oof

[@xAznSkyxx]

or Zuko for the 10th time in the comics

[@angelb8317]

Nah, did you see the meme where it was Plankton as Kyoshi 😂 I bet she was really inside Aang having a good old time 🤣

[@dotty7789]

I remember thinking about this when Iroh told Zuko that the avatar has to get rid of Ozai or else history will see the event as more royal bloodshed. The avatar is an absolute say in a lot of decisions in their world, it would only be natural for some of them to take advantage of their authority

[@JackOBlades0801]

"What if the Avatar was evil?" if the Avatar was found and raised by someone like Ozai or the Dai Li? Yes.

[@tangerineturtles9551]

I don’t think ravaa would choose to possess them, or whatever you call it, and also zuko was raised by Ozai and he wasn’t evil

[@EpixGaminginc]

@@tangerineturtles9551 Zuko was also raised by Iroh and his mom.

[@malyssaryan1987]

If Aang had died when the war began, and then the fire nation wiped out the water tribe and earth nation Avatars over the course of the 100 year war. It's possible that either Zuko or Azula would have been the Avatar.

[@normaluser6148]

Well if the avatar is the one who's job is to bring balance to the 4 nations, then would the avatar at least notice the fire nation's or Dai Li's ideology or something. Would it be a matter of time if the destiny of the avatar's have changed? Like what happened to Zuko, (although not the avatar) his destiny changed from capturing the avatar for the fire nation into helping the avatar bring peace to the 4 nations?

[@Esc7221]

TangerineTurtles what you said

[@slyninja4444]

The concept of "Yin" and "Yang" is not about good and evil (as western media tends to say). It is simply about 2 sides of the same coin (be they objectively good or bad). Both of which need to be in balance for harmony to exist.

[@SirMarshalHaig]

Hm I thought of Katara and Azula as some Yin and Yang. The warm and friendly water bender with the hidden dark side represented by her hatred for the murderer of her mother and her blood bending and Azula as the not so friendly fire bender with some hints, that there is still good in her, that the Emperor could not destroy. Though in terms of balance I´d say Azula needs a bit fine tuning.

[@Emilie13love]

I agree. It’s all about perspective

[@fairyjuggalo8368]

Kinda reminds me why the hell sometimes God is evil to me... Im natrually a really lucky person, mostly luck is on my side along with intuvition. But i sometimes gotta remind myself that every good has bad in it.

[@mattika]

x TealStories there is no such thing as luck, God has planned everything.

[@fairyjuggalo8368]

@@mattika im pretty sure there are random things, sometimes. Not always lol

[@c-3po648]

Why tf is everyone in this comment section suddenly a philosopher

[@jari948]

Its the music

[@BanditLeader]

Everyone is a philosopher, its just only few people hone and increase their philosophy

[@LamanKnight]

So, you know fruitcake? I like fruitcake. I'll defend it. It needs to be made properly - go light on the molasses, make sure the candied fruits are fresh, not stale, and consider using a recipe that makes for a lighter and fluffier batter - but I do find it delicious when someone has put sincere effort into baking it. There. Was that a good break from everyone in the comment section being a philosopher? ;) Heh heh. Have a wonderful day. ...I won't even put an adage after that statement, either. Cheers!

[@justsomejerseydevilwithint4606]

Because no person isn't a philosopher, nor is anyone actually wise.

[@shinoa_hiiragi_]

😂😂😂

[@ToastedBread11]

Aang: "I've only had to use violence for necessary defence." Me: "what about all those fire nation soldiers who were on the boats you sunk that mysteriously never resurfaced."

[@gufosufo337]

Beating back an invading force.

[@stansman5461]

Do you mean the one at the North Pole? That was just a pissed off Ocean spirit.

[@ToastedBread11]

No, have you never thought about all the ships that aang has taken over or sunk. But he can't have killing the fire on his mind

[@gufosufo337]

@@ToastedBread11 it is a defensive war against an expansionist power. I'd say its self defence

[@ToastedBread11]

@gufo sufo still he can kill moronic fire nation soldiers, but he can't kill their leader, the ultimate moron

[@sparten316]

I still don't understand why she is "light and peace" instead of Light and order. If he is chaotic she'd have to be orderly... idk...

[@plzletmebefrank]

Well, chaos and peace are still opposites.... Though I suppose not quite as fully opposed as peace and conflict or order and chaos. Still. Things can be orderly but not at peace. I think it's going with the idea of being at peace vs being conflicted or chaotic.

[@sparten316]

@@plzletmebefrank I guess it's the context of everything that makes me think she represents order and he represents chaos. If that makes more sense? But instead she is peace and he is chaos which makes slightly less sense to me. The opposite of chaos is order...

[@rock_slayer-2398]

@@sparten316 theres a ying yang spirit doe There just angel and demon

[@IrvingIV]

@@sparten316 I think it's because the story was being told by an unreliable narrator, meaning that what we see is not what literally happened, it's just a memory. In that view, the sudden outburst of dangerous spirits makes more sense, because that's what it felt like for the Wan and ms. spirit.

[@karlkhai51]

@@IrvingIV I'm sorry but that's an awful way to justify bad writing, you can apply that anywhere.

[@KanishQQuotes]

That's what makes avatar a complex character They have so much power hence their decisions could lead to consequences beyond their control Roku leaving sozin alive lead to his own demise Kyoshi would have killed sozin

[@stansman5461]

Roku was going to die on the volcano. Sozin being there just delayed it. According to the novels, Kyoshi gave chances and didn't start with killing. So it makes sense that if she was best friends with Sozin, she'd give him a chance like Roku did.

[@The-bi5ry]

I love this video, because the good and evil is the problem I had with LoK. I feel like if there was way too much peace, there would an avatar that would cause chaos, not necessarily cartoonish villain evil, but to create disorder, which is how avatar Kuruk was in a sense. The reason why no immensely chaotic avatar exists is probably because a world completely at peace is not probable, especially with the nature of humans.

[@jasonmadx]

Yangchen made a spiritual mess which Kuruk sorted out. Roku and Kyoshi caused problems that Aang had to solve, and after that, Aang left his and left some of Roku for Korra to solve. Your theory is coherent to me.

[@ramirogalletti]

Raava is lawful neutral Vaatu is chaotic neutral I hope the next series makes that notion, think about it a scene where Vaatu is speaking about "freedom"

[@moproodu]

SOooooo... Zaheer?

[@samuraiplayz2819]

Aang: "All life is sacred" Plants are alive too, AANG! Edit: I never thought this would spark such an intense conversation🤔. BTW thanks for likes

Vegans&Vegeterians: bUt tHeY dOnT fEeL

[@devshah2939]

@ umm they just eat parts of plants and don't kill them but okay

[@wolfstormwizard424]

lol

[@KillerOfWhales]

@ But they don’t have a nervous system, so...

[@grilionreal]

@@KillerOfWhales But they do react to damage with chemicals, though. Almost seems like they sense damage and react to it, hm?

[@CaptainCraptain]

So I started watching you about 6 months ago. Your analysis and articulation of the content you present is so thought provoking! Just got my “a wizard did it!” Shirt and everyone thinks it’s awesome. Thanks for what you’re doing on here Tim!

[@StefanLopuszanski]

Yep. I hate it when they make things so binary by saying "this is good and this is bad." Having the blurring line and spectrum makes things interesting and realistic. The concept of Raava and Vaatu is fine, but their execution was pretty horrible due to how binary they were and how they impacted the story. It would have been much better if they were "light and dark" but not necessarily "good and evil" -- just different takes on the same idea and, like the yin and yang they present, had more of each other inside of themselves. Also, tying the Avatar specifically to Raava instead of the Avatar being neutral and a force of just spirits in general, really made it seem like there is no true balance in the Avatar world. The whole idea of the Avatar world is about balance. But when the Avatar is inherently "good" that throws out the balance when there isn't an counterpart save for once every 10,000 years or whatever mumbo jumbo they made up. Seems like just having the Avatar be neutral and be shaped by their surroundings would have been much more interesting and useful commentary on life and reality.

[@ThePreciseClimber]

Not to mention they got the Yin-Yang thing completely wrong. Yin, the feminine, is dark, passive, negative, etc. Yang, the masculine, is light, active, positive, etc.

[@ihaveachihuahau]

I mean the original avatar had a pretty low budget and was a nickolodean kid's show, but they did a great job anyway. They could only get so morally grey when the show's main audience was kids originally.

[@themostbritishpersonalive868]

Ok what about the one air bending villian he was not only morally grey but he made me think the avatar might be the bad one

[@nicodemusedwards6931]

Timothy Bell ... no. That’s been a thing since way before Disney in a lot of Star Wars media. Disney didn’t invent the idea of trying to strike a balance, they’re just more consistent about it than the Expanded Universe.

[@Thoralmir]

Meh, Vaatu was more evil from a rational, human POV. Raava's goals seem good to us because they allow human civilization to grow and prosper. Raava also became a human sympathizer. Conversely, Vaatu's influence creates a world of wild, unthinking beasts, an ever-spreading jungle of survival of the fittest, where humans are laughably outmatched. Vaatu also views humans as insects and pawns. In my Avatar fanon, my character, the amnesiac Sun Spirit in human form, ends up living the life of a human, and ends up sympathizing with humans to a far greater degree than Raava: he ends up becoming a hardcore human supremacist, and begins to view spiritual intrusion in human affairs to be an affront to humanity, and spirits themselves as interloping alien colonizers. In his view, the Material World is the property of humans to do with as they see fit. He stubbornly maintains this view even after regaining his memories.

[@chocomiso6641]

You know how we could’ve fixed Raava and Vaatu? Draw them similarly, same color palette, maybe the symbols are different.. and give them the same voice. Good and Evil are similar but never truly done tight visually, it’s often confused with one another, and that;s why I think this idea comes up close with the meaning of good and evil.

[@ziggyrayne7205]

"The Avatar has the ability to draw lines in the sand, wherever they want" Sniffles and slowclaps* Beautiful

[@giantheccinwyvern]

One thing: Raava intentionally fought Vaatu *and stated it was in order to keep balance.* This shows that she was more focused on balance than peace by any means necessary.

[@saber2802]

how is that balance? That's my question

[@falks941]

“Personally I don’t really see the difference.” I don’t know why, but I love this line from Kyoshi. The most badass of all the avatars.

[@0Quiwi0]

The worst thing in Korra was the duality thing. Don't get me wrong. I liked the series, but that Raava-Vaatu thing was like Midichlorians. Didn't need explaining and made things less interesting

[@jibrael5705]

I hated the series.

[@and8091]

Midichlorians communicate with the Force they aren't the Force itself, The Force is still an all powerful mystery.

[@kitcat3579]

@@and8091 we both know you got that information from an extended universe thing and not the moive midichlorians were introduced in and the fact that you had to proves the original poster right because someone else came to the same conclusion and felt the need to add more context to fix midichlorians

[@LadySunami]

I kinda figured it was a story told with a spin... namely Wan's perspective. He bonded with Raava, so of course to him she was the "good" half. In the end Korra didn't entirely take Wan's side. She left the spirit world and the material world connected, a more chaotic state of affairs. She also reformed the bond without Vaatu stuck in the tree, meaning the chaos element will necessarily re-emerge within the avatar spirit itself, and she has essentially bonded all future avatars with them both!

[@and8091]

@@kitcat3579 You definitely don't know what you're talking about.

[@motheraiya]

I was scanning the comments for arguments in favor of fruit cake, and I was very let down

[@F100cTomas]

The only argument in favor of fruit cake is that it tastes good

[@kitsunetailsx9]

I like it because of my grandma

[@Candy_Birch]

Same

[@Candy_Birch]

I was let down

[@helloworld2409]

It taste good and I like sugar

[@Bigmark222]

No one wants toph as avatar because of the Final battle to be 20 seconds long lol 😂

[@WoozidanTassia]

The only thing is that she probably wouldn't use Airbending almost at all because with her personality I kind of doubt she could master it

[@ThyFloorestFloor]

@@WoozidanTassia I also think it would be hard for her to use Airbending due to her blindness and dependance on the seismic sense to see.

[@silverhawkscape2677]

@@ThyFloorestFloor But it would be cool if being an Air bender gave her access it sensing the movement of the air around her letting her see even in the air.

[@TheEventide]

If you look at Raava and Vaatu in accordance to the DnD alignment system, Ravaa is Lawful and Vaatu is Chaotic. Theoretically speaking, Ravaa could very easily be riencarnated into a Lawful Evil Avatar..

[@maxantonio9312]

an equally awesome concept would be a chaotic good vaatu avatar

[@Hexados-666]

A Lawful Evil Avatar, you could argue that Kyoshi fits this archetype very well

[@lenajohnson6179]

@@Hexados-666 She absolutely did not fit any such alignment. Did you read her books at all?

[@lenajohnson6179]

I think if this were true it would have happened already.

[@janwarlock]

@@Hexados-666 She'd be Lawful Neutral more than Lawful Evil...

[@a-3077]

okay so this is just my weird imagination "so avatar, how will you maintain balance?" future avatar: I will kill everyone in this -room- world and then myself "uh that's not-" future avatar: no life = no suffering

[@silvermagpie1071]

In the end, even pure Ruination leads to Preservation, as the universe falls to bits for eternity

[@clown-cult96]

“What if there was an evil avatar?” Unalaq: Am I joke to you?

[@matthewmuir8884]

The majority of the fanbase: Yes; we honestly thought you already knew that.

[@forgedtofight]

yeah

[@yuxintian7500]

Let's just forget about season 2.

[@demo9299]

It exist , but it's lame xd

[@mistermustacheguy2763]

Yes he is

[@anaismca]

Man the 1984 (George Orwell) parallels in your analysis of peace was blowing my mind

[@prince_nocturne]

...Aang's whole journey was to learn the power needed so he could depose the leader of an entire nation and (eventually) put someone more in line with his own way of thinking on the throne. So~ yeah...

[@soundninja99]

Yeah, if peace is the goal, both opposing the fire nation and supporting them would lead to that goal.

[@TK-rz8gb]

ozai was gonna seek to dominate the world, thus removing balance. Avatars exist to protect balance

[@pedunsound]

when you put it that way...

[@joshuaortega1852]

That leader he deposed was going to destroy a whole nation to crush the spirits of anyone that might challenge him in the future and even when the whole world including past Avatars told Aang to kill him Aang found another way to end the fighting.

[@zusfrankenstein8561]

Yeah, but Ozai was going to essentially carpet bomb the biggest continent on the planet, thus making 75% of the world uninhabitable, so I'll give Aang a pass. Ozai's plan kind of made no sense if he wanted to actually reap the benefits of winning the war. There's no point of winning if you're going to destroy the place you were fighting over in the first place. But then again, he's an insane maniac voiced by Joker, so I guess it works for his character.

[@dontmisunderstand6041]

So, the thing about Rava and Vatu. When Vatu is defeated, the world becomes significantly more chaotic, which tells us very directly that it's not his presence that spreads chaos.

[@vichodeivis1219]

Fruit cake is great because with every bite you can taste the entire worlds disapproval. Is like Pineapple Pizza.

[@NivekTheEnigma]

Pineapple on pizza. I think you might like Gabe Helmy

[@limazulu6192]

Don't you dare insult my pineapple pizza, that shit's delicious!!

[@Tethloach1]

I like pineapple pizza

[@prosackmetheus5409]

Fruits on sweet pastries was always accepted in the culinary world. Remember the strawberries on the wedding cake? The blueberry pie? On the other hand, putting pineapple bits on pizza is blasphemous. The only fruits that should be allowed on pizza are tomatoes and peppers.

[@theberrby6836]

...I feel indifferent towards Pineapple Pizza...

[@animeotaku22]

My theory is this. (For this theory assume that one or the other is "in charge" when I talk about them) Raava as the spirit of peace and light would do whatever it takes to maintain peace in the world. At the end of Avatar Wan's life we see that he was involved with some sort of battle, probably a war. If peace meant taking over the world and enforcing peace then that's what would happen if she had the means to do so (which the avatar just might depending on the times). She is not inherently good, good does not matter to her, so long as peace and order are enforced. Vaatu on the other hand, is the spirit of chaos and darkness, and would do whatever it took to get rid of order. He's an anarchist, he's not evil, he just hates it when rules try to tie him down. He doesn't make the spirits evil, we saw that Bumi was able to get along with a dark spirit after all by playing his flute. That being said, the reason the dark spirits might attack humans is because humans have taken over their homes. During Avatar Wan's life we see an argument take place between the humans and the spirits, the spirits are angry because the humans are trying to take their homes away from them and as they get angry at that thought they start to turn dark. They aren't evil, they're just protecting what's theirs, and if anything the humans are the evil ones in that scenario. So bottom line, while Raava might be Light and Peace, this does not make her good, as peace could also be achieved through control and force. And while Vaatu might be the spirit of Darkness and Chaos, this does not make him evil, as chaos can simply refer to a lack of order, or can be used to protect what one cares about (such as the case of the spirits defending their homes).

[@ndpd7695]

Anime Otaku Woow... so nicely said...i love your thinking it's beautiful (I like your profile pic of Jiraiya-sama as well)

[@animeotaku22]

@@ndpd7695 thank you very much. :)

[@animeotaku22]

@Digicraftmon the Crystal Gem yeah, I was mainly going for the "no one controlling him" part. Anarchist seemed like the best fitting at the time since governments were brought up in the video and my comment.

[@chiimchauu]

Very VERY Interesting. Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this.

[@ombenimunyamanzivideos3642]

Anime Otaku is it true peace tho, if it’s forced? how could humans be at peace without individual freedom. i would argue that they would feel restrained and/or imprisoned and therefore lack true inner peace. but well thats just my opinion:)

[@namupurachi]

My version of an opposing avatar is one who can only master secondary elements. Lightning, metal, blood, and sound(?)

[@RHR199X]

月読の世界 I was thinking this too

[@dragonheart1236]

So..... The opposing Avatar is a metalhead?

[@hidude736]

it’s not possible idk because you need to know how to bend the original elements to bend the secondary elements just a thought

[@shahan5002]

metal is connected to rock,Blood is connected to water and Lightning is connected to fire so i think they need to master the primary elements first

[@tyrkun1624]

Makes no sense, metalbending is only a thing as metal has earth particles. That's literally how Toph learns it. Also bloodbending is a thing as blood is biologically mostly water.

[@idunnoe]

I think an avatar can be evil if like, let’s say Aang died when the fire nation raided his culture, The next water bender died (Possibly not Korea since born different times) and the earth bender died. That would mean the fire-nation avatar is told that the fire nation is good and helps takeover other nations, would that count as evil?

[@FandomCanon]

I swear, I remember reading a while back, before Korra was a thing, that the Avatar was the incarnation of the spirit of the planet itself. Like, Gaia in the flesh or something. This was why the Avatar could master all the elements that were inherent to the planet. Because the Avatar is the planet. Maybe I made that up, but I really think I read it on a website somewhere. In any case, I think it was a much better idea than what the writers ended up going with. Instead, the first Avatar was just some guy with a weird spirit parasite in him who got his bending in a way that involved the spirit, but was ultimately separate from it. It's too messy of a backstory.

[@kaisawatson]

by definition the name "avatar" itself fits more what you wrote than what Legend of Korra did. The avatar is supposed to be a wordly manifestation of higher forces. In The last airbender, the avatar is the manifestation of the world's balance, at the crossing of the four forces that are the elements. It never was about peace and chaos, good and evil in the original show. It was about maintening balance between the four inherent forces of the world. And it was FAR better this way

[@FandomCanon]

Agreed. And it was far better that this was a natural balancing rather than a random combination of some guy's idea, a spirit who agrees to go along with it, luck, and the lion turtle's cooperation. TLA hints at a time before the Avatar. But that stuff was better left a mystery.

[@CaptainWobbs]

Sometimes I wish parts of Korra were wiped from Avatar’s history. Like that live action abomination was.

[@nemasisdemarini8339]

@@kaisawatson "An avatar, a concept in Hinduism that means "descent", is the material appearance or incarnation of a deity on earth. The relative verb to "alight, to make one's appearance" is sometimes used to refer to any guru or revered human being." That is the literal google translation. So the avatar in the show being the human who houses the light spirit Raava still technically fits.

[@kaisawatson]

@@nemasisdemarini8339 There is a HUGE difference between the concepts of "incarnation" and "host". In LoK, the avatar is merely a "vessel" for Ravaa, and is nothing special without her. While in atla, aang was an "incarnation" of the balance of the 4 forces of the world (at least before it got retcon by Lok).

[@noanRUA]

When you were talking about a nazi Avatar, I immediately thought of Kuvira's ideology. Her primary purpose was Order. When the Earth queen was defeated the Earth kingdon was in chaos, so Kuvira stepped up to stop bandit raids and unify the land once again. Well, we know what that led to and that her order was oppression in disguise, forcing people to choose between "peace" and submission or death, but she herself perceived her intentions to be good. I can definitely see an Avatar sharing her ideology if faced with similar circumstances and having a similar character - and if you see Raava as a spirit of order and peace, then wouldn't that be in line with her desposition?

[@dripdoriya1707]

Fire nation: hand sanitizer Air nomads: 99.9% of germs Aang: that .01% of germ living his life

[@colecoleman8135]

Kyoshi didn't say that she would kill him again, she said if it lead to stopping him, she would have killed him. A small distinction but it makes a huge difference. The big thing is that everyone treats her as a person who is kill-crazy, and will stop at nothing to get what she wants. She was trying to make a point, one that I feel goes over most people's heads. If you cause someone's death, it is the same as killing them. So by that logic, if I took your food away, and you starved, it is the same as killing you myself. She wanted Aang to know that he was too caught up in the words themselves to realize that he had actually been killing along his journey already (I will go to war about this if people want to challenge it) and that him saying he won't kill, doesn't make him any less a killer. If he had understood this then he would have had an easier time dealing with Ozai as frankly, he deserved to die much more than all of the soldiers that Aang drowned getting to him, or buried in an avalanche...or concussed in the middle of nowhere and left them for dead. Man is more brutal than he knows because he won't admit it. Thanks for coming to my ted talk.

[@dataportdoll7918]

Just want to add there already is a canonical evil avatar: Yang-Chen. This goes all the way back to season 2. The reason Kuruk is able to live in peace and casual stoner-mindset, is that Yang-Chen so thoroughly pacified the world that no one dared to declare war for almost 100 years. Her original bio even described her as "ruthless and uuncompromising". A peace which needed to find balance in Chin the Conqueror during Kiyoshi's reign....Kiyoshi who created the Dai Li. Though let's be fair that is more shown as something that got corrupted after 200 years.

[@BirbMom]

And Kiyoshi did end up regretting the creation of the Dai Li.

[@andian716]

Not evil morally dubious maybe but never evil

[@SanguineSidereal]

It is worth noting that the idea of Light as Good and Darkness as Evil is a Manichean concept that while heavily influential in the west did not gain nearly as much cultural traction to the east of it's native Iran. So when talking about the heavily East Asian influenced series these concepts should not really have a moral element. Of course regardless of what the intent might be Raava and Vaatu do play into these Manichean stereotypes. So If they were not supposed to be interpreted as moral concepts it is a failure of execution as the primary audience of this show comes from a Western Background. (Am I spelling Manichean right? Autocorrect keeps changing it but I couls have sworn there was only one m.)

[@SanguineSidereal]

@Mullerornis You make a good point. And I do not claim to be an expert in Persian Studies. But a few notes based on my understanding. First Manicheanism is a branch of Zoroastrianism. Second it is my understanding that it was Mani (the creator of Manicheanism) who really codified the idea of associating Ahura Mazda with Light and Ahriman with Darkness. And while the idea would spread to mainstream Zoroastrianism, pre-Manichean Zoroastrianism didn't really associate darkness with Ahriman. And sources of light such as fire and the sun were considered holy, but do to association with specific Yazata rather than because light was inherently good. The Sun with Mithra, and I can't remember the name of the Yazata of fire. It is also worth noting that in mainstream Zoroastrianism Water was just as highly regarded as fire. Once again do in large part to association with a particularly important Yazata: Anahita.

[@SanguineSidereal]

@Mullerornis Yeah I think I may have communicated my ideas poorly here, sorry. I did not mean to imply that Manichaeism was in compliance with Zoroastrian orthodoxy.The problem here is there isn't really a good umbrella term, as far as I know, for religions descended from the teachings of Zoroaster. No equivalent of the term Abrahamic Religion. Manichean practices were indeed very different from Zoroatrian practices. Also just as a point of clarity for everyone since I've apparently been unclear in explaining some of my thoughts. I am not saying that dualistic Good and Evil is a Manichean concepts. That as you said does go back as far as original Zoroastrianism, if not farther. Rather what I was attributing to Manichaeism was specifically the conflation of Light with Good and Darkness with Evil. Which I brought up because Raava and Vaatu are never referred to as spirits of Good or Evil. But rather Light and Darkness, which some people have interpreted as being Good and Evil. And I just wanted to bring up that there is not a universal metaphorical connection between those concepts.

[@adrianmcbride1666]

@Mullerornis Light and darkness are not exclusively associated with good and evil Biblically either. Think of satan's name, also consider Genesis.

[@PitterPatter20]

I think the first question we need to ask ourselves is "can we pretend Rava and Vatu never existed?"

[@tamarrartis2918]

Just pretend it didn't happen.

[@avengerofthedead142]

nah nah nah, the real question is "can we pretend Korra never happened"

[@tamarrartis2918]

@@avengerofthedead142 or check this out: How book 2 Korra could of gone: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ipCxoKqCYpuhrrM Watch the whole thing.

[@Maria-pj3jv]

@@avengerofthedead142 NOPE

[@nathansequeira182]

@@avengerofthedead142 Korra had better villains then ATLA. So plz don't justify and make ur statement according to ur opinions

[@kimarous]

I've been rolling a fanfic idea around my head - a prequel story (of which certain details have since been contradicted by Avatar Wan's backstory, but screw it, I don't care) that would begin with an antagonistic Avatar: essentially a war leader for an aggressive Water Empire (unified global War Tribe with large-scale flood tactics). Story opens with the Avatar being assassinated... and the new avatar being the assassin's newborn son. This is realized years later - both factions want him for their own ends, new avatar runs away, and tries to rebalance the world under the guidance of a Guru, who blames himself for the previous Avatar's fall to darkness. Also, difficulty reaching the Avatar state since new!Avatar naturally has a poor view of his immediate predecessor.

[@maggiegerow7690]

Kimarous this sounds super cool. Would 10/10 read.

[@orfeassiozos1575]

What an interesting theory! I honestly have never thought about this, while it makes total sense! And your arguments are very well made. I love the way you categorized this video into three parts. I have been watching your channel for the past few months and I can say with certainty that I am in love with your content. I love your quirky personality and all the unique theories you present to us, as well as your editing style and your decision to focus on the good, fun parts of the fandoms you look into. I'm very glad to have discovered your channel and I am looking forward to your new content in 2019. Much love from Greece.

[@mr.knightthedetective7435]

Avatar is like the Jedi, they all preach about good and letting go of your emotions but in the end Jedi committed genocide because of their belief. Good and evil really don't exist. There is only order and chaos.

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

@@moungpyle5892 According to science doing good acts makes you feel good. We get PTSD from murdering other humans for instance. We're social creatures, so therefore what's good for society is good for our species. Rape is objectively evil for instance. Moral ambiguity is an excuse the immoral make to prevent self-reflection. People don't do immoral acts because they believe they're moral, but because they suspend morality for self-benefit. Black and white morality is a hard pill to swallow, it means you have to reconsider yourself and take sides. Moral ambiguity is comforting. But that doesn't mean every situation is black and white, but a lot are.

[@bananasplit4391]

@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 Moral ambiguity isn't "no good or bad", it means we decide what is good or bad as a society. How do you dictate who is immoral and who isn't? The further back in history we go, the more atrocities were committed by today's standards. Slavery, Dictatorship(Absolutism), homophobia, racism, communism in any capacity(for you red scare people), I could go on. All of which we condemn today but were perfectly acceptable then. If morality were objective, we would continue to share their beliefs, or they were all immoral people with no morality. sidenote - you religious? Not many seculars hold that kind of view.

[@seanwaddell2659]

@@bananasplit4391 Except the nihilists but we don’t claim them

[@lindenlynx]

Great video as always, Tim! It was clearly thought out and it makes sense; you always do a great job of explaining stuff. I've never cared for LoK too much, but I appreciate that people like you don't just disregard it, because technically it is canon. You used it in a way that supported your claims and it did so in a great way!Thank you for the videos and your insight this year. I found your channel only this year, but it's quickly become my favorite. If I had my own credit card/wasn't underage, I'd totally support you on Patreon. I'd just like to say that you're someone I look up to, not just as a great KZbinr, but a great person. Keep up the good work! My cats and I will continue worshipping Mishka! I hope you have a merry Christmas! Here's to 2019 being the best year yet! (HTTYD 3 and the On Writing book, whoop whoop!) -Landrey P.S. I've never eaten fruitcake so I've yet to decide its fate...

[@rebeccazalkin6927]

I was thinking of running an RPG where the avatar is split between two twins. One with the power to bend all the elements, and one with the wisdom of their past lives, and with the avatar state without the ability to bend. I was planning on having the bender avatar be a villain with a tyrannical quest for power, while one of the players is the knowledge avatar who quests to stop their twin.

[@vittoriopassaretti7207]

Love this idea, chepeau

[@ramirogalletti]

how about "twin avatars"? the "avatar of order/raava" (lawfull-any) that want a status quo, law, order the "avatar of chaos/vatuu" (chaotic-any) that wants change, freedom ,oportunity that way you have 2 "earth avatars" and you can have a debate of "freedom/security" with no nesesary evil, or at the very least not by nature.

[@marc-antoinegirard2103]

It would be extremely surprising for an avatar to turn evil considering that he is the reincarnation of thousands of good doing avatars

[@Netheraptr]

Maybe they could cut themselves off from the other avatars or force their control over them or something like that. Edit: They also go with the Avatar after Korra since they wouldn’t be able to connect to their past lives, but Korra doesn’t need more hate.

[@cestalia]

I think people forget that despite being Avatat, in the end they're human. They're capable of feeling pain, rage and emotion. Even Aang woulf kill if it wasn't for Katara attempt to stop him.

[@angiecoltrane3631]

ineresting, but ther couldn't be a thousand avatars, that would mean each one since wan had to have had a livespan of at leat ten years.

[@newslenderarts]

kinda like Darth vader,he's the chosen one and was taught good but he got corrupted by palapatine

[@peachglue]

Why all of the cartoon series and TV shows and movies are always about "good guys". For once I would love to see something from the perspective of so called "evil". Not those who want world domination or something, but from the perspective of those villains who actually have a reason to be "evil".

[@TCGJake]

peachmay there’s a ton of cartoons about bad guys

[@ZarHakkar]

So like Zuko's parts in the original Avatar?

[@tolkienblack]

peachmay you just described death note

[@Jay-jh5re]

Watch Death Note its really good

[@suchti5188]

House of cards

[@unknownz6284]

I don't like fruit cake at all but if I was at a friend's birthday party I'd gladly have a slice

[@ActualOphelia]

"and I will see you next year" mishka: "mraw"

[@claudedossantos3302]

I think Raava just selects the next avatar by sensing the good in them. Like how it was Roku who was Avatar instead of Sozan even though they were close and were both fire nation. But Raava sensed the intentions of Sozan. It doesnt chose the perfect person, just the best choice.

[@totallynameless8861]

An Avatar who isn't the main character of the show could be awesome.

[@nygeriunprence]

What should’ve been: Raava: Balance Vaatu: Chaos

[@soundninja99]

No, it should've been order and chaos. Balance comes from both holding eachother in check

[@whalesharko4465]

Yeah, because if it was balance then we wouldn't need vaata I think the avatar should have fused with both, One could be peace (air and water) One could be chaos (earth and fire) I was going off colours btw Point is, I feel like it should have been both

[@nemasisdemarini8339]

@@whalesharko4465 I was gonna ask why water was part of peace, since earth tends to be way more peaceful. But then I finished reading the comment.

[@linneawickman7659]

12:16 haha..wait what? They put sheep in the army now? I guess I’ve got a chance then

[@emymcguire3958]

Can you imagine if Zuko was the Avatar?? Like if the title referred to Zuko as the Avatar and Aang was the last airbender. Maybe Zuko ran away to hide his ability from his father (or his father trained him to be the ultimate war weapon and hunt down threats like Aang) and Aang was traveling the world to preserve the memory of his people and search for survivors or something then they come together? 🧐🧐🧐

[@alicelemieux531]

Also imagine Azula as the avatar, it would be so chaotic lmao

[@airwooshhwatersplash787]

Then Aang wouldn't be alive if he wasn't the Avatar lol he would be dead so there would be no memory to preserve because they don't have an actual airbender alive that could tell them how to preserve the Air Nomad culture?? If Zuko was the Fire Avatar then the Air Nomads would be permanently wiped out.

[@tomer4454]

When I was a kid before Korra was released I created rpg game where you are a non bender and you try to stop the next AVATAR who is evil and try to bring balance to the world by killing all humans.

[@transrightsdinosaur]

"First up: Avatar Kuruk!" *AoT theme plays* I immediately started jamming

[@littenfire3563]

having an evil counterpart isn't dumb though lol. You made a good point that even if the Avatar INTENDS to do something peaceful, they still have the potential to be evil

[@Falloutlover1011]

I’d love a avatar that is a anti hero.

[@Vigriff]

The closest we got are Korra and Kyoshi.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

@@Vigriff yeah, but I'd like a more likeable antihero

[@burgerwolfbrown735]

So if Deadpool was the Avatar

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

@@burgerwolfbrown735 little less crazy please

[@burgerwolfbrown735]

Blade?

[@lukeroan1719]

If you could rewrite LOK would you? And How?

[@limazulu6192]

Asking a reeeeeaaally loaded question here... I'd have to rewrite the entire story to fix my issues with this series...

[@TheJuanTrueKaiser]

Been working on that actually. aminoapps.com/p/fh1uic aminoapps.com/p/zvobn6

[@limazulu6192]

@@TheJuanTrueKaiser what you got?

[@marinary1326]

That's a really tough question. Like, first off, are you going to work in the same medium and format? Do you consider, say, the limits and expenses of animating a scene? What if you got to use 26 episode seasons? (I think some, not all, issues with the first season in particular stem from the short season length, uncertainty of whether they were going to get more time to tell the story, etc.) How much are you going to change? Like, do you keep roughly the same plot and characters, or do you cut more than that? And this project is just too big for one person, honestly. A TV show requires a whole team of writers. Yeah, we can sit in our armchairs and talk about what we would do differently, but none of us is actually capable of doing it on our own.

[@limazulu6192]

@@marinary1326 that last point is not entirely true. While tv series and movies usually got several writers, that doesn't mean you can't write a story by yourself. Most writers work on their novels alone and most anime are adapted from manga who've been written and illustrated by one person too. Tbh if I'd take a guess i'd say the only reason you hire several writers is so you can get it done quicker. And regardless of what medium you choose you're not doing this to prove you're better than the show writers but to write a better story.

[@torazely]

I say yes and no. In more, yes, there can probably be an avatar that is considered evil within the world. But i don't think the avatar can be evil to us. Odds are, any sort of avatar show would involve the avatar itself as the main character, so no matter what the show is set up as, the avatar will always be good to us.

[@MrSeals1000]

I never thought that the intention behind raava and vaatu was to make a black and white, good vs evil portrayal of ancient spirits. You kind of explained my interpretation.... it is very much not black and white, it's a mix, some good in the evil, some evil in the good. They need each other to stay balanced, and neither of them are inherently better or worse than the other. Of course, because of how humans view things, we will see one of them as better, but when it comes to their impact on everything, raava is no more important than vaatu is. If Im being honest, I think that if the situation was reversed, and vaatu was the original avatar's spirit, and they had locked raava away. I think that everything would have turned out almost more or less the same. It seems like the spirits themselves do not have much influence over their avatar, or, at least they have no control over them. What the Avatar does, depends on their own morals. It doesnt seem like the spirits raava or vaatu change the person they are attached to. The Avatar has their own free will, and raava and vaatu just provide them the power for the most part. Id say that the idea that the Avatar must be good came from us humans. We saw how the first Avatar was, to us, he was good. So when another Avatar showed up, we latched onto that ideal and raised them to be good. Snowballing into history and growing with this ideal that the Avatar is inherently good. When in truth, the Avatar, the ideals behind them, it is just what we ourselves have made. We shape our own destiny. No ancient spirits are controlling us, they may be involved, but they aren't objectively good or evil. The Avatar, that ideal, that personification, is what we make of it.

[@Chr0n0s38]

"Of course, because of how humans view things" As was pointed out in the video, it's more of a Western thing. The reason westerners think about things in a good/evil dichotomy is because of the Abrahamic religions. If you look at traditional European religions they were similar to Eastern beliefs in the idea that the world isn't just good vs evil. For example, the Norse didn't see Loki as evil. Actually, when you think about it he's not that different from how Vaatu was portrayed. Just interested in spreading chaos. Odin was also known to do some, let's say questionable, things to achieve his goals. Plenty of spirits in the Slavic religions weren't seen as good or evil until after the regions became Christian, at which point they were viewed as demons.

[@MrSeals1000]

@@Chr0n0s38 Well yes, that is somethjng he mentioned. But while it is a western ideal that things are normally only good and evil, I meant it in more of a simple way I suppose. I meant it more from the point of view that people will have of a deity if that deity threatens them compared to a deity that helps them. These deities may both be equally important, and both equally morally ambiguous in the grand scheme of everything. But to humans, one of them would appear to be "good" and the other would appear to be "evil" depending on what they do from the humans perspective(generally, the "good" would be helpful, whereas the "bad" would be considered harmful due to what they do). This isnt discrediting anything you said, only expanding on what I meant, even though it lines up fairly well with what you were saying. There are some beliefs that can't, or won't, look past what is right in front of them. They wont think of the bigger picture, which is where many purely black and white points of views come from.

[@MrSeals1000]

@@Chr0n0s38 Also, on that last thing you said, it made me chuckle. When christians took over many providences where "paganism" was widespread, they really did have fun with just slapping the *Demon* label on the pagans gods that they didnt agree with in order to force conversion or shaming.

[@Chr0n0s38]

@@MrSeals1000 Some of the gods of those religions were lucky and only got demoted to saint status instead lol. Interestingly Islam did something similar. Djinn were historically viewed by natives to the Middle East in a similar light as spirits by Europeans, but when Islam began expanding the djinn were turned into demons of sorts. Interesting that only Abrahamic religions seem to do this.

[@Chr0n0s38]

@@MrSeals1000 Okay, I see what you meant. Perhaps good vs evil isn't quite the right term, though I personally can't think of a good substitute either.

[@crusixangel9513]

"Ill do it again, I swear on me mum!" I couldnt stop laughing.

[@KidBuu482]

"You want me? I'll do it again. I swear on me mum." Lol

[@MarloSoBalJr]

You wot m8

[@IEngeI]

But her mom already died because she over 200 years old

[@shinoa_hiiragi_]

@@IEngeI 400 y/o

[@WolfishDude]

@Hello Future Me Funnily enough ATLA actually already explored the idea of 'is "peace" justified?'! The Ba Sing Se plot arc and the whole objective of their being "There is no war in Ba Sing Se"!

[@ryzacraft6961]

Raava can’t control the avatar, but she is a part of each avatar from birth, so based on them literally growing up with a being of light inside them, I’d assume she’d have an impact on how they see the world, just like how in real life, friends and relatives have an impact on how you turn out

[@thelegend8570]

*_ALL HAIL SUPREME LEADER MISHKA_*

[@regiman222]

3:12 He's probably a good example of the 'Pure doesn't mean good' trope

[@theberrby6836]

6:54 So.. What happened in Korra? Loss of "individuality" and rise of "apathy" seemed to be what some the citizens were worrying about.

[@steampunknord]

In an honest defence of fruit cake, everyone loves a good christmas pud even if they don't like fruit cake because it brings us all together and reminds us that it isn't inherently evil to like fruit cake. Plus it is actually way better when you get custard involved, oh my.

[@TheSoschianGamer]

My thoughts on this: This kind of "binary" morality presented here to me makes more sense if think about how the one is needed to define the other. What is light? The abscence of darkness. What is darkness? The abscence of light. You do need the two spirits and their battle to keep balance as one becomes irrelevant without the other. As Bob Ross once said: "Gotta have a little sadness once to know when the good time come." On the question if the Avatar can be evil: This is problematic, since, as you've presented well, morality isn't fixed in the Avatar universe. So doing things that are recieved as good by one may be recieved as bad by someone else. But I like to think about it this way: Raava, or at least the goodness in the Avatar, prevents them from doing something for their own gain; the Avatar only works for others. So if Kyoshi's goal wasn't to free her people, but to gain power for herself by overthrowing someone, I think that wouldn't have worked and she'd be basically physically unable not to only do that, but to even think that way.

[@TheFloatingLlamas]

What is light? More like what is love?

[@nemasisdemarini8339]

Light is better described as energy, and darkness as entropy I would say. But otherwise, fair points.

[@TheSoschianGamer]

@@nemasisdemarini8339 Well I was more talking about the moral Light and Dark, not the scientific ones, although energy and entropy are also somewhat applicable to morality (imo)

[@nemasisdemarini8339]

@@TheSoschianGamer I just said that to fix the almost paradoxical loop. Since your original definitions of light and darkness was like the saying, what came first, the chicken or the egg. Also, I'm just being nerdy.

[@TheSoschianGamer]

@@nemasisdemarini8339 And I pretty much only did it for the _A E S T H E T I C_ , I thought it sounded cool.

[@phrax6767]

Previous Avatars: Oh and yeah you must be good Current Avatar: *but am I gonna*

[@tobilloturtle1555]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but Raava specifically said in LoK that if her or Vaatu destroyed the other, the loser would only regrow inside the win and come out to battle again at the next Harmonic Convergence. That’s how Korra got Raava back even, she was reborn inside Vaatu. But, in Korea’s battle she fully destroyed Vaatu, meaning that for the next 10,000 years, won’t Vaatu just grow inside of Raava? Meaning that in the next 100 or so lifetimes we’re gonna some sadistic avatars with Vaatu literally rebirthing inside of them. Wan’s subdue and imprison solution really was the best thing he could’ve done imo

[@Sta809]

I've thought of that, but maybe the avatar 10k years after Korra can go and close the portals just for the day when Harmonic convergence is supposed to happen, so it doesn't happen and Vaatu doesn't emerge from inside of them. Then they can open the portals again the next day after all is good 🤌🏻 but korra would have to connect with that avatar to fully guide them through the process

[@evershumor1302]

12:23 can't stop laughing!!!!! Your amazing Tim. The Jokes and editing where on point!

[@skyrogue1977]

I wouldn’t mind seeing a blonde Avatar. Especially if he’s the only one.

[@mjlopez1839]

What if the next avatar is a TWIN? One of which has Raava while the other one has Vaatu? What you think? Quite interesting.

[@ChrisUnltdTV]

I would actually love to see them explore a twin Avatar

[@saintzeroinfinity]

What if one avatar with both raava and vaatu together?

[@Pootasaur]

This is absolutely gold... a great take on Avatar morality

[@henryeccleston7381]

Also, Raava can be seen as inherently entropic, tending to peace, silence, and unity, with light being itself a thing that does not tend to entropy but to energy and stimulation of systems. Conversely Vaatu is chaos, distinction that breaks unity, diversity, strife, and freedom, with darkness being itself a seed of peace and silent absence that brings ending to variety in unified void. From Raava's light, the chaos of Vaatu is born, from Raava's peace comes the silent dark of Vaatu. And vice versa. This handles the good and evil issue by making them internally inconsistent entities at war, or two sides of the same entity that is itself further at war within themselves, they are the unity that is diverse, the never ending war of a holistic self, while Koh is imitation, that which takes what it adores and in the taking destroys it, like picking a flower. He who knows ten thousand things is curiosity, comprehension, the growth of knowledge, but also jealous guarding of knowledge, the removal of information by the learning of it, the protection of knowledge and its consequent death by secrecy. It allows the elder spirits to be all distinct aspects of being rather than merely dominated by the false dichotomy that is Raava and Vaatu. There is bad fruitcake and good fruitcake. Good fruitcake is basically a more bread like Christmas pudding that was baked. That can be delicious in small pieces over a long period with tea, which is good since it can’t go stale or rot due to how much sugar and alcohol should be in it.

[@72Worker]

Raava is not the spirit of good. She is the spirit of Light. Vaatu is the spirit of Darkness, not Evil. Fruit cake, yummy yummy! ;)

[@adeptdamage3669]

Still a dumb idea.

[@rosanirodrigues557]

72Worker I thing l like in book two is the introduce the concept of the dark avatar like what if the dark avatar came back what would happen to this person who is the reincarnation of darkness and chaos a story about nature versus nurture Will he/she go down the same path as the previous dark avatar or will they try to become more than what they were going to be? Thank you for reading.🙏

[@hamzaakbar6033]

When the video was ending at 19:00 it seemed as if your cat waved and said "bye" lol

[@ZikedY]

An evil avatar should be called the evitar

[@mrrevenue592]

Highish Chicken With Beans and Rice noice

[@limazulu6192]

No.

[@AlexKnauth]

Or the Atutar. Avatar = last-three-letters(Raava) + tar Atutar = last-three-letters(Vaatu) + tar

[@limazulu6192]

@@AlexKnauth why not just make it Avaatu then? Or Vaatu for short? Actually let's just keep it at that...

[@guidoylosfreaks]

To avoid in Spanish?

[@eden5327]

Every time I watch one of your Avatar videos, halfway through, I think, "Hey, what about..." and then you go and talk about it. This time, it was Kuruk. I always figured there could be an "evil" Avatar, but it was definitely confirmed when I saw him. If there's a neutral Avatar, there can definitely be an evil one. And in terms of maintaining peace and order, isn't that what Long Feng said he was trying to do? Sure, he's not an Avatar, so it doesn't fit into the theme of an evil Avatar per se, but what if he or someone like him had been the Avatar? He may have had other ambitions, but I don't think he was lying when he said that. Lying about a 100-year war and brainwashing people may be bad/evil, but it got the job done for him and the Dai Li. That's one of the countless things I love about Avatar though. The characters are all well thought-out. Even Aang is, as the Ember Island Players said, "an incurable prankster." And while pranking people isn't an "evil" act, it's certainly not morally good either. The Runaway episode comes to mind when he helps Toph scam people out of money.

[@Ostentatiousnessness]

0:12 Yes Hooman, give me your tribute of scratches and cuddles.

[@gentlemansgambit1018]

I like fruit cake. If you don't like fruit cake try lumberjack cake it's got coconuts and dates in it and tastes amazing, and it is moist

[@Howtard]

Another alternative I've found good is "Oxford Lunch" cake; similar to fruit cake so traditionalists won't complain so much, but it's heavy on the cherries and almonds and light on brown sugar. It's a much sweeter cake and I've always found it more palatable.

[@theblancmange1265]

Fruit cake as in the food or gay men? Was HFM telling us something?

[@hans7686]

M O I S T

[@cecily_cardew]

Hans 7 omg i was about to comment that lol

[@hans7686]

@@cecily_cardew lol