WHAT IF The Blackfyre Rebellions Succeeded? | ASOIAF Animated

[@fantasyhaven1]

Shall I do more What If videos? Patreon: www.patreon.com/FantasyHaven

[@bigloopsie]

post no more videos pls and change your art style

[@alfieingrouille1528]

Yes

[@alfieingrouille1528]

@@bigloopsie stup up

[@aegorbittersteel2154]

YES thank you Lord Haven 🙏

[@jackbaldwin2307]

@@bigloopsie dude pipe down

[@panzerfury6579]

Bobby B: "I AM INEVITABLE, YA SHITS!"

[@gd88467]

“Come bow before your king, ya shits!” 😂

[@hectorsanchez1377]

Jon snow :”and i….. dun wan eet”

[@senorsombrero1275]

A three way civil war between the Targaryens, Blackfyres, and Brightflames would have been nutty

[@Okcucumber]

There is still time

[@denistardif6650]

With a mix of boratheon because the boratheon started from a bastard Targaryen the half brother of aegon the conqueror. Orys Boratheon.

[@KaiHung-wv3ul]

Dance of the Dragons 2.0. Now with extra factions!

[@SirBoggins]

200th like!

[@johnny_thunder_3024]

Would love to read that fan fiction

[@El_Shotti]

King Bobby the inevitable

[@bryanrugara2777]

KING MAELYS BEESBURY 💯💯💯

[@jhp1045]

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[@aegorbittersteel2154]

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[@realdaggerman105]

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[@Moritz-xf5cx]

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[@Flipdip32]

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[@Jaylenhawk]

I wouldn’t mind seeing a video on what if Stannis and Renly actually teamed up

[@dineshbalu6107]

​@valer119And once the Dragons are grown, everything goes to shit lmao🤦🤣😂...

[@electricangel4488]

Stannis: here is the deal. Yout brother marries my daughter. You marry the tyrel girl making sure the ironrose dont prick. We let the dornish do there thing with tywin. We give the westerlands too the dwarf and hr can keep thr younger abominabels. Renly is my heir and youll marry that targ girl. Everyone is happy

[@fabianbinder3681]

@@dineshbalu6107I have a feeling that Renly would have dealt with Dany/Viserys before the dragons would be hatched.

[@AS-qy1zl]

Or a pragmatic Stannis allies with Robb. They would crush Lannisters in a couple weeks

[@now-semen-up]

@@AS-qy1zl those 2 together would be as powerful as tywin and tyrion

[@ajacevedo3]

I absolutely loved this. I’ve been longing for some “What If” videos pertaining to ASOIAF history, and I’m glad to see you got to be the first to do it, Haven. I’d love to see more in the future

[@ralphthompson9033]

Same. They exist but the quality… they’re very casual show fans feeling. Things like Ned making Tywin the master of coin or something.

[@writingwyvern6065]

Yeah, there are many fun ideas to think about, through history or during the books. Wish to see more in the future too

[@titusdaniel3962]

brightflame rebellions....thats something ill pay good money to see more what if content please!

[@kevinneutzling8267]

One thing you missed. Without Aegon V being king there’s no Summerhall tragedy which could leave many obscure and unmentioned Targaryens alive. It’s possible Bobby B could be king in this timeline but there are likely other options.

[@RapaxGuardian]

I have an alternate fantasy I've been thinking about: how drastically different would Westeros be if Queen Rhaenys had a baby girl instead of baby Aenys? In my proposed AU, Rhaenys and Aegon name their daughter Valaena to honor their mother. Visenya still has Maegor, so in this timeline we have King Maegor and Queen Valaena. How does the Faith respond? How many children do they have? Do any survive? Would Jaeherys and Alysanne still come into existence? Would the Dance of the Dragons still happen?

[@DM-Oz]

Considering the issues Maegor had with having children, i suppose the Targaryen would end there. You know, unless A) She cheats on him or B) Maegor issue was a result of his ressurection(?)

[@iamsheel]

I was pissed when I found out George didn't write this way. I always assumed Argon had two wives to give him a son & daughter who later on had king Jeahears.

[@niccolorichter1488]

if Deamon succeded , Targaryens would just replace Bittarsteel as exiles in fact it would be worse as all the the Great Houses were oposed him , he would be overtrown very early

[@aegorbittersteel2154]

You underestimate the Glorious Warrior King Daemon Blackfyre🗡

[@DominionSorcerer]

If the Blackfyres were victorious in the First Rebellion most of those great houses would most likely simply bend the knee to him, one dragon merely being replaced with another though with quite a few loyalists hidden and ready to rise should the Targaryens return. Not to mention that quite a few of those great houses rely on bannermen beneath them for their own power, many who in this case sided with Daemon.

[@aegorbittersteel2154]

@@DominionSorcerer Exactly

[@ucnguyenanh9414]

​@@DominionSorcererNothing guarantee that the other kingdoms would not declare themselves independent.

[@aegorbittersteel2154]

@ucnguyenanh9414 The different Kingdoms don't seem to actually do that a lot except for the Ironborn and the Dornish would, but most the other regions while they have pride about their area probably won't be rushing for independence.

[@nicodemusedwards6931]

0:04 I mean it’s hypothetically possible that at any moment in history all of the Blackfyre opposition were simultaneously struck in the head with meteorites.

[@SirBoggins]

*looks at house Dayne's sword Dawn

[@rakshithanand8262]

@@SirBogginsThe sword is called Dawn. The Castle is called Starfall.

[@sardonically-inclined7645]

Love it. Especially Bobby B being king in every timeline.

[@dineshbalu6107]

That's inevitable bro. Since he is a Targaryen himself, and the more worthy contendors are either dead or not present at the Realm lol...

[@SirBoggins]

And hey, without the need for rebellion against his distant Targaryen relatives (Rhaegar and Aerys II) and the subsequent death of Lyanna that came from all that chaos, Robert would probably be less reckless and wasteful with his ruling as he's being advised early in his life as a prince and heir to his father, Steffon I. So yea, if Maelys the Monstrous and the Ninepenny Kings had been victorious, the mess that was the Game of Thrones would have been avoided almost entirely.​@@dineshbalu6107

[@AldrichLarkinPerez-oo7sh]

Im hope it doesn't start a war or something

[@SirBoggins]

@@AldrichLarkinPerez-oo7sh Depends on if he marries Cersei like he in otl! 🤷🏻

[@gamebawesome]

Love this What If scenarios you're doing. Wonder if you'll do if "What if Robert Baratheon lost/Rhaegar won the Battle of the Trident"

[@arshbs]

What ifs are great but that one's overdone imo. My vote is "What if King Maegor had lost his Trial by 7"

[@bryansylvestrew5024]

@@arshbs While its certainly is overdone I would love to hear fantasy haven's take on it

[@arshbs]

@@bryansylvestrew5024 truuuuu

[@KnightwhotillrecentlysaidNI]

My Theory: Rhaegar might be Okay king, just solving the problems Aerys II, and if necessary, will end the trend of Targs inbreeding (3 centuries later and Targ incest will be history and the main story wont happen because the moral of the Game of Thrones story was to teach people how incest is bad, and that it can cause dumpsterfires across the world. YES THATS RIGHT! NOTHING WRONG WOULD HAPPEN IF VALYRIANS SAID "You know what, maybe this strange girl is prettier than my sis")

[@ralphthompson9033]

⁠@@arshbsa lot of the what ifs about that are kinda brain dead takes.

[@matheusdemello2323]

YES!!! One what if I very much want to see is What if when King Robert wants a marriage between the Baratheon and Starks, instead of Joffrey and Sansa, it was Robb and Myrcella? How would the *War Of Five Kings* change if Myrcella was married or betrothed to Robb Stark? I hope this gets noticed.

[@fantasyhaven1]

Love this idea

[@matheusdemello2323]

@@fantasyhaven1 Thank you very much, this means a lot to me.😎👍❤️

[@lonemotheo1964]

I don't think it would change much except the Starks would have 2 hostages and could possibly have a claim at casterly Rock through Marcella

[@KaiHung-wv3ul]

@@lonemotheo1964 Sansa wouldn't be in King's Landing, so they don't need to trade hostages. So Catelyn won't free Jaime, and the Red Wedding doesn't happen because Robb wouldn't be arranged to marry a Frey anyway.

[@lonemotheo1964]

@@KaiHung-wv3ul I don’t know if Ned wouldn’t take the girls to kingslanding if Robb was bethroved to Marcella but yeah

[@nicholasschemper3206]

I think an interesting scenario would be "What if Robb Stark Won?" Essentially, everything that can go right for Robb and the Starks, does. Robb never marries Jeyne Westerling, maintaining the alliance with House Frey, Catelyn never/fails to release Jamie, keeping the events which led to Robb's execution of Rickard Karstark from occurring, and finally, Robb lets Edmure in on his plan to lure Tywin's army into the Westerlands, preventing the Battle of the Fords from occurring and Tywin from saving King's Landing during the Battle of the Blackwater. I love your videos and hope to see more of this 'alternate fantasy' content!

[@Vladimír-Ráth]

I just love this. There should be more ASoIaF alternate history for sure. I would really want to encourage you to make more stuff like this. It's just so interesting.

[@fantasyhaven1]

Thanks!

[@NeonManStuff]

Absolutely love this idea. I've also been interested in "what if?" scenarios for ASoIaF. One scenario I'd really like to see is how the political structure of Westeros may have evolved had Aegon the Conqueror never invaded and united most of the realms. Would another house have eventually dominated Westeros? If so, how? It's mentioned that the Storm Kings were in decline (save for the early reign of Argilac) during the 1st century BC, could they have gone extinct or became a vassal to House Hoare or another great house?

[@SherlockHolmesb-kp4ru]

Nope it would remain the way it was for thousands of years a petty squabbling backwater continent

[@NeonManStuff]

@@SherlockHolmesb-kp4ru Possibly, however much of the great houses' histories involve them gradually absorbing their neighbours and transforming them into vassals. Who's to say the same thing couldn't continue happening? The Reach used to be composed of four kingdoms as opposed to one. One of these was the kingdom of the marcher lords, who have now fractured and been split between the Reach and Stormlands (with the houses' loyalty now split). Could a similar division of loyalty and gradual eating of the land not occur again? Not to mention, another one of the former reach kingdoms was the kingdom of the Hightowers, which controlled all of the houses along the Honeywine and up to the Red Mountains (all of which then became vassals to the Gardeners). The kingdom agreed to merge with the Reach to better combat and defend itself from the Ironborn, despite being fairly powerful on its own, so such an event occuring is not impossible for this universe. Perhaps the swelling power of the Hoares could convince either the Westerlands, Reach or Stormlands to merge for better military support. Maybe a new house would be created from the union of two great houses to oversee both regions (such as House Goldenhand or Stormer). All this being said, thematically it probably would make more sense for it to require either the power of a dragon or the existential threat of the Others to unite the continent (as the men of Westeros can seeimingly only be united by ice or fire).

[@KaiHung-wv3ul]

​@@NeonManStuff I don't see the borders of Dorne, the Vale, or the North changing that much, the Gardeners might carve up the Stormlands(taking the marches and Cape Wrath) with the Hoares. The Hoares might turn their sights to their ancestral rivals of the Lannisters, and I bet the Velaryons or Targaryens will still intervene in Westeros without Aegon. However I feel like the Hoares are ultimately doomed for failure, and rebellions in the Stormlands, Riverlands, and maybe even the Iron Islands, funded by Highgarden and Casterly Rock will ultimately overthrow them. In which case these regions will probably once more split into warring kingdoms, only to reunite, either through conquest by the Lannisters, Gardeners, or Arryns, or united by a more powerful house like the Vances, Freys, or whoever ends up controlling Harrenhal.

[@johnny_thunder_3024]

I think they would just keep stagnating, but now as I say this one idea crossed my mind, at the time of the conquest Black Harren Hoare was the most powerful king in Westeros, maybe he could've continued his conquests and eventually conquered all of Westeros instead of Aegon?

[@DJayEJay]

Great video! Here's an idea, maybe cover the migrations into Westeros? The First Men, the Andals, and the Rhoynar, and the exploits of each group as they moved in. If that's too much, maybe just cover one group.

[@NeonManStuff]

I was thinking about suggesting the same idea. However I do worry that we may lack enough information about pre-andal Westeros to be able to guess how things could have advanced. Once possibility could be that, if the Andals never invaded, the North would be able to gather more allies in the south through their shared religion (due to the absence of the Faith of the Seven) and grow to possibly conquer parts of the Riverlands and Vale.

[@rovert881]

I would love to see an occasional What If scenario along with your other content. Keeps things fresh. If you take requests, What if Rhaenyra won the Dance? What if Rhaegar won the Rebellion? And various scenarios about different victories in the War of the Five Kings would be cool as well

[@arkcliref]

I think it would be interesting if the infant Maegor actually got chosen as king, I would pay GRRM to write that regency

[@justdirt]

I think the most obvious Alternative history is Aerys not going to the tourney of Harrenhall. It would mean near universal support for Rhaegar overthrowing the mad king. We barely know anything about the rebellion before it properly started besides vague mentions, but I think there are so many different branching outcomes from just this small thing alone

[@BatFlash52]

It’s here! What If time baby! Heh Bloodraven is killed, Aegor Bittersteel must be thrilled

[@aegorbittersteel2154]

I have been checking for hours just for this video 😂

[@Flipdip32]

Great video! I think the Blackfyres definitely had the chance to take the Iron Throne at a few points, but there were always going to be some kind of obstacles actually holding onto it. Especially with how close Dorne was to the Throne at some of these points and the various anti-Dornish lords apart of the faction, a conflict in Dorne would be inevitable and wars fought in Dorne never go well. "What If Viserys Married Laena Velaryon?" could be an interesting one. It could potentially be Rhaenyra vs. the Velaryons and led to other completely different marriages and alliances.

[@ilovemesomme]

Digging this new series. Would love to see an alternate history where the Greens won outright and Daeron the Daring succeeding Aegon II.

[@alexsam6292]

Yes, you should do more what of videos, like what if the Greens decisively win the Dance, or the Blacks decisively win the Dance.

[@PhilHug1]

11:15 Robert Baratheon: “I am inevitable.”

[@ZomgyLand]

Like it a lot! I think another interesting one would be around Aegon's Conquest - what if the North never knelt, what if they got Dorne, wgat if Harren the Black bent the knee etc.

[@dineshbalu6107]

What if North never knelt?? - That's simple House Stark and any and every single House in the Northern Region would have burnt and wiped off from the face of the Earth...

[@EPE444]

I cant believe this video had never been done. Thank you so much, sir

[@fantasyhaven1]

You're welcome

[@yoda9240]

I love the alt fantasy! I would be interested to see your take on what would have happened if the Andal Invasion failed, especially in the Vale. Also alternate timelines for the main series: Stannis doesn't kill Renly with a shadow baby, perhaps going after King's Landing first like the King's Men suggest; Edmure allows (or is unable to prevent) Tywin's crossing of the Trident, so Tywin can't stop the fall of KL; Theon is more competent when meeting with Balon and convinces him to invade the Westerlands for the greater plunder; Robb doesn't marry Jeyne Westerling so no Red Wedding but he's still losing the war and has to retake Moat Cailin from the ironborn; Oberyn isn't killed by the Mountain that Rides, and he and Tyrion sail to Dorne to crown Myrcella as Queen of the Seven Kingdoms. There are so many cool options. Can't wait to see what you do next with 'What If?'

[@DeclanWhite1453]

Great video always wanted more alternate histories of westeros

[@writingwyvern6065]

A "what if" that's been stuck in my mind for a while, is what if Robert succumbed to his wounds at the Battle of the Trident. Like he was wounded after he killed Rhaegar, so it was very possible and it's a far more interesting "What if" then him just losing the battle. With one last big defeat, the Targaryen forces were done no matter what, but how would the rebellion really function in the aftermath. Also, with the death of Big Bobby B, the Lannister might be slower to responded and have to change plans, maybe even march towards Storm's End instead. I mean if Tywin wanted to butter up the rebellion, he might try and save Stannis instead. He would be the Heir of the rebellion after Robert's death. Which would lead to the Stark Forces reaching King's Landing First, I still think Jaime would kill the Mad King, but the aftermath would be way more chaotic. I can probably write 2-3 more paragraphs of this idea, but I don't feel like boring y'all. But just to share possible endings from this idea, there would have to be another Great Council to pick the next king. Yeah, Stannis would probably be chosen, but if the Stark's had taken King's landing, there would be no sacking or kid-killing. This means little Aegon, Rhaenys, and Elia Martell would still be alive, yeah Viserys and Daenerys would still be out there. But there will be more claims being seen. Plus, an unsuspecting chance of a possible Stark takeover. Like yeah Stannis is like 90% going to get it. But Eddard was leading forces, married to another great house in the Tullys and spent many years in the Vale. If the Tower of Joy stayed the same, then he would also have given back Dawn which would just give him more renown. Plus, if the rebellion allows the defected houses to vote, I don't think the Reach would want Stannis to win. Since you know, their probally afraid he holds a grudge. While Dorne would see him returning Dawn and sparing Elia Martell and her children as a plus. Not even mention the North, it's hard to not see the possibility of the realm picking our boy Nedd. But then again, Jon Arryn might not fully support Nedd, because like Nedd himself, probably sees it through the eyes of Stannis being next in line(Justice and all of that). Then Tywin would try and push for Stannis since Stannis can marry Cersei. His Faith would be a problem for some (sort of counterbalance with being married to Catelyn). And the fact that if Nedd spoke on the matter first, he would probably put his name out of the running right away and support Stannis. But if other people speak for their support for Nedd first, then there is a chance for King Eddard Start to be a possibility. (I could say more but I rather not write an essay on this idea.)

[@NeonManStuff]

That's an interesting spin on the popular "What if Rhaegar Won the Battle of the Trident". Good idea!

[@Handsomesal]

Alternate history is one of my favorite fantasy genres. I really enjoyed this video. I hope you expand the concept to a regular series featuring Westorosoi alternate history. Obviously what if Rhaegar killed Robert on the Trident would be a highly requested topic.

[@fantasyhaven1]

Yeah, that seems to be the most popular request so far!

[@josephbulkin9222]

Beautiful. What a Glorious timeline.

[@aegorbittersteel2154]

It's Beautiful I have been watching it for 46 minutes now

[@SunsteelAnorang]

Love to see that one eyed birb man is crucial and thus have to be killed to rebellion to succeed. Every time scene of him dieing plays (really sure that they are different between each other) I have little giggle

[@NeonManStuff]

Bloodraven sees all from his many eyes... except for the eye he lost.

[@theannouncer5538]

I love the art for these videos

[@fantasyhaven1]

Thanks!

[@ak-skeleton-7195]

You should do a Robert’s rebellion what if. It could be about the rebellion failing or Robert dying to Rhaegar or Jon con.

[@thedemocraticfilipino6417]

What the heck?? This is an amazing alternate scenario! Bravo! What if Robb honored his agreement with Lord Frey. Sounds like a good idea to me.

[@michellem6451]

Bobby B being inevitable is peak

[@kieffermorgan]

What if Visaerys got the Dothraki to cross the Narrow sea and invaded Westeros?

[@Okcucumber]

Great video! This one keeps me up at night: What if Renly didn’t eat the peach?

[@joaovitorfelix3621]

I loved the idea! I leave the suggestion of a "What if Robert and Rhaegar died during the Rebellion?"

[@Flipdip32]

Ooh that's a fun one! Depending on the circumstances could lead to either King Stannis, Viserys III or Aegon VI lmao

[@KOCChristian]

@@Flipdip32tbh Stannis wasn’t in the fight and a lot lord didn’t know him at all so he may not get the crown. Probably three man alliance of Tywin Ned Stark and Jon Arrya. Until our Jon snow become of age or if Ned convince them make him heir.

[@Flipdip32]

@@KOCChristian I don't think it would really matter if a lot of lords aren't familiar with Stannis, he'd still be Robert's heir AND unmarried. Knowing Tywin, he would probably want to marry him to Cersei if he still sided with the Rebels with both Robert and Rhaegar dead. Even then I still don't think it would be Jon. Either baby Aegon would still be alive, Rhaegar's firstborn son would have a much stronger claim than him, or Viserys, who would be older than both and was named heir by Aerys after Rhaegar's death over Aegon (who Tywin also supposedly wanted to marry to Cersei).

[@writingwyvern6065]

Oh, this idea been stuck in my head for a while now too. So many possibilities during the chaos of Robert's death, personally there I feel like a new Great Council to decide the new king is pretty possible and would be interesting.

[@tywinlannister9391]

I don't know why but I love Maelys. Your videos are excellent !

[@aegorbittersteel2154]

Long Live House Blackfyre🗡 Wish I lived in these glorious universes.

[@vibechecker3168]

The least loyal Blackfyre supporter

[@aegorbittersteel2154]

@@vibechecker3168 😂

[@Isuream6331]

I thought you were just an annoying Daemon fan, but then I saw your name and profile picture. Bloodraven x Shiera Seastar for life

[@aegorbittersteel2154]

@@Isuream6331 Boooooo tree zombie is the worst

[@Isuream6331]

@@aegorbittersteel2154 Says the guy who got named “Bittersteel” because of how much of a grumpy sot you were

[@Pastalgia]

Really cool idea. You can do à lot of what ifs in Asoiaf universe.

[@limbobilbo8743]

Some obvious what ifs: - robert lost - daeron the first succeeding in dorne - the greens winning concretely And one i’d love to see: - what if the lannisters sued for peace during the war of the five kings and the north remained independent

[@georged7059]

Really like this format of what if style videos

[@rohaankhan7523]

These what if videos are so entertaining 😅 honestly one of the most interesting ones in the entire ASOIAF fandom's

[@StarLord-jq4kv]

Could you do a video explaining the Grand Northern Conspiracy? it would be great to hear your perspective on that

[@Rebel_Lord_Taron]

Great damn video!!! Loved it! You definitely should make more what if videos!! There was another channel that did a bunch of them several years ago but they were not as cool as yours would be

[@Spongebrain97]

Very cool video. I don't think Iv come across an alternate history of Blackfyre victories video. Please do more because there's lots in ASOIAF

[@fgtrhwu2]

So many possibilities with a What If series. Like what if the Vale and the Iron Isles declared for Robb Stark. Even that alone is intriguing. What if Jon takes Stannis's offer to be come Jon Stark? There's so many interesting scenarios

[@fantasyhaven1]

👀

[@cephasoj108]

Late lord haven dropped another banger let's go

[@izanlemosroma4917]

This video was very interesting! I would love to see more of them. Maybe one "what if Rhaenyra won the Dance of the Dragons".

[@LsElite4210]

This is a rly cool ideal I’d be cool to see the main timeline tacked my favorite “what if” was always what if Theon didn’t betray rob

[@callumdwyer7882]

BREAKING NEWS: In a shocking turn of events, Aenys Blackfyre has won all 7 kingdoms with 99.99% of votes, Blackfyre supporters are celebrating in the streets. Local egg enthusiast quoted as saying, "This some bullshit!"

[@writingwyvern6065]

Gotta Love WNN, better than WOLF News. Giving us reliable news straight from Kings Landing

[@jackochoko5469]

Great video concept! Definitely keep it up :)

[@claytongillespie754]

More what if vid for sure but I want a vid that goes deeper into the Frey rebellion and the incoming Vale invasion of the Riverlands

[@The_Malcontented]

I've come back to re-watch this video more than once. I would LOVE more what if videos!

[@wildghoul7485]

I love what if content. May I suggest what if the Dance of the Dragons never happened. Or if it went a different route

[@TheSpaceEnthusiast-vl6wx]

Thanks, Fantasy Haven!

[@mikelcatalan4421]

I don't know if it would be possible considering the events of the main books aren't done yet but, i think what if Stannis won the battle of the Blackwater? could be a cool scenario

[@Ghost-ql3hl]

Good old Bobby B I love that’s how we collectively refer to him hahah😂

[@stevenhayes7910]

This was an excellent video! Loved how deeply you thought about each rebellion. Very well done. I'm all for more "What If" content!

[@rafanando4207]

Kinda waiting on a what if about the dance of dragons or Maegors reign

[@johnpotts8308]

Love that we end with King Bobby B anyway. Presumably he'd rule as Robert Targaryen in this scenario, though.

[@Valkanna.Nublet]

I love how Aerys's goatee makes him look permanently surprised.

[@colshotlp9692]

The what ifs are absolutely great... Awesome Video

[@cpolt1192]

Great video! How about What if Aegon the dragon had no heirs? Or no true blooded heirs? What if Visenya had died and not Rhaenys? There may be no kingsguard without her, how would that effect the future?

[@itaipee]

Challenge : what if Ned actually listen to Gared, the night watchman diserter from the first chapter and episode ?

[@sonofbjorn1826]

Amazing video,enjoyed every second of it

[@johnny_thunder_3024]

This was a lot of fun! I especially liked the one with the Brightflame rebellions, makes sense if Aurion and baby Maegor are the only legitimate Targaryens left

[@bradwolf07]

I don't think Dragons would be brought back into the world if the Blackfyre Rebellions succeeded, but it's still an interesting What If

[@JohnRStrachan]

Great stuff as always! I have a suggestion: what would happen if Ned had stayed in the North?

[@thing_under_the_stairs]

I wish he would have!

[@phillipthompson5937]

Loved the vid! Definitely do more. I've always wondered what would have happened in Rob won the War of 5 kings? What is Balon and the Greyjoy's won?

[@createdbyseere]

Very fun video, I always love hearing about the Blackfyers!

[@plasmiusphantom]

Broooooo this is so good! You even kept George's logic in there. I salute thee

[@fantasyhaven1]

Thanks

[@cyrusthenotsogreat744]

I like this alternate fantasy experiment a lot! Hope you do more like it!

[@matztz_4560]

It would be cool to See maelys the monstruous vs maegor brightflame, so sick Nicknames

[@GallowglassVT]

This is great. Would love to see an video on what would happen if the Children of the Forest managed to maintain a presence south of the Wall after the Andal invasion, whether in small enclaves in the south or by making use of their alliance with the First Men to maintain some territory.

[@parascopicvision]

Fun scenario! I’d like to see other “what-ifs” centered on a smaller scale alternative outcomes as well. I think starting-with-the-end result, so to speak, isn’t as interesting. I think a reversal of every action that led to the Blackfyres defeat, for example, doesn’t hold as much water. This was very entertaining besides. Maybe explore why these changes occurred in this universe as opposed to the canon? Something instead like, “what if Haegon Blackfyre was not dishonorably slain”, and maybe speculate on how that might affect the succession or future wars leading up to the time of the books (it’d definitely change the Great Council imo).

[@TheDeadlyKnight]

This was fun as hell. Great work. My only quibble might be that if Maelys & the Band of Nine succeeded, Ser Derrick Fossoway The Bad Apple might perhaps become Lord Paramount of The Reach, Warden of the South, Lord of Cider Hall. & Liege to the Lords Tyrell & Hightower

[@tzook4080]

I have played through each of the blackfyre rebellions dozens of times, in CK2. I can't believe I'm only just finding this channel. I am in love. I adore your content, and I can't wait to continue listening through your library of uploads!

[@ryanvalderrama9413]

Loved it! What if Bobby B was slain at the battle of the Bells?

[@redjirachi1]

Cody Franklin: What is this, a crossover episode?

[@krimzonstriker7534]

What if Aerys Kingsguard fled with Jon across the Narrow Sea before Ned arrived and joined Viserys and Dany in exile? Makes me wonder if Varys and Illyrio can even go ahead with Young Griff with a son of Rhaegar already in play, and if they might just switch to going with Jon instead :p

[@thatoneblackdude3333]

Aegon would still be the older brother so I doubt jons existence would hender their plans.

[@krimzonstriker7534]

@@thatoneblackdude3333 But Jon would have three Kingsguard that could vouch for his authenticity as a son of Rhaegar unlike Young Griff 😉

[@thatoneblackdude3333]

@@krimzonstriker7534 I guess but jons claim would still be dubious as rhagars relationship with lyanna was not ligament in the eyes of westaros since rhagar was already married with elia so Jon would be seen as a basterd who doesn't even look targaryen so his claim would still be weaker compared to aegon who looks targaryen and claims to be the son of elia who was legally married to rhagar.

[@krimzonstriker7534]

@@thatoneblackdude3333 Eh you can solve that by marrying Jon to Dany to bolster his claim, and the main thing is that Young Griff would have been hidden and unable to establish himself in people's minds as legit unlike Jon.

[@thatoneblackdude3333]

@@krimzonstriker7534 but would visarys agree to that marriage ? He already had a problem with rhago you think he'd be ok with the son of some northern whore who seduced his beloved brother and caused their situation in the first place( his perspective not mine ) who's legitimacy is dubious to marry his only baby sister ? , but I guess you have a point with the other kingsguards still alive and with the targaryens it would be harder for illyrio and varys to push aegon when their are people alive who can question his existence and legitimacy.

[@soren7550]

What If?... the dragons survived past the Dance?

[@N0obz_18]

You should definitely do more asoiaf what ifs cuz this video was really good and i would love to see what else you could do

[@Maxi_Friedrich]

Love it. An idea for a next video: What if Robb married a Frey's girl?

[@zaepham357]

Love the king Bobby cannon event

[@fivefs]

What if Rob hadn’t broken his oath to the Frey’s and Arya had asked Jaqen to kill Tywin in the same timeline? Would it have been in time to make the Greyjoys less bold? Would Rob have sent a letter to Jon ending his duty to the wall and asking for him at his side? Would Melisandre’s spell still killed him? Would the Hound have brought Arya and fought for the Starks? Where would the Lannisters and Tyrell have stood with Tywin gone? I love how much chaos this What If would have

[@hoyer]

Did not know house haven is a stormland house.

[@alanmike6883]

Enjoyed Very Much. Heres a what if. What if the Tully army joined the fray From the beginning? What if sansa had been betrothed to the tyrells? What if tywin had never been born? Edit: I meant if the arryn forces joined at the beginning not Tully 😂🤦

[@PfyscheStyx]

i have no idea how i didn’t see this when it came out but yes! do more what ifs!

[@arkiv7851]

You should absolutely do a few Green victory scenarios for the Dance of the Dragons. These animations are perfect.

[@OneFiction666]

I've always been interested to know how history would've gone if Rhaegar kidnapped Cersei instead of Lyanna...

[@thatoneblackdude3333]

He couldn't kidnap her she was ether in kingslanding or casterly rock .

[@miguelangelsalinasrico2365]

loved the detail of bobby b canon

[@maninthewall7050]

I always found it odd that the Tyrell's didn't support Daemon Blackfyre given their relationship with Dorne. Or the Baratheons for that matter.

[@DrunkenStorm118]

I think Leo Longthorn must have had a pretty favourable position on the small council or something, or just wanted to retain the status quo. Even though the Stormlands is historically anti-Dornish, they didn't outright support either side at the onset of the war. I'm guessing since Jena Dondarrion was married to the crown prince, and the reality that the king (Valarr) would eventually be half-Stormlander played a part in their eventual support of Daeron. Also, seeing Baelor Breakspear riding north through the Stormlands with a considerable Dornish host likely scared them into choosing the Targaryen side.

[@ScholaroftheCitadel]

Exquisite video lord haven watched it 3 times in a row

[@sankarkrishnan407]

In the case of fifth blackfyre rebellion we must aware that Bloodraven aka Three Eyed Raven was watching the whole scenario.

[@archeogeek315]

What if Lady was not executed, it’s a popular one and for good reason so much wasted potential not seeing Sansa have wolf dream. I know some people will tell me it’s impossible but I disagree. Ned doesn’t have to do shit he was not really commended by Robert (who didn’t give a shit) but he wanted to appease tension with Lannisters (to better investigate them) he later regretted the decision. He could have lied and sent lady back to Winterfell (it’s not like anyone could verify). Plus if Sansa had told the truth I think he would feel compelled to save Lady. We could see a Lady Catelyn Stark duo.