What if the HRE was reformed after WW1?

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Portuguese subtitles please

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Guestion when we will have the part 2 of the Byzantium?

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The "what if Alexanders empire survived" part 2 got 3k likes is a part 3 coming out soon?

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Thanks for the subtitles bro👏👏

[@Videntis.History]

Sorry youtube demonetized the 1st version. I'm not sure why. If youve already watched this, please leave it on muted in the background so the video does die in the algorithm. Thanks for the support.

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Make a video where the USA adopts the culture of Roman Britain, after its independence

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You are our Constantinople and we won’t let you fall

[@JoboGamezzz]

Napoleon the third perfect history ftw

[@isimperialist]

This would only happen if everyone negotiating the treaty drank copius amounts of alcohol, causing lapses in judgement, and they were partially blind.

[@sentinel_kronos839]

bro made a HRE edit inside of an alternate history video

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It was fire

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[@whateverthisis389]

So what you're saying is... the entire point of divergence is literally just Austria building tanks?

[@Wendeta-hq2cp]

I mean Austria also switched sides.

[@M22_Gaming]

@@Wendeta-hq2cp and also made their army allot better with reforms

[@thenamesianna]

God save Franz the Kaiser !

[@Jürgen_von_Schumacher]

Gott erhalte Franz den Kaiser! Unsern guten Kaiser Franz.

[@connorlambfurlotte]

Persönlich würde ich mich eher mit Wilhelm II. als Kaiser identifizieren, aber auch Franz wäre eine gute Wahl... Es lebe das Kaiserreich!

[@Jürgen_von_Schumacher]

@@connorlambfurlotte Ich mag beide Kaiser. Sie gerieten beide in eine unüberwindliche Lage und gaben ihr Leben in dem Versuch, das Beste für ihre Kaiserreiche und Königreiche zu tun. Als Monarchist machen mich beide stolz auf das Deutsche Reich und das Österreichisch-Ungarische Reich.

[@JoboGamezzz]

Poor German empire Willy really got screwed

[@crusader2112]

F's for Willy. F

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[@crusader2112]

I love this. Hope we get a part 2. A.E.I.O.U. A good book for anyone interested in Karl I is Blessed Charles of Austria by Charles Coulombe. P.S. I am disappointed with Wilhelm II in this. Also, it wouldn’t be the Kaiser making these decisions but rather Hindenburg and Ludendorff.

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[@memazov6601]

I wanna see if Novogorod republic united Russia and create a sort of russian republic instead of tsardom of russia

[@motivationallizard6644]

Russia would probably be in a better position to become a western style democracy rather than an absolutist autocracy. Novgorod was itself a bit of a pseudo republic by the time Moscow conquered it. So if all we say is that Muscovy never defeats Novgorod and instead Novgorod beats Muscovy and absorbs it, then we’d probably have a and more democratic Russia that would modernize with the rest of Europe instead of being steeped in serfdom and absolutism which led to the Russian revolution. The clearest way you could accomplish this is by having the novgorodians win the battle of Shelon which put them fully under the Muscovite boot after they originally lost. They probably take a century to consolidate power over all of Muscovite territory and recover but that’s just in time for the reformation, thirty years war, and the deluge in Poland. This offers a pretty interesting scenario considering the Russian state would be much more connected with the renaissance and reformation, and the grand princes and boyars were never close Allies go the orthodox clergy, so maybe a new branch of Protestantism pops up in Russia. However Instead of the Catholics getting a divorce it’s the Orthodox Church and Novgorod. Although I don’t think this scenario is very likely it is interesting to think about, since the state isn’t nearly as intertwined or smitten with the church in this timeline and reformist ideas would be spread much easier. I think at most you see something like what Catherine the great did where the influence of the clergy is reduced and their property holdings reformed along with serfdom as the enlightenment rolls around revolutionizing the country and giving the nation a massive cash injection from the amount of property now distributed to farmers and families no longer as reliant on boyars or priests for their lives. Instead they take a much more independent route and form a mercantile style economy as farming explodes with scientific advancement and with boyars acting more as administers and governors than oppressors with representation being gradually extended in the republic like what occurred in Great Britain with the commons growing in power as the House of Lords slowly declines. The result is a far richer more educated Russia that likely wages wars of expansion during the 1600’s into Finland, Eastern Europe, and Siberia , only this time they’re able to populate it far more effectively without the tsars or communists throwing people into gulags or committing genocides. There would likely still be a civil war at some point with enlightenment ideals driving reform. Maybe it’s over the reform of the church, maybe it’s over the boyars slowly losing power, or maybe it’s for a different reason, but it probably happens nonetheless , but it likely results in a half and half compromise like what happened in the UK with parliament gaining more power as the boyars retain a certain degree of influence in the institutions and their own house. But the end of the story is that Russia is far more populous, far more powerful, and probably enters the late 17 and early 1800’s as a juggernaut alongside the ottomans and British

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@@motivationallizard6644 calm down man

[@crpse-qf6rh]

@@bomx-w2qi think he likes Novgorod not sure how much 😂

[@buzter8135]

​@@motivationallizard6644 Novgorod was sparsely populated and lacked the capabilities to integrate foreign entities.

[@orrorsaness5942]

@@buzter8135 Absolute Monarcho Socialism with Democratic Elections, just like Novgorod in The Roman Empire Megacampaign. They are still led by The Romanovs, who they see as helping the Workers.

[@GKF2008]

Nice vid! Still waiting for the second part of the Byzantum video😅

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Right there with you!

[@AndreaMoletta-s3c]

And i'm waiting for the second part of the Holy Roman Empire.

[@lynnrotter8642]

I think this is and intressting idea, but I don't think the HRE had ever a chance to be recreated. That's why the German Empire did so well, for it could easily rule and be the main power over the German States and make them united. The HRE after it's early years was never united fully, and a modern HRE would have to be semi-united or follow in the United States type of thing. Now a united German Empire under the House of Habsburg is something I could see, but again I think it would have to be much eariler for that to happen, but this is a great video man and you did it really well.

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

why can't the HRE just be the german empire under the Habsburgs, no different except for the name?

[@Jürgen_von_Schumacher]

I agree. After the HRE fell in 1806, it could only have been revived if the Austrians had won the revolutionary wars and maintained their position as the deciders of the Germans' fate. But I don't think it should have been revived as it would only keep Germany stuck in the Middle Ages. I think there would have been a lot of Nationalist rebellions in the HRE if it had been revived. If it wanted to survive, the HRE would eventually have to become a more unified or central country and perhaps accept the loss of Hungary and Yugoslavia because of it. Don't get me wrong, I love the HRE and the Middle Ages. I'm very proud of that aspect of our history. However I don't see how an HRE would last in the modern world. Not without , as you say, modeling itself after the US to unify the realm while giving some religious and cultural freedoms to the Hungarians and Slavs of the realm, but also focusing more on unifying the German people.

[@crusader2112]

​@@Jürgen_von_SchumacherWhat if the HRE was modernized and more Centralized than its Middle Ages counterpart?

[@Ethiopian_Mapping]

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[@benjaminobienu5297]

This is incredible, Mr. Videntis. Yes, I would love to see part two, where the restored Holy Roman Empire and the British Commonwealth were the ones who ended the sphere of the Communists and restored the natural order. I'll give this video 100 out of 100 for this masterpiece, and I want to see more of it while I continue supporting you. This needs a part two, right one? Does anyone agree with me?

[@crusader2112]

Would there be a Cold War between the HRE & the British or would they cooperate for the betterment of Europe?

[@Felix40k]

Yes that would be awesome

[@youthoughtaboutit6946]

I’d say a version in which it’s one united nation would have made for a more interesting scenario, rather than reforming to how it was during the 18th century when it was already long since declined from it’s actual strong state and not instituting an elective monarchy would probably be a better idea, since even allowing it in theory basically cheapens the fighting of the Austrians themselves.

[@crispgeneral3462]

I thought this was gonna be an Austria magically wins but I was surprised. Nice vid!

[@Videntis.History]

Thanks! 😃

[@IstorieCuIancu673]

Video idea:what if Bulgaria and Romania united in 1878 (as proposed in our timeline) and still made the balkan war. In ww1 the country joins the entante and gains constantinopole,Bessarabia,Transilvania,Banat,etc. In ww2 the country joins the allies and dosen’t lose lands to the USSR and gains land from hungary (Alfold) and joins NATO in 1950

[@bretthuff8971]

Part 2 PLEASE!!!

[@GeorgianPapist514]

Sucks that we won’t see a part 2

[@AndreaMoletta-s3c]

I want part 2 of this so bad.

[@GeorgianPapist514]

@@AndreaMoletta-s3c same, it’s such a fun scenario but instead Byzantium gets 3 parts

[@tibsky1396]

Contrary to the misconceptions, It was not Charlemagne who created it. Historically, the Holy Roman Empire was formed in the 10th century by the Ottonian dynasty, bringing together two of the divisions of the Carolingian Empire defined by the Treaty of Verdun of 843. At the same time as the emergence of the Capetians in West Francia.

[@Videntis.History]

Yeah ik, but the emperors always claimed Charlemagne was the founder and so did the church

[@lettucearsebiscuits8375]

If Otto derived his legitimacy from Charlemagne and ruled largely over the same lands, it might as well be the same empire.

[@nealjroberts4050]

And even Charlemagne wasn't billed as creating but restoring the Roman Empire (in the West)

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Lotarius and Louis the german

[@TimMordy]

Another amazing great and detailed video. And I love your maps they are the best maps I’ve ever seen

[@Videntis.History]

Thanks a ton!

[@AuoraWolf5911]

Imagine this and the byzantium Greek one in this timeline too

[@LuisGuillermoWongVelez]

The new west roman empire and east roman empire.

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Another BANGER! 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@taraldomland8657]

Though this may be way to unrealistic, I now want to see a hoi4 mod for this!

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Never thought id swe the Say someone brought back the HRE here! You're the Best 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@alexzero3736]

The scenario lacks proper premise. IRL the Straff Expedition was repelled with some effort. And was not so wide attack to push all Italian forces to the coast. Also it is very dubious for Germany to accept all that.

[@TheHatersarebad]

We need the Byzantine sequel video

[@YoshiaLubbe]

Yeah! I'm with you there!

[@BudokaiMan-mr9tw]

Finally, an alternate history part I can get behind!

[@benjaminobienu5297]

Here is an exciting idea for a future alternate history video: What if the Hohenzollern had ruled the Holy Roman Empire during the 17th century with Frederick the Great becoming the new Holy Roman Emperor of the HRE? What if This led to the aftermath of the Silesian Wars and had the elector sates and German principalities, kingdoms, and duchies join Prussia's side who disliked Hpsburg hegemony over the HRE and if what this led Frederick the Great to become the new Holy Roman Emperor and how would the HRE be like under his rule and what would change? What if France had invaded England after the Hundred Years War, with Louis VIII ( 8th) becoming the King of England and successfully occupying the island? With Louis VIII crowned Louis I of England? What would that mean for France's future? Would it have replaced Britain as the dominant naval power, and would there have been a French Empire to replace the British Empire? Which of these ideas do you like best, Mr. Videntis? Which ones are favorites and why?

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"I'm the spy" - Austria and Huxgary

[@randomguy6152]

What if Crassus conquered Persia

[@MadMonkofDenver]

You've become my favorite alternate history channel. Keep up the good work!

[@Iron_Blood_Enjoyer1933]

Idea: What if the Peterloo Massacre in 1819 caused Britain to have their own revolution much like the French?

[@Azrenthe1stHighKing]

The Allies would never have allowed for The Holy Roman Empire to reform especially France.

[@AndreaMoletta-s3c]

Who cares about whatever France said?

[@amlking]

Great video

[@AndreaMoletta-s3c]

I'm from Rome and I love this timeline. Viva il Papa-Re! 🇻🇦

[@Adwitiya-iw2ln]

4:55 HRE Edit

[@TheRavenLord1]

The idea of the HRE coming together and uniting is an interesting path if history went this way. Like if the HRE actually became a single entity within Europe and became a power house. Only thing is, this nation called Belgium still existing.

[@florianbarkowski6856]

One of my favourite alternate histories with some grounding in the eraly history of the HRE. It just was not as dynastically stable as france. However if this truly happened the HRE would have become the european hegemon which would have been immediately involved in wars to put it down.

[@sahilhossian8212]

Lore of What if the HRE was reformed after WW1? Momentum 100

[@itapi697]

Would be awesome to see a second part for this scenario. I really enjoyed the video

[@RobertAndelora]

yeah if bulgaria doesn't go communist and greece, serbia, romania, and turkey do like videntis said, (14:54 if your wondering) we could have a greater bulgaria form after this timelines ww2

[@Tyler-n5u]

​@@RobertAndelora So we have HRE and now a potential greater Bulgaria

[@Mr-Case_]

I hate what happend to the Kaiserreich here but i just love this new Hre!

[@snapdragonzoroark]

Yeah, the Wilhelm would have to be mentally deranged to not make peace after the Austrians mopped the floor with the Italians and Russians

[@meltedsoul1606]

This would be a good hoi4 mod

[@radored7750]

We need part 2.

[@simedu444]

Why is Belgium a part of the HRE in this scenario ? + The idea that France would crash without reparation is just wrong for the simple reason thatGermany actually paid nothing of what they were supposed to (approximately 5 out of 130 billions)

[@Videntis.History]

i briefly touch on it but its because the hre is funding reconstruction efforts. Them and Switzerland will have a referendum in 25 years if they want to remain or leave the empire. Im not too sure on the France part, but it probably isnt the most likely thing i guess

[@simedu444]

@@Videntis.History Oh sorry I didn't hear the referendum part for Belgium

[@MillitaryDictatorBigJ]

@@Videntis.HistoryThe Entente would never allow that to happen. And there is no reason Belgium and Switzerland couldn't have just accepted foreign aid while retaining their independence.

[@moritzebert6118]

Pleeeeeease part 2

[@BlackTemplar_Legionary1392]

Part two please

[@Typhoon-77]

Could you do a what if England won the hundred years war?

[@therealmcromano319]

Karl I: My empire is being destroyed by war and ethnic tension, I must make peace Pope: Here’s a little dark age edit to change your mind Karl: Very based, time so restore Rome

[@mariadaconceicaorochaalvar3423]

Make a video if Portugal won the battle of Toro and put Joana in power. Please. A Portuguese hug❤❤❤

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Pls❤❤

[@Kiddo5010]

Could you do a video about the Song Dynasty of China and if they Industrialized? That is after the video i assume your working on currently.

[@yaboi3398]

great vid but im still waiting for the Byzantium video pls i'm begging you

[@elitegamerz8788]

very well made alt-hist scenario would love to see a part 2!

[@heavymetal3264]

What if Poland Lithuania resisted the partitioners?

[@danielkoschoff9284]

Do a what if the Vandee uprising in France successfully defeated the French Revolution captured Paris and restored the monarchy!!!

[@Respecteddude666]

Yo man, hope you do "what if the zirids never fell" I would appreciate it so much

[@Chicão_Santos]

Damn, there are no subtitles, it screwed me guys hahaha

[@Chicão_Santos]

Wow, I don't know if it was a bug or not, but the subtitles returned, incredible, thanks family

[@JustaSuccesfulTroll]

Part 2 please

[@randomguy6152]

I'm guessing you mean if the German states were dissolved back into the HRE including Austria and Prussia, well that would lead to an economic bloc that would just get influenced by communism and democracy on both ends

[@taWay21]

These maps are so f'n sexy bro

[@bretthuff8971]

What is the song that was used for the HRE clip? Also, what’s the source material for that part of the video?

[@inaktivfiok2274]

There is a part2?

[@legoguy570]

Cool

[@Literallyhim_fr]

Senecio idea: what if Sweden-Norway send help to Denmark in the second slewich (that’s spelled wrong I know) war and untied Scandinavia

[@frostnova8300]

Awesome 👌

[@ResistTheGreatReplacementEU]

Man I wish the Austrians actually did end up building their tanks in WW1 that they designed. It would’ve been cool lowkey.

[@Kaiser_von_Europa]

I never thought I see the day where someone will make this scenario of the HRE.

[@Videntis.History]

i remember you from day 1

[@Kaiser_von_Europa]

@@Videntis.History yes, you do, mate. Also personally, when I saw the title, I was expecting a centralised H.R.E to take over, not this continued mess. The H.R.E really needs to centralised itself which should be vid of it happening

[@sp4391]

Austria Hungary making tanks to steam roll Romania is wild

[@Hahatomato]

This is one of the South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands moments of all time

[@soppal_1697]

What about kaiserkrieg?

[@nl396]

Part 2, please!

[@anvos658]

Wait what how does the Great Depression happen here instead of just a recession? The US never had to intervene and thanks to the more mutual peace deal the US wasn't giving Germany loans to repay France so France could repay they US. Not to mention the mutual German/Austrian currency would definitely have more value than as wall paper and fire starter.

[@Videntis.History]

uh those are good points. idk it probably wouldnt happen, youre right

[@aegonthedragon7303]

A return to border gore, just as God would want. But one area which I think needed mentioning was religion. The protestant north would be a constant pain for the catholic south, and potentially causes the empire to internally fracture the same way it did during the Reformation in the 1520s. If the Habsburgs tried enforcing Catholicism, especially with the Papacy’s power increased and holding sway over governance, independence and restoration of the German Empire would likely grow into a full fledged movement in the northern states.

[@GeorgianPapist514]

Bl. Karl takes another W

[@Darth_Traitorous]

After Charlemagne was crowned holy Roman emperor the byzantines found out and were pissed off because they believed they were the continuation of Rome. It's quite fascinating that two styles of Rome existed at the same time, the Byzantine empire which was the continuation of Rome and the holy Roman empire which was located in Europe. The reason I am saying that the Byzantine empire was a continuation of Rome was one king of the original Rome had two sons he split the kingdoms between his two sons Eastern Byzantine and Western OG. Sadly we all know that Western Rome fell but Eastern Rome was still alive and proud for the 300 years that continued the traditions until the pope thought it was a bright idea to screw over the entire Byzantine empire, so they did try to invade Europe but were pushed back.

[@itsdreamtoonYT]

YIPPEE!

[@MrIncredible1495]

3:55 background song?

[@BrianKarolina-ip5mz]

We Need Part 2

[@Tobadogodogogobo]

I demand a pert 2

[@neptun6761]

Yes pls Part 2

[@Alfred_Leonhart]

Now this needs to be a hoi4 mod

[@Mr_OogaBooga]

amazing

[@sucellain7764]

Everything unrealistic in this vid: 1. It's unlikely that the Entente would allow the dismantling of Italy if they lost to Austria. The Entente powers, such as France and Britain, were not interested in seeing their allies weakened or dismembered. They would likely negotiate for terms that preserved Italy's territorial integrity, albeit possibly with some concessions depending on the circumstances of the peace negotiations. 2. Keeping austria would not make serbia and the balkan allies happy as they wanted to unite under nationalism 3. Why did germany get that much land even though the bolsheviks made peace early and didnt do the trosky no war no peace strategy they might just gain poland and some baltic lands 4. Germany invading switzerland is unlikely as they never got usa into the war and the eastern front ended early around 1916 so -2 more years

[@Videntis.History]

Yeah, it’s not realistic. It’s not supposed to be. I can’t think of a “realistic” way for the HRE to be revived. This was more of a fun thought experiment

[@saintekweena795]

Any timeline where France gets some land on top of Alsace Lorraine is a good timeline.

[@Anjana-]

This is very interesting!

[@Videntis.History]

Glad you think so!

[@Stelio33]

Continue the Alexander series

[@lucasvargasrosa2377]

what if france invaded belgium in 1914?

[@Juan-qu4oj]

Why would they do that

[@Wendeta-hq2cp]

Sorry but no. That treaty of Bucharest is all wrong. Romania would not have stood down if it was not compensated with Bessarabia. What's with that? Otherwise the video was nice!

[@lincolntamihana1428]

We need more likes!!!

[@ja_reakcjonista]

Deus, Patria, Rex!

[@5nhyfiery]

Austria is always peak I love Austria I love the HRE and I love the Habsburgs

[@11mousa]

Good video. Given how Austria was in a Powerhouse-Situation at that point, I highly doubt the Soviets would come to power directly in Russia. Karl would sue for a separate peace with the Tsar (or some sort of white army; who knows at this point) to prevent ungodly communism.

[@roastingskeleton3345]

Question: Would Austria give back Gallcia to Poland?

[@wrtekcz538]

i wish :(

[@Hobbyknight]

W video

[@ImTitan16]

What if America joined the axis is ww1?

[@khalidshubbar6911]

Still a better timeline than now.

[@wrtekcz538]

Who would Britain side with in ww2

[@DivineAlchemyOfSouls]

also, if you made a youtube membership thing id definitely join… just sayin!!

[@Videntis.History]

i have yt membership

[@loganpaschedag8829]

I’d assume the flag is back too!?

[@kop1807]

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