What If THE JEDI Found Palpatine Before Plagueis

[@StevetheWizard2591]

Master Sheev: "Have you ever heard of the tragedy of Darth Plageus the Wise?" Anakin: "Actually, I wrote my thesis on it."

[@suitcaseofsmarts]

Oh god anakin don’t bring up dichotomies again you already killed a master by doing that

[@marcoespinosamx]

LOL

[@kabob0077]

​@@suitcaseofsmartsWhat about the dichotomy of the Force?

[@TheFilthyFinch]

@@suitcaseofsmarts"I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE!"

[@andrewwilcke9378]

Yoda: dare, you should not, young skywalker

[@Aeros589]

Good , Anakin Good. Spare him. Spare him now. DEWIT

[@galagize9233]

😂😂😂

[@TheBrownBeacon-wt6oh]

🤣🤣🤣

[@andrewwilcke9378]

Anakin: i should, its the jedi way

[@TheBrownBeacon-wt6oh]

@@andrewwilcke9378 "DEW IT"

[@danieljessen8009]

Jedi Palpatine and young Anakin’s first encounter: “did you ever hear of the tragedy of Darth Plagiuos the Wise?” Anakin: “boy have I!? It’s front page news! Pretty wizard stuff.”

[@blindvision4703]

Sith Palpatine, linstening in from an alternate uforerse: "Wait, what?

[@dianesinger9729]

Oh now to be a fly on the wall for that conversation

[@nobbyfirefly57]

Dooku just casually aged and deaged

[@noahvadertheberserkerpacki6604]

I literally put these on and eat, work out, walk, ect. Doesn't really bother me. Given the many repeated images, the stories are what are advertised and what we come for.

[@bizmasterTheSlav]

I mean, there are very few young pictures of him

[@Mr.Kingen]

i do the exact same thing noah

[@Skelstoolbox]

yeah, this doesnt work because in the novel, darth paguise, dooku is only 2 years younger than palpatine himself. how is dooku an adult and palpatine a teen boy?

[@bizmasterTheSlav]

@@Skelstoolbox Dooku is canonically 20 years older than Palps.

[@aaron90omar]

It makes so much sense to have Alan Rickman (God rests his soul) casted as Cosinga Palpatine. Good one!

[@MC-ws7ez]

your not in my leag

[@aaron90omar]

@@MC-ws7ez Uhhh, what? English, pal. You don't speak it?

[@kronosshadow1554]

A continuation of this story would be nice, just to see how the relationship between Good Guy Palpatine and Anakin would look like

[@EvilSourMan]

It would be even better if he trains Ani

[@u.v.s.5583]

- Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise? - No. - I thought not. Dart Plagueis the Wise was a dark lord of Sith. He built a factory of droids and wanted to take over the galaxy and build a new Sith empire. - What happened to him? - Well, he thought I might join him because he sensed darkness in me. But I told him that he was the Sith lord and slew him. Ironic. He was the wisest and strongest Sith lord in existence, but now he is out of existence.

[@thepro7034]

To be fair, if I am not mistaken Anakin was created as a retaliation of the force as Darth Sidious and Plageus messed around with midichlorians. Since Palpatine was never a sith, there would be no reason for Anakin to exist.

[@kronosshadow1554]

@@thepro7034 and

[@jordanhall5446]

Im going to lose sleep over that young Palpatine picture.

[@thestarwarsgalaxy]

Lolllll

[@serballista]

LMFAO Did NOT expect to see a babyface Palpatine this afternoon

[@SensiofRabbitude]

Long time hated heel Palps with the unexpected run-in tp save the beloved babyface.

[@OmegaSteel429]

@@SensiofRabbitudeit’s all part of his push for the Inter Galactic Championship Belt

[@zerrierslizer1]

@@OmegaSteel429 mans doing curls without touching the weights lol.

[@KuDastardly]

Seeing young Palps with red hair makes me think he's a Harkonen, lol.

[@CabbageSandwich]

"Don't worry, de-aged palpatine isn't real, he can't hurt you" This video existing:

[@Aequitas_RJ]

Sheev Palpatine: "Have you ever heard of the tragedy of Darth Plageus the Wise?" Anakin: "Aw, I love this story, Master Palpatine." Younglings: "Tell us the story again, Master Sheev!!" Sheev Palpatine: "Alright, if I must... When I was a young boy, I rescued a queen..."

[@BigSteve9713]

What's crazy is this was possible, given Dooku was older then Sheev

[@Skelstoolbox]

no he wasn't, he was 2 years younger, in the darth plaguise novel. this doesnt work. dooku an adult and palpatine a teen boy?

[@danielk5780]

@@Skelstoolbox According to wookiepedia, Dooku was around 18 years older. That puts Dooku at age 28, when Sheev was 10. And at that time, Dooku was training Rael Averros, before ever taking on Qui Gon Jinn as a padawan.

[@Skelstoolbox]

@@danielk5780 fair enough..

[@danieljessen8009]

Wait so Alan Rickman is Sheev’s Dad? I love it

[@arieshellstormm9487]

The Greatest Respect

[@joachimbambury6376]

And timothee charlemet as young Sheev haha

[@DarthTerminus-wy3gp]

I thought that was great too! Great casting idea

[@marcoespinosamx]

@@DarthTerminus-wy3gp It would be great bringing back to life Alan Rickman wih AI and casting Timothée Chalamet as a young Palpatine

[@Kane-qf8dn]

The parallels between spying on plagiéis to anakin and palpatine is very cool

[@mikecotto1167]

I think you forgot that it was mace Windu who created Vapaad, so palpatine couldn’t learn a form that did not yet exist.

[@gabrielpowers9135]

Well you could argue that windu taught it to dooku since he never left

[@georgecrofoot8021]

Vapaad has been around since exar kun before the Era of the high republic.

[@anomalyfox5186]

@@georgecrofoot8021No, Juyo has been there, but not Vapaad. Vapaad was a special variant of form VII Juyo which was created by Windu after fighting a beast of the same name.

[@Politebanana1]

Facts!

[@arcticfox3243]

You forget this is a what if so cannon changes to fit story.

[@DarthTerminus-wy3gp]

Another great story idea, it was refreshing seeing dooku training Palpatine and hego damask having the Anakin/ Palpatine relationship in the real story, the added bonus of Alan Rickman playing Palpatines father was perfect!

[@Fordo007]

What if Palpatine was open about being a Sith and said the Jedi were persecuting him for his religion?

[@Integrous_Melodies]

I doubt that work unless we're talking about late into the clone wars. Even with basicly everyone except yoda from back them dead, the sith were remembered as evil, and the ones who caused many wars. Palpatine revealing himself publicly would either immediatly get him killed (pre- to early clone wars) or make the sepratists, and later rebellion much stronger due to more people joining.

[@JayF2912]

​@@Integrous_Melodies by the time of the prequels being a Sith isn't illegal, and most average citizens don't even know the difference between Jedi and Sith. He would be fine.

[@codename1176]

@@JayF2912issue he is still playing both sides and him admitting to being a with would get a massive investigation on him

[@randomdude6446]

​@@codename1176He doesn't need to admit to that just being a sith

[@Jon1xed]

I am a jedi master not yet its treason then

[@RinggoFukuhara]

“Its treason then Its unfair how could i be in the council but not being a master” Master skywalker: take a seat old palpatine

[@VeeTOHFan]

oh my god smooth palpatine jumpscare

[@Simmlex]

"Anakin, help! The goodness is taking me over!"

[@john98765333]

Dooku win! Interesting to see how Palpatine fell into the lineage of Yoda's training, It feels like this is a very natural progression of Dooku and Palpatine's relationship in the lightside, them striving to get things done, and with the will of the two of them, actually making good progress. Palpatine: "I've been trained in your political arts by Count Dooku!"

[@faiqamel4005]

Hearing palpatine had a rough childhood make sense why hes evil

[@sarahcook2818]

Yeah, it does. I recommend you read the novel, Darth Plagueis if you haven't already. It shows his rough childhood and really humanizes him.

[@faiqamel4005]

@@sarahcook2818 yeah he has a almost the same life anakin had but had make a Name for himself from the scratch,

[@charlestaylor253]

Yeah, but not THAT evil, just sort of mid-level evil...😏

[@OmAlexander1111]

All of your Tories are great. This one... would be a great basis for a continuation. The story of Palpatine training Anakin. Keep up you great works bud!

[@mickmufson1824]

I have a few ideas for What Ifs: What if Anakin/Vader returned to the light side after Palpatine told him that Padme had died? What if Anakin had visions of himself burning on Mustafar instead of Padme dying? What if Anakin killed both Count Dooku and Palpatine on the invisible hand? What If Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan and Darth Maul all died during their duel? What If Shmi was freed instead of Anakin? What If Anakin and Padme never went to Geonosis?

[@jokerman9295]

Anakin’s not about to kill both palpatine and dooku on the invisible hand 😂

[@mickmufson1824]

@@jokerman9295 It is just a what if.

[@ALEXANDERATTACK]

​@jokerman9295 it's literally a what if so you can make it happen 😅

[@jokerman9295]

Then it’s a dumb what if.

[@thespidercrafter8547]

@@jokerman9295 Unless somehow Anakin find's out Palpatine is Darth Sidious and is behind everything.

[@cameronfischer545]

Awesome video! I'm glad Palpatine didn't turn to the dark side since most other youtubers take that route. Keep up the great work, this was one of your best videos

[@danieljessen8009]

2:52 ginger Dune being Palps haha nice

[@LegatusLucius2]

Palpatine could have been the natural Chosen One but upon turning evil and helping Hugo manipulate the force ended up with the force creating an artificial chosen one Anakin to combat the imbalance

[@arieshellstormm9487]

Now that is an interesting idea

[@Jrrslingshot2]

So you’re also saying that palpatine must be the Sith Arie (however you spell it)

[@LegatusLucius2]

@@Jrrslingshot2 I'm saying he might have been the natural Jedi Chosen One if he was found by the Jedi

[@LegatusLucius2]

@@Jrrslingshot2 Anakin Skywalker's power Supernatural reaction to the unnatural spell trying to force the existence of life

[@ziephel-6780]

Makes a lot of sense.

[@neger7717]

Omfg Professor Snape actually looks like he’d make the perfect father for Dooku. They’re so alike somehow wtf

[@Mariochicken0609]

"Have you ever heard the tragedy of darth tenebrous the wise"

[@resetplayz53]

I was expecting this to be the goofiest video ever (since it's april fools day) but this "What If" is reallyyy good

[@rozze33]

was a good story. was nice to see palpatine in a new light

[@Florb-yd2ox]

0:09 smooth palpatine scares me

[@leadingauctions8440]

When Palpatine did not turn to the dark side, it was an excellent unexpected twist.

[@kiryu7853]

Darth Plageus: Have you ever herd of tragedy of cancleror Valorum ? Palpatine: yes Darth Plageus: I thught so, holonet for two monts talks only abaut this.

[@Christian-zf5bc]

How interesting would it be if you continue the story with Anakin then training Skywalker in the light. How powerful could Palpatine become in the future as a Jedi Master, maybe even Grandmaster?

[@RFDN0]

Day 5: What if Anakin knew Palpatine was a sith in Attack of the Clones?

[@KyleJarixManalang]

*stars wars end credits start playing*

[@avatarenthusiast2289]

What if Jango Fett survived the Battle of Geonosis? What if Darth Maul was redeemed on Naboo? What if Lando never betrayed Han on Cloud City? What if Luke died on the second Death Star? What if Rex killed Ahsoka? What if Ahsoka killed Rex? What if Boba Fett joined the Rebellion? What if Kanan survived? What if Obi-Wan died on Utapau (either against Grievous or Order 66)? What if Han Solo never met Chewbacca? What if Darth Maul killed Kanan?

[@Politebanana1]

Wow

[@mddojo]

Day 5: What if Jaesa Willsaam (light side) was in the Clone Wars? The idea is that shortly after Jaesa is recruited by the Sith Warrior, Darth Baras realizes the potential threat. He manages to capture her and freeze her in carbonite. After Darth Baras dies, Jaesa is never found and is eventually forgotten for the next 3000 years. Then, during the Battle of Christophsis, a tunnel to an ancient under city is discovered. Obi-Wan leads a squad of clones into the under city in order to gain a tactical advantage over the separatists. While here, the force leads him to a long forgotten prison. He finds Jaesa here and frees her. Shortly thereafter Jaesa rejoins the Jedi and becomes Obi-Wan's apprentice.

[@ballisticautistic5398]

What if Savage Opress and ventress fell in love?

[@soularprimestudios5930]

Interesting

[@Iao74185]

They would have one ugly baby

[@Chelnaka]

I'm hurling...

[@michaelcuellar403]

Assaj Opress has been born

[@matthewmann8969]

What if Maul, Savage, And Feral due to being part of Talzins actual bloodline were made the exceptions in that matriarical society to be the next up and comer bosses of Dathomir Maul especially being noted to have a high threshold in the force and magic then Tal herself yeah?

[@sib315]

I can only understand the first 3 lines of this comment

[@chasetauscher9544]

@@sib315The three brothers would become the next Clan Leaders which the Nightsisters would never accept

[@Fyzionix]

Never ever show me again a slick young palpatine

[@marcusisgod2592]

What if anakin was piloting before attack of the clones and sensed ventress fall to the darkside as her master died and took his ship to the planet to investigate. Perhaps starting a romance as they are very similar in their stories. Also what if ahsoka taught ben skywalker as she saw him as history repeating itself. What if anakin was a jedi watchmen or wayfinder. What if anakin went with kenobi to face maul and savage instead of adi gallia. What if anakin fell in love with luminara or your own version of aayla secura romance. What if oppo rancis trained anakin. What if anakin met and fell in love with ventress just before the clone wars just after her masters death. What if anakin became a jedi sentinel like a watchmen or one of those who find younglings. What if evan piel became a mentor or second master to anakin. Or anakin became a healer either before or after his mother death could be related to his friendship with offee or alternatively what if he was trained by tra sa who taught windu and actually did not forbid attachment as shown by her relationship with tholme , they could become like a pseudo parents to anakin and train him away from the temple in azati martial arts and from trasa the living force as she is a plant lady so imagine anakin controlling plant life.

[@macmaasi79]

Funny that in the OG timeline Palpy was the master and Dooku the apprentice. Dooku is 18 years older than Sheev.

[@Yetigaming420]

Therapist: Smooth palpatine isn’t real he can’t hurt you Smooth palpatine:💀😏 hello there

[@Fatherofheroesandheroines]

This is a surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.

[@Urizen61]

Nice work. But, Vapaad was a light saber form invented by Mace Windu. Dooku would have no knowledge of it.

[@williamblazkowicz5587]

Dooku worked with Windy, prob just had windy teach palpy

[@johnpittsii7524]

What if Anakin looked after Bobba Fett after genosis

[@Daseril]

23:33 "It's like poetry, they rhyme"

[@michaelrobertson4562]

Great work buddy!

[@ridbensdale]

I’d love to see a sequel to this. Well done sir!!

[@deinonychus1948]

2:14 That's what Qui-Gon should have said to the council regarding Anakin "Would you rather a Light-Side trained yet slightly unstable Jedi or an uncontrollable Dark-Side killing machine? Especially given the reemergence of the Sith"

[@dprescott1970]

That was great. You have to follow it up with Jedi Master Palpatine's training of Anakin 😊

[@Polar_Blue]

ngl i love this one and kinda wanna see a part 2 to this idk how that would be done but overall i loved this one

[@ninjago0o9]

thank you for changing the title of the video. now this title definitely could have happened

[@Intrepid_A]

What if Anakin was born on Alderaan into the ancient Alderaanian noble family of House Panteer?

[@GreenBlueWalkthrough]

Another genus what if and story! I loved Plapys saber colors though a line explaining why he had gold normally the Jedi temple gaurd color... Which I do believe fits perfectly as he loves demcrocy.

[@pacboy7673]

I coulda sworn that yellow was for sentinels

[@Savagery21]

Dooku was already a master before training Qui Gon Jinn.

[@jgamer516]

bro u should make the walking dead what ifs that would be so fun and epic!

[@Evenity-Official]

I like this one TSWG Nice work!!!

[@mathewkaiser7667]

1:04 hey im not entirely sure whats going on here but i think snape is in the wrong magic movie

[@ripgasbaron9716]

11:52 >"But now, as 35 years old, Palpatine..." >Shows this picture of Palpatine My man did just do a while generation dirty 😭💀

[@alexanderyakubik2289]

Vapaad was actually created by Mace Windu's master and only perfected after Mace helped him. However, Vapaad was not a well known or public practice, even after Mace perfected it. So no, Duku would have been able to teach him the variant

[@marcusisgod2592]

What if darth vader went to darthomir to learn. New suit or perhaps more unique powers. Resurrect talzin maybe. what if Vokara Che became a mentor to anakin as anakin was being treated for bullying and trauma from being a slave. What if anakin fell in love with luminara unduli, serra keto or bultar swan. What if anakin was taught by agen kolar or sasee tin or adi gallia.

[@u.v.s.5583]

- But what about Droid attack on the Wookies? - Take a seat, young Mundi. There are no Droids and there is no attack on the Wookies.

[@Rick79LUFC]

I really enjoy listening to GOOD Palpatine story's lol light exists in all of us even the darkest of us everyone has a dark reflection.

[@jameslightfoot1872]

I think Palpatine as a Jedi is a cool idea, but what if he became Darth Sideous anyway. Running his machinations as the dark lord of the Sith from right in the heart of the Jedi order.

[@howtogoogle8031]

but not kllling the jedi clone wars ca still happen and the jedi order can still get blamed but the difference ist hat no order 66 break their moral spirit worse than death

[@jameslightfoot1872]

@howtogoogle8031 what if he revealed to the Jedi that the clones were created to destroy them and proposed that the Jedi should kill the clones instead. Could he corrupt the whole order with such an act of betrayal? Getting the Jedi to launch a preemptive act of total genocide on their own troops would be such a gut punch.

[@VestedUTuber]

@@howtogoogle8031 Has Anyone Really Been Far Even as Decided to Use Even Go Want to do Look More Like? ...Sorry, your comment is a bit hard to read without any punctuation or sentence structure.

[@ziephel-6780]

Maybe due to Dooku being his master, Sheev would have a similar vision for the Republic like Darth Tyrannus's, not just simply ruling for power's sake.

[@falsehope4421]

I can't lie, this is actually a pretty interesting sounding story, I like the idea of palpetine being a genuine good guy for some reason

[@bustedsaint9442]

Really love these types of videos!

[@Irongiantman007]

Oh yeah doodoo is older than palpy

[@paigeonr6383]

around 20 years. Dooku was born 109 BBY and Palpatine was born 82 BBY.

[@wendywebbtraumawarrior2204]

Although I felt a couple of meh spots, I know I don’t have the talent to imagine/write ‘what if’ Star Wars stories. I enjoyed it over all and understand why you needed the ‘meh’ spots to finish the story.

[@dj_echo]

Alan Rickman as Palp's dad is such a cool touch

[@alphonml6220]

"I love democracy. I love The Republic." ~Palpatine in both universes

[@majesticmsfc]

Great story it was very believable too. Nice to see Palpy have a bit of a redemption story.

[@DrownedInExile]

That was awesome. Political intrigue and the force. And the Jedi Order not being morons.

[@AngelsandWolves1]

I would LOVE to see a continuation of this!

[@CiaraNITuathail-ty8zn]

The light side of the force is a pathway to many albities some consider natural

[@colethelin9203]

What an excellent Video Based on What if the Jedi found Palpatine before Plagueis. Can you please create a part2 to What if the Jedi found Palpatine before Plagueis? Thanks

[@itsabug4274]

Question... How would Dooku know how to teach Vapaad? It's very strictly Mace Windu's form, and the few times he tried to teach it to an apprentice they fell to the Dark Side rather quickly. Why/how would/could Dooku convince Mace to teach to to a padawan that would be at a MUCH HIGHER risk of succumbing to it and falling? Not only that, but why would Dooku think that would be a good idea anyway? Vapaad requires one to have an iron will, being a conduit that channels the chaos and anger around them and redirecting it rather than using it to power themselves. If he were to try and learn Vapaad, it'd likely make him even more tempted to give into his darker emotions. I feel like Soresu or Makashi would've been a better option, as both demand patience and calm, something Palpatine would very clearly need at that stage.

[@ebonaparte3853]

Maybe Palpatine created Vaapad in this timeline. It would be perfect for him.

[@ibraheemahmad7404]

Dude a story on young Palpatine starring Timothy Chalamet would be crazy.

[@Stantex-vp3mo]

I love how this acutely went full circle and Palpatine instead takes Anakin in like before, but he instead ops to help him, instead of turning him.

I love the idea of Palpatine being the chosen one xD

[@mwg500]

I think Plagueis could've ended up with Talzin as his apprentice which would somehow still lead to Palpatine finding Maul (and training Maul in the light), or Dooku still turns Sith and Jedi Palpatine has to deal with that.

[@Evoker23-lx8mb]

It’s kinda weird to think about Dooku actually being older than Palpatine, decades older even at that rather than Palpatine being older than Dooku even though Dooku was Palpatine’s apprentice in canon. Are there any other cases either in legends or in canon of apprentices being older than their masters? Loved this fanfic idea by the way, especially Palpatine and Dooku’s reversed roles.

[@willwingardner6038]

Love this video, could lead into an epic part 2 what if Palpatine trained Anakin as a Jedi

[@sheevhernandez3869]

9:55 okay so hear me out on this verison if papa Palpatine 😩🙏

[@Abcdefg25152]

0:35 why is there jimmy mcgill 😭

[@askjeevescosby2928]

This video was a surprise but a welcome one.

[@bizmasterTheSlav]

Plagueis would not be so stupid to trust Palpatine so much. I dislike the route you took here. Plagueis is way smarter than this, he would give Palps a chance to join him, but he would never reveal his full plans so simply.

[@Rick79LUFC]

Plag was all ways over confident and criminaly under estimated Palps so I could very easily see this playing out ...great story 😊

[@yamatohime2035]

What if... Jedi were really wise!

[@TheMercilessJude]

Fire. 🔥 If you were in charge of Disney Star Wars, it wouldn't be deceased.

[@Soloong_Gaybowzer]

Because Palpatine didn't help Plagueis with sith alchemy research, Anakin would never have been born.

[@samuelcaloracan]

Which means no Luke, Leia, and Kylo Ren

[@pacboy7673]

good point

[@seancdaug]

Plagueis is still there, doing his own research. It's still possible for him to trigger the reaction that led to Anakin's birth on his own.

[@samuelcaloracan]

@@seancdaug The ritual requires two Sith Lords, not just one

[@TheSmolPrince]

​@@samuelcaloracan That's quite literally never said. It's not even Canon that Plagueis is what caused Anakin's birth. The Force was pushing back against the Darkness, with or without the Ritual Plagueis tried to do.

[@BoyFromBelgium99]

*Yer a wizard, Sheev!*

[@Makai_Reacts]

Damn man this was a masterpiece.

[@JM-lp1jf]

What if somebody placed a bomb under the seat of palpatine during the opera show killing both palpatine and anakin simultaneously.

[@PhilDrury]

Have we ever been given a phonetic for Sheev? It sounds so ridiculous that I wonder if it isn't supposed to be She-Ev.

[@Python085]

Palpatine as a GOOD GUY? Neat!

[@scoreyj13]

Of course there is that one little thing of old Palpy being a psychopath. Kind of hard to be a Jedi with that issue.

[@seancdaug]

Eh. It would be easy to think of Dooku or Vader as psychopathic if we didn't have reams of backstory telling us how they fell to the dark side. There's no inherent reason Palpatine couldn't have turned out better if he'd had a better upbringing.

[@scoreyj13]

@@seancdaug Being a psychopath is a genetic condition. It is not something that a different upbringing changes. Even his dad thought he was messed up when he was young. There is no reason to believe he was treated badly as a child as his siblings were not the same way (as far as we can tell). This is just who Sheev was.

[@troyv8302]

I really enjoyed this one and I went into it thinking it might be same ending, different path type of thing. Thanks!

[@marcusisgod2592]

What if anakin was found by jedi belonging to another sect like corelia or those nomadic jedi who allow attachment. What if anakin went to dathomir in revenge of the sith to search for ways to save padme. What if yoda decided to swap the masters of ferus olin and anakin. So anakin with siri. Obi with ferus What if ahsoka and anakin crash landed on bendu's planet. Also what if darth vader joined thrawn in meeting the bendu and went on a spiritual journey back to the dust ball tatiotene.

[@arieshellstormm9487]

I like the idea of seeking guidance from Mother Talzin to save Padme, that is a storyline that would allow a new dark twist on it having Anakin indebted to Dathomir.

[@davidbarry282]

An unexpected surprise, but a welcome one