What if The Survivors Were Charged For Their Crimes?

[@thelittleghost3784]

I once saw someone theorize that the skeleton in Wilson’s floorboards is whoever WX was before turning into a robot. Doesnt help anyone with their crimes but I find the idea amusing

[@PolymerUa]

Probably not, the lab looks different from wx short

[@larsthememelord3383]

@@PolymerUawagstaff carried his emotional support skeleton with him to his science hut

[@tomsyalad9556]

​​@@PolymerUa We do know that the house *was* Wagstaff's, so it's likely, if strange

[@WinterWondering]

@@tomsyalad9556 Late but an argument could technically be made that it was WX's. They worked with him so they'd likely have their hands on his creations/supplies. But it also depends on the timeline there, because, depending on how early the WX experiments happen (In other words, if they happened before 1919), they might not have been able to have a Voxola radio. Not saying that this has to be the case, but it is worth thinking about.

[@rocksmashronin3822]

Maybe it's WILTON!! The unused character from Klei themselves!

[@generaminutemenow676]

„She is pretty much a depressed child, making Wendy an law abiding citizen”

[@aptokro3005]

Windy

[@Yegor_Mechanic]

​​@@aptokro3005 Yeah, the name was misread in the video as "Windy"

[@Speed001]

7:33 7:40

[@Yegor_Mechanic]

Fun fact, Windy has more than eleven million subscribers on KZbin

[@netherwarrior6113]

General, what are you doing here? Preston told me to find you and report another settlement needs your help.

[@1God1Fury]

Maxwell killcount is actually much higher if we take in account a lot of skeletons lay around in Don't starve. When Maxwell examine skeleton he will say: "Hah, I remember this one!"

[@starboundsingularity]

true but since the skeletons are in the constant they don't apply as the constant doesn't have a legal system

[@WormwoodDontStarve]

⁠@@starboundsingularitybut wouldn’t you say those skeletons from the constants ‘were’ people Maxwell had taken from the real world?

[@starboundsingularity]

@@WormwoodDontStarve ohh perhaps!! i hadn't really considered that, thank you

[@ztriker4406]

@@WormwoodDontStarve in one of america's national park there is an area not owned by the US so getting murdered there nothing can be done about it no arresting of murderer since its foreign soil

[@WormwoodDontStarve]

@@ztriker4406 even if they were killed in the Constant, they were taken there against their will. That’s kidnapping

[@Barquevious_Jackson]

Your honor, Wilson didn't tamper with evidence because that skeleton was not involved in a case, even if it was it is so decayed it'd be past the statute of limitations to convict. Furthermore, he didn't tamper with human remains, he owns those bones, they're were on his property and used in an academic context. They couldn't have be mishandled. Wilson is clearly innocent.

[@ferretappreciator]

In california the statute of limitations doesnt start when an offence occured but when an offence is discovered. So wilson discovering that corpse started the timer for the statute of limitations. He just has to keep quiet for like 20 years and he'll be fine

[@Darwidx]

​@@ferretappreciatorAh, so sudently crimes or ok if no one will catch you ? Also, isn't murderer de facto a person that discover the corpse ? If Wilson would be cautch and skeleton would be diagnosed to be 20 years old corpse killed by someone he should be de facto cleared from guilt, at least how it should be going, a law to change. And what if body was there as a poorly made coffin for a self killer, if he would be on the same line wirh the line in this situation ?

[@alepalexalt]

the bones held up by themselves, making it a decoration. real skeletons collapse

[@Maplefrog7]

@@Darwidx if the corpse where bones (no other flesh/ ligament's ) at the time he found them it unlikely Wilson would be convicted even if it a crime no one would think to test if skeleton modal is anything more than that

[@Flora_Dawn]

Maybe the og owner had it from a donor? Like someone donated there body for science To study the internal and skeleton.

[@TealFirefox4387]

I think Walter should be removed from Maxwell's list of kidnap victims. Not only was Maxwell dethroned by this point and thus lost his ability to interact with the normal world. But Walter himself is the one to stumble apon the Voxsola Radio and turn it on. Therfore Walter wasn't kidnapped he simply fell into the Constant.

[@commanderdemonno9819]

in fact, since wolfgang saved maxwell, he's not only a law abiding citizen, but a good role model as well

[@mysteryguitarhaziq]

Your honour, request to call the jury "chat"

[@elivcdxv1852]

chat is this real

[@endaeye]

@@elivcdxv1852I think it is

[@Thankedsphere99]

Commer Section

[@thewaterleaf7929]

I love how to charge these characters for their crimes you, among other equally ridiculous things, have to charge a petty stage magician for a successful terrorist attack

[@Gatorboy5678]

Fun Fact! Warbucks actually got put on trial and his sentencing was being removed from Hamlet.

[@alexniccah]

I am 90% sure Willow is responsible for the fire during Winona's backstory too, considering the "One More to go" note willow gets, it's not a long shot.

[@thepsychopath5442]

Can't wait for DST lore experts and lawyers to rip into you in the comments :3

[@hamstermalandro]

Indeed they arrived

[@The_unfettered_prisoner]

:3

[@Endev_Prime]

Rude.

[@RookTVchannel]

It’s pretty much certain that Willow didn’t start the fire at the orphanage intentionally. Back when the short was published, she lit fires when nervous. She only gained conscious control over her pyromancy much later in life

[@ShatteredHue]

Correction for the animals from wx's short: those would be attributed to WX themself rather than Wagstaff. While it is possible that Wagstaff may have done things with them in the past or future, what we do see is WX's actions before they became a robot. Technically though they wouldn't be charged for it on account of being a robot and probably legally dead

[@Jorvalt]

I would say considering WX is Wagstaff's creation, he would be held accountable since he programmed WX, so that should be his responsibility.

[@ShatteredHue]

@@Jorvalt wx created themself did you even watch their short??

[@theworstspeedrunner]

@@Jorvalt Wx isnt programmed, there be a human mind in that dude

[@dzeppetto3143]

Not sure about law in america, but it is important to notice that Willow in first arson is a child, pretty young too meaning (at least where I live) that entire thing would be caretaker's fault and Willow would get 0$ fine and 0 sentence (only a note to her papers and prosecutor keeping eye on her)

[@notaprinny]

Unless she got tried as an adult, but that requires her to have been found out as a kid, which we know she wasn't. Her last appearance is in her early 20s, and I think she was 14 when she did that, so the statute of limitations ran out. She wouldn't be charged at all for it.

[@Toadkillah]

Your honour, I would claim that my client Walani is innocent of all charges on account of just being a silly little gal. My girl just wanna chill out and surf with her dolphin buddies. Also, let Warly go home to his sick mom Charlie, you monster!

[@1God1Fury]

Walani could have been just fascinated by subject of pirates, but not actually being one

[@Bernardokskskskksks]

Technically, maxwell was forced to kidnap those survivors so he shouldn't be charged, but i don't think the judges would believe that shadow forces were controlling him, so he would go to a Hospice just like willow

[@charlottebarham7722]

A hospice is a hospital for people at their end-of-life stage, e.g. those with advanced cancer or those who are extremely elderly. Instead of having staff mainly focused on treating and diagnosing disease, with making the rapidly dying more comfortable a last resort, hospices are staffed by carers and nurses that can help them stay comfortable, preserve their dignity and bodily autonomy for as long as possible, help patients make peace with their situations and provide grief counselling and a safe place for the family, before, during, and even after the death. You're thinking of a forensic psychiatric institution, or as Polarlotus puts it, a mental institution. (These are actually different things, a psychiatric institution and a forensic psychiatric institution are for similar purposes, but a forensic one is for those at risk of offending or who have committed an offence.) Not trying to be all "erm akshually ☝🤓" but just to inform you for the future

[@Thankedsphere99]

Charged with what?

[@charlottebarham7722]

@@Thankedsphere99 Kidnapping.

[@Thatdankkoala]

Wilbur most likely wasn't born in the Constant. This is hinted at through Maxwell's inspection quote of Wilbur without his crown, "Well I suppose there's no sending you back now".

[@NickFury-i4b]

Could be that he was once king but is not anymore because he does not have his crown anymore. Even then he is an animal so he cannot be charged for his crimes.

[@dashalinda5724]

Maxwell's mental state is also questionable, imo. Moreover, it is not entirely clear whether it was Maxwell, his shadow, or some shadow creature in Maxwell's guise who was abducting people. Anyway, Great video! 🙂

[@yaron2755]

Also is it not men slotter cos he didn't want to harm ene one

[@Wizardsaresquishy]

I would rule Maxwell as “not guilty by reason of possession, demonic or otherwise.”

[@janitordel6296]

​@@yaron2755 ??? Manslaughter is literally that. Causing someone to die on accident, like a car crash

[@janitordel6296]

​@@yaron2755manslaughter is literally causing a fatality on accident. Like a car crash or something (I think yt auto-deleted my previous comment)

[@raulfake]

Maxwell also has a charge for vandalism, because he changed wigfrids news paper which is her property, by using magic

[@thekilleremerald]

For WX I would say that instead of being charged for crimes he would probably be captured and studied by the government or be completely disassembled if judged as too dangerous to be allowed to continue functioning.

[@tylerking9507]

Very cool thumbnail

[@Pock4855]

cute

[@Dino-bk5sk]

Yes

[@Bob2-hq7wf]

Agreed 😊

[@jacobbolado1853]

I know right??

[@Merenq]

Thx

[@h.1699]

4:22 that has to be blatantly wrong, from what i know even in the US you aren't allowed to punish however harsh you deem fit for whatever you deem wrong. but thanks to the option of homeschooling the most abusive parents will not as easily be found out and any crime done at home unlikely to be punished. 4:34 this could be considered significantly more than gross negligence or abuse, it could be considered a form of torture, they took away the teddy obviously used for emotional comfort, they left her without so much of a blanket in just her nightgown and it's a storage room (thus unheated) without light and with flammable dangerous chemicals (thus the room should be kept cool), as such it is common sense the child will not sit still and thus the "caretakers" willfully accepted the likelyhood of an accident causing severe bodily harm to the child. And as there is no lightsource and it should be quite cold in the room a crafty child will try to make light and warmth. As such her arsonery would fully fall onto the caretakers, be considered self defense or be considered an accident, not showing remorse for killing the caretakers can be easily ignored as it's rather obvious she didn't even know they were dead yet as such the mslicious intent would be difficult, if not impossible, to prove, depending massively on her age and psychological evaluation. furthermore there is no indication of the orphanage being a governmental facility (and if the state would try to settle out of a court to not shed light onto the abuse happening in their facility), quite the contrary as the caretakers clearly are abusive, the orphanage seemingly rather small with basically no staff and no other children at the time, whereas the library seems more likely to not be a private institution.

[@aidansharp5244]

I was so pissed off about his sentencing of Willow, because I knew he was wrong, glad to see that somebody who’s fluent in law could back up that fact.

[@raulfake]

18:10 wagstaff crime would be consensual homicide since that dead body was wagstaff assistant (wx 78) and he worked with him after he did it so probably it was consensual

[@raulfake]

At least that what i think happened

[@MoronInSuit]

I just thought exact same thing.

[@maxwell-auel]

It would likely fall under Assisted Su*c*de, even if the assistant wasn't depressed or su*c*dial. Since that's the closest you're going to get to consensual homicide

[@Wizardsaresquishy]

Maxwell would very likely bring in an entirely new category: Not guilty by reason of demonic possession. The question now is: how do you charge these shadow demons, and how do you catch them or keep them in jail? Also, Wagstaff: what do you charge someone with if they break the laws of physics?! Now I’m imagining the judge asking Maxwell what his defense is, and his response is the shadow demon possessing him releasing Maxwell, knowing its flesh puppet is about to be rendered useless. Then everyone has to figure out what the hell you’re supposed to do when there’s a shadow demon flying around the room. Even funnier if it tries to possess the judge.

[@fractalgem]

Possessed? Wait since when was maxwell possessed this whole time? Afaik He was bound to the throne, not possessed. I know charlie was possessed, but aside from her involvement in the initial incident her actions were of the not applicable variety. If you mean the conversation between the two AFTER charlie retakes the throne, where he DOES finally get maybe possessed, that is in the not applicable category as well

[@someguy1894]

Now, this might not be an answer, but the UN has a code against modifying weather (yet to be done) so im assuming a new law would be made for Wagstaff breaking the natural laws of physics.

[@darklanternstudios7691]

@@someguy1894 I doubt that there would be any notable consequence actually. If the particular law of physics can be broken, and not turn the planet into pea soup or something to that effect, than it's likely that further study would take place and it would be tested over and over again. After all part of science is taking something we thought we knew about science and throwing it through the wringer over and over with slight changes to the process to see if something else happens.

[@Barquevious_Jackson]

Walani could have been apart of the navy, legally storing the gun powder of our god fearing troops.

[@ShortforJc]

damn, wilson mains are not innocent. edit: Wormwood my boy! you are innocent

[@yorukage5926]

I love how he didn't even bother talking about the librarian 😂

[@stevietvgaming6411]

10/10 vid loved helping with it hope you do more like it!

[@polarlotus]

Definitely planning on it! I have a few fun theory video ideas :D

[@supergabbe]

when are you going to make content that's actually good ​@@polarlotus

[@JustALittleGhostOfHallownest]

4:14 you presume she did it on purpose. In all likelihood, how would a child cause an explosion of the magnitude shown on purpose. She was less than 10 years old, and likely wouldn’t know how to purposely cause the extent of damage that she did.

[@bur_n_t]

plus, she was in a state of shock. she had been locked in a closet during a mental health episode by her caretakers, and somehow, a fire broke out. of course she didn't care about the others at that moment. she probably wasn't thinking about them at all.

[@WinterWondering]

TW: Suicide Lore nerd here! Hi! I'm using Ohio laws because I think this likely happened in/around Ohio. If we go by California laws instead, Robert wouldn't be as culpable. I personally would count the whole consciousness transferal experiment with WX as assisted suicide. Or, at least, for this, I'll be counting it as such. It's a weird gray area, but since their old body is dead and Robert did help them, I'm going to assume that this is how it would be classified. For context, let's look at Ohio's definition of assisted suicide. "(A) Except as provided in section 3795.03 of the Revised Code, no person shall knowingly cause another person to commit or attempt to commit suicide by doing either of the following: (1) Providing the physical means by which the other person commits or attempts to commit suicide; (2) Participating in a physical act by which the other person commits or attempts to commit suicide. (B) Whoever violates division (A) of this section is guilty of assisting suicide, a felony of the third degree." So, yes, I'd say that this counts. Let's look at the punishments now. "3)(a) For a felony of the third degree that is a violation of section... or 3795.04 of the Revised Code... the prison term shall be a definite term of twelve, eighteen, twenty-four, thirty, thirty-six, forty-two, forty-eight, fifty-four, or sixty months." I cut out most of the violations that count here since the only relevant one is 3795.04: assisted suicide. Essentially, Robert is looking at 12-60 extra months in the slammer. I would, however, consider this to replace his second hand murder charge, assuming the skeleton in his floorboards to be WX's. From what I can see, and please correct me if I'm wrong because Google isn't giving me any information on this, suicide/attempted suicide does not seem to be illegal in Ohio, so WX themself wouldn't be culpable for that. I decided to look into identity theft to see if any of it would count, but, if you have implied consent, which WX probably does to some extent even if we're counting them as a different person from who they were before, it's legal, so WX is in the clear. I'd count them as being responsible for tampering with evidence. Here's Ohio's laws on that. "(b) For a felony of the third degree that is not an offense for which division (A)(3)(a) of this section applies, the prison term shall be a definite term of nine, twelve, eighteen, twenty-four, thirty, or thirty-six months." So they've got 9-36 months in the slammer. They would also be charged with corpse abuse, just like Robert. "(A) No person, except as authorized by law, shall treat a human corpse in a way that the person knows would outrage reasonable family sensibilities. (B) No person, except as authorized by law, shall treat a human corpse in a way that would outrage reasonable community sensibilities. (C) Whoever violates division (A) of this section is guilty of abuse of a corpse, a misdemeanor of the second degree. Whoever violates division (B) of this section is guilty of gross abuse of a corpse, a felony of the fifth degree." Let's assume they violate both, since, y'know, I don't think most communities want you to hide a corpse in your colleague's floorboards, even if it is yours. A second degree misdemeanor gives them up to 90 days in prison. A felony of the fifth degree is 5-18 months in prison. WX is also guilty of 2 charges of animal cruelty using Ohio laws, just like Robert. This gives them an extra $1,500 fine and 180 days in jail. RESULTS FOR WX: -Tampering with evidence -Corpse abuse -Animal abuse -60 months in jail (5 years) -$1,500 fine This is all null and void, however, if WX is considered to be dead.

[@Merenq]

Yoo thank you for an in-depth explanation for WX :D

[@karlmarx592]

Technically, Maxwell is innocent on the WMD charge, he didn’t know that such damage would occur, so technically his charges should be dropped to a lot of involuntary manslaughter

[@Merenq]

Hehe, wish to see more lore-related stuff from you! Also loved helping with the vid :] P.S. My boy Wilson did nothing wrong he's innocent

[@cauansartor9856]

I study law and now you instigated me to see what crimes the characters committed according to Brazilian law. Lol.

[@thedragonofcanada6659]

I would argue that WIllow might be found innocent if she could prove she was being "forced" to do it by the shadows. If she could prove that Maxwell (or Them) was forcing her hand to do it, blackmailing her (not blackmailing but I can't remember the real word for forcing someone to commit a crime), she might be found innocent.

[@Voidi-Void]

It would probably become involuntary manslaughter at that point, not simply having her walk free.

[@charlottebarham7722]

"(not blackmailing but I can't remember the real word for forcing someone to commit a crime)" The word you're looking for is coercion. Blackmail is a form of coercion, it just mainly involves the victim's emotions instead of their sense of safety. Your second point *_may_* not hold up in DST court because a person can only be found not guilty if they were pressured, or coerced, into committing an offence _they would not otherwise have,_ but Willow _has_ had involvement in a prior arson (despite having been a child and feeling that her life/safety were in danger at the time, which could have compelled her to do it, or it could've been entirely accidental). Maxwell also may not have pressured her - in Wickerbottom's short, we can see her smiling at the "one more to go" note before she burns it. He may have just seen someone who would be willing to work with him because she enjoyed the sight of flames and/or the suffering/damage it caused.

[@Oznerock]

Willow at the Orphanage was self defense - The fire was necessary to scare away the shadow creatures that were about to kill or kidnap her. Ah you mentioned it. But the Terrorbeaks are physical beings, just fueled by nightmares and fear. Sanity is a misleading mechanic name - it's really how terrified and paranoid your character is.

[@angrytrapperyoqbuqtiysqaro]

all of these survivors just describe me as a whole

[@REDOYSTERCULT302]

Only the wormwood

[@cherry__Soda]

HUH??

[@BlahoMark15]

Next video should be about "Which character takes back the trolley after finishing up shopping."

[@bethbrown8249]

Willow with her teddy bear CHARGED AS AN ADULT!?! The real criminal here is the justice system 🤦🏼‍♀️

[@Alexander_Snow]

Well she is confirmed to be in her early 20’s.

[@Dracomasterthefirst]

@@Alexander_Snow but when she burned the orphanage she was a child

[@starboundsingularity]

your honor my client is literally neurodivergent and a minor

[@DespOIcito]

@@Alexander_Snow yeah, in the current day of the game taking place. not when she was still in an orphanage lmao

[@Insert6character4name.]

One little nitpick I have is that you decided to count Maxwell's crimes after he entered the constant, and you mentioned the prior rule, but you didn't actually elaborate on why you're making the exception. If it's because they're all canon and not player controlled, you should then logically count the actions of the characters during cinematics and trailers that take place in the constant. (yes I'm a pedant and a Maxwell main. How could you tell?)

[@FishFan6038]

Probably because it had effects outside the constant

[@Wizardsaresquishy]

“Not guilty by reason of demonic possession!”

[@jewelion5347]

While he himself was in the constant, the crimes themselves were committed in the mortal realm, American/wherever’s soil, not the constant’s soil

[@polarlotus]

as others have said it was because maxwells crimes had an effect outside of the constant, every other characters constant-based crimes had no external effect

[@Thankedsphere99]

6:55 he threw that train without checking for survivors, so he potentially caused casualties.

[@Gelly-ton]

It was on fire and it was most likely a circus prop

[@paigebax2690]

Is this video taking into account that most of the survivors where taken in 1920, that is over a centaury ago, there would have been some changes to laws, so it would only be fair to judge them based on the laws of the 1920

[@Merenq]

@@paigebax2690 we did consider following the laws that would be present during the 1920-s (or even earlier), but it was difficult to find a proper source. Though fun fact: Wagstaff and/or WX wouldn't be charged with animal trafficking/abuse due to the law not existing at the time

[@DrakonPhD]

@@Merenq Also, I doubt Maxwell would be guilty of a WMD charge before WMD's were even a concept.

[@Keracen]

i love the thumbnail 😭

[@davidgallardo2213]

I just realized, when WX's mind was transferred to the robot, what happened to the human body? Is the skeleton in Wilson's floorboards (which used to be Wagstaff's) the human body of WX?

[@SpyPaul456]

my favorite DST char: Windy

[@thexp905]

There is one other thing with Maxwell you missed. He used the train accident to fake his death. Whilst that of itself isn't illegal, there are plenty of side effects of doing so that would cause you to get into a hell of a lot of trouble.

[@ThatChannelWithANameThatsTooLo]

Something you failed to mention is that Maxwell took Wes and Walter into the constant on accident

[@polarlotus]

Accidental kidnapping is still kidnapping

[@Darwidx]

​@@polarlotusShould't be imo.

[@notaprinny]

@@Darwidx It wouldn't have been if he let them go after. He did not, so it's still kidnapping.

[@Darwidx]

@@notaprinny Well, yes, but I don't think Maxwell is still in power there.

[@notaprinny]

@@Darwidx he could have let them out immediately while he was in power. Someone kidnapping you and then going into a coma doesn’t absolve them of the crime of kidnapping you just because they can’t let you go anymore. In this case, he kidnapped a bunch of people and then got kidnapped himself along with all of the people he kidnapped. He still did the original kidnappings.

[@2fortcow]

don’t starve my beloved

[@Asozka]

To be fair, all the Ghosts, skeletons and Pipspooks in the constant are Maxwell killing people too. And the Pipspooks are babies not even kids they are freaking babies. Maxwell says he remembers their deaths and they might still hold a grudge if he revives them so hes litterally admiting to murder.

[@trashlord3214]

Agree w the folks who say the lab animal charges should be against WX rather than Wagstaff, but could Wagstaff be charged for trafficing an exotic animal(the spider in Webber's short)?

[@ConstantBit9]

I like how Wilson has the "I know you two are behind me, but I died too many times to care at this point..." face lol (He canonically died a lot)

[@dalerossouw]

i havent started the video yet but willow is gonna get life in jail

[@PolymerUa]

Not really 59 years

[@ДмитроДорофеєв]

Walter is clearly cooking blue moonglass on the side

[@maxwell-auel]

I think she can plead insanity and get a one-time ticket to a lobotomy (they had lobotomies during the era this takes place in, right?)

[@gassingmonkey76]

7:47 Woody has some pre-constant backstory as the cabin Walter goes too is implied to be Woody's (Werebeaver on the map with cabin saying "he may know something" as well as an axe visually similar to lucy being outside)

[@Mjgaming54321]

I would actually argue that Woodlegs is N/A, not Guilty. There is reason to believe he is a constant native because of his quotes for things like the Quacken, and because he’s found in a cage with three locks - one key being in the Yaarctopus’ posession, one in watery graves, and one in the Quacken’s possession - which is unlike anyone else in the constant (Wes was in Adventure Mode, Woodlegs was just in some random volcano).

[@pineappleudh6561]

Techically some of the survivors did enter the constant of their own volition, and its likely maxwell didnt actually have the power to send them back out of the constant. Though im imagining that still counts as kidnapping. (Worth noting though that walter arrived after maxwell was dethroned, he just triggered a trap that hadnt been removed. Not sure what thatd count as but its probqbly not kidnapping?) I also have to wonder if wagstaff would get into any trouble for not reporting the many kidnapped/trapped survivors locations to the authorities when he found them.

[@Rabotaga_Sana]

imagine:you survived an tons of days to finally escape hungry world to get arrested by some cop

[@lir489]

Cool vid dude

[@FIreWolf3004]

85k in a month one of your best vids :)

[@datwitchyswordfan]

“As the judge of this courtroom, I have come to the conclusion that I am not qualified to charge these people in a normal court of law, so as the ruling judge, I appeal this case to…. The United Nations Global Occult Coalition.”

[@WalkThrough_101]

You could also argue the dire nature of their situation and the fact that they can rather easily be brought back from the dead would be mitigating factors for a lot of crimes they commit against each other and in the Constant, and that them being stuck in the Constant was in of itself a much worse form of imprisonment than the justice system could deal out to them. It probably wouldn't cover crimes committed beforehand, especially people like Maxwell (although in his case he was literally imprisoned in a chair and tortured with the same music for who knows how long, which is almost worse than some of the other survivors' experiences, and him dragging other people in could be seen as being out of desperation, plus it ends up increasing the quality of life for the survivors with more people to keep a stable, self-sustaining base) but even the worst of them are just grateful for being on solid ground and not being in mortal danger every 5 seconds if they're in a real courtroom.

[@andrewnapolitano8565]

Maxwell the Great didn't mean to cause the earthquake, he just lost control of the Codex Umbra. You can clearly see his shocked expression as it happens. He also most likely was extremely lonely on the Shadow Throne, and most likely was driven to insanity, so he most likely kidnapped them in the hopes that one of them could rescue him, & he knew that appearing to be the bad guy would get them to keep going. Laws also don't apply to Maxwell's kidnappings, as he was in The Constant at the time. The Codex Umbra itself was what caused the earthquake, not Maxwell.

[@PercyRiverwood]

You better tell me you cleared your search history after researching crimes for this video 💀

[@annoyingcapricorn987]

negligence is a form of abuse

[@ppals3345]

5:50 actually, it is implied that she burned down the Voxola factory.

[@piern1k336]

19:45 also while "helping" people, he was stealing their belongings, it's clearly seen if you look well enough

[@demihau]

i suggest wagstaff is charged double of other guilty surviver’s charges altogether and they go free instead

[@matthaygood654]

Fun fact: It takes 7 years for a corpse to become a skeleton. Whatever Wilson did is not as bad as 7+ years of decomposition.

[@conquestgameclips]

Wolfgang the absolute Chad getting 0 illegal charges and a debatable -1 for saving a person’s life.

[@Babbleplay]

We have no solid info on Woody's life before the constant, but I'd honestly posit that there might be involuntary manslaughter, or injury at least. That cabin was in the middle of nowhere, and while Werebeavers have zero lore, it's a common trope for the feral type werewolf that can't always control their actions when transformed to isolate themselves and live far away from anyone they could harem, usually after some horrible, tragic incident when they first started the change. Lumberjacks typically live in big cabins full of coworkses. Their job is not one safe to do alone.

[@ravenchild7517]

Eh, depends. It's definitely safe to do alone here in Sweden at least, Woody is Canadian, which is a cold country, so just like in Sweden it's probably quite safe? Just gotta watch out for bears and wear warm clothes and he'd be fine.

[@Babbleplay]

@@ravenchild7517 Bears and such aside, trees fall; branches break and drop. He is swinging a heavy, sharpened chunk of metal on a stick. Some jobs should never be done alone, and lumberjack work is one of them.

[@Midrealm_DM]

4:35 - Depends on if it was ruled a deliberate act or an accidental use of her abilities.

[@hoothoot7122]

That thumbnail is incredible

[@Ne_Ne_Vova_UA]

I don't think people that are put in another world and escaped it barely surviving would be charged for their crimes

[@Golden_Pig64]

all of the crimes happened before they even went into the contant. they would definitely be charged, but likely wouldn't be convicted, as being put through the Constant is more than enough of a sentence.

[@mistressofuniverses]

If we're assuming that Maxwell caused the 1908 San Fransisco Earthquake, then he actually is liable for 700-3000+ second degree murder charges based on the number of people approximated to have died to the earthquake (exact numbers were not able to be determined in the chaos). Add to that the $350 million in damages (equal to $8.9 billion in 2023) caused by the earthquake or fires following the incident, which doesn't even include the number of publicly owned buildings that were damaged as a result of his actions and it makes a lot of sense why Maxwell would rather risk the Constant.

[@Daniel-uo5lm]

Big missed opportunity at the end: You could've pointed out that not becoming a channel member is not a crime. Very entertaining video though, good job!

[@wolfytheradiodemon8732]

11:47 Can someone tell me what's the name of this melody? I'm searching for it for at least 7 months and can't seem to find it, if you know the name, and you'd tell me, I'd be really greatful

[@polarlotus]

It's No.8 requiem by Esther Abrami :D

[@Thankedsphere99]

0:34 Krampus.

[@lunathedragon5973]

Well that's if it is a real skeleton to begin with 2:46

[@JesseeParker]

In webber short we see his father also has an alchemy engine which is only made from stuff in the constant so does that mean wagstaff can be charged with exporting illegal materials or something?

[@Arca-hc6sh]

wheelers "gun" whould most likely qualify as a air gun or some kind of that

[@Amethyst.i]

“…Would they be considered guilty or…” Me: … or Innocent? “…Or not guilty!” Me: oh.

[@GavinIrwin]

Due to woodlegs quotes with a certain bird and octopus In shipwrecked he appears to know them already which means he could’ve been in the constant for a long time

[@CutestDemon]

I'd say, by being able to be used by the player, WX is sentient and knowing of his actions, since from anything from doing something for fun (players picking flowers because they want to have a collection) to attacking other players for no reason other than to hit them, this could mean that WX has a "soul" To me, this is shown by the fact that other automatrons/robots/livingobjects aren't playable, and therefore have no willful actions of their own. However, since he is by definition not a human, he might just be put underlock for being a dangerous object, than a human prisoner. And likely dismantled by someone who doesnt believe robots can have willful souls, and become someone's toaster shell. And, probably that any creator of beings like WX would probably be seen as an accomplice due to not giving them violent-limitations.

[@elChuchmay]

cmon we know it wasnt wagstaff experimenting on animal-machine hybrids here, it was WX78's old body whose skeleton might have ended in Wilson's house

[@SpitfireKFMBT]

14:16 THERE BE TREASURE

[@Peter-jn1hr]

I am unsure if Wurt was born in the constant or not. From the gorge we know that people can turn into merms, so without enough information we do not know where Wurt was born.

[@LiveByTheNumbers]

This one would have been fun to do with period accurate laws! Resurrectionists were a huge problem in both Victorian England and the early history of the United States, and often they would sell those bodies to unscrupulous scientists and doctors who were also prevented from taking donations but had to dissect human bodies as part of their education. It’s a great microcosm of how laws can be made for very understandable reasons but lead to obvious worse outcomes.

[@aaronlim8918]

Just wondering, is Willow get something off? Weren’t shadow demons getting her, and they took her only defence, her ready bear

[@yoyo777]

i love the thumbnail

[@Menno_3]

Gross negligence is also child abuse.

[@StarryKnightPinkle]

Wasn’t there a scrapped, Safari Hunter dude? What was his Name, and what would he be charged with?

[@Splendidus143]

i thought faking your own death was a crime, which Maxwell technically did.

[@sarcastic_ocupie1669]

Not sure the California Law regarding trash but at the start Wagstaff was stealing garbage, which in some states I believe is considered theft of private property if it is not on the curve

[@ravenchild7517]

Great video, just one thing: weren't Willow just a child when she burnt up the orphanage? Would she still be punished for it?

[@EliKirbyYoutube]

Maxwell and Wagstaff taking a 3rd of the video up concerns me.

[@Rayneworld]

Genuine question. When did the survivors go from primarily being located in Europe, to primarily being located in California? I've played Don't Starve since before Don't Starve Together exists, and before RoG exists. I'm assuming the lore changed a bit? I'm not saying Polarlotus is wrong or anything, I just haven't kept up terribly well.

[@alastair9707]

Funny thing about woody is you can see some newspaper clips on him in a short of I think Wolfgang and it speaks about a werebever so not a crime but he’s a Cryptid

[@zallian]

small question here, are these done with the current legal system, or the laws and regulations of the time frame the game is set in? because im pretty sure there would be some differing verdicts!

[@Songking222]

7:15, although it would normally be wagstaffs fault for what laws the robot broke, it isn't their fault as the robot is run by AI and if it was self learning aswell it would not be wastages fault

[@V0IDL355-xyz]

Wagstaff has been known to be a con man so you add that to the charges

[@Random-user22]

being a con man isnt a crime bruh

[@KnightOfBred]

@@Random-user22 He's a Con Man, Scamming people, which is Illegal b r u h

[@Babbleplay]

Is there any leeway for Maxwell? I mean, he clearly did it unintentionally; murder may be reduced to manslaughter, and, in all his use of the book to that point, he never seemed to experience any effects like that on the level of a massive earthquake, so, it could be argued he had no way of knowing that could be an outcome.

[@fractalgem]

@@Babbleplay or that the shadows are the ones responsible for the earthquake. The kidnappings are all on him tho.

[@Wizardsaresquishy]

@@Babbleplay manslaughter is actually a description of “I meant to slap him not kill him!” It’s for when the guilty guy was already aggressive, did intend to use some force but not a lethal amount. You’d be charged with it if you drove towards a guy to scare him away and accidentally hit him, but not if it was because your brakes malfunctioned. Maxwell would either be considered under duress for all of it, or considered not guilty by reason of demonic possession.

[@Babbleplay]

@@Wizardsaresquishy oh, for whatever reason, I thought manslaughter also included deaths that were unintentional, but happened by careless, reckless, or clueless behavior

[@The1FishFry]

14:15 I fell asleep and woke up at this point and thought I was dreaming lmao