What if the Takeda WON at Nagashino? | Nobunaga's Ambition: Sphere of Influence

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The Shogunate

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@TheShogunate Жыл бұрын

Do you like this style of video with me reading all of the dialog?

@PR0AC3 Жыл бұрын

I like it but it would be top notch if you could get the real samurai to read their lines ^^

@kevinstachovak8842 Жыл бұрын

I love your channel. Too bad KZbin is being so restrictive- it hampers creativity and causes uploaders to be wary of such things as age restriction/ demonetization. Thanks for your content

@kevinstachovak8842 Жыл бұрын

@@PR0AC3 good lord that would be epic if possible

@raijinryu47 Жыл бұрын

Since you've covered majority of the Sengoku era, you may want to consider doing other "what if's" like this one. They are a lot of clans and scenarios that you may want to cover in your next videos.

@renanfbarbosa Жыл бұрын

Yes

@Demniox Жыл бұрын

I like how you relate to History. Your knowledge about the Sengoku Jidai Period is amazing. You should choose one minor clan, start at the battle of okehazama and make your way through this chaotic times. It would be very entertaining to seeing how you would act in a time where Oda Nobunaga try’s to claim the land. I believe many people would watch your let’s play. Keep up the good work. (If you do so, pls do not use created officers)!

@michaeldiaz4563 Жыл бұрын

You did a brilliant performance in reading the dialog, friend. Lord Shingen would have been very pleased with your talents.

@krimzonstriker7534 Жыл бұрын

If only Shingen was here to enjoy this. Personally I'd like a what if Ieyasu had finally died in one of the many instances he almost did in his life 😅

@The_Custos Жыл бұрын

Yes

@Vestu Жыл бұрын

Yes. Ieyasu is the least interesting character in the whole period 😄

@bkjeong4302 11 ай бұрын

My personal “What if” is if the Takeda (under Shingen), Hojo (under Ujiyasu) and Uesugi (under Kenshin) manage to form an alliance to deal with the Three Unifiers, while in the west and south the same thing happens between the Mori (under the old Motonari), Shimazu and Chosokabe (the idea being that the Shimazu and Chosokabe get to take full control of Kyushu and Shikotsu respectively while the Mori receive aid against the Three Unifiers and against the Otomo), around the time of Nobunaga’s march on Kyoto (so that all the big-name individual daimyo would be still around and with their clans on the rise or at full power). Nine of the biggest names in the Sengoku Jidai in three different alliances. Let them fight. Bonus points if this prevents the Imjin War from happening and saves a lot of Korean lives, or if the Ashikaga Shogunate takes advantage of this to prevent itself from getting overthrown (because everyone who could pull it off is busy fighting everyone else).

@nont18411 6 ай бұрын

@@Vestu Of course, because he’s a protagonist. That’s why he’s the most boring and has the biggest plot armor.

@Vestu 6 ай бұрын

@@bkjeong4302Yeah the Korean invasion was stupid. I also would've liked a western alliance (Mori, Shimazu, Chosokabe etc.) and eastenr alliance (Takeda, Hojo, Uesugi etc.)

@AngryHistorian87 Жыл бұрын

I have to admit. I’m now considering getting this game thanks to you 👍 Also, as a Takeda fan, I thank you for making this video. Takeda Shingen would’ve been very pleased with your victory and diplomatic skills.

@JiggaMan1297 Жыл бұрын

Nagashino to me is one of the saddest moments/battles in samurai warfare... The Takeda (primarily Shingen) was the only clan that I believe possessed power and ambition to defeat Oda Nobunaga, if only Katsuyori had made better decisions. I think Uesugi Kenshin also had the power and prowess to do so, but I don't think he had such an ambition.

@AceMoonshot Жыл бұрын

I feel that if Uesugi Kenshin had lived another 10-20 years, then even without overwhelming ambition, necessity would have brought him to the larger stage. Given Kenshin's alliances, I feel Ieyasu would have switched sides. Effectively dooming the Oda. But ultimately, Ieyasu would likely still end up on top. Albeit with a different power structure.

@Chris_MarMar Жыл бұрын

I think that had he been born later Mori Motonari could beat Nobunaga. That’s tricky though because he hard carried the Mori clan early on because they were surrounded by powerful and large foes like the Ouchi and Amago.

@sukitron5415 Жыл бұрын

@@Chris_MarMar it's probably more accurate to say if Motonari lived longer

@Chris_MarMar Жыл бұрын

@Sukitron I mean he was 75 when he died. That's already better than most other daimyo lol. Only a few others lived longer than that like Amago Tsunehisa who lived to be 84.

@sukitron5415 Жыл бұрын

@@Chris_MarMar fair point but if he'd lived as long as say Hojo Genan for example he might have been able to make the Mori masters of all of Western Japan not just chugoku

@Takeda_Katsuyori Жыл бұрын

Going to Nagashino tomorrow, thanks for the advice

@Cozgrover Жыл бұрын

Sphere of Influence is one of my favourites too. I look forward to seeing more content like this.

@justadanifan3537 Жыл бұрын

This was awesome. Love this new content. Some gameplay in between your normal stuff is very much appreciated.

@LuisLopez-zh9kh Жыл бұрын

What a coincidence! I also began this scenerio in the expansion last week.

@serblue5793 Жыл бұрын

My only question Shogunate is why stop so soon? the winning of the battle shoul'd have been only the beginning!!! I woul'd have enjoyed it verry much if you keep recording your campaign.. That being said you do amezing Video's and it is a pleasure every time you release one. Thank you

@TheShogunate Жыл бұрын

I would have loved to continue, but sadly I know how difficult the path to Kyoto is and I can't guarantee that it would go well or make good content haha

@DarkSeresutia Жыл бұрын

that campaign is hard cause you lack personel as Takeda, even with victory at Nagashino you have like 6-9 good commanders when the rest are pathetic so 9 castless and later you literally has none to choose from its literally better to destroy Tokugawa and get his generals cause he has few of them too lack of personel always was the biggest issue with those games

@grandadmiralzaarin4962 Жыл бұрын

I'd love to see this for the alternative Sekigahara campaign where Ishida Mitsunari triumphs!

@Atom523 Жыл бұрын

I love doing that scenario, it would be great to see that on this channel.

@grandadmiralzaarin4962 Жыл бұрын

@@Atom523 Same, it takes me back to the days of the first Kessen game playing the second campaign as the Western Army.

@Atom523 Жыл бұрын

@grandadmiralzaarin4962 same I always preferred playing as the western army in Kessen. Winning the battle in Nobunaga's Ambition SOI is lots of fun, though the campaign is really rough afterwards as you have so few officers that if is really hard to staff your castles as the game goes on.

@khal7702 Жыл бұрын

@@grandadmiralzaarin4962was a great game, came out around same time as first Total War Shogun I think

@raijinryu47 Жыл бұрын

Played this scenario, and would really love to see it in this channel. Its sad that the toyotomi faction only understands mitsunari after his death and ieayusu is already shogun

@A_Toastonawhiteplate Жыл бұрын

Really like to see more of the game...still trying to learn it

@LibertarianTerriermon Жыл бұрын

Imagine if the Uesugi Joined forces with the Takeda The Oda would be Screwed if Kenshin was calling the shots

@CoffeeSuccubus Жыл бұрын

I mean tbh, the only way this could happen, is if you watch Shingens cutscene in Samurai Warriors 2, where Shingen fakes his death rather than actually dying and is present in Nagashino. Shingen would just troll the fuck out of Nobunaga Why do I say this? Honestly, it sounds so much like Shingen to do this. He was after all, a really clever tactician. Faking his death then using Nagashino as bait to trap Nobunaga would of been one of the most ingenious plays in the Sengoku era. Imagine that. You hear that Shingen died on his way to Kyoto, Katsuyori is used as bait to lure out the Oda forces and meets him there. Suddenly, Shingen walks up and with a smirk, tsk tsk tsk at Nobunaga and Ieyasu. Oh no, it was a trick! Ambush!

@atomixfang Жыл бұрын

Shame youtube cant really tell the difference from legitimate educational content. BUt as always your videos are top notch.

@ivanlarav Жыл бұрын

Man the ost of this game is soooooo AMAZING!

@glennwilson10 Жыл бұрын

I am not a gamer, so I don't normally watch your game videos but I thought I would watch the first 5 minutes of this one as it is your latest video. I ended up watching it all and did indeed find it most interesting. I was very impressed with the way you read the dialogue. I don't know if you have any acting experience but you read it very expressively. I really enjoyed hearing it. I am still more interested in your history videos but maybe I would watch again. While I am here, I am very grateful for your introduction to me of the Buyuuden History channel, his material complements yours very well and I also enjoy his style of delivery. Looking forward to your future content.

@KOISAMURAI-y2y Жыл бұрын

Yes this is just what i wanted do more like this

@trokoshea1 Жыл бұрын

A more probable "what if" would have been: what if Shingen had put an end at the Tokugawa at Mikatagahara?

@patrickernane2 Жыл бұрын

This one is a dlc, in the base game you have a last hipotetical quest, after mikatagahara, that does just that, push back Oda-Tokugawa out and reach Kyoto.

@DarkSeresutia Жыл бұрын

Tokugawa had sons so nothing will change much probably

@bkjeong4302 9 ай бұрын

@@DarkSeresutia That is assuming his sons can survive his demise. The thing about all the really iconic Sengoku Jidai big-name clans is that they were hard-carried to success by very few, and often only one, individual for each clan, and then basically fell apart in the generation after that. Ieyasu avoided this issue by outliving all the other such people and playing the long game to consolidate a country-wide power base for himself; if he dies partway through this process all bets are off.

@DarkSeresutia 9 ай бұрын

@@bkjeong4302 the question was about Ieyasu dying at Mikatagahara. So at 1572-73, Tokugawa already had a son who was 13-14 at that time. He had a wife, it was Nobunagas daughter which mean their aliance will still stay. So tell me the difference with or without Ieyasu. The only one i see will be Tokugawas will probably became Odas vassal.

@Aries-jw3eq Жыл бұрын

Funny enough I was thinking this along with other battles amazing video

@Strider182 Жыл бұрын

I really would LOVE to see more of the Nobunaga's Ambition games!! I know you got access to the newer beta for the new game, but I would love to see more playthroughs of alternative history following different pivotal battle outcomes! :D

@MageWarren Жыл бұрын

KZbin's actions don't make sense unless viewed through the following lens: Lower the costs of paying our creators as much as possible to survive the drop in demand for advertisement.

@xxmrbrooksxx Жыл бұрын

Great video. These type of videos are helpful. And all your content is great.

@-RONNIE Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video it gives us something to think about

@TheAleatoriorandom Жыл бұрын

Great video!

@Powerhouse1 Жыл бұрын

Hey Shogunate. Really like this idea of going for hypothetical scenarios in Nobunaga's Ambition. Regarding the dialogue, if you need some additional voices, I'm willing to provide some. Let me know if it's something you're interested in. Thanks!

@khal7702 Жыл бұрын

artwork is soo good in this game!

@diapason89 9 ай бұрын

Oda: "Noooooo I have matchlocks and spears!" Takeda: "Haha git gud, fool."

@pelfdog8525 Жыл бұрын

That was a great video

@slowhand761 Жыл бұрын

I have learned a lot from you.🙌

@shinsenshogun900 Жыл бұрын

The Furinkazan unfurls one more as the struggle rekindles between the Oda and the Takeda clans!

@johnwright9049 Жыл бұрын

Reading all the text does not bother me.

@PrettyBoyFemto Жыл бұрын

Takedas father is also a blind swordsman

@lonl123 Жыл бұрын

It's fun to think if this had happened in real life and a Takeda was one of the Unifiers...but reality is that Katsuyori was not his Dad by a long shot...and squandered the strength of the best cavalry force in Japan that day...and gave the Oda clan the victory they needed.

@DarkSeresutia Жыл бұрын

they had no chance tbh, the power of their lands was just too much in Oda favor ultimately i think its Shingens fault the Takeda loses, Shingen got too many enemies on all sides when they are even weakest than Hojo by numbers Oda had weaker enemies like Asakura etc and still had problem with them, so that thing Takeda stay strong up to the 1575 is an achievement at its own I think Takeda should ally with both Hojo and Uesugi nearly at all costs and go all in vs Tokugawa to destroy him, it was the only chance for him to at least have chance vs Oda later. Basically Shingens war vs Kenshin should end after it became clear Kenshin isn't an idiot like Shingens previous enemies or even Murakami. The same goes with Hojo. The weird diplomacy of Takeda vs Uesugi and Hojo is a puzzle to me. Their goal never did contradict themself, they should ally. But Katsuyori couldn't decide which one ally to for far too long.

@lonl123 Жыл бұрын

@@DarkSeresutia All very good points, The war he had with Uesugi was very attritional (Kawanakajima etc) and nibbled away at his strength. I am really curious if Hojo or Uesugi would have made a military alliance with him....I don't think either of those clans would have been cool with Shingen being in charge, but I could be wrong. :)

@DarkSeresutia Жыл бұрын

@@lonl123 it was rather problematic cause Uesugi had some sort of rights of the land of Kanto Hojo wanted to conquer and part of it he did conquered. So Uesugi had bad relations with Hojo for a long time up nearly the death of Hojo Ujiyasu ,a bit before Shingens. I think Shingen did waste too much time waging war with those 2 and later Katsuyori was before the enemy he had nearly no chance to defeat. In like 1565-70 Takeda Should already have the aliances with those 2. But they had war with Hojo even in 1569, then Shingen died 4 years later, then Katsuyori wasted some time to prove himself etc. They just run out of time at that point.

@bkjeong4302 9 ай бұрын

@@lonl123 Shingen did ally with Ujiyasu a few times, so we know it could have worked.

@Mikey-rh1ic Жыл бұрын

If Takeda Shingen manages to live on for another year, how would he handle the Battle of Nagashino, especially with Oda Nobunaga getting his hands on a hefty supply of rifles and use them on his sinister plan to eradicate the Takeda Clan

@CoffeeSuccubus Жыл бұрын

I bet that Nagashino would be more of a trap for Nobunagas army and Nobunaga himself and Shingen would just bait him by faking his death. It just sounds so like him to do that

@Mikey-rh1ic Жыл бұрын

@@CoffeeSuccubus Oda Nobunaga: Today, the pathetic House of Takeda shall perish! Mwahahahahahahaha! Takeda Shingen: Not so fast, boy! I am here to wipe you out along with your army as well as your lackey, Tokugawa Ieyasu! Oda Nobunaga: What is this? You’re supposed to be dead! Takeda Shingen: Oh my dear Nobunaga, my so-called death is just a ploy to catch you off guard and beat you all over the battlefield! Do you yield? Oda Nobunaga: I do not yield! I shall crush you, you old imbecile! Prepare yourself for your demise! The Battle of Nagashino ended with the Oda-Tokugawa forces beaten and angered by Tokugawa Ieyasu’s performance at the battle, Oda Nobunaga had marked his former buddy for extermination and fearing for his life, Tokugawa Ieyasu pledges fealty to Takeda Shingen Somewhere in Azuchi Castle Oda Nobunaga: The trap has been set and the feeble old tiger shall burn in Hell! Mwahahahahahahahahaha!

@jeffreygao3956 Жыл бұрын

Sounds like INCREDIBLY long odds! But even if the near impossible happened, I guess Japan would be ripe for conquest from Russia or China or something.

@manusiabumi7673 Жыл бұрын

30:50 Poor Naito got shafted lol

@order_truth_involvement6135 Жыл бұрын

Now that you're pretty much done with Sengoku Jidai history, you should start a series on the amazing Kamakura period.

@rdf4315 Жыл бұрын

I like this video I would actually like to see you start doing live streams playing samurai games old and new, I think that would be pretty cool and it will hold a lot of people over until the next big content video.

@maximus0928 Жыл бұрын

I feel like if I were uesugi kenshin after tedorigawa. I’d just go back knock all the drinks out of his hands and say there we win. Now let’s go take Kyoto!

@yukimurasanada5209 Жыл бұрын

when I did this fight, I failed multiple times and barely won Nobunaga was tearing Kosaka apart but we rushed him and won, Katsuyuri had literally 1 man left hiding behind a rock from Nobunaga's guns Chaotic but the dialogue and epic win and Tokugawa enslavement is totally worth it lol, The Masamune Date-What if at Osaka is cool to see as is the Toyotomi win at Osaka, I play as Hideyori since the others just go on to be officers under very easy to die factions

@VladiSSius Жыл бұрын

I think the age-restricted hammer comes from the title; you use "D**D" word. KZbin has been increasing their grip on disallowing harsh words to be used in title. That's why, some channels decides to go with emojis and/or using "alternate" words.

@TheShogunate Жыл бұрын

Yeah I wondered if that might be it

@aldairjpicasso.picassildo5283 Жыл бұрын

Like.👍🏽

@rikimaru103 Жыл бұрын

i would like to see how this campaign played out in the end since i never get the dlc.. do we get a special dialogue or event if Katsuyori capture the capital is what i would like to know