What if the TWO WITNESSES in REVELATION are ISRAEL and the CHURCH? | Will we be k*lled? | S3E28

[@seph1920]

I believe many are going to be saved in the last days.....Jew, Muslim, Atheist and some so called Christians. Praise God, there is still time for ALL. ❤

[@simplerfaith]

"And all who call upon the name of the Lord will be saved." Amen.

[@orlandoguss1019]

Salvation is only for the true CHILDREN OF ISRAEL, the HEBREWS only. Now other nations can kling to them, but you can't get salvation from the POWER OF ISRAEL, if you been hating his ppl. Which is the case for the whole western world. Y'all can't fool THE MOST HIGH, it aint gon happen .

[@simplerfaith]

@orlandoguss1019 Do you not believe that "everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved?"

[@orlandoguss1019]

@@simplerfaith what name tho, because Lord is just a title, &:jesus is a made up character, a name thatz been injected in the scriptures to change real narrative, so ppl can salvation was for gentile nations. They painted the faces of the judges in their likeness, roughly paraphrasing. The son of POWER is not a Japheite, he was HEBREW ISRAELITE from the TRIBE OF JUDAH.

[@simplerfaith]

That's the right question. I would answer as Peter did: "Rulers and elders of the people...know this, you and all the people of Israel: It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead... Jesus is ‘the stone you builders rejected, which has become the cornerstone.’ Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.”

[@bonniemoerdyk9809]

i thank you for this video, and have never considered this, but it could be a possibility. Scriptures themselves speak of making more sense in end times matters the closer we are to them. 📜📖

[@simplerfaith]

Thanks. Yes, that would make sense. The light gets ever brighter as the day nears. But it's been getting brighter my whole life. Whenever I speak to these things, I'm reminded of my grandpa's library which I inherited some time ago. He pastored during the 60s, 70s, and 80s and had a collection of various end times books that interpreted the signs with great certainty, saying that Jesus' return was imminent. They didn't age well. It reminds me to keep all my own speculations in check with a holy shrug. I do think my position in this video makes sense, but the practical application is to be prepared and faithful. *That* message transcends everything else and is the one where we all have concensus. Jesus is Lord and he is coming back. Hallelujah. Amen.

[@calledisrael434]

Isaiah 44;1-8 ....two together Chosen, Named. & called MY WITNESSES only one location where they are revealed......Shalom.

[@charlesyoung695]

That's a perspective I never considered,very possible,time and events will tell,let's pray about it and see what the Spirit of Truth,The Holy Spirit reveals about it,Jesus said what ever we ask the Father in his name it will be done for us,he said to ask and for those who ask ,seek and knock will receive,thank you for presenting it,it fits like a comfortable glove the possibility of it,The truth and time will tell ❤️🙏⭐

[@simplerfaith]

Yes! Pray with humility and faith, eager to see God's will unfold, even if for a time (and purpose) it involves things like martyrs.

[@maryshahbazi5996]

Bible also says be careful what one ask, because he will answer......

[@simplerfaith]

@maryshahbazi5996 Where does it say that?

[@memelissa2]

Interesting idea, I'd never thought about it that way. It even ties in on my concern with the pre-trib vs post-trib rapture debate. My concern is not which scenario is correct, but which idea will cause believers to lose faith. If pre-trib is correct, post-trib believers get the benefit too. But, if the post-trib thought is correct, come the tribulation, many pre-trib believers may fall away because they will think that God has abandoned them. In your scenario, many believers will be put in situations that will test their fate. I pray we all stay strong in the Lord.

[@simplerfaith]

Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes!

[@sandragambrel9721]

I'm a pre-trib believer, and can't speak for anyone, but me. But, I would just say, "Oh s**t, Lord, we got it wrong"!!! lol. God will still be God, and I will still be His. Alive or dead when He does come. Hallelujah!!! I will still have the Holy Spirit abiding in me. I'll do what He tells me to do. Fear, and doubt, need to be resisted. I wouldn't think He had abandoned me. I would know what's coming down the road, for many, including myself, and loved ones. Many human beings around the World will die during the Trib.. Thank God, I'm not afraid to die, and be present with the Lord, amen!!! We are Blessed, and "a peculiar" group of people. We are called the Children of God, not the Children of Israel, praise God. Come quickly, Lord, amen!

[@maryshahbazi5996]

If one loses faith it is because they exercise in faith has fallen short of the glory of God in the first place. Either one knows and believes or one has not built that bond with God yet to receive the true faith of God's power. Read "Steward of God's Mysteries", author Mary Esther Shahbazi and the readers life will change forever and will never doubt faith in God. When the Holy Ghost literally drives your car to save your life or raises you from the dead and you hear his voice commanding you throughout many years, you will have super faith and you will never fall out of his hands.

[@simplerfaith]

@@maryshahbazi5996 you wrote that book?

[@maryshahbazi5996]

@@simplerfaith yes I wrote it, I waited a lifetime to publish my true testimonies because of ridicule and mufon investigator inspired me to write it to let the world know what God can do and show you. Mufon believes it's all connected and I didn't put everything in it up to this day.

[@iamwatchful]

I've considered that myself, where I struggle is the weather, the plagues, the fire and dying in the streets where the world sends gifts to one another.

[@simplerfaith]

Agreed. I can see the celebrating. Especially watching how quickly people celebrated the attack on Israel. Even Americans who we like to think are above that. But the only way I can think of to make sense of fire coming out of their mouths and consuming their enemies, and having power to make it not rain, turn the rivers to blood, and strike the earth with plagues, is to see it as symbolic. It's not a stretch to think of fire as symbolic. John said Jesus would bring a baptism of fire, and we don't complain that he didn't literally set people on fire. And rain is seen as a blessing. Perhaps it's the power to refuse blessing? Water and blood has significant symbolism in the scriptures. In fact, that, along with plagues are listed in other parts of Revelation. What's to say they aren't connected? I'm very slowly studying the four stories of seven in Revelation. There are seven churches, seven seals, seven trumpets, and seven plagues, with each story culminating in a magnificent event with rumblings, peals of thunder, etc. I think most people try to read Revelation as if it's a linear storyline with individual stories. But I suspect it is the same story told in various ways. I even think you can make a case for the stories being already but not yet. I think there's some understanding to be had there. And while I haven't finalized my thinking on the parallels, it does influence my thinking here. If you have any insights, let me know.

[@iamwatchful]

@@simplerfaith we're agreed, there are many variables when it comes to understanding who the two witnesses are. Have you considered whether the seven churches are the measuring reed used to measure the Temple right before the two witnesses receive their authority to torment the gentiles in the outer court? Out of the seven only two have nothing to repent from, Smyrna and Philadelphia, the church under crushing pressure and the church of brotherly love. The remaining five have some good in them but also have things to repent from. These metrics sound like a way of measuring a people who make up the temple of God, whose chief cornerstone is the son of God. Perhaps the two witnesses are Smyrna and Philadelphia (Jews & Gentiles?, Ephraim & Manasseh?) And the other five are the outer courts given to the be tread underfoot (winepress of wrath)? Whether the two witnesses are a corporate body or two individuals remains enclear, but I like your reasoning I can see it going either way. Check out my latest video on seal #4 you might find it interesting

[@simplerfaith]

That's a new thought for me about the seven churches as the measuring reed. Hmmm. That's interesting to consider! Thanks for that.

[@hayahwassa]

Good news! John the revelator is one of the two witnesses. He got called to preach to all nations, God doesn't change His mind. He got all the equipment, saw heaven open, ate the little book . met the 24 elders and angels singing in heaven, (he sang with them in the vision like the two witnesses do now they are singing prophets) He saw the animals crying, and John shows up in the whole book of revelation at the beginning to the end. John was probably reclining on the chest of Jesus when they were arguing about his place. He was very young a manchild. Like kids who want to sit in the front seat arguing. Yaka one of the witnesses new names they have thousands of sweet new names One essential significance of the Greek word prophētēs is 'one who speaks forth,' principally, of course, as a forth-teller of the Divine will The other ones name is in the bible too its Crown. They are singing prophets, the end time judges Howesa guardian protector parent Jhn 21:22 Jesus replied, "If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you? As for you, follow me." Whats in John’s little book and who ate it? The two witnesses are singing prophets like David and Isaiah. What do they sing? Johns little closed up end times long song book now open the key to understanding the end times What does it say? Its like whole end times welcome packet has something for everybody. Everybody gets something from the book. Even the animals get something from the book. There are new end times parables, new songs, new proverbs, new anointings, new things springing up. It was hidden in the old testament. And there is a lot of confirmation of all of it in every way all in the rest of the bible. Its really really sweet and a song book like Isaiah and Psalms are song books. Worship is really stressed. Its Revelations expanded Talks in depth about the two witnesses, the bride of Christ, the 24 elders, the asleep in Christ, the animals in heaven and earth, the horsemen, how the resurrection will happen, the marker, the devil, and the judgments. The judgments are bitter and painful. The other part is sweet as honey. And its different than people thought, it was all hidden until the end times. The songs are for Sending out the latter rain Changing the weather Healing Repentance songs Love songs from the heart of God to us Resurrection of life songs Kicking the devils butt Sending Fire and whirlwinds (look around whats going on?) New name seal songs (our names are written in a book) Calling the animals Judgment songs Worship songs the most important part this is how we get heaven open Its open now and I got to eat the little book too. It even has a funny page full of jokes This is book it has bitter judgment songs from the mouth of God and the songs do light fires. Look at all the fires [Zec 5:1-4 NKJV] 1 Then I turned and raised my eyes, and saw there a flying scroll. 2 And he said to me, "What do you see?" So I answered, "I see a flying scroll. Its length [is] twenty cubits and its width ten cubits." 3 Then he said to me, "This [is] the curse that goes out over the face of the whole earth: 'Every thief shall be expelled,' according [to] this side of [the scroll]; and, 'Every perjurer shall be expelled,' according [to] that side of it." 4 "I will send out [the curse]," says the LORD of hosts; "It shall enter the house of the thief And the house of the one who swears falsely by My name. It shall remain in the midst of his house And consume it, with its timber and stones." [Rev 10:2, 8-10 KJV] 2 And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and [his] left [foot] on the earth, ... (the right and left hand of Jesus with Him the two witnesses telling their tale to be told finishing their testimony) (this is 8 And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said, Go [and] take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth. 9 And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take [it], and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey. 10 And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter. Why the songs? [Pro 18:21 KJV] 21 Death and life [are] in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof. The morning stars sang together at creation so the tongue creates and brings fruit. The morning stars sing together Ode of Solomon 23 mentions the long letter I post 5 And His thought was like a letter; His will descended from on high, and it was sent like an arrow which is violently shot from the bow: p. 132 6 And many hands rushed to the letter to seize it and to take and read it: 7 And it escaped their fingers and they were affrighted at it and at the seal that was upon it. 8 Because it was not permitted to them to loose its seal: for the power that was over the seal was greater than they. 9 But those who saw it went after the letter that they might know where it would alight, and who should read it and who should hear it. 10 But a wheel received it and came over it: 11 And there was with it a sign of the Kingdom and of the Government: 12 And everything which tried to move the wheel it mowed and cut down: 13 And it gathered the multitude of adversaries, and bridged the rivers and crossed over and rooted up many forests and made a broad path. 14 The head went down to the feet, for down to the feet ran the wheel, and that which was a sign upon it. 15 The letter was one of command, for there were included in it all districts; 16 And there was seen at its head, the head which was revealed even the Son of Truth from the Most High Father, 17 And He inherited and took possession of everything. And the thought of many was brought to nought. 18 And all the apostates hasted and fled away. And those who persecuted and were enraged became extinct. 19 And the letter was a great volume, which was wholly written by the. finger of God: 20 And the name of the Father was on it, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, to rule for ever and ever. Hallelujah.

[@stumped463]

Interesting view on this part of scripture . God may very well given you insight to this profissy . I am intrigued and will study more . Thank you for sharing . What we need is a day of global prayer to be coordinated through all time zones to bring peace . The power of prayer is just that powerful. May God bless you and yours . Thanks again.

[@simplerfaith]

Thank you.

[@ivehaddreams]

Very interesting food for thought.

[@ingriddematas3163]

I have to say that all this may be fine but atrocities are atrocities, evil is evil no matter who does it . Does not have anything against a people. There is hate right now for the Palestinian people we should have love for all people. Nothing makes it okay to kill indiscriminately

[@miriamcohen7657]

Decapitated babies, raped girls, kidnapped and murdered families. What does it take to move you?

[@wettham715]

WITHOUT THE OLD AND NEW TESTIMENTS, WE CAN NOT UNDERSTAND GODS PLAN. IT IS ALL THERE. ❤😂

[@simplerfaith]

I agree.

[@petermilburn1214]

How can the church and Israel be the two witnesses of revelation when the rapture of the church happens before tribulation?

[@janowen3764]

Have you read Daniel 7:1-28 and especially verse 25? Also Revelation 13:1-6? Perhaps you've been mislead about "the rapture" doctrine. Maybe the church is going through at least part if not all the Tribulation. How else will we be purified and spotless as the Bride of Christ? The Church is not ready yet in case you haven't noticed.

[@simplerfaith]

Where does scripture say it happens before?

[@petermilburn1214]

@@simplerfaith The text from the Geneva bible 1599 in 2 Thess2 v 3 was changed in newer versions from saying " Let no one decieve you by any means for that Day will not come unless the departure comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition". The church is not mentioned in any scripture which discusses the tribulation in the book of revelation. Saints are mensioned in the tribulation, but saints are also mensioned in the OT! But that does not prove the church was there. The church age began with the out pouring of the Holy Spirit and ends with the rapture. The church is discussed in Rev ch 1 to 3 before the tribulation. And again in Rev ch 19 to 22 after the tribulation. But not in ch 6 to 18 during the tribulation Why would Jesus prepare a place for His followers in heaven if the rapture was post trib because they would never see it. This is because after the millennium heaven and earth are rolled up like a scroll and a new heaven and earth are created. Which means the place He prepares for His followers would never be used see John ch 14 v 1 to3.

[@simplerfaith]

Thanks for taking the time to explain all that. Of course, yours is one of the interpretations that is historically accepted, but not the only one. I personally do see the church in chapter 7 (the 144,000), chapter 8 (the prayers of God's people), chapter 9 (the angel is told not to harm people who have the seal of God on their foreheads), chapter 11 of course, and chapter 12 (the dragon wages war against "those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus"), etc. It keeps going. It seems to me like a motivated reading to say that the church isn't mentioned in those chapters. That said, rather than me trying to prove that the church is present during the tribulation (those chapters), consider the possibility that the book of Revelation is not a linear story told beginning to end, but rather, several parallel accounts of the same story. But please hear me when I qualify all this by saying that it's not dogma for me, but speculation. Conjecture. And I believe it's worth considering. I also believe certitude isn't helpful to the conversation. Your view may be right. But I think my view has validity. Thanks for taking time to engage on this.

[@SpotterVideo]

New Covenant Whole Gospel: What the modern Church needs is a New Covenant Revival (Heb. 9:10) in which members of various denominations are willing to re-examine everything they believe and see if it agrees with the Bible, instead of the traditions of men. We need to be like the Bereans. It will be a battle between our flesh and the Holy Spirit. It will not be easy. If you get mad and upset when someone challenges your man-made Bible doctrines, that is your flesh resisting the truth found in God's Word. Nobody can completely understand the Bible unless they understand the relationship between the Old Covenant given to Moses at Mount Sinai and the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary. What brings all local churches together into one Body under the blood of Christ? The answer is found below. Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him. He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth. Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by husband unto them, saith the LORD: Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? What did Paul say about Genesis 12:3 in Galatians 3:8? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis? Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart. Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36) We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24. 1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us. The following verses prove the Holy Spirit is the master teacher for those now in the New Covenant. Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Mar 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost. Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost. 1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. Watch the KZbin videos “The New Covenant” by David Wilkerson, or Bob George, and David H.J. Gay. .

[@simplerfaith]

Thanks for the comment. I'm with you in your first couple sentences. But then the explanation of it seems to recomplicate it for me. I mean, I say amen to all those scriptures because they're scripture -- but also because they've been especially meaningful to me in my own understanding of new life in the Holy Spirit. But are you saying that most Christians don't believe it, and that we need to teach all this in order for us to have unity? I want to understand.

[@SpotterVideo]

@@simplerfaith Both Reformed Covenant Theology and Dispensational Theology ignore or pervert the New Covenant promised in Jer. 31:31-34. Why do they ignore it? It reveals the errors of their man-made Bible doctrines. Who is now the King of Israel in John 1:49? Is the King of Israel now the Head of the Church, and are we His Body? In Rev. 1:20 Christ said the word "candlesticks" is a symbol of the churches in the Book of Revelation. In Romans 11 Paul used the two olive trees as a symbol of the New Covenant Church made up of faithful Israelites and faithful Gentiles grafted together into the same tree. Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. .

[@simplerfaith]

I would make the case that those who are in Christ are in the Spirit and are in the new covenant, whether they understand it cognitively or not. God does it and we understand it, but the understanding is something that we grow into. We don't need to have proper theological understanding about this in order to be beneficiaries of or participants in the new covenant. Perhaps I'm misreading your emphasis?

[@joeyharris4461]

Let no man teach you anything, Let the spirit teach you all 5:02 things, the holy spirit is the ride To the Father, you must be born again of the spirit, to see the kingdom, when the father pulls his spirit from the earth, We that have been born again Of the spirit got our ticket to ride, men you are just peddling Doubt? Be careful, it going to get so bad that isreal will cry out For the lord.

[@simplerfaith]

I pray that all who don't know the Lord will cry out for him. But to your first comment, Jesus has actually given the church teachers to teach people (Ephesians 4). So I wouldn't say not to let any man teach you anything. Instead, I've said it that I'm honored if someone listens to my teaching, but please put me third in line behind reading the scriptures for yourself, then studying them within a community of other believers. That helps us to recognize and avoid false teachings.

[@calledisrael434]

No one speaks as I do because the Lord has given me some Authority to speak & INSIGHT unlike many others as we ARE in the Last WEEK I believe ....also time [3.5yrs-the last Week is in two halves -first given to the man of sin ;2nd the gentiles of which I as a Messianic now belong] times [x3.5yrs] & a half a time [+ 1.75yrs] = 14years 'they will be given into his hand' [then his final 42 month Authority] hidden until the time of the END -NOW[an12;9?] which is how long BIBI 's time as most popular king extended to the day! The 2 Last prophets are Chosen , named & called MY WITNESSES by mighty Isaiah 44;1-8 only one place as such revealed.......hope this helps' enlighten' you with the 'good oil'...Maranatha Shalom....old Messianic [redeemed]Jew.

[@daniel9907]

Hey that makes a lot of sense I always wondered about that he was born right there I got all the evidence they'll Ever Need right right

[@simplerfaith]

When I visited a few years ago, we had to go into Palestinian territory to see the birthplace of Christ. Our Jewish guide handed us off to a Palestinian Christian. But the Jewish guide wasn't allowed to come in. Then when we were done the Palestinian Christian handed us back to the Jewish guide, but he wasn't allowed to come out. So much conflict there. But the good news is that there is a developing peace and fellowship between the Palestinian Christians and the Israeli Christians. I pray that their witness is peace.

[@888WulfDog888]

Yeah Ive been thinking for about a year or two that the two witnesses are the two testaments. The Church and Israel, makes perfect sense. Especially when you consider that Israel comes to the Lord in the last days and the Antichrist makes war on the saints and overcomes them. To my mind, the body is the groom and Israel is the bride, there is a wedding coming for sure.

[@simplerfaith]

Interesting thought. And yes, a wedding is coming. As I think through the scriptures, the union of the Jews and Gentiles has already been accomplished. Ephesians 2:15-16 says that "His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace, and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility." And in other scriptures the wedding metaphor describes the church as the bride and Jesus the groom. And "The Spirit and the Bride say, 'Come!'" Interesting to think of this as the engagement, where we're preparing for the wedding.

[@888WulfDog888]

@@simplerfaith but not fully, because Paul says that the Jews are temporarily blinded and will turn back to the Lord at some point. The Word speaks extensively about the remnant in the final days and that God has hidden His face from them until they say "blessed is he who comes in the name of The Lord". So there is yet still to be repentance from Israel. Spiritually we know we are being grafted onto the vine, but physically, more is to come.

[@888WulfDog888]

@@simplerfaith also the Bible doesn't call the church the bride, it calls new Jerusalem the bride of Christ, which has 12 foundation stones and twelve pearly gates.

[@simplerfaith]

@@888WulfDog888 I guess I should have clarified (I think I did in the video?) that when I speak of Israel that way, I mean those who are in Christ. Even if there is still a remnant who will come to faith, it will not be by virtue of Jewishness, but by virtue of faith, just like it is now. There will certainly continue to be people who are Jewish by descent but who never soften their hearts toward God or open their eyes to the Light of Christ. They will not be part of the bride of Christ. As for calling the church the bride of Christ, the metaphor shows up in places other than Revelation 21, like 2 Corinthians 11 where the audience is followers of Jesus Christ, and Paul refers to them as the bride with Jesus as their husband. And yes, it's true that in Revelation 21 we see the metaphor applied to the New Jerusalem, but note that on its twelve gates are written the names of the twelve tribes/patriarchs, and on its twelve foundation stones are the names of the twelve apostles. I believe this depicts the mysterious but glorious union and reconciliation that we see in Ephesians 2.

[@Norma-u4m]

I was interested in your interpretation of these verses because I recently began to wonder whether the two witnesses were the Church ad Israel. Because the olive trees represent Israel in the scriptures and the candlesticks represents the church. And the fact that there are two of each could represent plurality. This is just a theory of mine; I am certainly not dogmatic about it. I have just recently begun to wonder about it. The only problem about it that concerns me is that their bodies are in Jerusalem. Verse Rev. 11:7 correlates to Daniel 7:21. I was taught pre-trib rapture, but once studying the Bible, I have come to believe it is a false doctrine.

[@simplerfaith]

Thank you for that comment. It rings true doesn't it? And thank you for modeling humility in it. You blessed me this morning. Well done.

[@888WulfDog888]

Revelation 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. It doesn't say Jerusalem, it actually gives a very strong indication that it's an analogous city. I believe this; Sodom was destroyed because it was utterly corrupted and wicked Egypt was the place where God's people departed from after it had been struck with plagues, signs and wonders. So once the witnesses have been killed...... God's people have departed and the earth is completely corrupted. Where our Lord was crucified...... That part I need to think about, or I should say pray about a bit more, but I do believe I have the answer for it.

[@Norma-u4m]

@@888WulfDog888 Where our Lord was crucified. Isn't that Jerusalem? That's the part that concerns me.

[@888WulfDog888]

@@Norma-u4m yes but it's clearly analogous because it also says it's spiritually Egypt and Sodom.

[@prisciaquino4075]

Obviously Mr Schenk is wrong. He is "spiritualizing" the passage Rev 11:3 obviously vs the plain meaning of the text. He doesn't even consider the context of the passage which is quite obvious. Not good exegesis, sorry to say.

[@simplerfaith]

Just because I didn't speak of the context doesn't mean I didn't consider it. But please help me understand what you think I missed. Also, what do you think "spiritualizing" means? (I know the term, I just want to know how you use it.) Is thinking that a part of scripture is meant to be symbolic, the same thing as spiritualizing?

[@marchelleceryes398]

Blessings from Minnesota 😇 🙏 ✨️

[@simplerfaith]

Received in Florida! 🙏🙏🙏

[@MAGH1O1]

Before you delve into the logic of God's choices of his people you need to stop confusing the two terms: ISRAELITE versus JEWISH. They are not the same. This is critical: The first term refers to the progeny of Jacob, the second refers to the BELIEF of the person described as Jew or Jewish. To make the distinction clearer, please answer the following: If a Chinese, or a Japanese, or a European choses to adopt the Jewish belief, do they automatically become Israelite and acquire the right to live in the "promised real estate"? God chose the Israelites, the progeny of Jacob, NOT the Jews. This makes all the difference in understanding the current, (and previous), events in a religious context. The indigenous population of that piece of land are the progeny of Jacob, the Israelites, not the Jews. Genetic markers have unequivocally shown that the current "Palestinians" are in fact the indigenous population of that piece of land (Palestine). Palestinians are mainly Jewish, Christians, and Muslims. Some of them migrated to other parts of the world and many remained in Palestine. A person whose lineage is from Russia, for example, and whose great grand parents adopted the Jewish belief does NOT qualify as an Israelite. He/She is NOT a descendant of Jacob. Whereas a Palestinian whose great grand parents adopted the Islamic faith is still an Israelite because he is a descendant of Jacob. This is a critical point that is being intentionally overlooked as it exposes the true nature of the war that is raging against the indigenous population of Palestine. It's the evil colonial genocide of God's chosen people, the PALESTINIANS by the colonialists who come from Europe, America, the old Soviet Union and every where (even India and Africa) under the cover of the Jewish belief. The Palestinians, whether jewish, christian, or muslim, are the last remaining descendants of Jacob, (blessed be his memory whenever his name is mentioned), and they are being anihilated in their thousands by Satans forces using all sorts of destructive weapons. The almighty Lord is my witness I have declared it as it is and as, I pray, the Lord will be pleased with.

[@simplerfaith]

Am I detecting correctly that you're Muslim? I don't mean that to be dismissive, i just want to understand if we're approaching it from the same belief that Jesus is Lord, that there is no other, and that every knee will bow before him.

[@MAGH1O1]

@@simplerfaith I have given you a sincere message not based on any bias or judgement without expecting anything in return other than reflection and prayers for peace. Issa the Messiah son of the Virgin Mary (blessed are they and their names) is almost here, if not already, and he will be our Judge in front of our Creator. I pray we all are saved and accepted in his Kingdom.

[@simplerfaith]

​@@MAGH1O1Mine was a sincere question as well. It sounded like you were inviting me to dialog, but perhaps I misread it. No need to reply if you don't want to, but since your comment is on my channel, I'll respond to it. From a Christian perspective, all who are of Jewish decent are not spiritually Jews. This would be true of Israelis/Israelites, Palestinians, or any national or ethnic identity. Like Paul says in *Romans 2*.28-29 "A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code." *Ephesians 2*.11Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called “uncircumcised” by those who call themselves “the circumcision” (which is done in the body by human hands)- 12remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. 13But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ.14For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace, 16and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. 17He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. 18For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit. 19Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, 20built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. 22And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit. Progeny or blood line is no longer what orients our understanding of God's favor, or these prophecies, but the person's heart that bows before Jesus. "All who call upon the name of the Lord will be saved."

[@MAGH1O1]

@@simplerfaith Thank you for the referenced response. The raging war is not only based on the physical basis, but on a false colonially-based one. There would not be war if the spiritual definition, you refered to, of who is an Israelite/Jew, was considered. I am a 65 yo Arab Muslim. I was educated in America. Thank you again for your well-referenced response.

[@simplerfaith]

@MAGH101 I hear you. Thanks for the dialog.

[@barbydoll3496]

Actually the two witnesses are people . Here right now....in the 7th year of tribulations. Also altering the weather kind of gives it away.

[@simplerfaith]

@barbydoll3496 Thanks for commenting. It would be more helpful to say *why* you believe what you believe, not just state something as fact. Why do you believe what you wrote? Did someone teach you that? Or does it just "seem obvious" to you?

[@daniel9907]

Well it makes a lot of sense I don't know but it makes a lot of sense

[@craignappo5503]

The most important and overlooked prophecies by both Christans and jews refer to Ephraim and the lost house of Israel (the northern kingdom) so many quotes in the new testament scriptures are quotes about the lost 10 tribes. The book of Hosea is particularly important. Please refer to passages also, such as Isaiah chapters 8-11. Thats why the number 10 is all over the gospel of John. 10 lepers and 1 who comes back was from Samaria...the capital of Ephraim. 10 virgins. Yeshua preached in the Decapolis (10 towns). Anywho, the gist is that Ephraim and Judah are the 2 sticks that become one that God will hold in his hand and rule the nations, 2 sheepfolds that will be reunited. The two that will be yoked together equally and plough. The 2 who stand before the God. Consequently, the 2 that islam claims they will kill in the last days. The people of the Book.

[@simplerfaith]

Are you saying that's a Muslim view or a view held by some Christians?

[@craignappo5503]

@@simplerfaith I have heard Muslim apologists and teachers state this in there online teachings.

[@simplerfaith]

Thanks. That was my sense. As a Christian I wouldn't say those are the most important and overlooked prophecies.

[@craignappo5503]

​@@simplerfaith I would rephrase it as misunderstood. The fact that we as Christians and Jews are still trying to figure out who is who after 2000 years would support my point. If we look at the function and the history of Christianity and the Jewish people. The one point I'd just like to get us all to think about is if Ephraim(the 10 tribes) has disappeared 2,700 years ago in the Assyrian exile, why is he EVERYWHERE in the prophecies that are quoted in the New testament and the Old Testament (Tanakh) about the plan of God being fulfilled in him when there was only the Jewish people there? We have the "church" or Christianity in the role of Ephraim without acknowledging that he is Ephraim. Each group claiming only they are Israel but in fact both are 2 different witnesses of of God while both being a part of Israel. We will both become 1 flock soon when Ephraim repents of its lawlessness and Judah receives the Messiah because God keeps His word. Isaiah 11: 12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth. 13 The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim. 14 But they shall fly upon the shoulders of the Philistines (Palestinians)toward the west (Gaza); they shall spoil them of the east together (the west bank): they shall lay their hand upon Edom and Moab (Jordanians); and the children of Ammon shall obey them.I would just encourage Food for thought. May we all seek out the Prince of Peace

[@simplerfaith]

So you're saying the Church is spiritually the ten lost tribes of Israel? It seems like that comes from extrabiblical sources, and then is read back into the text. Or do I misunderstand you?

[@Bee71234]

The two witnesses are 2 men, maybe Elijah and Enoch !! It is very well discribe in revelation. And they will will preach the true Gospel for 3,5 year and then the End will comes! Then the Lord Jesus Christ comes to earth!

[@simplerfaith]

It may be two men. And yes, some speculate Elijah and Enoch. But there are other ways to read it. Revelation is filled with descriptions that most of us see as symbolic, like dragons and multiheaded beasts. But when it describes people, we then assume it's literal. That's understandable because it's familiar. But in some parts, it's hard to decide. Like, when you read about the prostitute riding on the beast, is the whole image allegorical or is only the beast that she's riding on? And the woman in the desert who bears a child, is that a real woman and child, or a picturesque way of seeing an event? And what about the patriarchs being gates and the apostles being foundations in the new Jerusalem, are they really gates and foundations or is that a picturesque way of speaking about what they stand for? I personally believe most of the imagery in Revelation is symbolic. But, like I say, if it's literal I won't be caught off guard. I'll recognize it, even if I'm amazed by it. And if it's communicating a hidden meaning, I'll be looking for that too, and hope to recognize it.

[@Bee71234]

@@simplerfaith I will give details this afternoon...I am at work...

[@Bee71234]

@@simplerfaith See, I will send the prophet Elijah to you before that great and dreadful day of the Lord comes. Malachi 4, 5.... For the others in the bible, the bible explain itself...Revelation 17 you read it and at the end of the chapter it is explain the woman is a great city, surrounded by 7 hills, probably Vatican... The beast are or is kingdom with rulers, water are people... Etc.... That means you have to find in our time today how to apply this text.

[@simplerfaith]

@@Bee71234 Do you believe that it's only figurative if it says so in the text? (I mean that as a question, not a challenge. )

[@Bee71234]

@@simplerfaith we see that in some texts they are symbols, why is that maybe our Lord want from us to make reasearch and also our Lord like to make it secret...But like as said you have to read but also to pray for discover...Yes I think this symbolic but if you find what is about it is figurative !! I don t know how your bible in english is written with paper but in my native language we have the translations of 2 translators for the old testament and the new, but we can find just at the end of the text ( relatives texts) which are mentionned in other chapters or also in the old testament.

[@almamiller575]

This to me is sad. A lot of people will be lost based on your theory. The Bible clearly states that His people will not return to their land until He returns and takes them there. Once they’re in their land they will have peace and Satan would be bound for a thousand years.

[@simplerfaith]

Regardless of how the end times plays out, all who reject Jesus will be lost, whether Jew or Gentile. Or are you saying that in your view, all will be saved?

[@almamiller575]

@@simplerfaith I said nothing about salvation. I said the Bible says the Israelites will NOT return to their land until Jesus returns to take them there. At which time Satan will be bound for a thousand years.

[@simplerfaith]

@@almamiller575 I'm sorry, I interpreted "will be lost" as "will not be saved." What do you mean by the phrase? (I'm not challenging you, I'm just asking to understand your concern.)

[@almamiller575]

@@simplerfaith well you’re correct in that sense I meant not saved. You’re also correct that if they don’t believe they’ll be lost. However my point is that the Bible says that Israel is NOT a place it’s a people who will NOT go back into their land until the Messiah returns and takes them there. At which time Satan will be bound for a thousand years. That causes me to ask the question who are these people that’s occupying so called Israel the so called land? And why are they at war when the scriptures clearly tells us when true Israel is gathered and returned to their land there will be peace. I’m just trying to understand as well.

[@simplerfaith]

Thanks for the thoughtful reply. Which scriptures led you to your belief in this sequence of events?

[@DrunkenSaint420]

I don't believe in religion and definitely not the text as prophecy of things to come. However, since so many people do, I wonder about self fulfilling prophecy.

[@simplerfaith]

Self-fulfilling prophecy is always a looming possibility. We all live by our expectations. Perhaps that's why I feel the need to speak into this. Thanks for listening in.

[@DrunkenSaint420]

@@simplerfaith One thing I am sure of, we are on the side of right. Rock on friend!

[@simplerfaith]

Rocking. :)

[@HolymanofGodSD]

Israel does not believe in Jesus Christ, the 2 Witnesses are Moses and Elijah or the Law and the Prophets ... how are the prophets the church? how is the law still Moses when the law pointed to Christ?

[@simplerfaith]

I have long (and often) considered it as Moses and Elijah/the Law and the Prophets. If Jesus is the fulfillment of those, I'm making the case that Israel and the Church could be seen as representative in their witness of both the Old Covenant and the New. I also take into consideration that God has made the two one (Ephesians 2), so even if they can be seen as two, the witness is actually one unified witness: the Gospel.

[@HolymanofGodSD]

@@simplerfaith Have you considered that Jews hate Jesus Christ and mock Him? they claim Christ was a sorcerer, a bastard child of Mary and a soldier named Pantera and claim Jesus is in hell now burning and covered in semen and excrement, that's in the Talmud, some witness for the law ... We are now under the SPIRIT of the law, not the letter of the law, so you are stuck in OT, and the spirit of Elijah will return in the end times ... I just don't see how the apostate church is Elijah and the unbelieving Jews are Moses, it just sounds silly.

[@stumped463]

Enoch and Elijah are the only 2 that did not see death . I feel it would be those 2 . We must examine all points of view so we don't overlook anything. A reasonable view point in my opinion , for what it's worth. God bless.

[@HolymanofGodSD]

@@stumped463 Enoch? Is that in the Bible? Moses and Elijah were at transfiguration law and prophets does not equate to Israel and tye church. There is only one body under Christ. Dispensationalism is a Jesuit lie.

[@simplerfaith]

@holymanofgodsd that's quite the leap to say that I'm talking about the apostate church and the unbelieving Jews. It sounds like perhaps that's your own commentary about the church and Jews?

[@calledisrael434]

The antiChrist magnifies himself equal to Jesus -the commander of the Host- JESUS - Matt27;37 & call himself by changing his name to who Jesus is - the right hand son[ Benjamin] & God's Gift [Hebrew again- Netanyahu] which adds to 666 in old Hebrew Gematria ....they will cry PEACE ,PEACE but there will be none!.....Shalom....old Messianic Jew

[@sojournsojourntraveler1203]

Being one of the people that grew up as a "Christian" I know know the Fathers Name , my saviors name and do not use false Pagan names any more . The word "in vain" is "l'shav" in Hebrew לשוא meaning "falsely". It is painful to me to hear you use the false names . YHWH Elohim includes Yahshua our savior and the Ruach Ha'Qodesh the holy dedicated spirit. Shalom

[@simplerfaith]

@sojournsojourntraveler1203 I'm sorry it causes you distress. I believe he appreciates your conscientious efforts to call him by the right names, but I'm just as sure "falsely" refers to hypocrisy more than linguistics. To whatever degree any written or spoken code tries to name God's essence, the jots and tittles with their corresponding enunciations are woefully insufficient to do so. Keep doing as your doing, but don't conflate non-Hebrew with pagan. When non-English speaking people pronounce my name funny (Roh-yare), I still know they mean Roger. And when I pronounce Yeshua as Jesus, he knows. That said, I do enjoy the sound of Yeshua over Jesus, but in most settings it frustrates communication.

[@kuckaburasgumtree]

The rapture won’t happen before the tribulation. Scripture says the rapture happens during the tribulation

[@simplerfaith]

Where does it say that? (I know that's one of the legitimate views. I'm just curious which scriptures cause you to be so sure about the timing of it all.)

[@maryshahbazi5996]

Did and does the Jews believe Jesus is the true son of God and is in fact the messiah? Jesus family was Jewish and didn't even believe in him. Doesn't the bible say the true Jews are those God chooses no matter what blood line they are? I think because of some of the Jewish relative to money gain in the USA etc., which in turn give them power in the USA is one of the reasons for envy and dislike. Personally I love all God's creation yet hate all evil no matter where it falls. Only God can know the hearts of human kind and God will destroy evil in the end. I pray that all children worldwide does not suffer and God will protect the innocent no matter what race! Greed and power is the enemy forcing their will upon many of whom some does not want to follow their wicked commands but will be killed if they don't follow orders. Human kind continues to battle within families, society, nations, countries worldwide; even within themselves; all for material things. Flesh dies, but all souls, spirits live eternally in hell or heaven. All will be paid for what they do spiritually whether good or bad; based on freewill. God help the children & innocent of this world. Praise the Heavenly Host, Father Son and the Holy Ghost and may your will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven! Amen

[@simplerfaith]

Yes, the Jews' rejection of Jesus continues to condemn them before God. And there are also other reasons for people to hate them. I mean, they're not more greedy (or whatever) than any other people group. People are bent toward evil, and people hate people. And yes I'm with you. I hate hatred. Praying for peace.

[@scottperine9820]

They were of the house he was bruised in.

[@simplerfaith]

What's that mean?

[@scottperine9820]

I believe it's Mose and Elijah.

[@simplerfaith]

Thanks for the comment. What led you to that conclusion?

[@calledisrael434]

I believe the Last Two Prophets will arrive 2nd half of 2026 a.d. after the man of sin has fjnished his 42 month Authority . He is currently raining fire from heaven on Gaza during the Palestinian Holocaust sadly - Abraham's other children who are entitled to claim the Holy Land equally to Judah[fake Israel-just 1/12th ...2030a.d could be an interesting year ?!?.....Shalom.

[@simplerfaith]

I remember many similar predictions in my lifetime. One will eventually be true. But my concern is that we are ready for Jesus when he returns, and ready to die for him until he returns. This includes not falling into the deceptions and seductions that (I believe) can hide behind interpretations and theories about it all. There is much busyness of thought and agitation around it all, and it robs many of the peace and inner silence of a heart bowed reverently to Jesus Christ as Lord. You mention in another comment about Benjamin Netanyahu and 666. Whether or not there's a correlation there, the true danger is the worship of Humanity (self or other) which I believe is actually the mark of the Beast that is reflected in our thoughts (forehead) and seen in our actions (right hand). kzbin.info/www/bejne/qJ_Vd3ZsZad3qpI

[@calledisrael434]

Roger, Blessings in Yeshu ha Moshiach -HE LIVES & Speaks. Since Bibi-the little horn[son] the baby son-came to power in 1996 -11th king[Dan7;24 'ten kings of a[one] kingdom then another' & 8th head[male of Govt -7th head -Rabin- fatally wounded] I was told by HE who visits this man is my opposite number [Jesus Christ is 999-old Hebrew] who was 8th head as 3 repeat office twice. When he ascended -5 were gone[dead], one is to come- Perez as President years, & one a short while to go -Shamir d.2014 also like a leopard native born Arabic Palestine diverse from All as native king- feet like a bear - parents USSR & roars like a lion - Hebrew & English languages -magnifies himself equal to Jesus - Matthew 27;37- fulfills All Prophecy the Lord revealed to me just a simple OLD Messianic Jew.... they will try to obliterate this & you will have to read through it for Truth .....he has already marked India & China with his TEVA Biotec r/hand micro-chip -see on the Internet....never has one man fulfilled ALL Prophecy.....Baruch Hashem in Yeshu ha Moshiach.....Shalom....old Messiahnic Jew. @@simplerfaith

[@rkersch]

It’s two literal witnesses…..Enoch and Elijah.

[@simplerfaith]

How did you come to that conclusion? And how are you so sure?

[@timeisfluid]

😅 the Jews wrote the damn Bible people what the hell Jesus was a Jew and the gentiles are who offed him

[@simplerfaith]

Well, the Jews arrested and tried Jesus, a fellow Jew, and then they handed him over to the Gentiles to be offed by them. So yeah, he was offed by both the Jews and the Gentiles. Are you replying to the teaching or something else? I'm missing the connection.

[@ldeledgar1763]

What if it's like the Bible says it is? Get a Revelation not an idea. Nuts

[@simplerfaith]

I'm not sure I'm following you. Are you saying there's a difference between a revelation and an idea?

[@sarahlynn4790]

They aren’t

[@simplerfaith]

Who do you think they are and why?

[@sarahlynn4790]

@@simplerfaith they are the two prophets God promised to send in the OT. The judges/deliverers/saviors/governors. They are there you just need to look for them. The end of Obadiah talks about them. Do a biblical word study on “governor.”

[@simplerfaith]

​@@sarahlynn4790 There are generally two credible ways to read Revelation, but no consensus. That's why I try to say "I think" or "I'm speculating." I know that sounds like I haven't studied it, but I really just hope that by demonstrating a more conversational approach to these things, we can learn to stay away from the doctrinal certitude that divides the body of Christ around disputable matters. The helpful conversation allows for different views. So if I explain another view, please don't hear it as me shutting out yours. Generally some people say that Revelation is to be read *literally* (although they would probably still say the beast and dragon are not literal, but symbolic). Others say it is to be read *figuratively* (although they would probably still say the angels and martyrs, etc. are literal). I land in the second camp. My guess is you land in the first? In the first camp, people would say the prophets are literally two people. (Although they wouldn't say they're literally "two olive trees" and "two lampstands," which I find a bit ironic.) Of those who believe they're literally people, some would say they're two resurrected prophets of old. I think the best case for that is Moses and Elijah who Jesus talked to on the Mount of Transfiguration. Others would say that it's two new prophets that come onto the scene, like we see in the pop eschatology of Left Behind, etc. (I can't tell which you're saying it is.) In the second camp where I'm at, people would say the prophets are symbolic. Every time I study it, I'm most satisfied by the interpretation that the two witnesses are "the Old Covenant and the New Covenant." Embodied, we can speak of them as "Israel and the Church." But at the heart of it, it's the OC and NC. If you read the book of Revelation in sections, allowing the "sevens" to divide it (churches, seals, trumpets, plagues), you'll see the same story being told in parallels, and this will become more clear. All that said, if two literal prophets show up on the scene, it won't frustrate my faith at all. And if they don't, I'll be ready for what comes. That's my prayer and my desire in bringing this teaching.

[@sarahlynn4790]

@@simplerfaith Joshua and Zerubbabel were two actual people who were the immediate fulfillment in Zechariah. Proper hermeneutics tells us that there will again be two actual people to fulfill the Revelation prophecy. There is a correct way and an incorrect way of handling scripture. Christ said that His words (the OT and NT) will never fade away (die). So your position is a direct contradiction to scripture in multiple ways.

[@simplerfaith]

@@sarahlynn4790 I have a more thoughtful response, but first, I'm curious who taught you about "proper hermeneutics," and in what context? And where do you land in the literal/figurative continuum with regard to the apocalyptic books?

[@olahellasnews1252]

Are you ok man.

[@simplerfaith]

Who, me? Yep. :)

[@olahellasnews1252]

The Jews had a bad perception

[@simplerfaith]

How so?

[@olahellasnews1252]

@@simplerfaith I had to study the Old and New Testaments for 6 years in a Greek school away from Greece. I have two parts that I have been taught. The first part is as follows: the Old Testament teaches us what not to be, not to sacrifice animals or children, no fornication, not to distribute money in God's house, not to kill, and much more. The second part is more about what you asked, and it has to do with the New Testament, you see my friend, what you now call Israel, had a great leader spiritual and political. This person the Israelis did not accept him , because more than anything else it was for a small group of people who had the greed for money and power, Jesus taught to love and respect and not to lust, the Israelis pushed him aside and this was the end for the Israelis and somehow they disappeared from what you call Israel and in time this gap was filled by Muhammad's teachings. If the Israelis had accepted Jesus' teachings now Israel would have been the capital of the world just as the prophets prophesized, but my dear friend, it is never too late for the Israelis to accept his teachings, and if then and only then the Israelis and the rest of the world will live in peace, with Israel as the spiritual and political capital of the world

[@simplerfaith]

Thanks for clarifying. I see your point, but I personally think that if they would follow Jesus' teachings they would not be concerned about an earthly political kingdom. As followers of the Way, they would love their enemies and do good to those who hate them. They would set their minds on things above, not on earthly things. Thoughts?

[@olahellasnews1252]

@@simplerfaith Then you have payed no attention to how you can achieve a political system through peace, love and justice for all. Then there is a second option, it's happening now it's called let the bodies roll. Don't you love that God gave us a free will to do as we like but in the other hand he also gave us his commandments. Have a Great day.

[@simplerfaith]

@@olahellasnews1252 Of course, there's also a third way option to consider.

[@AdamahChavah]

Here is Wisdom...🔥 Da 2 witnesses are thus... Da Northern kingdom tribe of Israel and da Southern kingdom tribe of Israel... Da awakening has already begun... Pt♊ BARUCH: 2; 30-35...📢🔥 DA Hebrew Holy Bible; mostly speaks in parables and not everyone dat reads it finds understanding...🤔 Our Redeemer also as our LORD God of Yashar'el... He's indeed is @ hand... RECOMPENSE 📢🛸🛸🛸 👁️🪟da big🖼️

[@simplerfaith]

I haven't paid much attention to the apocrypha/deuterocanonical books like Baruch. What tradition has most influenced what you see as the scriptures and how you interpret them?