What if The Villain Was Right | Joker Philosophy

[@JohnDoe-z2r]

Joker: Everyone should feel like I have Batman: No one should feel like I have

[@blueyedevil2117]

My favorite saying by the joker is when he is comforting a child on his birthday after no one had showed up to his party, the kid believed everyone thought he was a freak. To which Joker responds "Everyone is a freak, some people just feel like they have to hide it"

[@Ultriac301]

That's actually true. We are far from perfect. But we have to work every day on our problems and strive for self improvement. Not find an excuse to " escape into madness " and ruin the lives of our fellow brothers and sisters.

[@DenhagueSam]

Some people are just evil. If you ever watch interrogations of killers, especially the younger ones, they either are so detached from morality and their conscience that they will tell you everything as a matter of fact, or (sometimes more scarily) have realized they're different and try to mimic what other people would do to blend in. People aren't blank slates, and they aren't born good. Tragic villains can be more interesting to tell stories about, but there are real monsters and villains that don't need an excuse or a reason to do you harm. I'm still watching, but the beginning has me wanting to clarify for those that want to see the good in everyone: Some people are just evil. There are complexities and nuances, but you can't ignore people when they show you who they are.

[@itamarfainburg]

I agree I mean psychopaths exist right?

[@DenhagueSam]

@@itamarfainburg Exactly, we're all created equal in the eyes of God, but that doesn't mean we are exempt from flaws. Some flaws run to the core and should not be ignored by those who want to survive encountering these especially flawed people. Do not try and find good in the depths of depravity. There might be good there, but it will consume you if you try to find it.

[@emanuelmaldoileacont8253]

​@@itamarfainburgdo you even know what psychopath means?

[@darlalathan6143]

@@emanuelmaldoileacont8253 This is an old-fashioned term for anybody with a mental illness, which in the 1960s came to mean serial killers. The term is currently replaced in therapy by "Antisocial Personality Disorder" and implies a condition in which the patient lacks a conscience, empathy, or fear. It is found in 1-4% of the U.S. population, 4% of executives, and physicians, enabling calm behavior in emergencies, but it may cause relationship problems because the affected person doesn't care if their loved one lives or dies! Most ASPD-affected people are cold-blooded, but peaceful and law-abiding. They base their morals on logic, rather than emotions, as neurotypical people do.

[@jackbluehq6653]

The whole terms of good and evil is all fake if we're really honest with ourselves. We base our morality on what our society tells us we can and can't do. We're told through out our lives that we should never kill or rob people, and if we do we'll face legal consequences. Which is what forms our morality as we grow up into adults to fit the mold of the societys we live in. It's a very interesting topic to behold, how much of our morality is something true to our hearts and how much of it is just us wanting to fit in and not be socially and legally punished? If you asked someone if they'd kill someone over some kind of benefit without any risks of social/legal consequences I'd put down good money in believing that most people deep down would do it. Not that there aren't people who don't truly believe in the morals they share, but our morality and what we do is a lot more effected by the social and legal consequences we're all subjective too then we might like to admit. I know all this is abit different then what we're talking about, but whenever discussing morals this is what I always end up talking about. For me personally I know given the option I would not rob a store or beat a man to death just for the sake of it, but when thinking about the whole picture I can admit when saying that a big reason why I'd never do that is because of the consequences, not just because I'm some purely good guy. And my point in all this is that the term of what's right and wrong, what's good and evil, isn't ever real. We define it in our respected societies. I can't ever relate to a psycopath who has a very selfish mindset and I might see them as evil, but I also realise that my definition of evil is purely based on my experience in my society. And as much as I might think they are a bad person, I also know that at the end of the day it's all subjective and there isn't anything that makes me more in the right then the pysocpath.

[@rustyshackleford9588]

the devil is the most infamous villain, greatest trick he ever pulled; convincing man he doesn't exist.

[@MeanBeanMachine5]

Batman's villain mr freeze is also interesting to analyze. He just wanted to save his wife.

[@LaughLoomy]

It's always my favorite thought. All our little lives we've been convinced that heroes or in this case, Batman. Have been the good ones, but if you REALLY give your deep thoughts into it, Joker is. Some factors being, how he's trying to change the corruption, change Gotham as a whole, while Batman/heroes are trying to stop him from doing so. Take the Dark Knight for example, The Joker himself took out the most powerful and most corrupt people, while Batman wouldn't even get close.

[@connecta]

Eh maybe, he does kill and torture people though, even children. thats evil no matter how you look at it. Batman hurts bad people, but he hurts them hoping it scares them into changing their lives. and at some points will help those same people he hurt as batman as bruce wayne. I definitely dont think joker is a GOOD guy. but he does have very good points and has a good grip of how hypocritical and evil society is. But he himself is still evil.

[@MeanBeanMachine5]

Also it is up to the viewer who's side they are on. Joker's or Batman. In that Dark Knight trilogy by Nolan.

[@MeelatchiDaibukti]

Yes, both Batman and Joker both experienced trauma. Both felt the weight of loss and hardship. Yet, Batman chose to fight for justice. The Joker chose the path of destruction. Agreed. All fine and dandy doc, but.... shall we ignore the billions and gazillions of dollars Bruce Wayne was born in and has inherited? Because it s very easy to have high morals when you ve never been hungry in your life, when you ve never been a pariah, when you never had to go from shitty job to shitty job just to eat. Let s do a thought experiment and imagine someone with a time machine swapped the two at birth. Would Bruce Wayne still fight for justice? Or would he be some two bit car thief or drug dealer? Would Arthur Fleck become an artist and philantropist who s life mission would be to help others?Can someone start a comic on this please?😁 The results would be interesting to say the least.

[@darlalathan6143]

Most poor people obey laws (except vagrancy and loitering) but never hurt anyone. Some rich people, such as Donald Trump commit 34 crimes, including sexual assault, espionage, fraud, etc. The Maxx was a homeless superhero who frequently rescued his social worker from street violence. Lex Luthor was a billionaire supervillain who spent billions of dollars on his monthly "Kill Superman" budget, kidnapped Lois Lane, and Jimmy Olsen, and endangered Metropolis, his hometown! Morality also varies individually.

[@PartyClown-gh4gz]

Bruce had support joker didn't

[@hjhj742]

There are so many rich but still evi, and poor but still good. Their actions makes them good or bad not their environment. If it was by environment being rich would be a virtue.

[@MeelatchiDaibukti]

@@PartyClown-gh4gz A friend told me once how Patrick Bateman from American Psycho is Bruce Wayne if his parents didnt die in that alley. And I still think about that

[@Raptured_and_back]

@@PartyClown-gh4gz Idk how so few people are able to see this, batman had a very good support system.

[@jimmychang1433]

Remind me of the channel horses. Keep the good work up for 6 months or so and i think you will be pleasantly surprised.

[@CHADCONTEXT]

"Evil is not born, it is taught."

[@sharmacs284]

Joker 1 is literally one if not my favorite movie

[@originalSiiiN]

Joker 2 is 9/10 for me ❤

[@FirstLast-lx6iw]

Then Joker 2 came out...

[@Ultriac301]

The only thing it did right was that it made perfectly clear that Joker isn't someone to be admired as a role model.

[@Antthemovieman]

Hated it, had to rant about it. Now that’s how you retcon an amazing original ! 👏

[@Da_doggo104]

@@Ultriac301ah yes by grapeing Joker

[@ravaniphoenix5431]

@@Da_doggo104 That scene is so antithetical to the supposed point of showing him as a monster and someone you shouldn't like in anyway. I felt very sad about him, because in the trial scene prior they were saying aloud how the many abuses he suffered, including the sexual kind, were what made him become a messed up individual. So what does Todd do after? Let's have him suffer that same abuse again! And from whom and what reason? Oh, by the guards that were mostly friendly towards him in all the scene prior to this, and only because he threw some light insults towards them. Maybe, just maybe, it woulda been more understandable if he had commited a crime like, I dunno, somehow managed to go on a killing spree there in the court. But nope. And the fact that THAT is what makes him give up on being the Joker, too (even though it is specifically due to suffering that his identity as the joker is built, so why the fuck wasn't his madness reinforced, instead?)...... it's all awful.

[@johndoh4132]

​@Ultriac301 he never used to be. The way the world is now, he absolutely is. Faced with terminal illness, the best thing you can do is make the world a better place. Do what can't be undone. In this day and age, he is absolutely one to be admired.

[@xdisciple2776x]

Batman also protected those in power who were corrupt. Joker helped bring 🕯️ to the issues. Duality

[@RealDiaFr]

Morality is not subjective, but it's not always the same in every individual. And you can even train a person, or groups of people, or entire countries, to become numb or completely cast a blind eye to morality, at least on some level. But most people, even as children, cannot see something extremely graphic without suffering some, very real, and very physical, reaction to it. If a person sees something particularly brutal or cruel, even a person who was never brought up to have a high standard of morality, they are typically shocked by it. Even Apes if they see something unjustly abused, will often begin to become restless.

[@WenceslasHolec]

Of course, morality is fully subjective and just to think opposite is silly. Similarities among human morals are just accident, because we originate from one society or many similar interconnected ones and share planet and history. Despite that Ugandan magicians have very different morals in compare to members of International company in Kampala, Hindu family originating from Bahasa, Czech from Prague and Moravia. East German and West German. We are far more different to each other, than we usually think. Sometimes a criminal had same morals like you, but suffered trauma and serious experiences changed his code of morals a little bit. It can be a result of anything. Some people are capable to kill and do crime, others would be destroyed from the inside, if they took a live, couldn't change that, someone like you, another human being, is erased from existence and its your doing, despite maybe indirect.

[@RealDiaFr]

@@WenceslasHolec I don't think you understood the point of my comment. It's not to say morality is a fixed thing that doesn't bend. In this video, they hint at this idea that Morality is entirely a societal construct, and suggests that morality could entirely vanish if society simply decides not to teach it. But that is not the case. I find sometimes theorist and pseudo intellectuals go to far beyond what can be proven with every day observations, and begin to basically, in lack of betters words, create fancy sounding words that don't mean anything, and that have no true basis in reality. Such as this idea that Morality is entirely a social construct. These constructs will most certainly shape morality, but morality does not simply vanish, because a society does not teach it. A monkey will react to injustice and cruelty, and will go out of it's way to feed something in need, or to assist another. So will an isolated child that has learned nothing of morality. And so will countless other animals you see in the animal kingdom. Immorality and cruelty exists naturally, but so does morality. Morality is not an abstract idea created by humans, it is a natural observable thing that exists within the world. And any theorist that claims otherwise is just doing what I stated above.

[@WenceslasHolec]

@@RealDiaFr I understand and even half agree with you. It's a great theory and possibly right. I have thought the same. There is maybe one or few things, I would add, if I may? I have started with description of another theory as a starting point and point of contrast. You shall understand, that I have spent many years, decades, doing metaphysics and studying the existence from this area, so forgive me, if it would be confusing or crazy, I can explain all. It's just addition to understand it fully and no, It's based on practical experiments more than anything. I am afraid, it could be too long.

[@masterpep7218]

Spot on. The narrator seems to be confused or simply has a superficial level of thinking. His other video on Sisyphus is the same fallacy train.

[@ravaniphoenix5431]

Religion does that very effectively by brainwashing people into thinking God is always good and humanity is born already sinful and evil due to original sin, therefore it is completely justified, moral and deserved for babies to die of cancer, for children to die starving in poverty, and any other atrocity you may perceive and attribute to God as the perpretator and put the fault in humanity, just because (if you don't attribute it to the devil or demons anyway, it's all about throwing accountability away to someone else). This only being about the christian faith, of course. But there's other religions out there that train people into thinking something is good when it very much isn't. Such as the other sect of abrahamic faith, Islam. Women are basically lesser people in the faith. Basically slaves to men. Or how Palestine vs Israel is a never ending conflict throughout the ages, seen as completely justified and moral to do by those involved due to, of course, being fought in name of their religion.

[@shaalis]

"Justic". However... great video !

[@Blandwagon]

5:52 ah justic

[@allenreevearrows2553]

😂🎉

[@ShockwaveFPSStudios]

Well, Arthur Flick’s Joker a completely different version of the character. An Elseworldly version of Joker who becomes evil because society hates him. Other Jokers are usually evil mostly because they had a bad day or because of personal reasons. Most Jokers like Jack Napier’s Joker was a criminal who killed Bruce Wayne’s Parents who fell into a vast full of toxic waste at Ace Chemicals by Batman. John Doe’s Joker was Bruce Wayne’s friend who, depending on your choices & outcome, becomes the Joker after feeling betrayed by Bruce in some way (Whether it’s a vigilante who slowly becomes mad, or just suddenly becomes evil after getting beaten to the face by his friend). And don’t get me started with the Valeska Twins. Either way, each Joker would later become unreliable narrators who would pretty much trick people into doing their own bedding, and become manipulated pawns of the Joker. Which is how Harley Quinn became Joker’s lackey before she realized how abusive he is in most continuities.

[@JustSomeGuy-mp7fb]

Ehh, it depends on the storyline you’re following concerning the joker. Joaquin Phoenix’s Joker, yeah, I guess. You see common concepts across different world religions and cultures that have evolved to foster civilized society. Law is an example of common morality. Hammurabi had a code. Brehon law governed the British isles. I doubt those cultures ever significantly intersected during the formulation of these ideas but there is probably some overlap in concepts. Brehon law shunned an eye for an eye but there’s the compensation aspect which overlaps. Compensation law is in the Bible but I doubt those cultures interacted with the Celts around the seventh century so there is some sort of innate order to societies which can be an argument for some sort of univeral morality. Maybe it’s just the interpretation that is different.

[@carltonpenaloza1395]

Bruce Wayne was also extremely handsome and athletic and rich. Those had a significant impact on him taking his route as hero vs anti hero

[@originalSiiiN]

💯💯🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@MeanBeanMachine5]

I like two-face in the Batman animated cartoon for this reason. He really feels like he could be someone. Anyone. Wheres the mivies potrayel Gotham City in chaos under neo liberalism and Batman as a main character.

[@masterpep7218]

Just like in the Sisyphus video, the creator of this seems to be confused in terms and contradicting himself: stating that the hero and the villain are not that much different BECAUSE they are both the product of Gotham, makes zero sense,as that is irrelevant. It is the end result that matters, the choices they make. One can choose to be the hero or the villain, there is no victimhood just because society is bad or good. Bruce Wayne exactly chose to be the hero because of all the evil he saw. Gotham is not our world either: it is scanted on purpose to portray a sick world on purpose, where there is much more evil than in our world. Gotham is shown as a dark place on purpose, almost all the time. Because this way it is easier to create a super villain that is credible in that world, just like a super hero to face such a dark and lost place. Our world is not a Hollywood set however. Anyone choosing evil is doing that consciously. The social contract may be flawed, but morality is NOT a social contract, as the narrator believes it to be. Morality stems from our very nature as humans and we all know the difference between right be wrong. We just do not always choose right, due to our weaknesses and ignorance. I have the feeling the narrator wants to blame society and assumes it is almost trivial how we respond to our world as it is not our choice. He does state half truths though by spreaking of choice, thus contradicting himself. On purpose? I have the feeling this series has some strange agenda. Or the writer is just extremely confused on morality and meaning if life. Nietzsche was just someone with a theory, often flawed and in general questionable. Don't take his opinion as the truth, just as an opinion.

[@ohad6827]

nice

[@adifitrahalfaridzi]

It's almost like a narcicist and an empath. Two side of the same coin.

[@Ultriac301]

Those Hollywood weirdos who are ashamed of the source material and have no love or care for the great comic book/cartoon characters of our childhood better change their ways or make other works of fiction. The Joker had never been a philosophical anarchist, a lap dancing tattoo artist, or in this case an autistic incel! The only good live action adaptations of his are Cesar Romero's ( minus the moustache ), Jack Nicholson's and Cameron Monaghan's. Fuse them together and you have the " Clown Prince Of Crime " from the comic books.

[@Ultimateleatherr]

Batman was rich😂

[@Seasonal-Shadow_4674]

I think Heath Ledger's Joker would have been a better analysis

[@originalSiiiN]

why

[@GNTHEGUNS]

You are the problem.

[@Seasonal-Shadow_4674]

@@GNTHEGUNS not as much as you are

[@GNTHEGUNS]

@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 we'll see.

[@Ultriac301]

This bad joke has to stop...YESTERDAY! Those cinematic versions are butchered adaptations of Saturday morning cartoon characters who are unfortunate enough to have been altered almost completely for indocrination and even straight up brainwashing of the masses.

[@hordakprime6172]

I've often believed a good twist on the revelation that Joker's family is alive and well in Three Jokers would be if it came out Joker was actually abused by his wife and for his wife to have been the true mastermind behind the Red Hood gang. I'm imagining something like Netflix's The Frog where his wife after learning he's coming kills her son to spite Joker and Joker spends an entire arc hunting her while she kills everyone unlucky enough to cross her path.

[@jokettedj]

Thank you for this video just as the second pile of shit is released, trying to undo this message. So thanks for honuring and re-instating it at this exact time.

[@MelancoliaI]

agreed

[@originalSiiiN]

Joker 2 is 9/10 for me ❤

[@unyieldingrage1389]

Joker 2 does not exist 💯❤️

[@G55544]

What joker 2???

[@knorelationknorelation4159]

Wtf is the Joker 2…

[@ivanhunter6492]

Then *that Movie* came out

[@originalSiiiN]

?

[@sagarganeshj1419]

Bro loading this the day joker 2 released 😢 ,spoiler See the movie

[@KnightfallStorm1337]

bro cant compare the joker to other villains like this! Buddy watched the fist Joker and glazed all over it! homie haven't seen The Dark Knight Trilogy!

[@originalSiiiN]

hush.

[@KnightfallStorm1337]

@@originalSiiiN Hush would be a great villain to see on the big screen.

[@originalSiiiN]

@@KnightfallStorm1337 shut your mouth.

[@KnightfallStorm1337]

@@originalSiiiN??? why you so mad

[@originalSiiiN]

@@KnightfallStorm1337 mad? i was simply correcting your confused mind 🙏🏻