"What if they're Gay not Trans?" | a Genspect Panel

One of three panels I moderated for the ‪@Genspect‬ "Bigger Picture" conference in Killarney, Ireland. Angus Fox, Ritchie Herron, Iseult White, Jet London, and Malcolm Clark discuss the tensions between homosexuality and gender ideology.
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[@davidoconnell1173]

The mainstream media needs to be held to account. Here in Australia journalists have abandoned children to this appalling fate.

[@NinjaKittyBonks]

@David O'Connell ... Ah, another Aussie to the channel. The Kitty shall from this point forward, refer to you as Thumper #8 🦘, should we meet in chat. Do drop by and give a 🦘head bonk to The Kitty 🐈‍⬛. I only ask that you allow me to put on my ⛑& 🦺, as the 🦘packs quite the head bonk for us kitties 😿

[@lefantomer]

Everyone who uses the fake "pronouns" should be held to account. Do not allow that to pass a single time without informing the offender that A is A, 2+2=4, and the pronouns of a man in a dress with fake boobs sewn on is still "he", "his" and "bozo".

[@scorpina69]

@@NinjaKittyBonks I'm afraid I do not quite follow your sense of humour and have no idea what it all means. Noticed that in the live chat too. A bit distracting to be honest...

[@scorpina69]

This appalling fate is becoming more and more visible around me. I've observed several teen girls over the years while walking dogs, looking withdrawn, not making eye contact, even while patting my dogs, never looking me in the eyes, very odd and uncomfortable. Not even during limited lock down walks. I always saw the same three teens. The lo and behold I noticed over last Summer, they'd all had their breasts removed. I'm also in touch with grandmothers who's grand kids are medically transitioning. Two have just turned 11, girls, now on puberty blockers. It's literally everywhere!

[@NinjaKittyBonks]

@@scorpina69 .. I'm sorry 😿I have a silly sense of humor, but it may not be for you. It is not my intention to be distracting, but If I am, please do not pay any attention to me. I don't mean that sarcastically or anything, I am being sincere 🐱🐈‍⬛head bonk

[@scorpina69]

Jet explains very well how puberty blockers suppressed her sexuality. And how testosterone led to vaginal atrophy. I applaud her for coming out as a lesbian and how being on blockers and testosterone ruined years of her juvenile life! This is what 'transing away the gays' looks and sounds like. Keep speaking out about this Jet, you're doing important work! #SaveTheTomboys !!!! Great panel discussion. Thank you for posting Benjamin!

[@scorpina69]

And thank you for being an excellent panel facilitator Benjamin!

[@scorpina69]

The Netherlands is a progressive country, there was a thriving lesbian and women's liberation movement that existed for three decades, from late 1960s until well into the 1990s but it was invaded by 'male feminists' and transsexuals slowly but surely. I witnessed the demise of women's cafes, bookshops, bars, dance events, bands, health centres etc etc. I can't believe how this thriving women's community vanished. And that someone like Jet could not find a supportive lesbian community to support her coming out. LGBTIQ+ community is not inclusive of everyone. Lesbians have specific needs and dynamics that need to be respected and accepted and not morphed into the alphabet soup!

[@BenjaminABoyce]

These panels were a very important moment for me, where I felt I found my place in the world-as a facilitator

[@samuelboucher1454]

@@BenjaminABoyce You did great! Just sit up straight. Your posture was making my back hurt.

[@robinpesek3657]

@@BenjaminABoyce Wow. That is Big. Congratulations for you finding your place. ♥️

[@christopherjones67]

As a heterosexual male i would view the trans ideology as an attack to a point on gay men and lesbians. Sexual orientation is different to gender dysphoria.

[@jeice13]

Do you have any idea what "gender identity" means instead?

[@jeice13]

I ask because that kind of seems like a cop out to avoid "invalidating" people despite their incoherent claims

[@christopherjones67]

@@jeice13 Gender identity? You're either male or female. Gender dysphoria means your body doesn't conform to how you perceive yourself. Your still a biological male or female however but are free to live your life in whichever way you choose. Especially if there would be an impact on the individual's mental health.

[@christopherjones67]

@@jeice13 Hello! You've messaged again. Your second comment I don't get. With due respect please elucidate.

[@jeice13]

@@christopherjones67 well you said sexual orientation and gender dysphoria are seperate things and people who believe in gender dysphoria tend to be sensitive about disagreement and questions

[@ladyabstinencelevain8696]

Why are we telling kids there is something wrong with them and putting them in boxes . Instead of learning to love yourself as you are

[@chrystalnicole9461]

amen sister!!

[@jacobj3933]

It's not about "loving themselves". The matter is that we've allowed what it even means to be a man and woman to be torn down so much to the point that we have a good chunk of society who are extremely confused on such things to the point that they feel like they have to physically change their bodies in order to fit into a mismatched poor interpretation of what they think they're supposed to be externally, a lot of it having to be due to those who already promote tr°nsitioning pressuring young adults and even parents to coerce their child to tr°nsition. Already it's common knowledge that said "medical experts" are feeding parents false information, in this case a false accusation that if they don't force their child to tr°nsition, then the child will kill themselves. A claim that has no substantial evidence whatsoever! It's a complete lie!

[@midmomom2490]

@@jacobj3933100%

[@normanicole4714]

When God made me they made a trans person. I realized this while still a minor. The only person saying there is something wrong with me is conservatives.

[@davidsprouse151]

It's when jouissance is translated as fetish. They're like frogs in a pot.

[@pathacker4963]

Fact is you can’t change your sex. No matter what is being advertised today.

[@AndyJarman]

And WPATH would agree with you, that's how they do it. Sex and gender are different and they are cosmetically changing your appearance to match the body your gender says you should have. It's John Money's woowoo transhuman idea that the body is a meat suit for carrying your "essence" around in. Infinitely malleable and just an appendage to the 'real' you. And that is exactly how it fits in with Wokism. The Marxist socialists always maintained that we all labour within a "false consciousness'. Karl Marx referred to this as the 'neo-opiate of the masses' distracting them from Liberation (capital L). When the great Liberation failed to materialise they started isentifying other neo opiates to justify the failure. So they looked to materialism as the great evil and started dismantling and subverting societal norms to 'Liberate' first women, then gays, then lesbians, now pædophiles and autogynophiles, and psychologists from their neo-narcotic delusional slumber. It's all batshit crazy, but very attractive to people wanting to 'progress' and 'Liberate' by instruction and destruction.

[@janebennetto5655]

What Angus said about ‘love’ really struck a note with me and made me even sadder with the situation at the moment. I agree ‘the adults in the room’ need to be the more vociferous and ADULT!!!!!

[@pythosdegothos6181]

It is too bad it was followed up by the person that brought up the importance of sexuality....in the presence of two people that likely will not experience sexuality.

[@robinthrush9672]

I'm straight and was obviously male as a kid. However, I did play dolls with the girls (I played with everyone), acted out, and tried to go by my middle name (which is often viewed more femininely); so I'm sure I'd have been pushed to non-binary/trans if I was in elementary these days. I was very susceptible to doing what I was told to by authority figures.

[@pinklady7184]

I am a straight, biological woman. As a child, I was a tomboy. I climbed trees, caught worms, played with brinks, not dolls. In school, I excelled in maths, technical drawing, etc, stuff that boys loved and girls hated. Today, I am still a woman and a heterosexual.

[@churrothiev8387]

​@@pinklady7184same. I just turned out bi instead 😊

[@davidsprouse151]

This type of hypothetical isn't very constructive. How are your experiences applicable to everyone? You'd have to test that theory. The jury's still out on this but the establishment did the same thing to gay people years ago, calling it psychopathology and then basically...can I say it...gaslight them. It's almost like the cure is worse than the supposed disease. I don't understand it and as I've heard it said, they don't want menbers of the straight white male patriarchy with savior complexes sweeping in to save them,. brilliant! (?)

[@davidsprouse151]

I have noticed around here (PACNW) an enormous number of people employed in the business that are idealogically driven (which can turn your unconscious into a useful idiot). East coast seems to have their stuff more together. I don't know which set of circumstances has better outcomes or even how you'd measure that.

[@JMBBrasil]

I was a tomboy, bullied all my student life, I thought I was bisexual for a long time, now I know I’m straight. And I’m sure I would’ve been a victim of the gender ideologues if I was a kid today…because there are no safe guards anymore!

[@mummymantras]

Same! I'm an old lady now. Married and with kids of my own. But I was such a tomboy when I was a kid in the 70s. And even when I was older, I didn't like girly things like dressing up or wearing makeup. But I found an amazing man who loved me for who I was. And I have two wonderful kids who love me for the mum I am. Now, I have one daughter who is gay and one who is straight. And they given me a wonderful daughter-in-law and a wonderful son-in-law. And several amazing grandchildren between them. People grow and change and find their own happiness.

[@rosablume4346]

Another ex tomboy here. What if you grow up and still do not feel like dabbling in makeup and frilly things, would that make me a tom-man 😉? Married a guy, we have kids, I still love tools, gardening, building things…. So stuff all the “gender expectations up yours“ On top I happend to grow very tall with lang arms, so mostly I wear menˋs trekking clothes because the women‘s stuff does not fit me… so that makes me a woman with a closet full of trekking clothes and jeans😊

[@trippinggauntlet4520]

Thanks for hosting such a passionate panel.

[@mynx6969]

Another awesome , open, honest and informative panel . Thanks BB & the panelists ❤❤❤

[@N0die]

I’m with Ritchie here @13:59 The concept of “Transition” is farcical & btw in 2011; WPATH Version 7 recommended *Affirming Care The safeguards were removed

[@Gingerblaze]

@@N0die in version 8, minimum age reccomendation was removed.

[@NinjaKittyBonks]

@@Gingerblaze & @نادیا نوری ... Yes. The trans activist cult is EVIL! They are LITERALLY parasites, that require a host, because it is impossible to reproduce a trans person. They are like a species who is aware it will become extinct, if it does not build up its population. This idea of a tri-nary or quad-nary (if they include "non-binary") species WILL fail, because they cannot reproduce biologically.

[@scorpina69]

@@N0die And now the ethics pages are removed, and eunuchs proposed as another protected identity.

[@normanicole4714]

How is it honest when 99 percent of people who take this care say it made their lives better? It's cherry picker examples to give people a false impression of the reality of trans care.

[@Krinsta1]

Ritchie is completely right. Everyone should be more compassionate toward each other.

[@FUToob]

This is a conversation that needs repeating daily, on every platform. I appreciate it. Thanks B. Boyce, and the panel.

[@scorpina69]

Share!

[@Knuck_Knucks]

Fine panel. Thank you for sharing everyone. 🐿

[@camille11ize]

Im praing for you Richy. I been following your story and praying for you. I think your a good person who's been through a lot and think you will find love someday. God Bless you.

[@rensha8635]

I loved that heart wrenching speech by the gentleman next to Benjamin Boyce. About having a loving relationship and a long term future with another person. Having the chances of that diminished by gender transitioning. ❤

[@BenjaminABoyce]

Alasdair is a wonderful man: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i4vUfoV6oJVoiLM

[@clairhonnor6211]

This is my argument when responding to claims of ' conversion therapy. Transing out the gay.

[@realolivertwisted]

💯 imagine thinking that MEDICAL INTERVENTION for “deviant behavior” isn’t conversion therapy.

[@burtcolbert9900]

This is one of the best panels I have heard. Honestly, representing the Transitioners. Hearing your stories and the experiences on a whole Nother level with none other have expressed for me yet. Thank you all and I appreciate you all even for your journey.

[@miikkii55]

A very important discussion… praying that many closed minds open up to truth. Everyone should share this.

[@hrtdinasaurette3020]

I’m only half way through here, so maybe commenting too soon. But, as 50+ late diagnosed autistic person, it feels that young autistic folk are also being caught up in/pulled into this horrible situation.

[@zenbumblebee]

So glad Benjamin finally escaped his dark cupboard.

[@AndyJarman]

I started watching BB when he was a dismembered head in a funny hat with a weird swirling green screen projection where the rest of him should be. The broom cupboard phase was a relief after that. Probably safer for him too - was worried he was losing it at one stage. The whole body viewed in profile thing is taking some getting used to. Waiting for fashion tips in the comments.

[@patriceschroeder6396]

Coercion & Conditioning do not equal Consent. First do no harm…shame on those surgeons who do not require several years of mental health therapy - to work on the existing trauma, PTSD, depression, bipolar and other mental health conditions before they cut! In a society full of quick fixes, and a pill for everything- sometimes time and a support in a thoughtful path to maturation can be the best healing medicine. Like all thing the journey can be challenging- but overcoming the struggles builds strength and grounding.

[@robinwatkins8528]

Angus put it beautifully and perfectly.

[@rachelbassett4942]

Angus spot regards to love and making such drastic changes to a healthy body, definitely reduces opportunity for love x

[@rachelledays9881]

It seems easier for kids with gender dysphoria to get hormone therapy, than it is for women going through menopause. My doctor wouldn't prescribe me hormones for menopause because there might be a slight risk of breast cancer. It's just wrong.

[@JMBBrasil]

Let menopause happen. Don’t take hormones. Go the natures way.

[@normanicole4714]

Trans kids who have access to medical transition if they want it have a way lower suicide rate by far then trans kids who don't. These kids are cherry picker examples that are 1 in 1000. That's why it's allowed.

[@silentforest2894]

These recordings from the conference are fantastic, I’m really enjoying them. Thanks for uploading!

[@robinpesek3657]

Oh my God the pain. I am so sorry for all of the suffering.

[@BeneathTheFoogyDew]

Tl;Dr it is okay to be different, despite what gender ideologues may wish to infer. Im cutrently reading "Material Girls" by Kathleen Stock, in that book she speaks of this point throughout. That some of this trans rhetoric is directly influencing incongruity. And because it centres wholely on a fix for "feeling" different. Some of the most different feeling people will grow up to be homosxul adults. Its had me reflecting. Though I'm not a lesbian, I was more typically a boy in behavior as a child. I likely have ADHD, went to child psychs and had help through school but no diagnosis, and have asked myself for a long time "what was wrong with me?". I remember sitting in a computer lab at 13 and googling personality disorders because I was convinced I had one. If I was that kid today, I fear for who drs would have tried to convince me to be. By the time a lot of this stuff had come into popular internet, I was 16 and puberty had been gradually making me a woman and I finally had many friends who were girls so I was insolated from falling into gender queer internet land. I feel for the gender non comforming children and teens and the mentally ill of both demos, they are getting a message that they feel insecure and terrible about themselves because of gender "misalignment" and that they must align it or they will inevitably die. One of the most incedious components, of gender ideology, is this war on the different. Boyce you a wonderful man and I commend Genspect for holding this conference and their future rational gender work. Its important, letting children and parents know that there is no reason to immediately pathologise feeling different .

[@normanicole4714]

There are truly trans people. They are a demographic not an ideology no matter how much armchair phycology you assert at them.

[@Gingerblaze]

Kudos to Ritchie. Really appreciate everything he said.

[@kp6541]

God bless Benjamin Boyce.

[@cestmoi4532]

This conversation is such a rewarding listen. Thank you so much for sharing your stories and your ideas. ❤

[@teejarado5543]

THAT. WAS. SPECTACULAR! I wish Joe Biden would watch this.

[@lolalaise4530]

Very true what richie said about people often saying they would have transitioned as kids if it was a thing back then but they wouldn’t now as adults whereas he did as an adult before all the gender stuff so clearly it’s something deeper going on.

[@RWorley3sl]

There are true transgender people: always has been. But transitioning after puberty regardless of availability with safe guards shows the true number of trans people. In Russia thry force transition so people won't be gay. So in some places they are erasing gay people.

[@Gingerblaze]

Cultural influence is powerful. The vast majority of trans identifying ppl who transition as adults are otherwise straight men. Except in cultures (or homes) where being homosexual is not acceptable. In those environments there is a larger portion of HSTS ppl.

[@KH-aug]

We shouldn't forget though that age 24/25 is, in terms of brain development, the end of childhood or very beginning of adulthood. Give ppl til even just 30 (better yet, 35 -- best yet, at least 50, or never) and many many more will by then have thought better of it.

[@churrothiev8387]

One thing that i wish people touch on is, the majority of people nowadays use transitioning as a cop-out solution because they at one point feel uncomfortable with the sex they were born with. But being uncomfortable with your birth sex shouldn't mean you'd align with the opposite sex. That's fallacy.

[@rosemoon8072]

if it weren't for all these labels maybe people could just BE who they are !!!! .. and 'diagnosis' is like a spell doctors can cast on people. We all feel that change will make us happier, when we are unhappy with our circumstances in one way or another, and that is painful. But as someone said - WHEREVER YOU GO < THERE YOU ARE !" anyone who tells you anything else is lying

[@LusciousTwinkle]

I too fear for my younger self. My mother insisted on cutting my hair short. I was skinny...tall... Straight up and down... I wore trousers except at school. I had no feminine identity of my own. I was a tom boy. Transitioning for women sounds miserable. I hope we see a resurgence in tomboys etc and androgyny in particular. As for me i left home and became a GODDESS.... A model for artists who wanted a curvy feminine Pre-Raphaelite type and i was happy! I can still change a tyre and tile a floor though....

[@susantempleton5882]

I would like this 100 times if I could

[@nikkymeyrick-zr1rh]

That's what's so frightening about the current trans ideology, I would of been transitioned😢

[@mr.mclibtard5015]

Most of us would have

[@thaijose1]

Puberty bloques is just other conversion therapy.

[@ooosh1]

What Angus says about love is so true. It's heartbreaking

[@Somegirl51]

Yes, love is all that matters

[@herecomesthesun21]

Thank you Angus Fox for saying what you said. It was so beautiful, sad and absolutely true. Why are we talking so little about this these days? Real love, human vulnerability and what people actually deeply need.

[@kathrineici9811]

I still think the constant infections, repressed immune system, and underdeveloped vital organs are a way bigger problem than “no orgasm/sexuality” I don’t have a sexuality and I manage just fine, because my vital organs are also fine

[@mr.mclibtard5015]

Well if you're OK with never having an orgasm so should everyone else 🙄 please

[@kathrineici9811]

@@mr.mclibtard5015 I’m just pointing out that functional organs are needed for survival and orgasms are not. Puberty blockers stop all organs and bones from developing correctly, they do permanent damage that can’t be reversed, and we’re only just starting to hear people talk about what they have to deal with because they have underdeveloped kidneys, livers, and hearts while also developing osteoporosis at incredibly young ages.

[@angelaratzay9034]

Im a straight 80ies old female. Thank this pannel for 😮 forward with so much ivnformation. I hope young people will watch this and learn from it also the medical proffession must stom butchering kids.let theyoung grow up then make an educated decision the knife must always be the last resort.i hope this young pannel find happines alonng the way Im sure you will help a lot of confused young ones

[@lexilang5011]

Alasdair is the most incredible guest who I have ever seen on your show. I can’t get enough of his words. ❤

[@DustyMasterson-ct4cj]

Thanks for this. Very interesting what Angus says about liable out miss out on love. Also what Jet says about testosterone suppressing her sexuality. Dusty

[@annlouise8909]

Excellent. Thank you.

[@annlouise8909]

and yes, especially in Canada, speak up, speak out. Canada has it seriously wrong. Will the sleeping bear awaken?

[@Moonninja420]

2:00 outstandingly well said. 6:22 another great point

[@tracys3096]

Great panel. Thank you all.

[@helenablavatsky9136]

No one should have to bump uglies with Sam Smith.

[@mynx6969]

So freaking true 😂😂❤

[@aviewoftown]

Great talk.

[@Somegirl51]

This enrages me! Why are we doing this to our youth?

[@Gingerblaze]

Amongst many possible horrifying answers, the most chilling may be, because we are too "polite"

[@FUToob]

They want a bigger dating pool and voting block.

[@Somegirl51]

Human Crimes. Simple

[@suzannehawkins383]

ohh, this should be interesting! I'm gay, not trans. I'm a seventy year old woman. when I was 9 or 10 I wanted to be a boy... so badly! I would go to bed every night and pray that I would wake up a boy. that went on for a year. then I just forgot about it. Life went on, I got married at 19 cuz it was expected, got pregnant immediately; the marriage lasted 6 months as he was physically abusive. in my thirties I realized that I was attracted to other women. I knew I wasnt comfortable with men, was sexually abused for years by my grandfather. It was during therapy for that abuse that I began to consider my sexual preference. I feel very fortunate that my short period of gender dysphoria happened so long ago. Had it happened now, and I had told my parents (I would never had told my parents!!), they would have felt obliged as parents to put me on the path for transition. and I would have just gone along because 'my parents knew best'. I am convinced that a great number of people transitioning are indeed gay, not trans.

[@nickypiccallo]

Excuse me, I have no “ick” with gays/lesbians, gayness has been a sexual trait in mammals (ask a farmer = me) is just a part of how we tick, please do not assume heterosexuals are all against homosexuality, two out of my six close friends are gay. My dear departed uncle was born biologically female and sometime in 1920’s changed her name and dressed to look like a male. She was actually gay but would have been condemned + imprisoned for such so chose to look like a guy. My Uncle was the best babysitter, gentle + loving unlike his sister my Aunt who was all sensible shoes and tweed skirts, hated girls, a teacher and matron @ an elite private boarding school for boys in U.K whom had issues unaddressed? It seems the box ticking pre-1960’s that hunted + haunted my Aunt + Uncle has returned 360 degrees with box 📦- ☑ing vengeance! ❤👵🏻🇬🇧

[@ron5977]

"What if they're Gay not Trans?" I've ask myself that question and other people over and over. Knowing the difference is the most important thing. Most straight parents with a gay child has no idea what the difference is that's where the problem starts. It makes all the difference

[@firesong83]

I am 75 yo and in 1969 I was forced to undergo aversion therapy using electroshock and emetics. I relate so much to what these people are saying.

[@EmmettMetier-rm7mb]

I'm a millennial, I'm an identified butch dyke that has undergone top surgery and takes testosterone. I really respect where Iseult and Malcolm come from, but I wish they would spend more time actually talking to people like me and many of my friends who have also transitioned. We still very much see ourselves in relationship to gay and lesbian identity, and I'm really blessed that I have been able to connect with older butch women who have not transitioned, they understand me and know we come from the same place. I'm for the most part read as a male, but I find my masculinity much more connected to female masculinity rather trying to par myself up with heteronormative masculinity. I spent so many years mulling over transition, and I made the right decision. I really wish older gay people who are disturbed by younger people transitioning knew that so many of us have such nuanced relationships with gender.

[@BenjaminABoyce]

There are many more people whose experience is necessary to include, which is why I have attempted (with greater or lesser degrees of success) to create a map of the territory via interviews. If you would like to join me or know someone who can add your perspective, do reach out [e-mail]

[@azimuth5620]

the thing is, a "nuanced relationship with gender" has nothing at all to do with being gay/lesbian/bi, and gender politics have nothing to do with the rights of the LGB community or the fight we have to keep those rights. In fact, the transgender community is hurting the LGB community and they don't seem to care at all about it.

[@mr.mclibtard5015]

Your kind already dominant the conversation, kick rocks

[@what9009]

So basically you are a feminine straight man.

[@jabeles1]

One way you know people are not radical gender activists is that they still have a sense of humor. ❤

[@JMBBrasil]

They are depriving people of romantic relationships but not of Love. Not from His Love.

[@bee-eu6cg]

The bad influence of susie green and mermaids can never be overlooked. Stonewall and mermaids should be shut down.

[@adamcampbellart]

What if they’re traumatized not gay?

[@BoardroomBuddha]

I agree with the woman who mentioned the "ick-factor". I think a lot of parents would be happier to have a child with a "medical issue" like transgenderism than a child who actually chooses to engage in "sinful" acts like homosexuality. It's the Iranian solution to homosexuality that has come to the West... And ironically, it is our strict view of gender that is acerbating the problem.

[@nickmagrick7702]

14:00 I like what this guy had to say

[@Albundyhomer]

Benjamin, in Scotland a Lassie is a girl. Lassieboy is a Girlyboy, a derogatory term intended to shame or humiliate.

[@BenjaminABoyce]

I know that. If I was feigning ignorance it was for comedic effect. And or to suggest sissyboy as the American equivalent.

[@mr.mclibtard5015]

Someone got triggered

[@betspath]

I’m very confused. I get lost in who is man, woman, transgender, de transgender, lesbian, homosexual, on & on. I just know there are two biological genders. There are so many options now made by those who searching for an identity. It’s sad.

[@joanr3189]

First, not everyone is fascinated by how you see your sexuality. Is there anything else that makes you interesting?

[@tildoyagins7931]

One of the biggest lies we tell in the modern world is that there are "Adults in the room." There is no room and the adults are not in. The parentified appeal to mother and father is actually just an appeal to a state that doesnt have the capacity, the experience, or the bare ability to be either of those people. Stop using that term, it is a lie.

[@Literallyarealhuman]

Hormones literally control your organs how can we play these games.

[@marcielynn4886]

Convert them all!

[@irenalovesart4064]

Listening to the female detrans ...This makes me think about how there's new science that the pill (which is external hormones) changes who women are attracted to.

[@j.e.6372]

Recently there has been a larger study that basically disproves the finding that birth control changes who women are attracted to, actually.

[@sharonmontano4924]

Estrogen in trans context is different than naturally occurring estrogen

[@glennmitchell9107]

If potential trans children need someone to tell them that being gay or lesbian is normal, for them, then who should be doing the telling? Their parents, their teachers, their peers, their predators, their doctors, Hollywood, fashion magazines, talk shows, who? Who shouldn't be involved in the telling?

[@tinafremlin7910]

Why are we even thinking of this. Hes saying he's a hero i hope he is loves us

[@lilmoi8820]

I love these people so much Save the kids.

[@benedixtify]

"Crap allies": forgive people for their misunderstanding, and educate people? They're crap if they won't adjust in the face of new information. No?

[@normanicole4714]

We have data on the regret rates for this carem it's very low as these things go. As where trans people who go through a disphoric puberty regret it for the rest of their lives. W serroius conversation about making sure this care does not go to the wrong people is acknowledging the reality that it helps most people who take it and needs to be there for them. if you can't engage with that reality then you are not interested in protecting anyone.

[@shirleybriggs1879]

6:06 Brilliant point by Malcolm about puberty blockers depriving boys of their physical growth in puberty which gives them strength against bullying. Presumably applies to a lesser degree to girls?

[@staninjapan07]

Though there was much I did not understand here, and I do not see that as a problem, thank you to all involved who, I assume, just spoke honestly about their experiences. Honesty is about as much as we can reasonably expect from anyone. As a boy, I found the idea of gay men (or boys) abhorrent. I equated it with perversion and a desire to get one's hands on any man or boy possible. As a late teen, many years ago now, I learned that gay did not equate to perversion. It seems to me that the current trend toward "making" gay/lesbian youngsters trans is much, much more damaging to us all, long-term, than my (ill-conceived) teen-aged idea that gay (I had never considered lesbian) equated to perversion. Granted, I am one man seeing the world through only my own eyes, and it may be that I still do not understand, but in a lads' way, a world half-filled with happy, healthy gays and lesbians, who know their own thoughts and desires and just live an honest life, is by far preferable to the clinics doing the current round of conversion therapy. Anyway, thank you to all who took part in order to help us all understand.

[@gregseewald2161]

Trans 'wannabe's' are more correctly 'In Trans' individuals. 'In Trans' of course, is short for 'In Transition', which is the closest thing to 'Trans' these people could ever hope to achieve.

[@josueveguilla9069]

Fun Fact: Gay literally means Happy.

[@j_freed]

🐬 < just a happy shark. He's cool.

[@Anne_Onymous]

Not anymore

[@binghamguevara6814]

Gay meant happy, then changed to homosexual. Lesbian comes from an island. Why does an island define a sexuality?

[@ladysudaandthegoddessmorri3217]

@@binghamguevara6814 Sappho the Greek poetess, was Lesbian and she lived on the Isle of Lesbos. I was reading about it a while back. Hence the term ' Sapphic '

[@binghamguevara6814]

@@ladysudaandthegoddessmorri3217 she wasn’t a lesbian. We don’t know what she was. There are stories about her loving women and men. Absolutely ridiculous that this queer woman’s island is what defines something like lesbian.

[@karenbrooks8915]

Also a comment about Love … BUT when you are younger, sex IS important and it may be the gateway for many to the deeper LOVE. It’s not philosophical, it’s real.

[@oryantge]

Is the narrator Jonathan Groff is disguise?

[@Literallyarealhuman]

10:00 I think all that is is is confused teens and adults that want to be part of a “story” that is interesting like a teacher or parent who feeds off the “accomplishment”

[@hellabella8295]

This entire subject is RIDICULOUS.. Wr got to the stage where gay and trans people are accepted, both legally and socially.. even to the point where PEOPLE WANT A GAY FRIEND.. so nobody cares now and everyone is loved and respected.. ok, there might be some families who are religious or whatever and don’t embrace a gay family member but that’s rare now.. but these families probably don’t accept other stuff as well.. so it’s not just a gay problem.. I have a theory that those who found meaning SCREAMING ABOUT GAY RIGHTS have now lost their superficial identities of being a gay advocate and have now changed the GOAL POSTS, ignore FACTS AND SCIENCE, and are now pushing a false narrative of MEN ARE BORN WOMEN.. THEY ARE NOT.. no matter how loud they scream.. The damage both mentally and physically being done to KIDS IS UNFORGIVABLE AND MUST STOP NOW!

[@AndyJarman]

This latest discussion was obviously had after a glass of wine was inbibed! Alcohol, its not all bad!

[@fokkerfilms560]

I'm fairly butch but I don't get any aggressive responses and I don't experience any discrimination. Well, at least not because of my butchness. I'm Scottsh (Glaswegian) and I've never heard the expression 'lassie boy'. Mind you, I was a one year old in 1972. #JustSaying Totally agree with the sentiment that if I was 18 today I'd end up trans-ed. T made Jet sexually attracted to men? Bizarre. But I think I've seen a few transmen who turned 'gay'. Dutch bible-belt? Who knew there was a Dutch bible-belt? 'They are depriving people of love.' - Great point!

[@dianeleone1634]

A month ago the 1970's heartthrob David Cassidy was being remembered for nearly 50years in the limelight. I read A few commentaries referring to his LOOK \style/body type as slightly androgynous.. It's an interesting concept. One wouldn't think of ''heartthrob'' for screaming mostly teen girls as >> slightly androgynous. Of course 50years ago ,not much research/no internet community, and health classes didn't give us answers to puberty ,genders, dysphoria... Fast forward to the series "" I am Jazz "" ,the medical procedure seems cruel .. Can't fathom parents of a *young *person being told by medical professionals the °procedure° will cure a problem . Medications and surgery as healthcare.

[@Jace7310]

If the woman in the middle doesn't speak to straight people, why is she using a straight platform?

[@4651adri]

Ok but what does trans really mean? You mean they have gender dysphoria because 'trans' doesn't actually mean anything if you think about it.

[@thecloudsaretalking830]

Right? And what does queer mean anymore? You know how many “queer” people I’ve met who have only had relatives with the opposite sex?

[@dreimalnein22]

It's a belief like in a soul. Its the gender soul. It means nothing to an atheist.

[@non_ideological_transexual7414]

For most Trans is short for transgender...used to be accepted as short for transsexual ( someone that medically changes their body ). We used to have to have a diagnosis of gender dysphoria ( long standing ) to even START to transition.

[@AndyJarman]

It's cover for those who find puberty and the internet fantasy of perfection way too much to handle.

[@non_ideological_transexual7414]

@@AndyJarman The point is that when someone is at far outside the normal bell curve of most people it is easier to live as the opposite sex ie: in alignment with perfection as you put it . Every negative trait, behavior ,abnormal body fits much better so it eliminates GD . Ray Blanchard calls it a self selecting morphology & that's all the other transsexuals i know except one AGP . People react instinctively to other people , just like you cannot make someone perceive you as the opposite sex ( Pronouns ) when you are nothing at all like it & you also cannot expect people to treat the very different as they would anyone else..."the norm" it's not hate people are just wired that way like they are for fear of non related genetic groups ( evo psychology ) .

[@daguppz7945]

What are they drinking? Looks like product placement 😂

[@Cladina_Green]

I miss Butch lesbians. They are the sexiest people, for me. I wish they knew!

[@cherrybee3758]

💗💗💗

[@azimuth5620]

LGB 🎉 DROP THE T! #lgballiance

[@billjohnson1094]

I could move there based on accent alone.

[@P4GYY]

testosterone made the lesbian girl attracted to men? I've never heard of that before, whats all that about?

[@dreimalnein22]

I listened to a lot of Benjamin's interviews and others - i heard all possible variations of orientation changes and higher or lower sex drive and also aggressive thinking resulting.

[@henrystokes1987]

Men who do certain steroids complain about homos3xuality as an unwanted side effect. Google "tren made me gay" for some good stories if you need a laugh.

[@P4GYY]

@@dreimalnein22 Yeah i've known about the increased agro, increase sex drive, but not decrease? or lesbians attracted to men? what the fuuuuuuuck, I would assume more estragon would make lesbians str8.

[@jacobj3933]

​@@P4GYY The absolute majority of all self identifying lesbians are mostly that in name. You can get women to take up almost seemingly any position as long as you make it socially acceptable to hold it, behave in such a manner, and so on. There's an extreme few who are truly lesbians.

[@P4GYY]

@@jacobj3933 So women are actually hive minded as fuck then nice, but yeah i'm aware of how malleable women are, what im asking is what affect testosterone has on lesbians sexuality tho

[@Literallyarealhuman]

9:21 ❤ 💔

[@berniefynn6623]

tO TRANSITION IS TO MOVE FROM ONE STATE TO ANOTHER,.how DOES A HUMAN BEING DO THIS? how DOES A HUMAN ACCESS ANOTHER GENDER TO COMPARE,THIS IS UTTER CRAP AND A DELUSION

[@NinjaKittyBonks]

Ah... the Trans Trifecta is complete and will be here will bells on. The bell was given by hooman that I allow to live in the home in which I reside. Just two things The Kitty must suffer as furball 🐈

[@mynx6969]

Head bonks for the Kitty 😺 ❤

[@NinjaKittyBonks]

@@mynx6969 ... [applies ⛑+🦺winds up... rears back on hind legs, ala alpha male mountain ram style.... goes full 🐈‍⬛*HEAD BONK* on 🦘... and gets dizzy 😿]

[@pythosdegothos6181]

39:25 YES!!! Finally. It just seems all too often it is assumed a gender non conforming kid or person is automatically homosexual. I am gender non conforming. I can look down right feminine, at times, though I do not try to "pass" as a woman in the use of forms, padding, and persona, I am just male, and prefer "feminine" styles. I would have been fast tracked on the trans train, and I have ZERO, nada ZILCH sexual interest in males. I know I am not alone in this. But straight masculine gender non conformity which has never been supported, is again being over shadowed.

[@Listenerandlearner870]

You could do a panel with detrans men.

[@BenjaminABoyce]

I could do a panel with feral kittens.

[@Listenerandlearner870]

@@BenjaminABoyce that would be good too.

[@NinjaKittyBonks]

@@BenjaminABoyce .... OMG.. plz... plz... plz 😻

[@NinjaKittyBonks]

@Alex tea drinker ... Ask and thy shall receive: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pqHYn4qBh9Noj7s

[@TheEisel]

@@BenjaminABoycewould your cat be willing to join? Maybe it can be the MC kittey of the panel.

[@winsomewife7112]

What if they're a "trust-based-attracter" that needs to be adult & good friends first before they can feel sexually attracted to the opposite sex? What if family also needs to like the person for enough trust to happen for attraction to happen? Humans can have many attractions over a lifetime, and that in no way means the person must act on all, some, or any of them. The married person that gets a crush on someone else isn't married to the wrong person. They admire some things about that new person and can just behave & be loyal as promised, and be more careful with their thoughts, and assume life with the other person just might be worse. Hard to know how difficult someone is when you never live with them. No one is gay... says KZbinr Becket Cook & friends, and science so far. No one is gay any more than humans are supposed to be attracted to inanimate objects or trees or being a MAP. Thoughts do not always equal what humans are supposed to act on. We can think. We can choose what's best for us and society, what causes the least problems and most good.