What If VOYAGER Never Went Missing! - Star Trek Theory

[@fightingfalcon777]

Honestly, if not for Voyager being in the Delta Quadrant, it’s entirely possible the Undine/Species 8472 would have destroyed the Borg and the rest of life in the galaxy, since they seemed pretty intent on killing everyone in the Milky Way after dealing with the Borg

[@Dan__S]

Same goes for the Krenim, omega, and Q civil war. All of those could've radically changed the galaxy.

[@KingOfMadCows]

There are more than enough aliens with godlike powers in the Milky Way to stop 8472. Metrons, Organians, Cytherians, Douwd, Q, etc. can all make 8472 go back to their own dimension.

[@BrianLindee-qm9ed]

They only went after species that were contaminated by the Borg and any Borg planet and ship either than that they had no interest in the rest of the Delta quadrant

[@JaredLS10]

@@Dan__S Krenim would have been local space issue just like Omega for the most part and eventually Q would have been captured and killed after a few more supernova's. The Delta Quadrant would have been tore up but the rest of the galaxy say a few random nova's would have been fine. 8472 would have eventually discovered the Borg Transwarp hubs and spread across the whole galaxy conducting a full on purge.

[@star86703]

What if the uss enterprise 1701- D survive the battle of veridien 3

[@Redshirt434]

Chakotay and the others would have either ended up in prison, or killed by the Jem'Hadar. Seven of Nine would've never been rescued, Voyager may have been put into the front lines of the Dominion War, but Neelix would've never been an eternal annoyance.

[@DavidEvans_dle]

Really don't see Voyager lasting long in the Dominion war - JW skills are primary scientific exploration her command rigidity doesn't allow her to be very adaptive. Since the Federation is mostly OP against most of it enemies - it's not a really big time problem. I could see her managing a couple of tactical retreats - but on the long run, she would have kept to standard Federation SOP. And thus entrapped by the Gem'dhar.

[@indianastones6032]

Ohh, no nelix, now thats a pleasant thought!!

[@GeekFilter]

Would be interesting to see a video on what would’ve happened if Spock stayed dead in Yesteryear. It feels like that could affect so many things in multiple directions of the timeline! Or even another universe!

[@arko09]

Yes! Such a timeline got explored in the Star Trek: Myriad Universes novel "The Chimes at Midnight". First officer Commander Thelin reigns!

[@GeekFilter]

@@arko09 I think I remember bits and pieces of that. I’m just wondering now that we have Discovery in the timeline how that would affect things. Michael Burnham would’ve lived with them for a year before Spock passed (clearly we did not see that in TAS).

[@BlackHedgehog]

Now I'm curious what would have happened if Voyager's crew had still been alive after being sent to the Delta Quadrant. I feel like the Starfleet-Maquis dynamic would have taken a lot longer to balance out than it did. Chakotay wouldn't be first officer, Paris wouldn't have been the main helmsman, the EMH would probably have not been used often and who knows what would have happened with B'Elanna.

[@Mr_Samny]

One thing for sure, Janeway wouldn't want her coffee be any different.

[@theparaAbnormalZ5001]

What if the enterprise was lost in the delta quadrant

[@Zyklon_B_still_and_know_God]

Worf: "prepare for ramming speed!" *everyone dies*

[@rogermoore9742]

Please make a what if, Janeway was assigned to Deep Space Nine and Sisko was the Captain of Voyager.

[@Zyklon_B_still_and_know_God]

Without the pimp hand the federation loses the dominion war.

[@BrianLindee-qm9ed]

Voyager in the dominion war they would have ended up like The Odyssey jemhadar fighter ramming right into the deflector or nacelle

[@willadeefriesland5107]

You got the thumbs up from me by mentioning the improved rank advancement chances of Harry Kim...

[@duomaxwell2293]

I'm Curious and wondering what would of happened IF, Instead of Voyager got transported to the delta Quadrant, but a Sovereign Class maybe not Enterprise, but say USS Sovereign or something. How would things happen differently?????

[@BammerD]

-Voyager wouldn't even be a footnote in any history book. Possibly destroyed during the Dominion War or relegated to chauffeuring diplomats around. -Instead of the Bellerophon transporting Admiral Ross, Sloan, and Dr. Bashir to Romulus, it could have been Voyager. -Chakotay and crew would either have been in a Federation prison or killed by the Dominion except for Seska. The Cardassians would retrieve her. -Dreadnought would have impacted Rakosa V, killing thousands if not millions. -Seven would still be a drone. -Species 8472 would have tried to destroy all life in the galaxy. -The Krenem time ship would still exist and altering destinies in the Delta Quadrant. -The Doctor would be replaced by the EMH Mark II, and the Mark II would be replaced by the Mark III, and so on and Lewis Zimmerman would have eventually died from his illness. -The Equinox would have eventually been destroyed by those creatures. -Tom Paris would still be in a penal colony. -Slip Stream technology wouldn't be known. -The 37's would still be on ice. -The Vaadwaur would still be on ice.

[@aerisgainsborough2141]

malon poison the void, think tank survives...

[@parmsingh187]

What if the dominion won the war in the alpha quadrant? What if the borg and the dominion had a full out war, who would win?

[@ChristianAnstes]

You should look up lore reloaded on you tube, he's done a number of videos on alternative history. Highly recommended.

[@TrekCentral]

I love this idea! - Jack

[@parmsingh187]

@@TrekCentral there’s a potential expansion on the dominion war (if the dominion won) aftermath of how there could be a uprising of the old powers to retake the alpha quadrant (maybe the star ship voyager playing a part of helping the old Reminence to stage a uprising?)

[@jaygrayson4857]

The Borg would fold up the Dominion without too much trouble, I think. Assimilate a Jem'Hadar fighter, and their first target would be the Great Link.

[@MacTX]

25:10 The Borg collective would have been doomed with or without Voyager. 8472 would have systematically annihilated the Borg one system at a time if Janeway hadn't stopped them.

[@joelmoses5143]

Loved this video! What about a future addition of “what if” Jean Luc Picard never took command of the StarGazer ? Or “what if” Worf never was rescued from Khitomer?

[@richardshepard380]

I wonder if Star Trek will ever be real probably not but it’ll be fantastic if it did end up real I think

[@StarFleet_Tech1701]

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[@willvgo2950]

11:35 Carey was not Voyager's original chief engineer. If he had been, then there would not have been a need to fill the role. He was the next in line to fill the rolle, but Chakotay pushed for Torres to get it.

[@colonyofrochellaprime]

Would like to see a "What If?" about Adm. Leyton's coup against Pres. Jaresh Enyo succeeding, with Sisko, Janeway and Picard forming a resistance against Leyton and the resistance was allied with the Maquis.

[@joshwilliams8863]

I absolutely love alternative histories! Even if they're fictional histories. Here's one: What if Q hadn't "warned" the Federation sooner of the Borg? i.e. what if he hadn't flung the Enterprise-D to System J-25?

[@Joshua-r3r6w]

What if starfleet replaced the Miranda class with intrepid class. Dominion wouldn't have had a chance. Science vessel really?. Voyager took on a borg tactical cube and did more damage than enterprise in best of both worlds.

[@Paul-vt6tx]

If Voyager had not been lost, Janeway probably would have asked Tom Paris to stay on Voyager even going as far as to ask Admiral Paris to reactive his starfleet Commission. Had Tom and his father agreed, and the higher-ups at starfleet had no objection, Paris would become an acting Ensign being mentord by Janeway and assigned to Navigation and helm as night watch relief.

[@indianastones6032]

Voyager isnt the only intrepid class ship as the uss bellafone was in the ds9 episode " in war, the law goes silent" but the episodes title is in latin and can only recall "inter arma................" from the title. The bellafone would have pretty much the same weapons and armour as voyager had, prior to the vessals disapperearance.

[@dc-4ever201]

I was just thinking about this the other day. Starfleet would certainly be poorer if Voyager hadn't gone missing as the bounty of scientific and technological advancements they returned with significantly advanced the Federetion decades if not upto a hundred years or two in some areas. Not to mention the recognition of photonic lifeforms and how to sustain them long term. If she'd stayed, they'd have been just another Starship in the Dominion war, maybe even destroyed by the Breen weapon and amounting to little as a result but more casualties on the list. BTW it's pronounced Val Jean (sounds like Jon) not Val Jeen. Do you call Jean-Luc Picard Jeen Luc? The ships name is ftom "Les Misersbles" which is where the whole Maquis theme comes from even referenced several times by Eddington in DS9.

[@Jayjay-qe6um]

If Voyager never went missing, Neelix will never found out that there's a colony Talaxians.

[@starfleetcaptain5413]

If she didn't get lost in the Delta quadrant she more than likely would have gotten "lost" in the Gamma quadrant. If they had stayed in the alpha quadrant when they had completed their mission they probably would have been sent through the Bajoran wormhole for exploration where we learn a number of ships and a colony had been destroyed before the episode "The Jem'Hadar" that or possibly getting back to DS9 to warn Starfleet ahead of time

[@McAster99]

Beyond the ship and crew itself; Star Trek Prodigy wouldn't have happened, as it used so much of the tech Voyager brought back and was entirely made for the purpose of revisiting the Delta quadrant. So maybe a follow up question should be what would have everyone's life have turned out with no Solum encounter, no Diviner, no slave collection, and so forth?

[@artvandelay2873]

Really enjoying the what-if content. Keep it up!

[@shadowmann9]

What I want to know is how many Intrepid-class ships were built. It's registry indicates that it was a fleet ship and not experimental.

[@geocachingwomble]

According to Rick Burnham there was 20 intrepid class ships in Starfleet. Further backed up by lower decks

[@shadowmann9]

@@geocachingwomble I don't count anything from NuTrek as canon, and I don't accept any of the ships appearing in any of the NuTrek shows as canon (since all have been altered from the originals, or borrowed from STO). I would believe 10, but not 20. The Nova-class was basically an Intrepid with nacelles and could also land and was the same size as the Intrepid-class. I would watch a new non-NuTrek show on an Intrepid-class ship.

[@sammireyoung]

@@shadowmann9 you lost me. Where did you hear that canon ships that are in all the newer Star Trek shows have been altered? A Galaxy Class in DS9 or TNG is the same as a Galaxy Class In Lower Decks. Just not in Star Trek Picard because thats 20 years after Nemesis and they have had a refit, upgrade and overhaul obviously many times over. But in Star Trek Lower Decks they are the same as in TNG and DS9. Everything looks the same as in the 90s shows. Voyager did too in Lower Decks. Not sure why you think different. Who said they all were not the same?

[@shadowmann9]

@@sammireyoung Lower Decks is not canon, and is an animated show. A parody. I like Lower Decks, but none of it is canon. I have been watching Star Trek and been an active fan of it since it's birth in 1966. What you are saying only makes sense to me if your first Star Trek was from Alex Kurtzman. That is NuTrek, not Star Trek.

[@shadowmann9]

@@geocachingwomble Lower Decks is not canon. I like the show, but it isn't canon.

[@sjprdude]

I disagree with one point. Without Voyager’s intervention, Species 8472 (sorry if I got the number wrong) would have destroyed the Borg in their war.

[@andyo393]

The bigger problem would have been the unknown race that discovered Omega hundreds of particles destabilising subspace across the delta quadrant at a minimum if not the reaching into the other three quadrants as well.

[@drewf41]

A hospital ship?!?!? Their Sick-bay could barely handle the standard crew size...

[@davidlivingston9169]

The Borg were getting their ASSES destroyed by Species 8472 until Voyager showed up!!!!!

[@elegido1115]

Love your Videos but can you please make a what if voyager was a galaxy class? This is a highly discussed topic in many reddit forums so i think it would be very interessting

[@indianastones6032]

Riddle me this???? Why is the federation classed as an alpha quadrant power, despite the vast majority of the federations territory is mostly in the beta quadrant?? I only noticed it when playing STO, so ive looked and their maps and it confirms what startrek onlines map. If someone answers, ya can double check please, especially in the TNG,DS9 and Voyager era.

[@andrewnegron288]

What if the Enterprise C was never destroyed in battle at the Narendra system ?. But other than that I loved the whole what if, Continue the great work Sr..

[@DarkStarX]

In response to fighting falcon 777. I disagree. I don’t think the Borg would’ve been destroyed. I think they would’ve sent a large fleet into the Alpha quadrant taking over the federation, Romulan and Klingon empires. With that diversity they probably would’ve come up with a solution themselves to deal with species 8472. So without voyager to provide a buffer, the Alpha & Beta quadrants would be no more.

[@kanebunce3791]

If Voyager wasn't stranded in the Delta Quadrant, then Prodigy wouldn't have happened as it relies on technology gained from Voyager's trip through the Delta Quadrant.. 😛

[@SomeTheorist9090]

Kes would have gone full caretaker mode and destroyed both the Borg and species 8472... The Cardassians would have forged an alliance with the Delta Quadrant due to Seska ... Riker would meet the expanded Cardassian Empire in the Delta Quadrant. Janeway would end up leaving Mark. Troi would end up leaving Riker... And go back to Worf... Jadzia would end up with the Creeper...but not die... Ezri would end up as an Orion Syndicate spy... and never be joined...

[@jaredcolon4535]

Actually the Galaxy would have been destroyed because the Borg still would have a tried to make contact and assimilate species 8472 leading to that war between the two of them and then species 8472 would have completely defeated the Borg and then moved on and began destroying and wiping out other species in the Delta quadrant and then Delta quadrant would become a foothold for species 8472 and they would spread out to the other quadrants from there

[@indianastones6032]

Voyager (with just starfllet crew)woulnt be much good if in the same state as it was when it left to go into the badlands but i will admit however the voyager that returned with marquis and seven in the crew with the surviving starfleet crew?? Itll be another tough little ship to go along side siskos pimp slap, the defiant!

[@martincamacho2444]

Ironically, enough Janeway probably saved many lives both Maquis and star fleet despite stranding them 70,000 light years from home made better that than a total war against superior adversaries

[@indianastones6032]

0:24 say what now?? A future admiral captain janeway?? Ya mean a future admiral janeway, yeah?

[@arko09]

When I got the subtitles on, it says "the Kardashians". :)

[@potatofriends262]

What if the enterprise d p pre-board encounter was transported to the Delta quadrant

[@charleslee8505]

How about a what if with the romulan Earth war with the wasp in Dallas last ships

[@Marcsharp82]

What if Captain Esteban of the USS Grissom had beamed aboard teen Spock when told he'd been resurrected shortly before the ships destruction

[@jalajlimaye7015]

If Voyager hadn't been lost in delta quadrant maybe.. just maybe.. Kim would have been promoted...

[@annapocalypsezero4719]

Nah too radical a change, impossible in fact. Poor guy never got a break.

[@cam2d2]

Probably destroyed! Voyager is no Defiant, and Janeway is no Sisko.

[@voidedsteel6611]

species 8472 would have spread throughout the galaxy and cause havoc for the federation and everyone else in the galaxy

[@augiegirl1]

11:12 What is the source of that story? I'm assuming it’s beta canon.

[@KeysundKreisPlaylists_Colt]

The borg wouldnt be crippled and destroyed in picard s3

[@xellosmetallium8519]

How about what would happen during the the Dominion war if Voyager showed up earlier with that improve ablative shield armor and torpedoes? 🤣

[@matthewpoe1056]

What about the USS Equinox?

[@dennisud]

And don't forget Species 8472 would have wiped out the Borg and mort of the Galaxy!

[@grahamhickson4137]

What if the Vulcans didn't detect the Phoenix?

[@raytrekker]

the warship voyager and soldier janeway saved the universe.without voyager and janeway they saved our past too :-)

[@Smithbriart]

Voyager suffered from writers running out of ideas. How many shuttle crashes did they have? Voyager was a good show overall, but it was NOT my favorite 90 eras trek. DS9 seasons 4-7 deserve recognition for being the best trek ever made. Voyagers BEST season was seasons 6&7.

[@KeysundKreisPlaylists_Colt]

If Voyager never went missing = no tv show. The End 😅😋

[@ZeroDarkness-]

Federation will had no advance Trans Warp Technology that stolen from Borg 😂 Enterprise F would be less advanced than Enterprise E 😂

[@AdamHinckley]

do what if borg didn't exist

[@josephbanatlao6461]

Voyager would have been destroyed in the opening salvo

[@mccellenlol4163]

“What if Voyager never went missing?” Simple answer, Captain Jainway would’ve went up against a Dominion ship due to her arrogance and would’ve destroyed Voyager. Of course, plot armor would engage and some rando Klingon would decloak his ship so he could espouse his love for her strength against unbeatable odds and die himself while destroying the Dominion vessel.

[@fritzelly7309]

What if - Voyager Season 1 Episode 1 - the series finale (also wouldn't have had the annoying Neelix)

[@chloedevereaux1801]

first :D .

[@ironflowerrevolution9165]

What if species 8472 undine came in dominion war attack both side war

[@DavidEvans_dle]

Voyager under the command of some other Captain, also with upgrades might have made a small factor. But consider this, the Scimitar fought in the Dominion War and performed admirably but not totally dominate. Comparing Voyager with Scimitar - my guess is that the Dominion ships are a lot stronger than cannon suggest. Also note, the Scimitar could have genocide most of Dominion territory planets. And would have - if the Dominion wasn't more stronger then portrayed in the series.

[@ricgillingham8056]

Jsnewau is a awful Capt she executed Tuvix changed the timeline for the entire universe becouse she lost her crew changing all of creations futures continually taking risks that are MOT worth it and thinking she knows best alll the time I wouldn't serve under her terrible captain.