What If We Collapsed Like Rome?

In this video, we explore what might happen in the short and long term if our civilization met the same fate as Ancient Rome.
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[@scottscoville1118]

One thing collapsed civilizations had in common: Did not believe it could happen to them.

[@l.m.c.7756]

Scary truth

[@patg9754]

Also, they gave power from the individual or small community, to the state or rulers. The real problem.

[@maualkla]

But talk a lot of it makes the opposite result, we have other level of civilization, I think the humanity reach the point where a collapse is very difficult

[@petermcweeter]

And when they finally did, it was far too late....

[@chillaxo9863]

@@patg9754 that was not really the problem. Rome had many Emperors before it collapsed.

[@Crick1952]

I'll remember you when I establish my kingdom, storyteller.

[@DMOTAMNB]

Be careful not to take an arrow to the knee, just saying.

[@Unique_Racing]

Lmfao 😆😂🤣

[@godofwarhammer7655]

Me to

[@Crick1952]

@Hoàng Nguyên Then we are fated rivals for I am a disciple of Yeezus! Purge the infidel! *KANYE VULT!*

[@JamesThomas-pj2lx]

I shall grind your kingdom and its dynasty into dust and then incorporate its ashes into my empire.... We will forget your name; petty king.

[@DariBenetka]

"The United States of America were neither united, nor states, nor american" -Some future historian

[@jaskamattila4481]

The United States of America is going to mean a feudal scattering of spanish-speaking tribal kingdoms in modern day Mexico.

[@caiawlodarski5339]

Except that wasn't said by a historian talking about the past, it was said by a philosopher talking about the present. In fact, modern historians really don't like hearing that phrase over and over again.

[@gilc.4810]

Lol imagine someone telling their kids if they aren't home by dark the robawts will come and get them.

[@baneofbanes]

DariBenetka Thats not really comparable.

[@lepeejon2955]

@@jaskamattila4481 Given current state of Mexico, I doubt there's going to be "modern day Mexico" or rest of the industrial world.

[@krispyboi2519]

I can’t wait for future historians to call the us the Mississippi valley civilization

[@adityashrestha2774]

lmao u cant wait. thats the saddest part man, we're gonna be long dead when that shit happens. I wish i was born later so i could see how this period went down in history

[@mather468]

@@adityashrestha2774 Couldn't you say that about all time periods though? I bet my great grandfather was very curious about how WWII would turn out and the world post war.

[@adityashrestha2774]

@@mather468 Well yeah, thats exactly what i said. Just that this era is the one i'm living in. I'm not so sure about the point you're trying to make

[@Gabe-tv9ig]

Rockin Robin were you an adult in 1980?

[@paninidagoat8780]

We already gotta Mississippi valley Civilization

[@Prometheus7272]

"Scipio Africanus looked upon the flaming city of Carthage and he wept, for he knew one day it would be Rome". All things end, all things die, all things have their time. Even us.

[@Jablicek]

It's the Great Filter debate. Will we push through these times or will we destroy ourselves?

[@vinny5638]

Jablička It’s pretty obvious that we’ll destroy ourselves first, I’m sure its happened an innumerable amount of times with ancient stuff like Gobekli Tepei being found. I’m sure every society once thought they’d survive the long haul and witness an ushering in of new ages of human history, and granted some of them actually have, every society crumbles eventually and their ability to herald the future ceases. (forgive my spelling)

[@killertaco8themaster773]

That was scipio aemilianus who oversaw the destruction of carthage

[@momus2424]

Prometheus An unknown US General sitting in a top conference wherein is described by the CIA and other intelligence agencies the demise, collapse and infiltration of the Libyan nation and the toppling of its leader is unsettled. And the General afterwards wept, for he knew one day this was to be of his nation.

[@grndragon7777777]

Everything Changes

[@1Reddd]

That crazy old man that lives in the mountains and survives on his own doesn’t sound so crazy anymore

[@blakelonghofer6825]

He sounds like the Baron of the mountain now.

[@Jundarippa]

He never sounded crazy, people were just afraid to acknowledge the truth that he spoke.

[@eisenhowerrepublican4237]

I'm gonna survive in the canadian mountains 😄

[@leanbean8962]

we can only hope the man who lived in the mountains for 10 years shall come down from them and share with us his great wisdom.

[@1Reddd]

Mean To Girls LMFAOO brooo it’s a joke. You know what a joke is, or are you too woke for those?

[@kiwi2536]

"From Alaska to New Zealand, the world breaks down." oh no we're not being ignored this time _this isn't good_

[@Fireoflearning]

Brilliant comment

[@cettechaineestcloture.1351]

come on, only Hawaii will have to worry about the collapse

[@krispalermo8133]

@@cettechaineestcloture.1351 Hawaii is F**ked hard. The USA Navy practice field once was Hawaii " Sacred Land " to their " gods " of farming. The Navy has been lying for years over the fact they multiple tested " Davy Crockett " nukes there. Other than pineapples, the US has wreaked Hawaii farmland where they need to import food to feed their island current population.

[@dusanradin5868]

Just show them Haka.

[@randomboys1000]

@@krispalermo8133 fake news

[@stevoplex]

My friend Bruno, retired lumberjack, almost entirely self sufficient by hunting, fishing, foraging and gardening, living in his cabin deep in the woods, without any need for address, vehicle, electricity or neighbors, probably won't even notice the collapse until he walks to the nearest town once a year to stock up on ammo and liquor. 😁

[@entropicpedro]

Or medicine for a disease he picked up...

[@meneedmorebrain]

Don't worry, when the lights are out, the hungry masses will flock to the woods, eating everything and everyone who is so unlucky to be still alive.

[@stevoplex]

@@meneedmorebrain Personally, I'm going to ravage the surrounding suburbs. Densely packed targets of high quality loot. The only drawback is that everyone has guns.

[@bigboyman5743]

lol, wildfires, pollution and climate change will still take a toll on him

[@Ie1222_]

I'd probably build a wall around my property for good measure though

[@StrangeDaysGaming]

Upside is we'll never have to see another Ad for RAID: Shadow Legends

[@untrainedmechanic]

Until someone names their empire shadow legends. We gon have to deal with that for a while.

[@ortherner]

THIS COMMENT IS SPONSORED BY RAID SHADOW LEGENDS!!!!

[@_Aarim]

So 50/50 then

[@thathistoryiscoolguy]

Yes

[@AdamBechtol]

lol

[@cebonvieuxjack]

2150 A.D. : "I kid you not man, in the myth, the guy turned himself into a pickle ! Funniest shit I have ever seen.."

[@maartenxwr]

This joke is the only legacy that we need.

[@yashbheda3335]

Award for the winning comment

[@gilc.4810]

From The Epic Rikan Morty, 6th graders in 3020 are gonna have to write an essay about its themes

[@randomperson6988]

lmao

[@ronjayrose9706]

How is he still speaking modern english?wouldn't it evolve into a different dialect/language???

[@karmakastiitarrikaari3499]

."The president of Ohio" This truly is the darkest age of man

[@Chironex_Fleckeri]

Dominus Mike DeWine and vice-Dominus Amy Acton . As long as I receive my allotted hamburgers and foobaw games, I will support them unwaveringly!

[@MissionHomeowner]

@@Chironex_Fleckeri Aye!

[@Amadeu.Macedo]

If I could have a choice regarding the teritory, the resources and oppotunities (natural & technological) which woold be available to me I would be totally satisfied as the Emperor of Southeasten South America (encompassing southeaster-southern Brazil, Uruguy, while from Argentina I would endevor to grasp the provinces of Missiones, Corienes, Santa Fe and Buenos Aires. My capital would be either Montevideo , Punta del Leste or Porto Alegre (Brazil)

[@germwarfare]

Would his name be Cincinnatus

[@banik5213]

Ohio will rise again!

[@digitalhermit8928]

It made me laugh how he's talking about all this serious stuff about society collapsing, and then it comes to the patreon supporters and he's like "I want to thank Frogman Savage and others for their support" lmao

[@bryantmoreland9522]

Fax 😂

[@borealphoto]

The part about x-men got me lol.

[@Neopolitan2024]

Talk about the damm video and not the damm jokes and Focus on the damm topic dude.

[@ethanetn]

The only thing guaranteed is that the amish will be fine

[@gurusmurf5921]

I think some of their beliefs would be detrimental to survival once the raiders start riding into their town. I think they would have to make some changes to their beliefs.

[@DameOfDiamonds]

@@Muscleupsanddangles the amish are not inbred lol

[@voivodadracula1936]

Until the techno-vikings start raiding their towns

[@landonyoung4850]

matthewsaluh the amish get wives from other amish and mennonite communities, and about 5000 people BECOME amish every year, and also adoption is super common in the amish communities. if you go to lancaster county, there’s a bunch of younger amish families with black children adopted from larger urban areas in pennsylvania

[@Patchuchan]

Their knowledge on how to grow food and build structures that can maintain livable temperatures without technology would be invaluable. They would likely have to abandon some of their pacifist ways and use their iron working skills to make muskets and cannons to deal with raiders.

[@danielnoahalie9186]

Imagine sat round a campfire hundreds of years later and telling ghost stories about the "tragedy of Darth plagues the wise".

[@carlosandleon]

lmao that would be amazing

[@Woldemar94]

its not a story the jedi would tell

[@TheHelghast1138]

Indeed

[@andrewholmes2850]

@@Woldemar94 Its a sith legend

[@Overunder705]

Ironic

[@Pancaker781]

Never realized how amazing lore could be of the modern world if we collapsed

[@Razzor012YT]

I know right, one good example is a Crusader Kings 2 Mod called After the End and it’s basically the same thing.

[@whiteeagle9769]

@@Razzor012YT I've actually spoken to the devs and I kinda hate Sayyid because he treats me like a child

[@NAME-yg8sl]

I wonder they would view us? We kinda screwed stuff up but we also made great strands in technology.

[@goldblood3212]

imagine the memes

[@Helmet_enthusiast]

Just like in bannerlord, I’m remaking Rome who’s with me

[@tracystehly3063]

Imagine that in 8,000 years they make it to the moon and see what's left of a flag, and then when they get to mars they see a rover

[@JD-pd3gl]

That would be so crazy... I almost wish I could be there to see that

[@Dez_artsnstuff]

@the Lost Q I've heard from friends that the latest rockets use renewable energy, but when it comes to rebuilding and running the world using fossil fuels, well that wouldn't fare well

[@brandonmcgrew4367]

the Lost Q we’re going to use a probe that doesn’t use just fossil fuels bro, spacex is working on a laser powered probe.

[@javierporrata356]

@the Lost Q most spaceships use hydrogen as fuel

[@sharplydressedrabbit3604]

@the Lost Q idk if you're comment is accurate and I don't wanna look it up, but I can't imagine what it would be like at that time. Knowing humanity was doomed to vanish on earth without being able to do anything about it

[@hanytelfah7069]

You likend it to the fall of Rome, but it's more like the bronze age collapse in my opinion

[@baneofbanes]

Hany Telfah Yah that’s a better comparison imho.

[@ddwkc]

Yeah, if he wanted to still stick with Rome theme, I think the fall of the province of Britannia. However, the Bronze Age collapse is better indeed. I do understand why people overuse the Fall of Rome as the theme of fall of civilization. It's so romanticized and overused in geopolitics as well.

[@Catubrannos]

@@ddwkc Britain lasted for something like a hundred years after the last Roman administrators were kicked out. They were kicked out by the local Romano-British population, probably because they were still demanding taxes for the Empire while the Empire was refusing to provide protection to the province. A few years later Armorica did the same, probably under advisement from the people in Britain. Armorica was still allied to the Empire but ran its own affairs, later becoming a bastion for Gallo-Romans fleeing raids by Germans, Huns and likely bandits. It's a bit of cliche too to claim the Germans conquered the Western Empire and destroyed it. The Germans had been part of the Imperial administration for over a century, were a large part of the army, had married into the Imperial family. The Empire was already in decline when Septimus Severus was killed by his own troops in the mid 3rd century and a general was elected by the army as emperor. After that it was a free for all. Stability was restored at times but the incessant civil wars, instead of focusing on protecting the borders and strengthening the structure of the Empire, severely weakened the Empire allowing outside groups to gain footholds. It's more accurate to say that the Germans took over the administration of the Empire and simply spread up a process of decentralisation that was already underway long before they showed up. There was gradual decline due to lack of central authority. There was no great war that saw the barbarian hordes burn down the cities. It's more like the bureaucracy that organised manufacturing and supply ceased so local building projects would find they couldn't source the stone blocks they needed so they began a process of dismantling existing buildings deemed of less value to get their stone. That continued all through the middle ages, even the Coliseum was used as a quarry of ready made stone. Overall the roads and aqueducts continued in use, some are still in use today.

[@Armdfg]

It's cyclical. Civilization always falls from time to time. It's the nature of things. Impermanence. This civilization will inevitably collapse. The only question is: when?

[@reggie69.]

The oil age collapse

[@matthill263]

Jared Diamond made the interesting point that if this civilisation collapses there can never be a second industrial revolution because all of the oil, coal, iron ore etc that is easy to get at and can be mined without advanced technology has already been used.

[@glennmatthews758]

Yikes. Were in too deep. We can't fuck this up. If we do, its over. Just a slow gradual decline until a rock hits us or the sun swallows us.

[@glennmatthews758]

Mad Easter Island vibes

[@Eshanas]

Well in some drastic scenarios the tropics and subtropics become desert, the arctic and sub arctic becomes temperate. While North America is mostly shield rock, Siberia may open up, or far patagonia. Civilization around the arctic oil may be lucky.

[@vengefulavenger8382]

Knowledge is power, not oil

[@stargazerspark4499]

Diamond is a charlatan that ignores that a nation's true wealth lies in the intelligence and industrious capacity of its people (witness the quick post-war rebounding of relatively resource-limited but socially-cohestive countries like Japan and Germany). Ignoring the fact that so-called "fossil fuels" are actually self-renewing (abiotic oil) we have enough natural energy resources to last us another 200 years easily, assuming we don't advance onto cold fusion or something similar. Maintaining stable demographics of productive nations is the key to future success.

[@sammymeli3820]

The year is 2566 AD in the Kingdom of Virginia, and a mother is begging her son not to wonder in the woods to hunt because the feared mischievous demi-god "Sonchu" will vaporize any fools who stroll into his realm.

[@pypy1986820]

You are assuming a simple village folk like him could afford or be allowed to own a noble knightly weapon such as a gun to hunt safely and somehow is also granted a license to hunt on a land surely belongs to an illustrious and noble lord... XD

[@planetaxolotl4398]

THE KINGDOM OF CWCVILLE

[@voivodadracula1936]

Capitol of the CWC Empire

[@jackson15williams]

All hail king/queen Chris Chan

[@finnISHY]

@@pypy1986820 people like it imagine that the world would just suddenly revert to kings and knights. Unlikely the most likely form of post collapse goverment would be an authoritarian Republic not a feudal monarchy. Feudalism began dissolving once efficient guns became widely available a peasant could kill a knight just as well if not better than a man at arms could from a safer distance

[@PSIRockOmega]

What's interesting to me is what we might retain after such a collapse. The shear amount of writing we have makes retaining knowledge way more likely. Local and small scale energy production using something like solar could change a great deal in a region.

[@lcmiracle]

IMO we shouldn't get to cared away with the implication of renewable energy sources in a post-collapse society. Sure they might help, but ultimately all technology needs maintenance, and production of technologies require specialised industrial infrastructure. We will need mines labor that harvest the ingredients required, we will need factories and machineries to manufacture them, and massive amount of energy to do so. And most importantly, the large body of people with sepcialised expertise and knowledge to keep all these things running. The same goes for everything else, from modern medicine to powered tools So while in the short run it can soften the impact of a major social collapse, I doubt it would change much of the course of recovery in the long run.

[@PSIRockOmega]

@@lcmiracle Certainly, but I was thinking was that many of these wealth "villas" would be able to maintain energy production even if it only powers a small area. A little power could make a big difference in a region.

[@TuNombreAqui1444]

@@PSIRockOmega damn, never thought I’d see you off Twitch omega

[@PSIRockOmega]

@@TuNombreAqui1444 I'm all over the place.

[@Merlodica]

Dude, take a look at the censorship situation today, the Safe Harbor Act ended yesterday and just now KZbin announced that they will be taking extensive measures to “ensure election safety” by nuking any content that dares to speculate on the nationwide election fraud cases that are being disputed right now. Do you really think that the oligarchs that run America won’t usurp power once they issue a financial collapse? and quickly decimate any dissenting opinion by killing off millions of people quietly through the guise of “re-education camps” Or that they wouldn’t censor any and all coverage of these purges? What I’m getting at is that a collapse of the United States would pretty much guarantee that humanity would never know real truth ever again. We’d become like China where the clever are culled and the blissfully ignorant get to thrive and stay alive. Those who won’t comply and share real information will either be imprisoned, tortured into submission, or gunned down by the UN. After that? Nobody left alive would be dissidents. And their children, if they have any would have no idea about life before the “Reset”, the centralized party in power would never be removed and they’d quickly get to work on rewriting our history, like they have been doing through their Hollywood propaganda arm for decades. It’s not a conspiracy anymore that these globalist elites plan to exterminate the global populace, the “Great Reset” simply means a consolidation of power through economic collapse, forced inoculation (which will cause sterilization), destitution and subsequently nationwide famine and death. Rant over, sorry for the diatribe, but you get the idea. The powers that be want us to become Oceania. If that does end up happening the past as we know it will become fiction, and the lies of the ruling class will become truth.

[@Coffeebeard]

Honest question: what happens to my Best Buy reward points, and can they be converted into lottery tickets for admission to the local underground survival colony / cult?

[@ianpollard4501]

My wife very concerned about her air miles

[@MashMonster69]

Turn them into Nuka cola caps

[@LIBqueen]

They laugh, but this is legit!

[@gagne6928]

Best Buy reward points are gonna be the next big crypto currency mark my words

[@maxwellli7057]

They will be relics of Harambeism, the world's greatest religion.

[@tygeberger5100]

I've actually thought about this before. It's interesting to think that in this present moment we believe everything will remain the same forever but, in actuality, we're just another page in a future history book, who knows what's going to happen to human civilisation 100+ years from now. I mean think about a Roman living during the "pax romana", the empire is at an all time high, they'd believe that civilisation has no where to go but up, however, in less than a few hundred years Rome collapses and the dark ages emerge. You can imagine that a Roman might assume that nothing could possibly go wrong but it's the small errors that are made in the present moment that build up over time until everything comes crumbling down. On the upside, thank you for another great video Justin.

[@Shadow.24772]

even during Pax romana, rome knew little of what's outside their borders. sure, those in protected regions like italy and greece may have thought like that, but those that lived on the border, especially the rhine. wondering when the barbarians would attack again? in contrast, now we know the whole globe. i dont just how hard we can get hit to lose so much, since we may forget that most knowledge now a days, while you can find in on the internet, it's still printed. those who can get access to this knowledge will gain control.

[@anthonywarren9885]

People view life through there short lived lives. So its hard for non-thinking people to imagine anything other than what they see before them.

[@MishaFlower]

@@Shadow.24772 It could happen in space, The distance between stars is so big that it's entirely possible that a future empire might grow to the borders of the known world and fracture due to lack of communication. And it might take thousands of years to overcome such an obstacle, There are a lot of proposed techniques when it comes to colonizing other stars, But there isn't a single one when it comes to communication with colonies, Even with light it takes 4 years for signals to reach from the closest star system, And that's a hella a lot of time.

[@anthonywarren9885]

Yeah its called a distopian movie... did you not know they exist???

[@jarl8815]

So True!

[@gododoof]

Modern decentralized principalities would be a real trip.

[@anthonywarren9885]

It would be constant war.

[@TheGreatPower365]

@@anthonywarren9885 no it wouldn't. Pre-Roman Celtic Europe existed in this model, and it was considerably less volatile and violent than the Roman Era.

[@TheGreatPower365]

@@anthonywarren9885 the notion that larger states means less war has been torn apart so many times it isn't even funny. I don't know of a single historian who I credit who would even suggest that is how it worked in the past, and today the smallest states are routinely the least warlike.

[@blugaledoh2669]

@@TheGreatPower365 smallest state less violent?

[@TheGreatPower365]

@@blugaledoh2669 yes, the smallest states are the least violent, the least likely to declare war.

[@mikeg4972]

So....it would be like 'The Walking Dead' without the zombies.

[@randomloserdontthinkaboutit]

pretty much, only thing that holds The Saviors back from forming a nation is the hordes of walkers left over from cities long gone. negan already had significant power, resourcefully, socially, and militarily. without dem zambies running around, he and his people could easily make deals/slaves out of smaller settlements and grow and grow until they're a nation. honestly, the scariest part about the walking dead is watching people who were originally kind and charitable people break bad post-apocalypse and rise to power. in a real life scenario without the zombies, we'd see Negan-like stories on a much larger scale

[@norsk7607]

It would be called The Walking

[@patricianoftheplebs6015]

BriPM we are all negan

[@mcacosplay6160]

Who said anything about there being no zombies?

[@drarryfangirl9255]

yup

[@powerofk]

Okay, how many of those pictures of "collapsed society" came from modern-day Detroit?

[@danielmsz]

You guys haven't been to Brazil...

[@theamazingagnostic2819]

@Kyril J Detroit is the blackest city in the country. Jackson is the second blackest

[@carbonated_1304]

@@danielmsz so I've seen many messed up things like beheadings and murders and for some odd reason it's always Brazilians recording and killing its strange they even toy with the body.

[@jmitterii2]

Yeah, the US is essentially a fragile failed nation state. This COVID19 thing is just insult to injury, kind of like fall the Berlin Wall was essentially that for the form USSR states.

[@jmitterii2]

@@carbonated_1304 We have have murders in every city every day, and mass murders every month or so.

[@ducktender397]

welcome to the Kingdom of Floridia, otherwise known as Florida Man Land.

[@felixhaggblom7562]

As far as Virginia, gruesome stories are told of the Florida Men.

[@blakelonghofer6825]

lets age that name a bit and combine and drop a few things. Flormaland, Formland, Flarmylon

[@Patchuchan]

I expect Florida to end up ruled by Immortan Joe or Aunty Entity types.

[@LostArchivist]

Ha between the riches of the Wizard Diz-nai and our town full of psychic soldiers, alligator and panther-riding ape commandos from the Avargles, and our brilliant scientists from the Ville of Gains we shall triumph over all!

[@54032Zepol]

Nothing buts cubans control the floridian kingdom

[@GoranXII]

The problem with saying "I don't care _how_ it breaks down" is that how it breaks down actually has a big effect on what happens afterwards. A solar flare f.e. will have a dramatically different outcome to a pandemic or a nuclear war. Further, there's no way of knowing what things will actually be like in 2040.

[@psychopomp4135]

Matthew Marden I’m wondering what type of apocalypse scenario would be most likely to result in the collapse discussed in this video. Nuclear EMP blasts? Solar flare? Global pandemic? I’m really curious.

[@GoranXII]

@@psychopomp4135 Well anything that takes out power is out, that will lead to a sudden collapse, billions dead and the rest struggling to get by. A limited nuclear war might do it, or a plague. Basically, you need a way of knocking civilisation on its rear without completely destroying it. And it's not going to be easy to do, given that there are literally dozens of countries around now, rather than just the handful that were around during the fifth century, and the countries are far more politically robust.

[@Zorro9129]

Pretty much why accelerationists are short-sighted.

[@psychopomp4135]

Matthew Marden Well, wouldn’t knocking out the power lead to sort of pandemonium assesses in this video? Or would that type of thing be so sudden that we’d likely never recover?

[@GoranXII]

@@psychopomp4135 Taking out power also takes out water, sewage, communications and food storage at the very least. It's so big a shock so suddenly that a civilisation can't survive in any recognisable form.

[@rayejp9997]

Imagine someone taking a tour in the ancient ruins of the White House and they touch the desk button

[@rayejp9997]

@Noah Molitor ahhh yes diet coke

[@shah_dar1330]

@Noah Molitor free *expired diet coke

[@alejandroe3616]

@@shah_dar1330 that’s not a Diet Coke, that’s a magical potion

[@apollo1694]

not how it works

[@CadetGriffin]

"No, wait! That one launches all our nuclear missiles!" "Then which one gives me a Diet Coke?" "That would be the other one, sir." "What idiot designed this thing?" "You did, sir." "And which one gives the rest of the world a Coke?" "There's no button for that, sir." "But isn't there an app for that?" "Not that we're aware of, sir." "Then tell Steve Jobs to build me an app that gives the world a Coke!" "Steve Jobs is dead, sir." "Then bring him back to life!" "That would be impossible, sir." "Then make me a button that gives the world a Coke!" *the president turns into a button* "How did that genie get in here?! Let's lock him up with the rest of the monsters!" *the genie disappears* "I order all units to get out there and find that genie! I repeat-" "General Monger, the genie and every known monster at-large have just appeared in multiple cells."

[@lanorothwolf2184]

Horses trudding over the interstate highway would look very very weird

[@SauceMeGud]

Only because you are a child of the current world. People born into that would think it natural as breathing.

[@miguelpadeiro762]

@@SauceMeGud No shit, sherlock

[@mr.raslyon6626]

Ever been to Amish country?

[@craftpaint1644]

Postman

[@miguelplaza6433]

Lanoroth Gives me vibes of Rick walking in to Atlanta with his horse

[@euroschmau]

Being a Philadelphian, I can assure you Philadelphia will become "Fily" in this world.

[@hollowhoagie6441]

Probably "fillee" Which could become "filé" Which could then become "File" In the apocalypse, Philly will be known as the city of filing cabinets

[@sciblastofficial9833]

David OMalley Filia

[@redornament3248]

Well I still don't understand

[@AWACS_Snowblind]

Rocky would be revered as a god, as an equally fictitious statue exists

[@Nikotin-jn8wf]

"I met a traveller from an antique land Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand, Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown, And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command, Tell that its sculptor well those passions read Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things, The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed: And on the pedestal these words appear: 'My name is Ozymandias, king of kings: Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!' Nothing beside remains. Round the decay Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare The lone and level sands stretch far away."

[@ianpollard4501]

I liked it

[@Nikotin-jn8wf]

@@ianpollard4501 Thanks

[@elizabethburke3861]

In Egypt's sandy silence, all alone, Stands a gigantic Leg, which far off throws The only shadow that the Desert knows:- "I am great OZYMANDIAS," saith the stone, "The King of Kings; this mighty City shows The wonders of my hand."- The City's gone,- Naught but the Leg remaining to disclose The site of this forgotten Babylon. We wonder,-and some Hunter may express Wonder like ours, when thro' the wilderness Where London stood, holding the Wolf in chace, He meets some fragment huge, and stops to guess What powerful but unrecorded race Once dwelt in that annihilated place.

[@harshildeora1001]

Ozymandias

[@f.feher.7174]

Greek for Rameses.

[@AmariFukui]

Also a speculation of mine: The military will become the equivalent of the "barbarians" post-rome. They are the most extensively organised forces in most regions and there would be charismatic officers and generals who could potentially carve out their own regions in the name of either noble ideals or opportunities for personal advancement It reminds me of the brotherhood of steel kind of

[@boogaloobomber9889]

"Charismatic Generals" Lol, no. Most of our generals today are just bureaucrats, no more leaders. You can't really compare them to the likes of Rommel, Patton or Napoleon.

[@AmariFukui]

@@boogaloobomber9889 The Top Brass are, yes. But plenty of the Low to Mid-Level officers have leadership qualities, and when the only thing keeping you in your position is leadership ability you'll find yourself removed by ambitious lower ranking officers very quickly

[@boogaloobomber9889]

@@AmariFukui Yeah, alright. Could be.

[@fairfortune67]

They could be although I would have figured it the barbarians would be from the gangs out of Mexico and other south of the border countries

[@crazydragy4233]

I disagree, while the military is powerful it's actually a very ineffective and archaic organisation, specifically in USA. It only exists out of a political need and on the back of exploiting young people who don't have options in life. Not to mention the type of military we have is heavily dependent on industrial manufacturing of literally everything they have and break people both physically and mentally just in the training phase. At best we'd get the sort of groups civil wars in Africa are waged by which is basically just mentally unwell terrorists. Military grade is not a mark of quality after all

[@VikingMuayThai]

“It is said the warrior's is the twofold Way of pen and sword, and he should have a taste for both Ways. Even if a man has no natural ability he can be a warrior by sticking assiduously to both divisions of the Way.” -M. Musashi

[@Mirsab]

Don't quite understand, can you please elaborate?

[@BlackestSheepBobBarker333]

Very nice

[@spaceman884]

This is the way

[@BlackestSheepBobBarker333]

@@davepage2466 . 68 other people thought it made sense.

[@TheGreatPower365]

@@boscdny yes, he is saying it is a way of life, an attitude, not a skill set.

[@dunzek943]

"Great calamity strikes" Senku: *I'm gonna build civilization from scratch. This is exciting*

[@kingslushie1018]

DunZek DR.STONE

[@Crick1952]

I was thinking the same tbh 😅

[@hopeprevails3213]

My guess would be that those guys from Sentinel Island will be just fine

[@voivodadracula1936]

The plot twist is that they develop to a bronze age empire level in this dark age, conquering india and southeast asia

[@persiantiger8982]

@@Oussama-sabouh Iran* Persia is for Farsi(s).. Iran is for all Iranians.

[@panzerbanz7296]

@@voivodadracula1936 Yea we cough on them and they are dead, and Im not talking about Corona.

[@persiantiger8982]

@@Oussama-sabouh And? You think every nation on earth should have democracy? We have our ways of governing. Also Iran I'd very old.. "Persia" (which is a part of Iran) was actually called Iran by us locals.

[@voivodadracula1936]

@@panzerbanz7296 well there goes the Sentinel Empire, all because of coofing and "step" familly -pøřñ-

[@Chidsuey]

Me, huddling for warmth in a dilapidated room, starving, staring blankly into the exposed wall as snow drifts in from a hole in the roof: I wonder if there's a new Fire of Learning I've missed.

[@hydrolito]

So why don't you cover the hole in the roof? Home Depot, Menards, Lowes should have ply wood, tar paper and shingles and nails to patch a hole in the roof.

[@dbrown9495]

Better learn some of those native and primitive skills!!

[@nathandessalegne3970]

I think about this often these days..wish more people had enough interest in comparing history/history itself so people can see obvious repeats

[@chileanguyfleegman]

History does indeeed go in circles. To know history is to deduce the future.

[@sinoroman]

hard to imagine a military general charging into the senate and the white house

[@mediamattersismycockholste562]

for instance.. "COMMUNISM IS BAD".

[@donotcare57656]

Well, if history does repeat itself, we'll have an American empire before we have a full on collapse.

[@sinoroman]

@@donotcare57656 we're living in the american empire right now. not by name but by 'status'

[@KarmasAB123]

"People would tell stories about their founding fathers..." So, Teddy Roosevelt and Batman finally become one?

[@baneofbanes]

Jacob Friedman Everyone knows Teddy would beat the shit out of Batman in a fight.

[@davidblankenship8056]

I mean, have you ever seen them together in a room?

[@swampdonkey1567]

Winslow Wayne fought beside Teddy Roosevelt. Teddy will recognize Batman by his jaw line. Winslow Wayne > Batman.

[@radarlovedr]

In the future they discover an ancient rest stop and come to the conclusion it was a temple.

[@KarmasAB123]

@@radarlovedr "And here is some of the Ye Olde holy water they collected from Mountain 'Dew.'"

[@iregreteverything360]

Ted Kaczynski's dream timeline.

[@Gam3rnathan]

dudes with anime trap profile pics rlly be talking about Ted Kaczynski

[@rectitude6276]

@@Gam3rnathan Don't insult, add to the debate. I think Kaczynski was correct in his assessment of the future.

[@TheWazzoGames]

@@Gam3rnathan Lmaoooo frfr

[@deadtoallnohonornohope]

@stupid and useless no

[@stoneskull1673]

@@rectitude6276 bro shut the fuck up

[@adc4836]

Fire of Learning: “What if We collapsed like the Roman Empire?” 2020: 👀

[@neonvelvet7219]

Wait till you get to 2021

[@Cybernaut551]

@@neonvelvet7219 2121 LoL.

[@ortherner]

cringe

[@lefrancoisvincent9429]

l'année 2021 est pratiquement pire😅

[@wartrix6046]

It's Medieval Times but with guns, so basically the Old West

[@Lysergic_]

@reign claw zig zag

[@DockingFreidmanRecords]

To be quite honest the fall of the U.S. would kinda be more or less not be as much of change for a lot of people . A lot of peasants during Rome didnt experience as much change as others. Plus, the fall of Rome he's talking about is the fall of the western Roman empire which was finally destroyed in 476 CE. The eastern empire still stood however until 1453. So i guess we would still see quite a lot simarities like loss of proper education, lack of proper infrastructure, raids, war, and other things like the remanent of the United States being later conquered. Which would then finally mark the end of America.

[@drscopeify]

@reign claw 5G conspiracy is fucking sad joke that shows lack of knowledge, all that cell signals do to a human being is raise the temperature of the skin. The cellular signal causes your skin to heat up just like when holding a cell phone to your ear causes the ear to heat up. This is also how a microwave works, it is basically like a cell phone just that instead of sending the signal out in the open it does so in a box and so the signal is trapped inside and bounces back and forth in all directions and in the process it heats up the food. Now unless you lock yourself in a giant metal box with a giant cellular transmitter and power it up and being that humans are made of some 60% water it would take allot of time for a human to heat and cook to the point of death, nothing much else would happen. Cellular signals do not interact with our bodies systems as the body works on chemical reactions and not electronics. The "signals" in our bodies are that of sugar elements and protein, IE chemicals and biological processes. Magnets, electronics, cellular signals mean nothing to our bodies other than heat being generated from the signal going thorough the body.

[@neganrex5693]

We have more gun fights now than back in the old west because back in the old west everybody had a gun and the right to defined them self from bandits these days called drug dealing hoods, muggers and home invaders. Defined your self and loved ones from scum like that today in leftist states and cities they will call you the bad guy and if cops try to stop those that would do harm to you, nut cases will protest in the streets wanting to defund them. Looks like America is already falling because people won't get their heads out of their ass and vote leftist ( Democrats ) out of office. They seem to want to hand over the world to socialist China that builds death camps and cause pandemics. Come to think about the black plague came from China to for those that don't know their history.

[@coreym162]

Not even the wild west was that wild

[@MaconMedia]

When growing up on a farm in a rural area becomes an advantage...

[@Pwn3540]

Aren’t you worried you’ll eventually become a target at some point?

[@mypenisisunbelievablysmall5650]

>not being a chad hunter gatherer weakling

[@BobbyCoggins]

@@Pwn3540 If our civilization does collapse, life for those who survive will most likely be nasty, brutish, and short. Even those in rural areas. lex talionis

[@Pwn3540]

Bobby Coggins true. Your best hope is for your farm to be somewhere really remote or hard to access. But honestly, I dunno if anyone would want to be alive with the crazy rich people that would still be around.

[@norcal_faithful775]

A country boy will survive...

[@EhunterL]

I love the Charlemagne inspiration for 'The President of the United States'. If someone was to conquer large parts of Australia, the British Isles, indeed even large parts of India or Pakistan, they may claim the title of Emperor of the British Empire. There could even be three claimants to Emperors of the British Empire!

[@baneofbanes]

I’d imagine that those in India/Pakistan would go for a more local title.

[@EhunterL]

@Stella H in India?

[@OriginalBongoliath]

I don't see it being the same as the British Empire encompassed tons of different races and cultures completely alien to each other on disjointed parts of the planet that lasted maybe 200 years. The Roman Empire and even Holy "Roman" Empire encompassed a land mass that was interconnected with each other, lasted several centuries if not several millennia, and while they encompassed different languages and cultures they weren't completely alien to each other and were more syncretized than say Indians, Africans, and Chinese.

[@masterspark9880]

@@OriginalBongoliath The Roman Empire controlled most of the known world. The British empire controlled most of the known world

[@remilenoir1271]

​@masterspark9880 The Roman Empire did not control most of the known world. Scandinavia, Ireland, North Eastern Europe, Persia, most of Arabia, China, India, and subsaharan africa were all known by the romans and beyond the limes. The Roman Empire was a predominantly Mediterranean empire.

[@chizpa305]

There have been different periods of "dark ages" throughout history. Even though The dark ages more commonly refer to the period after the fall of the Roman Empire, there was another, very impactful, yes much more mysterious period of "dark age" that came right after the collapse of the bronze age.

[@tailsprowerfan2729]

i didnt know that

[@sadsader100yearsago9]

Bronze Age collapse, it’s called. There’s also the Greek dark age

[@angryveteran8585]

Astronaut in space: "wait, it's ALL Ohio?!" His partner, draws a pistol: "always has been"

[@Trump-a-Tron]

Always wanted to go visit _real_ America... and that ain't Ohayo. Wyoming or GTFO.

[@SirTorcharite]

@@Trump-a-Tron Wtf is a "Wyoming"?

[@Mondy667]

Torite Thoraiys some kind of bird but still a stupid name

[@Loriddian]

Illuminati confirmed

[@lgbtqiarights]

i keep on forgetting ohio is a thing

[@johnnyboysantiago5979]

I love how KZbin is recommending this to me *now*

[@dan-ho1zz]

Susan’s lookin out for ya

[@itsafish4600]

same

[@bonzoluv]

@Merika Ramocan could the US really be considered an empire?

[@Nintendoggy]

It knows.

[@pedropedrohan102]

@Merika Ramocan bruh

[@silveryuno]

This video is actually a great to explain how the titles of "Holy Roman Emperor" and "King of the Romans" came to be in the Mediavel Period.

[@thomascunningham5483]

At 36:45, we hear this quote: “Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.” ----- by G. Michael Hopf, "Those Who Remain"

[@maxprescott9371]

AWsome,,,,,,,,,,

[@robertabarnhart6240]

That explains what's happening now. Trump and Biden are both complete dumbasses, and between them they've created the hard times we're running into.

[@YungFemto]

I feel like Texas,New York, and California would be their own thing

[@noxvenit]

As a Texan, I approve this message.

[@matthew8153]

Nox Venit Damn, you beat me to the joke.

[@m.thorton9305]

considering New California Republic exist in Fallout games....

[@jesseblack2285]

Nox Venit god damn right

[@54032Zepol]

Texas would swallow its neighboring states and parts of Mexico then implode as mass influx of refugees from the hinterlands of americas causes the breakdown of infrastructure , insufficient security, and lack of common goods allows a thriving underworld to slice up their part of the country like fuedal barons.

[@SteveHovland]

A lot of people started gardening this year.

[@guessmyname1246]

I can confirm that

[@darianrose2195]

Due primarily to Covid and more people having more time on their hands, as well as fear of food supplies thanks to the panick hoarders. But what about after this pandemic has passed? Will those gardens be maintained, next year? I'm not so sure it'll last.

[@tangobayus]

@@darianrose2195 I think a lot of people will continue to have difficulties for years to come.

[@tangobayus]

@Magne M Basil is so precious that they fly it from the Middle East to the East Coase of the US.

[@jimmym3352]

I live in the desert. Sure you can grow with water we get from Lake Mead, but that's irresponsible to grow things where I live. If everyone did that, we would quickly run out of water.

[@somerandomguy4919]

New nations arises from the ashes The New California Republic The Brotherhood of Steel Caesar's Legion Mr House's New Vegas

[@Drabbo]

SomeRandomGuy Ad Victoriam

[@somerandomguy4919]

@@Drabbo Degenerates like you belong to the Cross

[@itstriplem2069]

Imperium of Man

[@thatguyonthebusthatstaresa7437]

The Floridian Empire

[@Echani3007]

"No matter your flag, wear it proudly at the Hoover Dam" - Ulysses.

[@xeroxsaw1303]

Europe: First time? Asia: Welcome to the group kiddo, we got milk 🥛 and cookies 🍪

[@alejandroe3616]

“But do you guys have financial stability to give”

[@gabriellesmith5661]

Native Americans would probably disagree 😂

[@MrBig913]

I feel like we're moving towards a Cyberpunk type dystopia rather than an apocalyptic collapse.

[@MrBig913]

@Deadass, b I've read 1984 and fahrenheit. I don't think we live in the ladder but 1984 we're getting there.

[@PabloHoney19]

@@MrBig913 Some countries do live in 1984, North Korea is very much that, and others like Venezuela, China, Russia are distopian aswell.

[@PyrusFlameborn]

Would a cyberpunk apocalyptic dystopia be possible or do you need a modern organised society for cyberpunk?

[@-CrimsoN-]

Yeah probably. Depends on how late stage capitalism will play out.

[@madmachanicest9955]

Personally i would tack the end of the world

[@jorgecastillo3574]

And to believe that all of this started with a single gorilla.

[@asanti3748]

The Greatest Ape, Lucy

[@moistrophile9663]

Harambe?

[@ayandragon2727]

Justin Ray ?

[@dodododdododod5698]

@@Justin-lk2gt he was talking about harambe i think its a meme

[@jimmym3352]

@@apollo_g3471 Have to call out racists when I see them.

[@voivodadracula1936]

In the grim darkness of the 41st millenium, there's only war.

[@fakebunny1272]

warhammer?

[@viacrucishector1821]

FakeBunny12 Yep, by the glory of the God Emperor

[@stormyprawn]

Death to all those who oppose the Imperium of Man!

[@Otterdisappointment]

*AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!*

[@nhandahooker]

It unifies

[@leoortega6370]

Is it just me or do you ever imagine how it would feel like to live one day during the peak of Roman Empire

[@pedropedrohan102]

there's still feces being thrown out of the road

[@masterspark9880]

I think it would be terrible. Especially if you’re a slave

[@SDArgo_FoC]

@@masterspark9880 Less terrible a thousand years before and after

[@remilenoir1271]

​@@SDArgo_FoC Uh, 13th century Europe would be pretty good as far as I'm concerned. Unless you're a jew that is.

[@SDArgo_FoC]

@@remilenoir1271 yeah pre-1204 bzanrium

[@phlvn100]

This is more like thr bronze age collapse then the roman collapse. I mean a globalized society collapsing all together at the same time? I will just say one thing: sea people

[@FGBFGB-vt7tc]

You are a man of culture ;) . Have a nice day!

[@FGBFGB-vt7tc]

You are a man of culture ;) . Have a nice day!

[@EmpireTVDragon]

Who will be the sea people of today?

[@phlvn100]

EmpireTV(Dragon) facists

[@robertstuckey6407]

@@EmpireTVDragon the sea people never left. They bide their time. . . Always watching . . . Waiting . . . Preparing for the time to strike

[@aspen1606]

This honestly gives me more Bronze Age Collapse vibes than Roman ones

[@krispyboi2519]

Family Guy Delvinacht same

[@jonc67uk]

Yep, awkward much. 😕

[@aspen1606]

@@jonc67uk Not really, the bronze age collapse is way more intresting than the fall of rome. Rome's fall was more akin to new management and the beginning of a darwinian evolution of technology and ideas. The Bronze age actually saw civilizaton set back over a millenium.

[@jonc67uk]

@@aspen1606 which is why it's liable to be awkward, what with the climate shift & large areas becoming uninhabitable due to temperature rises & weather pattern shifts & the current massive population numbers. That'll make the volume of the sea people look like an undersubscribed coach trip. .

[@SG-ct2tb]

By 'Rome collapsed do you include Constantinople collapse or are you solely referring to Western Rome collapse? Because, when Rome collapse in Italy in the gift century, much of western Europe was also considerably set back technologically and politically speaking.

[@titanicwang2044]

My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings; Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair

[@KyleEricksonPoetry1617]

“Nothing beside remains. Round the decay Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare The lone and level sands stretch far away."

[@goodyeoman4534]

I met a Traveller from an antique land...

[@DeepInsideZettaiRyouiki]

Fucking cultist man... demon puppets.

[@bendover9813]

I’m a service electrician, so I’d have an easy time getting into the villa 😂

[@malaysianmapping9767]

I’d be the first to hire u, ~if ur in my country perhaps~

[@wastelanddv8062]

I’m President John Henry Eden. My Fellow Americans we will rebuild. We will bring this country back. Join with me. Join with the Enclave and we will make America Great Again. I’m President John Henry Eden President of the United States. President of America. President of the Enclave.

[@Otterdisappointment]

John Henry Eden Christ I’d be very tempted (assuming I’m not considered “sub-human” by some schizophrenic snake oil salesman)

[@lennysmileyface]

You're no Dick Richardson but you've got my vote. At least you aren't some kind of computer thing like the Master.

[@Otterdisappointment]

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) The master? The master is just a myth created by the NCR to scare people into annexation. Whoever heard of a computer running a country? It’s not like they’re sentient.

[@mike7652]

Have you appointed a Minister of Justice yet? If not I'm your man!

[@itsfreezey5782]

He is a Manchurian. His attempt to usurp my authority will be met with extreme prejudice.

[@hjp14]

As an Ohioan, I look forward to our inevitable rise as a North American great power. Great video!

[@subliminalmindfuck454]

Nope not gonna happen. Instead the New California Republic will rise up and become the dominant power on the west coast, and eventually all of North America.

[@hjp14]

@@subliminalmindfuck454 not if the Khans kill Tandi before the Vault Dweller can save her

[@ls200076]

*Distant Texan noises*

[@ddocksta]

As someone who has visited Ohio many times, I don't think it will rise to greatness.

[@jimmym3352]

He was right to predict their rise to power being such fertile farmland. Though the South might fare a little bit better with a little bit longer growing season. Us people in the West would fare the worst. I would die off fairly quickly since I live in the desert.

[@hellboy6507]

Society would look like medieval times, but instead of longbows, we’d use either simple automatic rifles or bolt-action guns. The Warlord Period in China during the early 20th century would be a good comparison.

[@SpaceRaptor510]

@Thunder Life Well eventually factories and industry could be reestablished so I doubt in some places the factories might never close. It would depend on what they make and all but it wouldn't surprise me if things like steel mills or machine assemblers continued to function. I feel like some cities might be close to modern living standards while others might be at levels more akin to the pre industrial world.

[@SpaceRaptor510]

@Thunder Life Some factories that functioned before computers would be the more likely ones to survive. Also I don't think it would be medieval in nature I would think the world would return more towards a early 1600's-1700's era vs being a complete return to fedualism. Most people in the west at least like the ideals of democracy so a form of it might continue to exist

[@theultimatehangover7576]

very crudely made ww2 style weapons like mosins and sten guns with wood furniture and bronze/aluminum cast parts, prone to stoppages and repairs would become the norm among foot soldiers in wealthy regions that could produce cased munition [smokeless powder needed for conventional modern weapons would become a mystery like roman concrete virtually everywhere that isn't sealed up by fuckin vault tec]. garage-made mac-10s and break-action shotguns would be common among competent groups of bandits and highwaymen. hunters likely will go back to muzzle loaders and bows as cased weapons would be too costly to load and maintain unless they had a militant occupation. Modern body-armor would become a thing of the past fairly quickly as kevlar helmets and ceramic plates are designed to be disposable, interchangeable elements of modern armor systems, rather than personally fitted, maintenance-heavy pieces like those of the dark ages and antiquity, so guardsmen and soldiers would probably wear more padded armor to deal with shrapnel from improvised explosives and go back to using steel helmets with canvas helmet covers. I imagine warfare would also take place on a smaller and more personal level wherein battles would be fought with 100s of men, rather than thousands and take hours to minutes to conclude, rather than days or weeks. Because of this; camouflage on the battlefield might fade into obscurity, left for colored jerseys or special head dresses as men would need to more easily identify their limited comrades on chaotic smoke-filled battlegrounds where firefights instead of taking place at 300-500 meters take place at [if not under] 100 meters. To counter their colorful exposure and because of crude ammunition, they might go back to infantry using pavises like so: [ i.redd.it/3a464oi8lvcz.jpg ] while cavaliers engage foot soldiers using polearms or bows just because ammo is costly. so yeah, that sounds fairly accurate.

[@theultimatehangover7576]

@Thunder Life ask anyone who's been enlisted: after 20 years of use and exposure, guns stop working the way they're supposed to. Eventually all metal parts will be stripped and all the polymer will go brittle, and that's assuming the people using them have the supplies and discipline to keep them maintained after a couple generations. Even in WW2, countries by mid-war had to simplify to their weapon designs and often, adopt cheaper arms to keep up with tight budgets and iron shortages. If bullets filled with smokeless powder stop sitting on shelves, even places that can produce them, won't need to as simpler and easier to produce weapon designs would be adequate for combat against most threats that can't produce the same tier of arms. Gonna stop seeing ARs and glocks on the open road in favor of revolvers and bolt actions early as two generations down the line.

[@benjamingrezik373]

"simple automatic weapons" lol

[@latinhero1818]

Imagine if you got a religion based on Lord of the Rings and JRR Tolkien's stories.

[@deutschgaming4109]

I think we could have a similar situation to the post numenor collapse if civilization collapsed in our timeline. People would speak of a great society rivaled by none until it was brought down by its own sins.

[@nuralibolataev4474]

Why does this sound like something that will happen?

[@brandonmccork781]

The republic of Dave would really be the only solution

[@cristianvillanueva8782]

Preach it

[@andrewholmes2850]

All hail dave

[@andrewbowen2837]

He's a sore loser though, and gets killed by death claws

[@jaybee3999]

Bring on the collapse

[@lan6139]

Nah another settlement needs your help I'll mark it on your map. Edit: Wait no PAM wants to see you in her room... again... so she can send you to University Point to kill a courser... again...

[@Philtopy]

Id really like to see a movie or novel in such a setting. Not dramatically bloated up with sentient Apes or Zombies or other horror nor giant driving cities. Just a movie set in a time maybe 200-400 years after the Apokalypse with a medieval or tribal vibe to it. We could see knights with Armor and firearms. We could see scholars maintaining the last computers to access knowledge. We could see "magicians" using ancient technology to operate devices or long lost chemistry to achieve wonders. The main protagonist may have an adventure to seek out an ancient place of legend, like an old powerplant" and bringing back the power to his people. Or defending his people against a rouge lord. That would be something great to watch because it would combine medieval handcraft and old technology in a hybrid that appears almost steampunk.

[@bhbh820]

The 100 is exactly like that

[@bhbh820]

If someone could suggest other shows or movies like that I would love it

[@redjeik]

the mod “After the End” in the game Crusader Kings II

[@WIGGER01]

Stephen King's dark tower is like that. The books not the movie

[@jamesmckearney5495]

S.M. Stirling wrote the "novels of change" consisting of two series. "The Emberverse" series takes place in the Pacific Northwest after technology ceases to work while the "Nantucket" series follows modern day Nantucket being relocated back in time 3 thousand years.

[@letrat7021]

What if we collapsed like Rome? America: Way ahead of you

[@splashnskillz37]

Changing through a hard time doesn't equal collapsing

[@kevinheintz4046]

Ho Lee Shi Hundreds of military bases around the world and constant wars around the world for the past 130 years say otherwise. The US is absolutely an empire.

[@josiec9249]

@@kevinheintz4046 He means the type of government, not the political power... a republic with representative government versus a dictatorship. The roman republic was a representative government made up of a senate and consul and ruled over a vast "empire" of territories (in the sense we use the word now)... it became the roman empire which still had the senate but they were largely ignored by the dictator who was given absolute power "temporarily" and it also ruled over a large "empire" of territories. This is where the word dictator comes from, though the meaning has changed a bit over time.

[@Awakeningspirit20]

2020 is the new 476, but what happened in about a hundred years for Rome is happening for us in about a decade or so.

[@allisonshaw9341]

@Ho Lee Shi Actually, the American Empire phase was back in the 19th Century.

[@TestingPyros]

Our society is built (sustained) by three things: Power (whether electrical or mechanical), Communication, and Transportation. If any of those fall, even mostly, the others will fail with it.

[@rome8531]

Imagine drug cartels in mexico forming their own nations.

[@goldenrepublic6848]

Rome the new US will ask if they want to be integrated into the new US

[@finnISHY]

That's not entirely unlikely to be honest a few cartels have an insane amount of organisation bordering that of a military not to mention that many cartels like the cjng or zetas are becoming full on militarised and are very well armed

[@ALeaud]

@@finnISHY Well seeing how many non-whites we have in the US now this is probably going to happen. There's NO WAY these "people" can run a nation........

[@FazeParticles]

@@finnISHY good, might sadly makes right. the sooner people admit that the sooner we can start funding solutions into making the mightiest of states.

[@7lumbreras]

Totally likely; along with Middle Eastern warmongers, the kind of underground organizations able to come on top after a major world collapse.

[@ashkumar9380]

"The average person would, very likely, have to go back to horses." Umm, or y'know, bicyles? 150 year old sustainable technology made from parts that can be fabricated out of scrap metal locally and empower humans for all sorts of small-scale industry.

[@KenM_1987]

Draw a fully loaded cart on a bike, or move over rough terrain on a bike. I'm waiting.

[@ashkumar9380]

@@KenM_1987 What? Are you serious? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freight_bicycle

[@donotcare57656]

Realistically I think there would be Horses, Bikes, and cars in use. Cars would of course be limited to the wealthy areas that can manage to keep old technology intact.

[@Mister3Pac]

Ash Kumar awful example

[@KenM_1987]

I know that Freight bikes exist, but what are you going to do when roads are dirt to non existent? A bike isn't going to cut it

[@danielchequer5842]

I just sent this video to my internet friends and it took a while to send the link, in this brief time I realised how in a matter of decades this may not be the case and the possibility of communicating with them wouldn't even exist anymore, giving that we are thousands of miles apart. We are living a dream.

[@Catubrannos]

The telegraph allowed long distance communication in the 1840s. Under water cables linking America to Europe were first laid in the 1850s. Besides that the old way was by ship with personal letters. There were also towers where a message using flags or morse code would be sent from tower to tower until it reached its destination but obviously not for personal use.

[@thegamelabgaming7556]

Catubrannos im still shocked how they managed the whole under water cable thing

[@jayb8934]

You're basically describing the world of The Walking Dead, minus the zombies.

[@gurusmurf5921]

"The Villi will form as the upper classes of the world realize what's going on. They will likely see it coming sooner than others." I don't think it's that they'll see it sooner, it's just that they're the only ones with the resources to take any meaningful action with that knowledge.

[@darkprinc979]

No, they'll definitely see it coming sooner. Do you really think that governments will tell the general populace about incoming catastrophe like that? Social order must be upheld for as long as possible, and so either the calamity will be barely covered at all, or it will be spun to be something other than what it actually is. Even supposing that you get a few people that know and are willing to share, they will be dismissed as lunatics or fear mongers and those that believe them marginalized as conspiracy theorists. That sort of situation will only increase paranoia as citizens become further and further divided. Quite frankly, the way I see it we are already well on the way to collapse, and you can see the exact sort of scenario I outlined here in real life today. You have governments that nobody trusts because they are proven to be corrupt liars, coupled with media that is right there in bed with them. Meanwhile you have media outlets such as Inforwars that constantly gets lambasted because of the things they cover, despite the fact that their information continually proves to be trustworthy. Let's not forget that often times when you see people of faith being portrayed in disaster movies, they tend to be either the crazy person or made to look like a fool.

[@gurusmurf5921]

@@darkprinc979 But that's exactly the point. Plenty of people see a bad end looming right now but who has the resources to do anything about it? Who has the money to build a community that would be insulated from a collapse? I'm not saying every single last person would see it coming and there are people who can't add two plus two unless there's an official announcement with the answer, but there are plenty of people who can draw correct conclusions from observation. If I knew for 100% certain that society would collapse in 2 years time I would be just as screwed as if I didn't see it coming because I don't have the resources to prepare anything more than some food and a go bag. That's just not going to cut it and I'm far from alone in that situation.

[@Smile4theKillCam456]

Mattis marches across the Potomac like Cesar did the Rubicon “The Die is Cast”

[@theeccentrictripper3863]

Mattis Caesar has a decent ring to it

[@janekfan666]

@@theeccentrictripper3863 God Emperor Mattis, patron saint of chaos

[@theeccentrictripper3863]

@@janekfan666 Blood for the Blood God and Madness for the Mad Dog

[@eliasjakob3358]

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[@DCMarvelMultiverse]

And then a technologist invades but is defeated by a barbarian with a light saber, a hot sorceress, and a Mok.

[@mr.raslyon6626]

That's basically Horizon: Zero Dawn. Go play it, it's incredible!

[@TheLegendaryStudentX]

Elias Jakob “Reign of Fire” is kind of like that, and the apocalypse is brought by dragons.

[@Yingyanglord1]

after the end a mod for ck2 has the world reverts back to the medevil age and has stuff of that nature

[@uffdainillinois]

By the Waters of Babylon by Stephen Benet and A Canticle for Leibowitz by Walter Miller are kinda like that. By the Waters of Babylon is even set in New York.

[@albiesnyder412]

Thanks, my depression really needed this.

[@theminer2526]

The Sentinelese people would probably be fine tbh.

[@Dominini]

They won't even know the shit is hitting the fan, more than likely lol

[@stefan6347]

Most of Africa would be the same

[@lavalampa123]

@@stefan6347 No it wouldnt, most areas of Africa relay on foreign help or trade, Britain and France still have a lot of influence on African countries.

[@kevinmetcalf7097]

They'd just be like, "Haven't seen any of those bigass birds lately."

[@lastannahme]

@@kevinmetcalf7097 ...they are probably wondering about it this very day already....I'd love to hear (and understand) their thoughts and conversations about the "weird" situation of the disappearing "big noisy birds" right now...on the other hand maybe they know what they are and just don't care to bother all to much - who knows.....?

[@jadonberg9364]

Think of how brutal Japan would get. So many people on such a relatively small island chain. The Samurai would be back and brutal as ever

[@kylelapointe2289]

Would it though? Japan has such a low birthrate that I don't think they would survive as a distinct people.

[@tatarsauce6314]

If by samurai you mean the military, probably

[@AWACS_Snowblind]

_Saigo's back, and he's got a fresh belt of 5.56_

[@goatskin4487]

@@kylelapointe2289 Japan birth rate would go up bevause modern technology and advances have made it si birthing children is an after thought to most people. If technology regressed they would no longer have that luxary.

[@Rudenbehr]

Yeah, RIP Japan. That country is cursed with mass deaths occuring every once in awhile. But they always pull through stronger every damn time.

[@MPHJackson7]

Well, this sure sounds like an optimistic video

[@gabrielpalma1687]

An optimistic video, for optimistic people in an optimistic time.

[@TheB00tyWarrior]

*realistic video

[@joshbautista6892]

Imagine in the new dark age you somehow find a way to mine your way back onto the internet and find everything you need to rebuild a society along with all the history on the web

[@krispalermo8133]

Down load all that you can into hard drives and store within a shield bunker to be protected from EMP and solar flares. And go with books.

[@crazydragy4233]

I don't think you understand how the internet works if you say this. Satellites don't last forever and the forest sized server rooms that store data run on electricity and need maintenance.

[@PhoenixRiseinFlame]

Imagine the loss of information if the internet is lost. Almost all information would be lost. Add to this the general lack of education in contemporary civilians and that is a recipe for a disaster.

[@Jobe-13]

The end of the Internet would certainly contribute largely to a global collapse. Almost everything today uses Internet. Pretty scary thought.

[@jeremynewcombe3422]

@@Jobe-13 90% sure societal collapse would be caused by a solar flare.

[@angelus_solus]

It won't be lost, but heavily censored like it is in China. Google has already begun doing that by hiding search results that "they" don't want you to see any more.

[@davidk5954]

Use duckduckgo if you are looking after controversial stuff. Censorship is rampant these days.

[@davidconnellan6875]

Buy books

[@emmanmojica3642]

Simple. The Emperor of Mankind comes out of hiding, builds the Thunder Legions to destroy the techno-barbarian warlords and unites Terra under the Imperium of Man.

[@Woldemar94]

but to that to happen we humans have to have colonized the far galaxy and have warp travels with the Golden age of technology.... we are still far from that point, sadly.

[@All2Meme]

Emman Mojica Shhhh! You're giving the plan away!

[@aymoshrooms6416]

Emman Mojica death to the false emperor!

[@pascalsch14]

That would be beautiful, finally someone with the right to rule instead of those criminals ruling today.

[@vinny5638]

Raymond Park WE GOT A HERETIC BOYS, CALL AN INQUISITOR

[@Vienna3080]

An Ancaps dream timeline with Feudal McFiefdoms

[@randomperson6988]

LOL

[@mikeoxsmal8022]

McChief John McOnlyfans, McLord of McGamestop

[@TeddehSpaghetti]

The word Ancap hasn't been in my mind or mouth for many years. Wow. It is neat to see it possibly come to fruition.

[@fakebunny1272]

you people have to ruin everything don't you leave your capitalism out of my post apocalyptic earth

[@Zorro9129]

Aw yiss

[@Kaiserland111]

As long as Preston Garvey is around, your settlement will be safe.

[@narcissistinjurygiver2932]

then a guy named "Not Sure" will show up and fix everything

[@illman8876]

Huh

[@insaneweasel1]

@@illman8876 from the movie idiocracy

[@TomAZ1984]

🖕

[@the_moo000oon]

and i sweeeaaaarrrr to yah. that hes gonna do it ALL. in ONE WEEK

[@narcissistinjurygiver2932]

@@the_moo000oon dude that movie told the present

[@Concatenate]

FACT: Every major civilization collapse started with a toilet paper shortage.

[@PileOfStones]

FACT: All civilizations that didn't foresee their fall relied heavily on a mix of nitrogen and oxygen.

[@FGBFGB-vt7tc]

You must think it is a joke, but the Venezuelan collapse started to become visible with scarcity of toilet paper back in 2008.

[@muhammadzikro9406]

laugh in south east Asian

[@13gudadod]

Wait for real?

[@chickennugget315]

FACT: Us Aussies kind of started it (sorry about that).

[@DlcEnergy]

America: **collapses** / **runs out of toilet paper** Amish: "Well, well, well, came crawling back did yas??" **Amish Paradise starts playing** "Then tonight we're gonna party like it's 1699!"

[@itstriplem2069]

I'm joining the Amish

[@Bigbadbo121]

Alright, you enjoyed your party sip of spiced milk. Now, cover up your ankles and get back to churning the butter, harlot.

[@harvbegal6868]

Modern person: "I dont have any gasoline and I have to read by candlelight!" Amish person: "First time?"

[@DlcEnergy]

@@circlingoverland4364 i'm pretty sure that's just cause they don't have to. they're still citizens of the country they're in, so they're under the same protection any other citizen is. and they're not at any threat by the rest of the nation. (yet. unlike in south africa where whites are now a tiny minority and farmers are being horrifically murdered and farms are being seized and abandoned since they don't know what they're doing. yet they're shocked that a tiny white group segregated themselves to get away from this violence... and even though there's no right to bear arms, they have to have guns to defend themselves. more threatening=less conflict. basic laws of the jungle) if the amish tried living in south africa, they'd have no choice but to arm themselves. anyway, if the entire country had joined the amish ideals from the very start, they'd have had no choice but to still maintain their own military with modern weapons and technology. otherwise they'd be just as easy to take over as the native americans were who weren't as advanced as all the europeans (mainly british). they wouldn't be that stupid. heck, i think that's also the reason they let their children decide if they want to stay or not. they don't want to keep anyone in the group that doesn't as strongly hold their values. so over time by only having ones who chose to remain, they'll be more naturally selected to their life style. not just forced. and carry that resent. which could spread doubt. and possibly lash outs. and be the end of the amish paradise. ;( - _f i n_ (insert applause)

[@pilgrim9542]

A local boy kicked me in the butt last week I just smiled at him, and I turned the other cheek. I really don't care, in fact I wish him well. 'Cause I'll be laughing my head off when he's burning in hell. I don't ever punch a tourist even if he deserves it, An Amish with a 'tude, you know that's unheard of. I never wear buttons but I got a cool hat and my homies agree I really look good in black, FOOL.

[@rory6984]

You've convinced me to build a bunker and buy an assault rifle on my farm.

[@MrControll]

Releasing this in April: um... Me, seeing this in June: UH OH

[@abc-oq7dt]

In March Europe was already reacting and locking down. The USA is the only western country to be still pussyfooting around the issue

[@thomassmestead6424]

Uh. Yeah.

[@crumb167]

We should start burying or in some way preserving "ancient" history archives and basic guides how to survive in the wild/rural society as well as records of our advanced technology in case this actually happens.

[@icarusearthbound]

Look into the long now foundation, you’ll find it interesting

[@fjack1588]

I imagine there are some good libraries in the vast underground complexes already built for the elites and elements of the military and government.

[@Sweet4chokoreeto]

"El que busca siempre encuentra" The one who searches always finds. If Chile has a PDF guide of all the medicinal herbs that grow in gardens and wild. A National archive of every publication since the born of our country... I guess other countries have that too since anything in this place any idea isn't completely original, we always steals ideas from other places. There's a web on mushrooms too. And projects to farm shiitake, portobello, oister mushrooms and digüelles at the valdivian forest.

[@lcmiracle]

@@Sweet4chokoreeto the problem with any archive is that it requires active maintenance. Artefacts (paper, art, database) all require specific environmental factors for long-term storage. Take the Dead Sea Scrolls for example, they only survived for thousands of years because they were placed in extremely dry caves that's also shielded away from sunlight. Meanwhile databases need constant maintenance as harddrives naturally fail overtime, also electricity. In a rapidly deteriorating socitetal context, these things would come under extreme threat, *if* these public sites are not looted and destroyed first (look at all the Egyptian Pharon tombs, which had all been looted even before the Europeans got to them again in the 18-19 centuries.

[@qpSubZeroqp]

@@lcmiracle completely agree

[@oneworldcommunity117]

honestly with the literacy rates being nearly 100% and the amount of books we have, i feel that people can still rebuild quickly just by learning thru books. and even if they can't, basic knowledge will still be remembered since each kid would still be educated by their parents who actually went thru education.

[@jayrox1726]

What if there's a mantle shift, asteroids or a series of mega volcanoes erupt. There will b NO books left. The video is titled "Fall like Rome" but it sounds like The NOSEDIVE of civilization. I hope you're right though 👍🏽

[@samtheman9002]

We have all the Knowledge and Wisdom at our fingertips through technology. Yet global trends at least in the West show IQ's going down, and SAT scores going down, and in general people getting stupider. China, though, and many Asian countries have IQ's going up and they seem to be getting smarter over in the east. How Did That Happen???? Oh well it's just another scooby doo mystery.

[@henryabbot8083]

Well, look! Yes. There will be educated people but the video also tackles the fall of security, the fall of industry, and the reign of diseases. Even now with the Corona Virus, we can't even get out. How much more if it is a Dark Age? Alot of your group maybe educated but how will you guys deal with violent people because of the fall of security? How will you deal with multiple powerful diseases due to a lack of medical services? And the fall of technological industry greatly affects your survivability, communication, and mobility. It is especially even harder due to the fact that modern humans are always living in comfort. You see, there are a lot of things to take into account. Civilization is complex. There will be a lot of things to affect your survival.

[@henryabbot8083]

I also do not agree with your idea of parents educating their children. Are you saying to me that they will educate their children in College level curriculums? LOL!!! No!! People will mostly just concern themselves with survival than college educations! Sorry! College life isn't simple. College life need many supports like technology, security, and high quality health to keep it going.

[@henryabbot8083]

Well basic knowledge is just that! Basic! So it won't be enough to rebuild civilization quickly if parents teach their kids basic knowledge.

[@tonyrainbolt9388]

As a member of the National Space Society, I'm hoping we construct a self-sustaining off-world settlement before anything happens. But, as EVERYTHING about our technological wonders is digital (plans, instructions, etc.) I believe any ability to rebuild that level of civilization will require to re-discover it all. The wave of religiosity you mentioned might slow that down for longer than last time. I really liked this. Thank you.

[@robertgiles9124]

I doubt we will be able to have the advanced (and very expensive) ability to go elsewhere to make a new world work....space is just too unforgiving and there's not an Eden waiting for us someplace (wish I was wrong). Before we can get out we most likely will kill ourselves. Weapons are so deadly now and humans in groups are just nuts....there has never been a time of peace for very long. We have seen too many Orwellian fictions manifest themselves. To me the best we can do is try and SLOW progress on many fronts...but most people want their iPhone for selfies 24/7 and vote for politicians who pander to the LCD. The most ruthless, like Chinese Communists will probably survive. What a legacy for humanity.

[@masterspark9880]

‘The wave of religiosity might slow that down’ yeah, it’s not like the internet was invented in religious societies and by many people who were probably religious themselves

[@tonyrainbolt9388]

@@masterspark9880 I get your point. But most of the modern world, especially the sciences, is more secular than in past times.

[@the_mariocrafter]

We would restart the old servers after a few years

[@tonyrainbolt9388]

@@the_mariocrafter But would we BELIEVE them?

[@tahunuva4254]

"Governments will become ineffective" Same old, then?

[@gogomonow]

What effective governments was he talking about?

[@tahunuva4254]

@@gogomonow I believe it was near the beginning of the theorising

[@TheRomanTribune]

Ineffective and later.. brutal

[@tahunuva4254]

@@TheRomanTribune stay inside, stay sedentary

[@tahunuva4254]

@Egg T Rome lives on in the same way restaurants live on after the coronavirus.

[@lordoflek]

Very good, but I think you've underestimated the wide dissemination of knowledge... Every town of two thousand has a library that possesses all the knowledge needed to rebuild. The printing press was a game changer for staving off complete collapse.

[@goldiefatale]

@lima leaf frog those people would still exist and people could apprentice to learn. Even i have basic plumbing and mechanic skills...

[@Arms.Enthusiast]

So for all the people who this video spooked: learn something that would be useful in the collapse, woodworking, masonry, metalwork, agriculture,rope making, boat making. Something that will help your local community be stronger in case of such an event.

[@Awakeningspirit20]

I agree. I already have the small chili pepper 'farm' that I do. Not many people focus on things like that. In the southeastern climate, this stuff can actually grow even if it's native to tropical lands. I'd rip out the grass in my parents' yard and turn that into the family farm and sell the peppers at market. I just have to improve my methods and master the art of pepper farming. I also do carrots, beets, onions, corn, and kale which to differing degrees are useful. The biggest problem is Big Ag I think makes the plants' seeds infertile, which will really hurt us.

[@allisonshaw9341]

I grew up in a farming and military family, learned how to raise food, and we still practice traditional medicinal methods (as in Native American), learned to hunt, fish, and forage, survive in the wild, fight and defend ourselves, how to tan hides, and use plant matter to make thread, cloth, and paper. How to purify water, etc. Basically, we'd survive.

[@swolejeezy2603]

Aaaand it’s carpentry for me boys

[@ludmillavrska7116]

swords

[@Dilandau88]

E-sports?

[@MrCher2]

What a coincidence! That picture at 12:30 with the horses and a mountain in the background was taken near my home. I go sometimes there for a walk. In fact, I know the person who took it because he is a workmate of mine. The mountain in the background is Peñas de Aya (or Aiako Harria in Basque). It's in Gipuzkoa (Spain), next to the border with France. In the skirts of that mountain you have a place called Arditurri, where you can visit a lot of strangely beautiful old mines with long corridors that are said to be carved by the Romans.

[@pedropedrohan102]

ok

[@robertabarnhart6240]

That's cool!

[@ortherner]

kool

[@Bubblegob]

I feel like there's one thing often overlooked in those case of scenarios : Local Libraries, in most occidental country even villages do have a quite extensive library of books and while they might be destroyed for some, I think that our media-savy culture even after a collapse would like those quite fondly and since those written records are far more prominent as they ever were ('cause mass producing of books you know) and so common, I do think it would help a lot into maintaining culture after such a collapse, at least for a time.

[@chasethomas6666]

Y’all ever heard of Alexandria ?

[@Bubblegob]

@@chasethomas6666 Isn't the main fact about Alexandria that there's like one of it and it could be found only in Alexandria?

[@Zorro9129]

Well, governments are increasingly censoring what books are available and the intention is to skew future generations' perception like in 1984. The existence of digital and long-lasting copies however shows that there is hope.

[@chasethomas6666]

Wasn’t meant to be a criticism to you just a thought

[@Torus2112]

The universities would become monasteries like in A Canticle For Liebowitz.

[@themattsterdn1824]

I don't feel the knowledge we have now would be completely snuffed out. We wouldn't completely forget how to produce or build things, we simply wouldn't be able too. All of the books in the world cant be burned, and all of the tech wizards in the world can't be slain. The knowledge of the past wouldn't be completely forgotten, as seen in the renaissance, It would merely be covered until rediscovery. The world as a whole wouldn't forget that we landed on the moon, there would just be little way to prove it until society re-stabilized. I love this video and it is an interesting timeline.

[@TheRomanTribune]

Watch the show, Revolution. It's quite possible

[@LuvBorderCollies]

That's pretty much what I think also. All our knowledge, general and technical, is only useful IF you have the ability to use it or in other words, make it happen. The US would barely be a medieval society BUT without the life skills medieval societies had. The most useless people would be the average urban dweller who has zero skill in crops, land prep, crop production, overall knowledge of how nature actually works, etc. Work ethic is highly critical in addition to skills. Lazy people have never gotten far in world history.

[@RemoveChink]

How many people actually know how the devices that run our world actually work? Its a very limited few.

[@kimwarburton8490]

There's a a book that tells you how to rebuild society. i bought it incases lols. even tells u how to build a printer n make paper to copy n redistribute the book

[@L.CROSS0]

kim warburton what are the titles of the books? They sound very interesting to read.

[@theuglykwan]

When Rome fell, western europe fell into the dark ages. After they had the renaissance. That was helped by knowledge that was preserved by the church, the muslim world and byzantium. We could recover faster in the same manner if we preserve our knowledge. Have some self sufficient communities set up so they retain literacy and perserve the knowledge. A bit like the way we have many seed banks. That way things won't need to be independently rediscovered again and our technology doesn't become like magic or legends.

[@Gogglesofkrome]

the mormon cults would be pretty much trying their hardest to take over the US in such a collapse, as it's a part of their religion to believe that america will be theirs the moment the country collapses or whatever

[@dsdy1205]

Not actually sure that intelligence banks might help. You now have very localised sources of strategically crucial information, that would become flashpoints for conflict.