What If You Drill a Bowling Ball Upside Down??

Kris Prather drills a bowling ball (Zen Master) Upside Down and checks out what happens and if the ball motion is any different!
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[@sw.]

As a disc golfer who is getting into bowling as an off-season activity, I can truly appreciate the discraft vulture hanging on the wall in the background 🥏👀

[@maxostapchuk5416]

Saw that too

[@scotttilbert8141]

I suck at throwing a Frisbee

[@trickier8742]

Same bro

[@buttcrumbles5727]

I played a local course this week and saw some people out there then later that night saw the same group at a bowling alley for dollar games. The crossover is real

[@themoparmafia5306]

@@scotttilbert8141 “it’s a Disc not a frisbee”

[@davidallison7480]

I have found that what you tested here is relevant for you. Your rev rate, your speed, etc. "Upside down" exactly should result in similar reactions. However, bigger differences would be due to ball weight differences like top weight and pin distance from the CG. Believe it or not in the 90s it was found that rotating the label 90 degrees on Balls had some good effects. However, I think once again this was due to Pin placement relative to CG. Pin to PAP gives a driller a way to make a consistent layout for differences in primary release patterns.

[@lukedoyle5637]

Just judging off of the warm up shots it seems like the ball might be starting to roll too early and deflects a bit much resulting in flat 10s. However chris is a great bowler therefore I think he will make the adjustment and shoot about 232

[@dfrost1978]

I go for 230. However, what would happen if a ball is drilled on the other side (180 degrees from the pin and CG]? Curious to see that.

[@TheHouseBowling]

Might have to make another vid like that with Packy

[@greggas1]

I know the cg placement doesn't affect performance, but with the thumb hole THAT far away from the cg, are you sure the static weights were legal?

[@GhostofKaiser]

So what *is* in your league bag(s), Mr. Prather? You actually did better than expected. This was a fun video to watch.

[@aaronbargotta]

0:12

[@tomatowado3222]

Watched this video again because it came up in my feed and now I have the question of does the track rolling over the logo affect anything?

[@Its_bryan_time]

I say 234. The zen master is a great ball and I have a feeling it’ll carry even if there is a drastic change between being “upside down” or not.

[@grantschoeck]

Hey guys I have a question, I have a Motiv Jackal Rising and my home lanes are really heavy oil and the pattern seems to be oddly long. I was thinking of taking the surface down with 500 then 1000. Is this a good idea? I know my ball is made for heavy oil, but I feel like it’s still not reading early enough.

[@wanderingvagabond9079]

Whoa! Wasn't expecting to see Jesse Gibson in your video at 0:34! He was on the Vincennes University bowling team too! What pro shop is he working at??

[@davidmarekjr1173]

I'm guessing 223. I'm still surprised when people are shocked by where the CG goes in a 1 handers symmetrical ball. Mo explained this a long time ago, when you drill a thumb hole in a symmetrical ball the CG is now in the thumb. Pin to pap and Val angle are the only things that will matter.

[@alexlefebvre930]

Mo knew 10 years ago what a lot of people are just now figuring out in masses. Dude was so ahead of everyone else in technology it's insane.

[@shenron2k5]

PSA not MB but yes.

[@FredSoDak]

What happens if you drill by using the PSA as the Pin; and the Pin as the PSA for your layout; on a strong asym?

[@biddle0785]

I bet he will shoot 236. Love the vids. Edit: Holy crap I was only 1 off!!

[@bofadeeznuts469]

Serious question. What kind of knife was that that he was using to trim up the finger inserts?

[@marshallgeorge3819]

Prather has a very nice relaxed form - he would have done well in the 1980's with short oil patterns and Urethane.

[@TheHouseBowling]

I would agree but it’s funny because he tends to struggle sometimes with urethane!

[@DarrenDolezel]

I have a bunch of questions about drilling I just bought 3 balls all drilled correctly I get very little hook in fresh oil.

[@paulmcewen5627]

Interesting video. I used to drill balls in the dark ages (1980s) when all you worried about was finger weight and pitch. Is this not evidence that you just need to be a great athlete and adjust to whatever is in your hand? For sure, some conditions require different gear, but becoming a slave to your toolkit seems dangerous. (This reminds me of the famous trumpet player compliment: "That horn sounds great!" Nothing to do with the player.)

[@iiarsenalii9338]

Thats because they werent reactive as today…

[@tomhammen3408]

I'm gonna guess the guy on lane 39 shot around 52.

[@huldrabrothers619]

Looks like it’s Packy practicing his spare shooting.

[@theboidiff]

I’m gonna guess a 226. Even if it’s drilled differently, he’s still good enough to figure out how to throw the ball correctly. Chris is a beast lol

[@brianlevandowski3167]

Does that make a difference gluing the grips in on a slant and cutting off the extra, most shops just put them in level. Even with a lot of pitch is drilled. I want to see how you drill the top sleeve to his thumb slug instead of the ball too. What's his spec sheet look like ?

[@nchuntingandfishingunlimit5597]

Good game but does the CG matter if it is drilled for a no thumb 1 hander vs a traditional grip bowler?

[@AldoZanelli]

I'd say 218 👌🏻 CG placement has almost no effect, but it's an interesting video for sure! I've tried something similar with a ball that has the CG to the left, something that was drilled for a lefty while I'm a righty, and I've seen practically no difference.

[@michealmaley3566]

Question.... Did the ball after drilling meet USBC weight rules?

[@jacobjackson6337]

I used to get lessons from Jessie when he was at VU. I thought it was kinda funny that I watch you guys and now he works there.

[@leftylang2708]

i'm going with a 212. I feel like ball will roll the same as it normally would, but I feel like after seeing the practice shots, a lot of ringing 10 pins will be left standing.

[@Lefishn]

I have the same head size as you so what brand and model are your glasses so I can find someone in town who has and try out

[@Kawboy65]

I drilled a goofy type of "upside-down" layout with a pro-pin blem. The ball had something like a 9"+ pin to CG distance. I read a recommendation to mark a "pseudo pin" directly opposite of the real pin, and use that with the CG to drill a "normal" layout. Made sense in theory. Long story short, the ball flared backward over the middle finger hole.

[@johnstreetz4831]

I've done the same but it worked, symmetrical ball. If the top weights are low enough I think now I would use pin and ignore cg

[@remington1439]

It’s good to know that CG doesn’t matter’ buddies pro shop is great. You hear a lot of ppl( bowlers) say CG does matter, but I always go by buddies Pro shop. Great video

[@ethandavis7310]

Wouldn't raising cg reduce rev rate in one handed bowlers?

[@TheHouseBowling]

Not anything that would make a difference!

[@ethandavis7310]

@@TheHouseBowling You're probably right I'm just a physics nerd

[@gingersnap2635]

I love this channel it has helped me so much I am a semi professional bowler and this channel keeps my drive going

[@smileymarshn7973]

That means it becomes a back up ball below the equator right?

[@jdnance168]

Hello, buddies pro shop? Yeah, lookin for Matt. I need a ball with a 1 9/64 inch pin to cg and 3.14159 oz. Top, plus or minus 0.003 oz..... drilled so the labels never hit my track. and overnighted. You ship to fairbanks, right???

[@wnsduf1]

What the heck! What is the chance that you're actually were bowling at my hometown bowling alley🤣

[@TheHouseBowling]

Nutmeg?

[@wnsduf1]

Yess!!! I was literally just there and Chris was watching you guys!!

[@danslater1025]

Here is my question. Is the ball legal. What is the top weight on it now?

[@GennyI3eerDrinkr]

I'm confused. You said a top weight LESS than 2.5 oz, but yours was 2.67 oz, which is MORE. Plus, the short pin should make no difference on an upside-down layout, but would a longer pin make a difference??

[@haynlavaboy]

i'd say about 227, Mo Pinel said in a video that the CG doesn't matter and I have been drilling balls according to the pattern on the ball vs using the 6-3/4 through the CG to make the rotation more visible downlane especially on solid colored balls. I thought the video was going to be drilling completely upside down with the pin on the bottom on the ball, would probably be USBC illegal though, had a 2 handed og hy-road drilled that way but it had a weight hole which is now illegal.

[@louieatienza8762]

Nothing new... we drilled a few balls like this about 20 years ago for a client. But back then you needed to drill a weight hole past the CG to make it legal, so we needed the client to throw the ball a couple times so we could put the weight hole in the first flare line and just missing the second, to make it legal. And it wasn't our idea - it was in an issue of BTM, and I believe it was a drill pattern Danny Wiseman used. Our particular client liked to play outside and was relatively up the back, and he averaged 700 for an entire season with the drill pattern in a second shift league. So it's really a control layout. Nowadays with no weight hole I'm sure the reaction is a lot different.

[@bigyodatheman]

Comparison to the same ball drilled right side up?

[@mikemcgovern9053]

Symm balls wont different at all. But asymm take away the power hook and smooths it out to more of a Symm layout

[@drwisdom1]

My wife decided she needed to bowl. So we pick a ball but the guy drilled it right handed even though order showed she is left handed. Ball wouldn't hook and I immediately figured it out. Driller didn't care said she is beginner so doesn't matter. Shop owner fixed it yielding hook.

[@jordancritesponyexpress5747]

That would be great to use on something a little long ??

[@Stealth170rl]

How does one "add more rotation" to allow the ball to store more energy on the back of the pattern?

[@mtburr1089]

In the case of what Kris is talking about here, he’s getting more around the side of the ball at release, increasing his axis rotation. The more on the side of the ball you are (as opposed to up the back of it) the closer you get to spinning the ball like a top. This causes the ball to skid further down lane. The reduced friction from the skid motion causes the ball to store its rotational energy for longer and will break harder coming off the back of the oil pattern, down lane. This harder hook down lane increases angle into the pins and helps the ball continue at that angle through the pin deck. It’s just a way to keep the ball from rolling too early, and increasing the energy it comes off the back of the pattern with. It can be a double edged sword however, as this increased angle maximizes the penalties for bad shots.

[@davidnelson5381]

Kris must be a fan of the song 'Tom Sawyer', because he clearly is...The River! dana-dada. dana-dada. dana-dada. ba ba ba ba banaba!

[@theinsaneshecklador6598]

Mo said something along the lines of put the CG of a symmetrical ball wherever the hell the customer thinks it should be because it doesn't change the roll of the ball at all. I'm guessing Kris will bowl just fine with this layout.......maybe high 230ish?

[@SerButtKiss]

thank u for making a video on how i bowl an showing it makes little no difference. but the fun begans when u do a asymetric ball like the phisix an my ball katana legend, an aplha crux

[@emmanuelmcpherson7669]

Packy shooting corner pins while kris bowls is my favorite part of the video

[@phychmasher]

omg as a complete outsider I am just absolutely loving all the inside baseball in this video. Would I still love it if I weren't high? Time will tell.

[@ChristopherObrien-ob6hj]

193 aka I love the gloabal zen bowling balls 🥰🤙

[@pequals34]

RIP Mo Pinel. He's said for forever that CG on a symmetrical doesn't matter

[@cicciova]

PBA's smoothest and most beautiful release

[@Dima-ASMR]

Hey what's the song name at 2:00?

[@Pointless-fishing-adventures]

Maybe truly drill it upside down. Use the quarter scale to map the pin on the other side of the ball. Then use that with the same pin to PAP. Don't worry about the weight as it will be over on top vs bottom. In theory it should flare backwards with the same bow tie points. We did this a million years ago with the Brunswick phantom. (It used a Saturn ring style core)

[@nana-lt5gy]

Drill a bowling ball pin down side to side in a Straight line.

[@zackharper1308]

177. Thinking it's gonna be close but not too forgiving with some leaves.

[@nathanmccrary87]

Learning new things every day. Great video!

[@TinyRiceCat]

I’m gonna have to say about 225 or 230 something. I don’t believe that there would be much of a difference with the ball being drilled “upside down” given that it is symmetrical, but maybe the idea of it rolling different might cause him to bowl somewhat differently. Or there might need to be an added element (ie rotation, speed, etc.) in case the drilling makes a huge difference.

[@TheHouseBowling]

Maybe we should come out with a true upside down layout

[@bryantwiseguy5763]

What’s your favorite ball for a normal house shot?

[@djrickysmith]

He's correct.. CG doesn't matter. Brunsnick did this video over 10 years ago.

[@TrandafirRuby]

9/ X 9/ X X X 8/ X 8 [split] 1 XXX. For 216. So I bowl as a full roller 2 hander. I've thrown pin up for awhile before I got my fit rechecked cuz my oil track was getting closer and closer to my finger holes. The pin up stuff for me goes super long and tumbles and having a hard time getting a 1:1 roll and not going through the pins easily. Full roller layout reads the mid part of the lane and has a nice 1:1 roll and it's very predictable. Using the purple hammer feels like a super strong super early reactive ball instead of urethane for me. When I shoot at my 10 pin for a strike from 2/3rd arrow, I usually cross over.

[@joshuamyers5116]

This is ironic I just did this Thursday. And I liked it 2oz. Top 1 oz. Bottom 1.25 side very smooth

[@jimward278]

will you used this ball on the tour

[@met4lb4ze]

Shark Kent? 230..dude has some insane timing.

[@12thfan360]

219? I have been laying out my symmetricals without the drilling angle since mo said it doesn't matter now with the elimination of balance holes.

[@chancemholton6611]

They are right. Symmetrical balls mean nothing with CG. If it was asymmetric that's different..225 gme

[@DrKevGuitar]

Great vid. I’d have loved to hear Mo Pinel on this too. RIP Mo.

[@joshking8377]

I’m guessing 257. Kris is the GOAT!

[@Majic_strikes]

I have seen this in tournaments and it’s interesting to see.

[@TheSkippy70]

I'll say a 256. It looked out of power on the backend, so no 300. However, Kris will make a small adjustment to his throw and change his angles....so the ball will retain more energy during the game. That will get him striking as usual.

[@floydburgess3439]

190 with the ball Floyd Burgess L A Calif.

[@solitaryfrowns]

Maybe 215? I think it’ll shoot the same, but the “fear” of it being different might make him subconsciously throw off!

[@cheyennecarvey7918]

226

[@stuv12]

222. that number sounds nice.

[@benzogeil2402]

245 !!!!!! Kris Prather is my favorite bowler on tour!!!!!

[@bobfarrington4451]

I wish I could drill a ball upside down for fun, I cant even get a new one to throw normally anymore

[@shaunbodle899]

Love watching your videos I think a 236....good luck

[@nerahwolena8686]

What do I think Kris would shoot? 224.

[@tall_midget17]

217 Edit: Dang I was 20 off, was hoping to be close but it is what it is lol. Love the vids guys

[@DTown51]

shooting a 266 like my first game with my Zen Master :D

[@OldManGroucH]

221. Try an Asym next and see!!

[@russellgilbert3453]

Oops! I under estimated. I forgot who was throwing it.

[@Loucid.]

Don't think I've ever seen Prather shoot lower than a 250, so 251.

[@Gryf1n]

188, it will probably make a pretty big difference. Love your guys content, I always have a great time watchin!

[@NPKhero300]

221! a signed shammy would be so dope!

[@kevlin2749]

I'm guessing 210. Adaptability is the key, even if it's drilled upside down.

[@jasonsmith3537]

I can't believe you drove all the way home and changed just to do 5th and 10th frame updates...and then all the way back to finish out!!

[@dawncampbell6170]

I love my Zen Master. The ball is a beast!

[@XxHUSTLERxSTExX]

Maybe a 210? The ball might differently give or take? I would definetly have a WAY lower score cause i need more practice!

[@johnclinton6214]

I’m going with 247. Chris is a beast and could score with a basketball if he needed to

[@Dooley8317]

217. Love the videos you guys do. The randomness and info is great. Keep them coming!

[@donaldwu6043]

about 83

[@JohnDoe-iu5fb]

Do this with an asym so it actually makes a difference

[@TheHouseBowling]

Video coming!!

[@Drewbert101]

You should do this again with an Asymmetrical ball.

[@TheHouseBowling]

Hows the DV8 Medusa Sound?

[@michaelvandehey6860]

Im going to say 178, just because. Lol

[@alexismendoza6972]

Kris is a beast he’s rolling a 300!!!!

[@chayseedward5312]

Chris is gonna hit a solid 215

[@freighttrain1695]

Sorry to tell the kids on tour the reason they go to urethane is the inability to control reactive. Urethane is your backstop because of rev rate and you can use less reactive equipment and still score with rev rate.I'm 56 years old, I have no rev rate. I use the most aggressive layout for a rev challenged because I can't rev it up and never had to. You kids need to take your hand out of the ball and just get simple. Norm has done it for 30+ years.

[@Ghettonasty1914]

He will be surprise and use the layout

[@jermold]

Solid 225. Let’s get it!!!

[@jeffreybryson]

226... my guess is odd rolls through the pins and corner pins.

[@crazynuggets3344]

240 is my guess! my high is 236 but i would say that a pro bowler could beat that no problem so that is my guess