What If You're Rolling Dirty And Have To Defend Yourself With A Gun? John's Briefs

[@Captain-Electro]

I was an unarmed security guard at a software company for a while. They switched me to a bank and said absolutely NO weapons and no body armor. I had my Beretta tomcat in my pocket every day. Then I worked retail with a no weapons policy. Same thing. Now, I work in a manufacturing facility behind razor wire with our own armed guards. I still have something. As far as bars and clubs, I don't go there.

[@Desertpunk1986]

That tomcat is an underrated concealer for sure. But have you put hands on the S&W bodyguard 380?! It’s a sweet setup.

[@Chris-of6xm]

@@Captain-Electro good for you man. This is what I tell people even family members, we were at a playground the other day and I carry concealed everywhere unless it's a government building or court or something where I have to go through metal detector or whatever. But family member that knows I carry was saying I shouldn't be there while carrying concealed. I quickly changed her mind when I reminded her, all of us adults and children at the playground are all just sitting ducks for a deranged individual and the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Good on you for carrying and places that have this BS gun policy. They can be victims I too refuse to be

[@YELLTELL]

" The CONSTITUTION of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their RIGHT and DUTY to be at All Times Armed. " ~ Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Catwright, June 5th 1824

[@YELLTELL]

" If circumstances should at any time obligate the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of ARMS who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens. This appears to me the only substitute that can be devised for a standing army, and the best possible security against it, if it should exist. " ~ Alexander Hamilton Federalist No.28 January 10th 1788

[@rooknado]

@@Desertpunk1986I’ve really been looking into getting a bodyguard 2.0 seems amazing

[@PyroRob69]

You’re the second lawyer I have heard say this same thing today. Defend yourself as you need to.

[@battalion151R]

Well, yeah. If I'm alive to have stupid charges leveled against me, I'm alive.

[@russmode]

Same thought, Marine buddy and I posed hypothetical, at store, CPL, but buzzed/drunk...store gets robbed, would you defend at likelihood of going to prison for drunk with firearm/death? He said, he'd "do what he had to do.." I agreed.

[@BlueRidgeCritter]

The post office is the one that irritates me. No security, no metal detectors... But you're not allowed to protect yourself. It's not even a completely federal building, it's partly private.

[@noah.s95]

That was overturned by the courts this year.

[@oklahomahank2378]

@@noah.s95. I would wait. In the opinion the judge said this: “The United States indicted Emmanuel Ayala, a postal worker, for possessing a firearm in a Federal facility in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 930(a). Ayala argues that statute is unconstitutional as applied to him because the historical record does not support a law banning firearms in post offices.” Notice the words “as applied to him.” That means this decision only applies to him. No national order or injunction was issued.

[@noah.s95]

@ they took down the signs at every post office I go to.

[@sierraharvester]

@@noah.s95that was an “as applied” ruling, without consideration for the legality of bans in the post office. The no post office law is alive and well.

[@papimaximus95]

"It's not even a completely federal building, it's partly private." It is 100% a Federal Facility. It is NOT partly private. It is an extension of the Executive Office (President).

[@houseoflamarr3674]

9 times out of 10 I'm carrying anyway unless it's a government building

[@richardle7469]

Accidentally carry in the VA clinic, escort back to car to lock... explained LTC/private security...

[@houseoflamarr3674]

Move out of that state I moved out of New York to a very red state in the south​@@richardle7469

[@noah.s95]

For legal purposes, if a court is reading this, it was time 1 out of 10

[@1a1u0g9t4s2u]

As John alluded to in this video, why admit to breaking the law in a public forum?

[@escapedfromnewyork]

Admit breaking the law in a public forum? So what? There’s not a damned think they can do about it

[@AnthonyLoconte-u6w]

A few years ago a mom with a CCP took a wrong turn in Philly ended up in Jersey where she was stopped and arrested for the gun plus hollow point ammo. She was eventually pardoned by the governor.

[@ASPextra]

Yeah I remember. Just insane.

[@my2cents945]

I remember that case. Philly resident here. I followed that one. Don't know if today's NJ governor would give her the same consideration.

[@brianhansen6906]

I had to go to Philly once for work and I took my gun as my state has reciprocity with PA. My destination was right across the river from Jersey and if I missed my exit I could have easily ended up in Jersey. I was terrified I was going to miss my exit and end up in Jersey and end up like some of the horror stories I’ve heard of innocent people spending 5 yrs in jail for accidentally carrying in Jersey. I had thought about it a lot and was fully prepared if I accidentally missed the exit and found myself crossing the bridge to stop before I crossed over, ditch the rental, and walk back to the Philly side. That sounded crazy to me, but at least I’m certain I’m not going to jail because some cop pulls me over while I’m trying to get turned around and back across the bridge.

[@AnthonyLoconte-u6w]

@my2cents945 yup. PA resident myself. I have a FFL if ya ever want anything. I can sell you whatever ya want. Other state resident I have to go through another FFL for pistols and handguns.

[@my2cents945]

@@AnthonyLoconte-u6w Thanks. I've been in different aspects of the firearms business for many years and have an FFL who takes good care of my needs.

[@86309]

people aren't worried about getting fined, or a silly misdemeanor , they are worried about going to jail the rest of their lives.

[@Elnegro..]

Also lose thier ability to 2a

[@chupacabra304]

Then don’t take the risk 🤷🏽 It’s about doing the right thing

[@deschain1910]

Which states have those kinds of consequences for crossing those signs on non-government property? Just out of curiosity.

[@MerchantOfClicks]

State statute not posted along with sign? Consider it a suggestion. Used to carry a gun every day in a secret compartment in my backpack when going to college. We’d do active shooter drills and all be huddled in the corner of the room, all while I’m holding a backpack with something I could easily use to take care of the issue, rather than cower. No way I could have taken classes and sat there defenseless like a fish in a barrel.

[@bigk4755]

You have to be aware of the state statutes where that college is. I fully get the sentiment about I would rather have and not need it vs need it and not have it mentality. Just trying to point out how some states have specifically outlawed carrying on college campuses, and some city/state AG’s will want to prosecute you even if you did do a good thing. Stupid laws and stupid people.

[@MerchantOfClicks]

@@bigk4755 I’m aware of the statutes. Unless things have changed in my state, it’s required that the statute code is posted along with the “no guns/weapons allowed” sign and that it’s a certain size. My tech school just had a sticker in the corner of each entry door and it wasn’t big enough and didn’t have the statute on it. Either way though, even if they did, I’d still roll the dice; I’d rather take my chances with the AG than be six feet under. Given how common active shooters on campus tend to be in modern society, I needed the peace of mind. Obviously, to each their own. I made sure to keep my backpack on me at all times or within eyesight and would always take it to the bathroom with me if I had to go. Never had an issue.

[@captainmo3064]

You brought up the case in Indiana. Entering private property (mall) in Indiana they can display the sign. However according to Indiana State law the signs are not criminally enforceable. They can ask you leave. They can ask you not to enter. However concealed is concealed.

[@Rooster-q3x]

I'll take my chances with my God given right to defend myself and my family.

[@Rooster-q3x]

@3nertia God is always with me.

[@Rooster-q3x]

@3nertia and you make a big assumption that a trial follows every shooting. Ignorant.

[@williamwalker1277]

If you put GOD first in everything ,he will be there when you have to protect yourself with a gun.

[@escapedfromnewyork]

I am from NYC & I told my wife I’d leave when the risk of a mandatory prison sentence was less than the risk of not having a firearm when I need it. I left in 2021. In my last year, I was carrying (allegedly) dirty. If you act normal & don’t act like an idiot, nobody will ever know unless you need it. If you truly have to defend your life, the prospect of prosecution is the lesser of the evils.

[@papimaximus95]

"If you act normal & don’t act like an idiot, nobody will ever know unless you need it. Not necessarily true. There are numerous things that could happen. A simple traffic stop could change your life.

[@bussinmaneuvers4494]

👮🏻‍♂️👀

[@bertkilborne6464]

​@@papimaximus95 When I'm in my car, I carry legally with the gun unloaded and in a locked case. I believe that behind the wheel is the most likely place that I'd get into trouble for illegally carry. Simple solution

[@IAm03j]

@@papimaximus95before I turned 21 last month, I was allegedly (lol) carrying for 6 months “illegally”. Got pulled over twice and never got searched because they need probable cause. Don’t smoke weed, don’t have alcohol in the vehicle, don’t have the gun or magazines visible and you’re good. Can’t search you unless you do something dumb like the OP said

[@J-nd9ub]

Yeah, be cool and responsible but "stop and frisk" in the 90's in certain neighborhoods ... were not enough. Bloomberg made it "mandatory" superseding the Sullivan act. Which was a year in the joint and not mandatory

[@floridaman6138]

In FL, those signs carry no force of law. You can ignore them unless it is one of a handful of places specifically mentioned in the FL statutes as a no-go. Church, mall, movie theater, various stores - good to go, sign or not. But if they find out you have one and ask you to leave, then you must or you will be breaking the law. Don't much trust metal detectors. Have twice in my life accidentally carried a spare mag through security and metal detectors and it was not detected.

[@themightymutt5213]

In AZ, the sign must be a very specific font and size and have the ARS code at the bottom in order to carry any legal weight. Otherwise it's just a request by the property owner. Like you said, they can ask you to leave or be trespassed and that's it. Schools and gov't buildings are still no-go zones

[@Pork_Chomping_Crusader]

It is the same in NV. They are not enforced unless you're asked to leave and refuse.

[@MatthewsSloan]

I believe it's the same in Louisiana.

[@kfelix2934]

Same in TX, I can post no gun no firearms but if the signs are not IIRC with state-laws, it means nothing.

[@wsmith3849]

These are post incident “you can’t sue our business” signs.

[@RexusOutfitters]

Fascinating, but all-to-real question. Thanks for not being afraid to address it. Learned something.

[@ASPextra]

Glad it was helpful!

[@DeathlyReaper1]

Never thought I'd hear John say "That's where all the honeys are at!"

[@spectrepar2458]

4:15 thank you for saying that. I carry for general self protection because danger can strike anywhere. But if you have a thought "i really should bring my gun here" then maybe it's not a good idea to go there unless absolutely necessary. That's what gets me about the people that have a gun they do not carry on a regular basis but have it "just in case I go somewhere i need a gun".

[@matthew.tamasco]

NJ peeps, it would be charged as a felony so unless your own life is at risk, don't intervene on behalf of others who decided not to carry. General rule - there is no misdemeanor gun charge in NJ, they are basically all felony level charges. Hate to say it, but the Daniel Penny rule applies in NJ.

[@patcr606]

And Mass

[@JosephLabbadia]

And NY

[@MN-hv5xv]

Lol Penny used his hands not a firearm… and he got off, not everyone will be so lucky, so he’s not a good example 😅😂

[@matthew.tamasco]

@@MN-hv5xv Daniel Penny Rule applies to the use of self defense in general, not the method used. Can't believe I even had to point this out to someone ..

[@Rickrick911]

Bernhard Geotz is the exact example, that happened in NY but same difference.

[@sierraharvester]

Glad you brought up NM at the end. First thing that came to mind is the post office.

[@Duda4711]

Elijah Dicken comes to mind!

[@Zn0nimus]

Not gonna lie, it feels like this video was directly answering the question I posted a couple videos ago!

[@ASPextra]

Well, yay! :) We recorded it in October, so that was fortuitous!

[@Zn0nimus]

@ASPextra sorcery!

[@martinwalker9386]

Then there is the situation of someone passing out and friends taking the person to a hospital that has a, “No Weapons” sign, and the person is groggy as he goes into the ER. Even an ambulance crew may miss a weapon.

[@justindunlap1235]

That happened to me after a really bad wreck and head injury, I completely forgot about the snub nose 38 in a belly band under my swim trunks. Thankfully the sheriff was an old family friend he took it and returned it a few days later.

[@margarethouse404]

If you are actually incapacitated when third party takes you to ER , that is a slam dunk defense. Having the gun returned is a major variable.

[@AaronScutt]

In NM it's only a felony if it's a licensed liquor establishment (bar or restaurant that dispenses liquor, not just beer and wine). Passing a no gun sign in any other private property situation is a simple trespass. I haven't heard of any prosecutions for either situation but I have heard of CCW revocations.

[@causticpixel5761]

If you carry into prohibited areas (bars, etc) don't you risk losing your CC permit?

[@SkunkCreekRanch]

It depends on the state.

[@freedomspeech9523]

In VA you may cc in bars, if you don't drink alcohol. Or, if you are a police officer, then you can carry and drink too... seriously, that's the law.

[@margarethouse404]

OR , you can have a beer while armed , if you do the * Virginia Tuck * .

[@nEVeRmOre0069]

Great video. You've answered many questions I had and some I would have asked if I had thought of it.

[@ASPextra]

Glad it was helpful!

[@Andrew_D96]

I carry everywhere I go as long as it's not federally prohibited or there's not a metal detector. I have had to use it before and I didn't need a lawyer. but I live in Florida.

[@zacharybigger4144]

There are always people who will do what they want, regardless of what legal code says.... im not saying it's sane, sober, moral, or prudent, but there are people who will

[@rkb9155]

Tim’s a great guy. Used him for my ccw training.

[@badgerbusiness9059]

They should have to provide lock boxes then, just like at courthouses, jails, correctional facilities, etc.

[@escapedfromnewyork]

I WOULD tell someone to “break the law”. Laws are just societal suggestions. We all know the mala in se crimes (murder, rape, robbery etc) are wrong. I’m talking about mala prohibitum (wrongs prohibited by law). Use your head. Make moral decisions. Ignore politicians.

[@papimaximus95]

You have to stop looking at things from a self-centered perspective. In many cases we are talking about someone else's PRIVATE property - Bar, restaurant, church, mall, etc. How is it ok to violate the right of another citizen to control their property?

[@ASPextra]

*malum Also, that moral superiority is cold comfort when you're doing the time for malum prohibitum crimes.

[@IAm03j]

@@papimaximus95fair point, better to avoid those altogether or just leave it in the car

[@circlingoverland4364]

​@@papimaximus95 if they deny you your right to self defense they should be 100% liable for your safety while on premises

[@papimaximus95]

@@3nertia "Just because capitalism has everything being "owned by private owners for profit" doesn't mean it's not a public place if it's function is to serve the public ..." You are incorrect. There is private property that is defined as a "public accommodation". That is they are held open to the public and therefore can not discriminate on the normal protected list plus disability protection. Other than that, those places are 100% private.

[@anthonymcgaugh8506]

Here in Texas, carrying in any business that derives 51% of its income through selling alcohol for consuming on premises is a 3rd degree felony punishable by 2-10 years in prison!

[@vuboy122288]

There were a handful of places i saw that sign and... There was no way in hell 51% was alcohol. One of them was literally an afternoon tea place!

[@FLYPHUS]

Easy, dont go to those places. Also, with a ltc you have some forgiveness in that you need to leave the esablishment immediately if you did not see the 51% sign.

[@MichelleMartinez-tl5tb]

Gold Brother thanks!

[@UraniumEagle]

You guys are being flippant about the penalties for carrying in a prohibited place, but in many areas that is a life changing felony charge.

[@Andrew_D96]

I don't know of it being a felony to carry in a bar anywhere.

[@UraniumEagle]

@@Andrew_D96 There are many more prohibited places than a bar my guy.

[@Andrew_D96]

@@UraniumEagle listen bud, there's prohibited places and then there's federally prohibited places. Prohibited places don't mean Jack unless they're federally prohibited. So read up on that

[@ASPextra]

I feel like you didn't listen to what we actually said.

[@UraniumEagle]

@@Andrew_D96 This is completely dependent on state law. Campuses can be legal in one state and a felonious crime in another. "So read up on that"

[@deschain1910]

I have not yet spoken with an attorney to answer the question, but in NC it APPEARS from what I can find that signs on private property are enforceable but the associated infraction is only 'second degree trespass' which is only a Class 3 misdemeanor (the most minor). Not that I'm complaining, but it kind of makes you wonder why they even bother. I guess just so it has SOME teeth so the police can come to kick someone out, but why have a separate statute for that instead of just dealing with it under normal trespass laws if someone is asked to leave...

[@ASPextra]

Yeah that's not much.

[@MrBeatenpath]

i recently told somebody to leave my bar because i could see his night sights in his armpit thru his jacket that had been unzipped a bit..he was wearing a shoulder holster..he tried to argue with me that i didnt see what i clearly saw..booze and guns dont mix

[@honkhonk1555]

Concealed means concealed. JB12>CB6.

[@Paycheck708]

I carry when dancing (usually in a bar/restaurant) 4-5 nights each week. The owners of my most frequent dance venue know. There’s a no guns / knives sticker on a counter that is usually covered up, but no “real” sign anywhere. That said, tonight is a show with wands and detectors on the way in, so I’ll be locking my tools up for the evening. :(

[@papimaximus95]

"I carry when dancing" I know an FBI who did the same thing...did not work out well for him.😁

[@victorswenson7054]

Don't fund what you disagree with.

[@Paycheck708]

@@papimaximus95 ha! No hand stands or flips for me 😂

[@andyprairiedog]

Agent: "oops" @Paycheck708: "check this out".

[@andrewbertubin7634]

You mean you’re a stripper?

[@dawudasha977]

4:28 good girls at church! 😂 That's a good one

[@the_beauty_around_us]

I wish this info was available for South Africa

[@brandonthomas899]

Thanks for this video. Love this and your main channel

[@ASPextra]

I appreciate that!

[@trussmonkey5910]

Reminds me of the Simpson's quote. I'm a sign, not a cop.

[@seanedwards6169]

It's an easy answer if you get into a life or death situation - yeah the potential prosecution for carrying dirty is irrelevant. But what's more problematic is getting caught carrying in an impermissible environment when there is no extenuating life or death scenario. That's a real risk you have to consider every time you choose to carry where it's not allowed. Make sure your concealment is solid, and don't walk into places with metal detectors.

[@ASPextra]

💯 agree

[@calebdoner]

So I've got US law shield membership. They will only represent me If I am legally carrying. So if I'm behind a no gun sign when I defend myself (North Carolina) they won't represent me. Makes me wonder if it us even worth having a membership.

[@ScrappyXFL]

Yea, I'm going to go to AOR.

[@Lady-Kawai]

Don’t print if you carry in prohibited places, I know a pta group who makes it a mission to call police to report it

[@ASPextra]

Sad but true!

[@CAROLESYEAST]

If your life is on the line …the last thing you should be thinking about is the law …if someone is trying to kill me , I’m not gonna sit there and ask myself” did I smoke pot today ? Or did I drink a couple beers before I left the house ? Or Is my gun stolen? “ …Absolutely not , if you shoot someone and are intoxicated …the alternative is you being dead …I don’t know about y’all …but I’d rather be in jail then dead … and a lot of times in self-defense cases where the defendant was intoxicated or had a stolen gun… The prosecution might initially charge them with a stolen gun or being intoxicated, but because somebody died and there’s something moreimportant at stake… They drop the charges for the weapons charge , if they drop the shooting charge(manslaughter or murder ) .

[@CAROLESYEAST]

And this is all assuming that you’re legally defending yourself as far as the shooting itself.

[@edwardperkins9949]

Thank you! Very informative!

[@RonSpilker]

John, can you ask him if he's heard of a case where the person got convicted in a store, based on the sign being counted as reasonable notice? How would that misdemeanor effect your permit renewal?

[@ASPextra]

I haven’t heard of a conviction on that alone.

[@YELLTELL]

" If circumstances should at any time obligate the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of ARMS who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens. This appears to me the only substitute that can be devised for a standing army, and the best possible security against it, if it should exist. " ~Alexander Hamilton Federalist No.28 January 10th 1788

[@cheyennesouza7960]

In TX, unlicensed carry past those signs is a felony up to 10 years and a 10k fine. Pretty much any place that sells alcohol has them. Corner stores, grocery stores, and gas stations. You likely wont get caught but crap happens anywhere anytime. You could just be a witness or bystander to something get found out and youre facing felony charges. I know the solution is to get licensed, but we shouldnt have to.

[@ASPextra]

Great reason to just get the CHL!

[@stevecarter2539]

56 in a 55? Those are rookie numbers, gotta bump them up

[@jclark2672]

The lawfare in New York has no one feeling free to help a burning woman on the subway. We need a government that strongly supports we the people's Constitutional duty to be ready at all times to use personal weapons to be law enforcement, homeland security and national defense. Article I Section 8 Clause 15 "To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions". All gun control interferes with that.

[@joshmerrill9271]

What about the no gun signs at a hospital and doctor offices? I never hear them talked about. I think some of them could be considered state or federal grounds right?

[@ASPextra]

Most hospitals are privately owned and governed by the laws of private property of the state you're in. Some states have specific laws to hospitals, so check your state laws.

[@judsonsdiscretionarymetalw5866]

In Commiefornia, most DAs practice malicious prosecution, and will prosecute you for a felony when the law only allows a misdemeanor in an attempt to get you to plead to the misdemeanor!

[@Okiedave]

I am a prohibited possessor, i am 40 years old, committed a felony in my early 20s, did my prison sentence and for the last 16 years I have been a good moral saying sober prudent person. That being said, I have my firearm with me every step I take every day. While I do worry sometimes about being caught with it, I also know that if I just do what I’m supposed to do, that situation will probably never arise. But if the time comes where I may need it to protect myself and my family, I will gladly trade the prison sentence for possessing the firearm verses my family being hurt. But I do not remove my firearm unless I am walking in somewhere where they have metal detectors no matter what type of building it is and no matter what sign they have posted on the door. Hopefully, I can make it through the rest of my life without ever having to pull my firearm, but it’s always there no matter where I am.

[@ASPextra]

Dave, I would do the work to get your rights restored.

[@budgetguncinema7777]

The only time I don't carry into a place with a posted sign is when the posted sign is next to their magnetometer.😂 I even had a security guard wave his little wand around me and he put it down right before he got to my pistol because he saw my wife's purse and asked to look inside. I used the distraction to sidestep him and waltz on in. 😂😂🍻

[@ReedeetZee]

LOL - you guys are killing me! Great post.

[@knndyskful]

I’ve thought of this often, bc I do it often, like at the mall or the movie theater

[@CharlieJulietSierra]

Attorneys on Retainer!!!

[@blackdiesel4407]

Eli dickens in Indiana killed an active shooter in a “gun free zone” worst thing that happened to him is he is now banned from that place for life. There wasn’t even a trial. Sorry if I misspelled his name.

[@ASPextra]

I can't believe they banned him from that mall. They should give him free food court privileges for life!!!

[@blackdiesel4407]

@ you would think but that’s not how the mentally ill do things unfortunately.

[@viscious_uv2]

Texas Penal Code Section 30.06 prohibits a person with a concealed handgun license (CHL) from carrying a concealed handgun on private property without the owner's consent: Notice The owner or someone with authority must provide notice that entry with a concealed handgun is prohibited. This can be done orally or in writing, such as with a sign. Signs Signs must: Be in English and Spanish Be written in block letters at least one inch tall Be displayed in a conspicuous manner that's clearly visible to the public Penalties A violation of Section 30.06 is a Class C misdemeanor. Defenses There are several defenses to prosecution, including: The license holder is an owner or tenant of a condominium or apartment The license holder is carrying the handgun to or from the owner's property or their vehicle in the property's parking area

[@kfelix2934]

CHL nah it's a LTC , not to nic-pic but all TX licensce are "Licence To Carry Hangun" none of my past and current LTC uses any other wording.

[@Islanderpr1]

What will I be charged with if I concealed carry at the USPS or at Social Security office?

[@ASPextra]

www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/41/102-74.440 felony up to 5 years.

[@Islanderpr1]

​@@ASPextraThanks

[@Wiseblood2012]

Such a circumstance would ipso facto demonstrate that the order was unlawful. I would see about suing the sign poster as part of a conpiracy to disarm me for the purpose of doing me harm.

[@steveneldred8928]

So, John Correia, you implied that FLP would cover an event like this. Several people on here said they won't. Who is correct?

[@ASPextra]

Their coverage is determined by an independent board. I know they have covered people in those instances.

[@tonyn152]

He makes sense, but if you do this in Illinois, especially in Cook County, it's a felony and you are in deep trouble.

[@moralesh]

Carrying Firearms onto Prohibited Areas: 1st offense is a Class B misdemeanor (punishable up to 180 days in jail) 2nd offense is a Class A misdemeanor (punishable up to 364 days in jail) and up to a 6 month CCL suspension. 3rd offense is a Class A misdemeanor and results in permanent revocation of the CCL.

[@jscharlie2350]

This is a question I have always wanted to ask but never had a chance to, and I agree with your answer (I'm surprised at your honesty). In some blue states like NY, CA and IL, gun owners almost always have to make this kind of choice, not only in bars, but also in other gun-free zones, which means "everywhere." People must choose between following the law to potentially get killed and breaking the law to save lives. If you insist on being a "law-abiding citizen" wherever you go, you might as well not carry at all, which is the whole point of those laws, i.e., to deprive citizens of the right to keep and bear arms for self-protection

[@mixc8]

You hit it on the head, I live here in NY, and thinking about getting the carry. But then I say to myself what's the since? The majority of the city is a gun free zone. Yet criminals carry every place, and out of jail in a short period. But let me the law abiding citizen for example who has a NY carry they will try to put me under the jail if I get into a safe zone!.

[@rustybennett4035]

Metal detectors …. I know someone that attended a conference at a convention center in a major city… He carried 4 night and 3 days of classes, going through the metal detectors, his concealed carry was never detected…. His wife would get stopped and searched because of Bobby pins in her hair… go figure… and the reason he carried was the 6 block walk from the hotel to the convention center…. He used the smart carry holster.

[@bannedfromasptwice]

I read about a guy sneaking his carry into a Major League Baseball game. He had a small .380 tucked in and a big western belt buckle. The detector went off and he lifted his shirt to show the big buckle and was waved on through.

[@jameswhitaker1324]

3:58 no, it’s not. It’s your coordination. If judgement was the first thing to go out the windows when you’re drinking sobriety tests would be a lot different. No less entertaining, but different. Anyway, I shouldn’t have to say that coordination and physical performance, more broadly, is sort of important in self defense. Honestly, I don’t know if judgement, per se, ever goes out the window. Impulse control, for sure. Thought and perception slow and physical coordination and speed go down a lot, but I would argue that judgement may be slowed by the same rate as perception, but it doesn’t leave you. If you ‘lose judgement’ when you’re drunk, you never had it when sober.

[@GLOCKsh00ter24]

I've carried past metal detectors several times while carrying at NBA and NFL games. Not breaking any laws in my state, just their rules. This was pre-2020, and handheld wands, likely wouldn't get past a walk through unit. Still, security at these events is mostly theatre.

[@ASPextra]

Oh man I have a story about even insinuating that I was carrying at the NBA finals.

[@r.f.pennington746]

Had a weapon on me since Dec of 1979...sometimes as a cop, deputy, but mostly just because. Hold two different state's licenses. First, I don't frequent places with murder signs and long past the elementary school-age phenomenon. I don't fly ("Say, let's go to California"), go to concerts (you can see them on YT the next day) or the Post Office (Pack n' Mail is just fine). In my state, going to the bank, wine shed for take-aways, bars without a sign, state university property, police stations, grocery stores and Wally-World are not off limits. I drink at home. I tend to stay away from places that aren't 2A friendly. At 69, my business can go elsewhere. Life is too short, especially when one is on my end... OBTW, I have belonged to USCCA for years now. Researched every one of the 'oh, you ain't gonna believe this about USCCA' rumours and found them all to be false, or the poor sod to be blatantly in the wrong, just flat out wrong. Just false. Do your homework as there's a bunch of good CYA companies out there.

[@ultrasuperbro]

I love being your neighbor in the Great 48. That said, may it never need to be us making that call.

[@jsmith218]

Could your ccw be revoked?

[@ASPextra]

Depends on the jurisdiction, some states might allow a Sheriff to revoke a permit for those kinds of things. In many places it would take something more significant.

[@bdub0983]

What if you're going to pick up food from a restaurant that happens to have a bar? I feel like that's a grey area. It's mainly a restaurant and they have no sign

[@ASPextra]

Kinda depends on the state.

[@bdub0983]

@ASPextra KY

[@Crews1]

From what I was told in Illinois CC class it depends on where you are and what percent of the sales are made from alcohol. If you are in the dining area and not seated AT the bar and they make less than 50% of their gross revenue from alcohol you should be good. But that is for Illinois.

[@1313bbwolf]

Lots of places have curbside delivery now. Avoids that trouble.

[@1a1u0g9t4s2u]

My take is it comes down to a different phase said on this channel, must I shoot. Thanks for sharing.

[@dralscustomcolures1095]

I'm worried about a lawyer/ firearms instructor... that says "my understanding is..." Not the law is..

[@ASPextra]

You should be more worried about one that is dogmatic and sure, when application is very individual.

[@jackrosenbaum]

I live in the great free state of kansas where i have yet to see a single organization that follows the proper rules for signage, meaning the most they can do is trespass me

[@jrvane11]

Sign? What sign?

[@Coolguy8623]

Great Answer, Love It 💯

[@ASPextra]

Thanks! 😃

[@normtheteacher5485]

Nebraska has a Choice of Evils defense where one can violate a law if more good comes from violating the law than obeying the law. In Nebraska if a guy carrying a gun dirty that stops a mass murderer with that gun will probably be hailed as a hero. With choice of evils defense the misdemeanor becomes a nomeaner. Police and Ambulance services take advantage of that law all the time. During an emergency they run red lights and speed. If you want to read up on it, it is in the Nebraska Revised Statutes, chapter 28, section 1407. If Arizona has such a law, I would be curious as to why you didn't mention it. Such a law takes all the worry out of justifiably violating a law. Does Arizona have such a law?

[@1911GreaterThanALL]

I think the point of worrying about a charge for you illegally carrying is that the punishments vary and federally speaking a Class A mis. would prohibit you from purchasing a firearm on top of legal fees to defend yourself AND actually the punishing fine. Maybe you can't afford all of that?

[@jackblack3886]

Met a woman in church once. Turned out she worked in a bar😅 Excellent video & advice! Thank you.

[@ocularpressure4558]

Mornin aspers 🎉

[@daleweller5193]

Why are you trying to sell carry Insurance if they don’t cover what you are talking about ?

[@ASPextra]

I think you don't understand what you're talking about.

[@jamesa.w.parisho8189]

So John I have a serious question for you as a fellow resident of Arizona. I know the legality of consuming marijuana while being in possession of a gun is a whole other subject and that's not what I'm asking about. I want to ask you what is the regulation in Arizona in regards to possession of marijuana while also having a concealed weapon with a license, considering that you're not consuming it or under the influence. Also in regards to going to a marijuana dispensary, most of them have signs on the door that say no weapons just like a bar would have that does not want you to bring your gun in. However some of them do not have those signs anywhere, is it legal to carry in that establishment specifically is it legal to carry a gun as a customer inside of a marijuana dispensary in Arizona? I'm sure the federal government likely has statues against it but I'm not concerned about that, I'm curious about the Arizona State statutes. I'm also curious what are your personal thoughts in regards to gun ownership by marijuana users considering if they are being responsible and not carrying under the influence? Do you personally believe there are any differences between alcohol and marijuana as far as firearms goes? How would you feel if the federal government eliminated marijuana being included into the drug use question on firearm background checks?

[@ASPextra]

Under Arizona law basically consider cannabis possession like alcohol possession. And a private business with no signs is a place you can carry. Of course activity like carrying while intoxicated is a terrible idea and we should all make good, sane, sober, moral, prudent decisions.

[@jamescohn4268]

I knew unicorns existed! Great show

[@Dxn6alc03Belod7m1o]

I WISH I was able to have this concern. Here in Canada, we're so hamstrung by our federal government in defending ourselves in any way--including with words--that THAT is the only reason I would consider moving to the U.S. But I won't because, unfortunately, the U.S. has more murders per capita than any other country. But your health care . . . now, THAT'S something to move there for!😆

[@kokonanana1]

You should review the murder by country statistics!

[@freedomfromthematrix88]

Where is the full episode for this?

[@ASPextra]

This is the full episode.

[@PawgPatrolling]

Chamillionaire: Ridin Dirty

[@user-yu1zp2vu9x]

Thanks for sharing. I can’t afford $500 per hour so this is fantastic. Much of it is just common sense in my opinion, but, common sense seems to be the exception in this day and age. Peace and prosperity to both of you guys. FYI are you trying to ruin the reputation of lawyers by being a responsible human? ✌🏼👍🏼🙏🏼

[@richardwooley1711]

What’s your opinion on carrying without a permit?

[@ASPextra]

Since they’re shall issue, why not just get it? I live in a Constitutional Carry state and still have mine.

[@GranTigerGaming]

I dont think the misdemeanor is the concern, I think the worry is it somehow becoming a felony one way or another especially in strict states, but I dont really know if thats a valid concern. Any thoughts?

[@ASPextra]

Totally depends on the state, like I said. ;)

[@YELLTELL]

" The CONSTITUTION of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their RIGHT and DUTY to be at All Times Armed. " ~Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Catwright, June 5th 1824

[@alejandro1568]

Wouldn’t the other side of the "it doesn't matter" argument be Bernard Getz or Harold Fish? You may be in the right for the shooting, but a prosecutor may find some other avenue to charge you and get you some jail time.

[@ASPextra]

I don't think Harold Fish really applies to this discussion other than he was maliciously prosecuted and that can happen.

[@onelifetolive927]

Interestingly enough, Elijah Dicken was the second armed citizen there. The very first victim was also found to be armed with a handgun.

[@ASPextra]

Yep.

[@2dawgsmiked684]

I think that middle picture is crooked. Okay, back to the video... 🤪

[@wiseinvestments5134]

RE: the whole 911 call or not topic, I seem to not fully understand what you were saying. I understood your video to be saying someone else should call 911, not the person who used self-defense. My apologies if my opinion was based on a misunderstanding. Take care.

[@ASPextra]

Yep, if POSSIBLE, have someone else make that call. If not, you make it for sure.

[@brianhansen6906]

I was happy to hear Tim say who cares if you’re carrying where you’re not supposed to if you need your gun. That’s always been my motto. I’m more than willing to even spend time in jail if it means my kids are still alive. I couldn’t imagine sitting at my kids funeral thinking well hey at least I’m not in prison for carrying my gun. That would be idiotic. Thankfully though carrying past signs is not unlawful. All they can do is ask me to leave and I have to comply. There is a limited number of areas like courthouses where it’s actually a crime to carry

[@Mrgunsngear]

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[@DeanDominoOfTheSierraMadre]

As a cop, I can confirm that we don’t care. Unless you get incredibly unlucky and get one of these liberal minded jackboot tyrant cops who charges every crime he possibly can instead of just being a solution finder/problem solver… you’re gonna be fine. I have had exactly one situation where a guy who hadn’t been drinking and was carrying a gun in a bar past a sign got discovered (his relative knew that he always carried, he didn’t get mechanically/accidentally discovered) so the relative called and the guy said absolutely I’ll leave and the bar owner said “I don’t actually care that much as long as you don’t carry in here again” and the guy who was carrying got to just put the gun in his car and finish his meal. The relative was so mad that they couldn’t use the law to screw over their family enemy. Lol.

[@ASPextra]

I think that is what happens more than anyone. Someone with an axe to grind tries to use cops to grind it. Ugh. Thanks for the comment!

[@erichunter9940]

Help me understand why we need to pay anyone to understand our state laws. Why is this not easily available and written in a clear and concise way?

[@ASPextra]

Here it is, for free, explained to you.

[@erichunter9940]

@@ASPextra Ha! Smart ass. They mentioned that you could pay to get a lawyer to access the information, or you could pay them to access the information on a state-by-state basis. If this is a law that we are all expected to abide by, it should be easy to access and written in 3rd grade English. Also, I am not interested in arguing with internet trolls.

[@jorgecarrejo]

Has anyone ever been convicted of prohibited use of weapons.. (Carrying while drunk) even though no alcohol breath test or blood test was administered.. Gun wasn't used in any way..

[@dalewikfors9194]

The rule I live with is this. Pay attention because it's worth the price. I've been on this channel and that rule saved my life. Lost my job though but another job was better. Thanks John.# Prepared defender looses his job.

[@CaptainHaru]

Is there a way he can be a part time host on your main channel? Or even starting a podcast with this man? I’d pay to see that! (Oh yea, everyone join the active self protection app!)

[@sleeve8651]

What's that saying....? " It's easier to ask for forgiveness, than ask for permission " ? 🤔....?