What is a Christian Witch?

[@LouisaWatt]

I used to be a witchcraft influencer (saved in spite of that by the grace of Jesus 🙂) and yes; people believe they can do both, not realising that certain things are an abomination to God and He cannot accept offerings of demons. Most useful book I ever read was Deuteronomy

[@lorilynnrieseberg707]

me 2

[@theodorab.2747]

Excellent...

[@salesmarketing4457]

Amen thanks for speaking the truth

[@jellydarling1008]

Thanks for the heads up

[@melancholycollie1466]

Yet the closest I have ever been to God was through White Magick. Christianity is not immune to demonic leaders.

[@somethinggood9267]

As a Christian, I have wondered if astrology is okay, my logic behind it was maybe God has left us some messages in the stars to let us tell the times. To me it doesn't seem too far-fetched. Part of this was because of the story of the Magi. But I understand that God can use evil to accomplish good, and does it all the time. But then part of me wonders why is it evil if God put the stars in the sky to tell the Magi to follow them?

[@freespirit7450]

Im confused 😕

[@aprilalaniz5407]

Excellent Point 🖤

[@jellydarling1008]

That’s exactly what I was thinking to. I believe that this subject might be under researched. I’d always put off anything until you know it fully though, it can get really bad otherwise

[@pocaiesc]

The way I've had it explained to me by my Mom who talked about it with an old timey, old fashioned pastor friend is, "God never said it wasn't possible, He said DON'T".Our future as christians is in his hands and we need to trust what will happen to God. Why look to creation ( and make an idol out of it inadvertently) when you can go to the Creator who calls Himself our Heavenly Father and wants only the best for us?

[@lisavanderveen5989]

Astrology is different than Astronomy. Astronomy is the scientific study of the stars and Astrology uses the stars to predict the future.

[@alexmarysaint2523]

The "magick is not real" part of the interview around 25:00 is ignoring a very crucial point. Though God is not the one responding to magick, others entities are and it's very real. This is exactly why people keep doing it. Saying it's not real when people have tangible proof that it works will only make people think you don't know what you are talking about and encourage them to keep practicing. We wrestle against the powers of darkness, not imaginary ideas.

[@jonathanclemmons501]

Very well said. Couldn't agree more

[@JLo_cke]

Yeah the church needs to know it's real and nothing to mess around with. I'm pretty sure he talks about how Satan imitates God with demonic signs and wonders, and he teaches about the occult and how it takes things God made (supernatural reality) and usurps it, so I'm pretty sure he has no delusions about the reality of witchcraft

[@Henriette-van-der-Ende]

Continue listening, hè says exactly what you are saying..

[@betrion7]

@@Henriette-van-der-Ende yep, but people usually go to comments before/instead watching the video 🤷‍♂️

[@api-christianparanormalsle1343]

Very good point Alex.

[@cynthiaisenberg1029]

Ask Saul, how using a witch worked for him. It did not go well!

[@betrion7]

@@josemoody1743 describe the meaning then. Inform us with a little word study if you have the knowledge. She was a necromancer, was she not? Edit: a word

[@betrion7]

@@josemoody1743 Thanks! Yes, translations can be, and often are a bit unfortunate since we can lose a lot of layers (gamatria would be one obvious example) but it still describes the event wouldn't you agree? Any person will add a different set of attributes to a word such as "witch" but in this case it describes what today we would call a "medium" (most translations go with this, and some combine it with spiritists), ie. someone that communicates with a deceased person (or some other disembodied entity). Ultimately the word itself does not change the passage even for someone using KJV since her role is followed by description. Also, there are quite a few persons that would call themselves a witch that operate as mediums and some will say a wessel, so what they do is more important than the name one uses, no?

[@JLo_cke]

“I want to say this to you if you're charismatic: there are people who reject the Holy Spirit's power and presence today because we do not make the effort to communicate well, and it's destroying our witness in the church- especially on the stuff about the boundary between the occult and the new age- and we have to get better.” -Elijah

[@amberwilson6162]

What matters to God is your heart.

[@aprilalaniz5407]

🖤🖤🖤

[@erikak.3159]

No, God calls the heart deceitful.

[@erikak.3159]

If so, why did Jesus died for us on the cross?

[@Supernimo735]

@@erikak.3159 To pay for our sins

[@myrddinwyllt3681]

I try to tell people this and then they start screaming jesus christ its very hypocritical to be like if you dont worship jesus on your knees in fear youre going to burn for eternity no exceptions and that just doesnt sound right to me a compassionate loving god wouldnt say if you didnt happen to run acrosss this bible im going to torture your soul until the end of time.

[@patti4528]

I had an encounter with God when I was 22 and again when I was 46. I turned to witchcraft after the last one. Only because they accepted me for a gift I was given. I have never been accepted by Christians, but I know things and have since my last encounter. My encounter was when I had a heart attack and had died. I believe in God, because I have been on tge other side. He's awesome, I'm just really confused on how to use what I was given for good.

[@debras3806]

Please try to find a Bible based church and press past feeling unaccepted, if you do feel that way again! That’s the way to grow in closeness to God and walking in truth!

[@stepmothercity]

I’m interested in using witchcraft for good also, specifically for cleansing and as a physical part of prayer. Even as a nonbeliever I found white sage to have a very uplifting effect on my environment. Catholics in Europe specifically have used rue to cleanse. In the Bible god gave a recipe for smoke cleansing. Witchcraft isn’t always trying to control an outcome that is against god’s will. It can be using medicinal plants that god gave us in ritual to clear the air of the unseen realm. We’re interacting with it whether we acknowledge it or not. Some with the gift and knowledge do so more directly.

[@Welpkim]

I had a similar issue, but I found a great Church that has the Holy Spirit. It is non denominational, but still preaches the Bible.

[@Tami8161]

I appreciate the conversation, and the willingness to address this, as it is a startlingly real aspect in what is happening in churches around the world these days--both in the membership and coming from the pulpit. We absolutely MUST stay in the word of God and continue praying for wisdom and discernment from the Holy Spirit. Every one seems to be searching for that 'secret' that gets us 'closer to God', and they seem to be looking everywhere BUT the Bible for the answers. So yeah, I appreciate that there is a continuing effort to open up these lines of discussion. One thing, tho, is I'd certainly appreciate the ability to check out the references and videos ya'll are referring to in regard to what YOU were able to see in preparation for this discussion. You guys have a tendency to open up these topics and start talking about them as if we are all on the same page--but to some of us these are new topics, and we don't all necessarily have the same background info or experiences so I feel like a great deal of what's being discussed goes right over my head. So at the very least a little more background info would be nice....but that's just me...always trying to catch up! LOL!!

[@aprilalaniz5407]

Such a good point 🖤

[@poik247]

Thanks for addressing this! I met a girl who said her family was Christian witches, the most paradoxical thing I ever encountered

[@1833-j4g]

You couldn’t be more wrong

[@hmoulder]

Naturopathic medicine is not witchcraft. Exodus 30 has an essential oil recipe for his anointing oil. He gave us every green, seed bearing thing for our food. Oils and homeopathics are derived from herbs and are used because they work WITH the design God made for the body. It is not a manipulation (witchcraft). It is using herbs for medicine.

[@Postulatedstate]

Thanks

[@scootervantil]

Would have loved Dr Michael S Heiser to be involved in this conversation

[@WillEhrendreich]

I selfishly want him to be in on every conversation. Lol.

[@scootervantil]

@@WillEhrendreich amen to that lol love his podcast and pretty much every bit of has content

[@TheWazil]

This is like putting lipstick on a pig. When it’s all said and done the pig is still a pig!

[@plumbago379]

I'm not exalting dr. heiser but for me it seems that dr. heiser is more safe when it comes to theology like this...

[@brandiannek]

I have been disturbed by the amount of people who I see both praising Jesus and using crystals and practicing things like the law of attraction. Slippery slope… I’m glad to see all of this stuff being addressed! Thank you.

[@laurasanders5015]

I have seen a lot of this as well. It’s very concerning. And yes, it needs to be addressed in the church.

[@msreginagreen5351]

Interesting perception…

[@brandiannek]

I care & the others on this thread care. Thanks for asking!

[@morevidscomingsoon7853]

Hey follow my channel I talk about this message and more thank you 🙏 !:)

[@Henriette-van-der-Ende]

The book Elijah was referring to is: The beautiful side of evil, from Johanna Michaelson. Very good book!

[@robndamtns]

Just curious 🧐 I didn’t ever seem to get a definite a definition for Christian Witch or Christian Witchcraft. I heard a lot of practices mentioned that some witches do not practice. There are a lot of people that practice divination of some sort but I would not consider them witches. It feels like someone came up with an umbrella term and just lumped everything under this term. I have thought that a witch is some one who practices magic. The one war I think the church has lost is the language war. Who defines meaning of words. So I do think it’s important to warn against practices that are forbidden in scripture. Also to broaden the thinking of most Christians so that they know the meaning of words and the differences between how they are used. This is most helpful since we live in a culture that is bombarded with Occult teaching, practices, images, symbols and thinking.

[@levidragon8402]

I am and allways a Christian witch. Many blessings.

[@1833-j4g]

God bless 💜🙏

[@abidinginchrist3139]

“ Always learning but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth” 2nd Timothy 3:7

[@api-christianparanormalsle1343]

you should finish the quote.. the truth is in Christ Jesus.

[@abidinginchrist3139]

@@api-christianparanormalsle1343 Well, I agree, the truth of Christ is what Paul is alluding to, yes. yet what I quoted It is what is written, How do I finish a quote if it’s not a quote?

[@api-christianparanormalsle1343]

@@abidinginchrist3139 What came after it. about Janess and Jambrees, who withstood Moses, reprobate men concerning the FAITH...and our Faith is in Christ Jesus, that's all I was pointing out.

[@abidinginchrist3139]

@@api-christianparanormalsle1343 The next verse doesn’t say the ‘truth of Christ’ either. However, Like I said I do believe the ‘truth of Christ’ is what Paul is alluding to, but he doesn’t specifically say that. Perhaps The reason is because. it’s for those of us who understand the truth of Christ and recognize the difference between True Men of God and false men who are deceivers and only searching for their own glory,

[@davidrussell631]

“Why does the subject of ‘Christian witches’ need to be addressed?” Say, maybe your church leaders have written a book (“The Physics of Heaven”) co-opting New Age practices, like Bethel, since there’s some overlap with New Age and witchcraft. Or maybe your church had a Lord of the Rings wizard ceremony decreeing the end of racism like Bethel did. I mean, after all, what’s the difference between casting spells and decreeing stuff, instead of praying everything according to the Lord’s will? Or maybe you find yourself around folks that seem to idolize the supernatural a bit, like Bethel. After all, we have to say that SOMETHING is a bit off limits in our worship, right? Just being real. No disrespect intended.

[@OlivusOrchards]

@@justjosie8963 read up on Bethel Church and you'll understand his comment.

[@betrion7]

@@OlivusOrchards this guy used to work for Bethel, he is not the Bethel. Did you listen to the conversation? There's no flawless organisation because each one has humans working there.

[@OlivusOrchards]

@@betrion7 flawles??? Bethel is like glass compared to diamond. Not the members just the leadership who have so changed Christ and the gospel that they could easily be a cult.

[@betrion7]

@@OlivusOrchards so, I'll take you did not watched/listened to this video?

[@OlivusOrchards]

@@betrion7 just reading the comment above. Have you read it?

[@theodorab.2482]

A Christian witch is basically someone engaging in what God, in his word,says is an abomination.

[@brittanyfalzon3764]

I believe the book he was referring to is The Beautiful Side of Evil. The author also wrote a book called Like Lambs to the Slaughter addressing the new age movement in children’s programming.

[@Inharmonics]

Wow. I did not even know this was a thing (although was aware of some of the fringe offshoots emerging in the wake of genuine revivals, like the Great Awakenings.) Anyway, it's great to see you and Elijah unify over the core tenets of the Christian faith - and I like that you are not afraid to call Bethel brothers, even if you disagree on some points and some past events.

[@antoniettegonzales]

My visit to Bethel was the start of my slippery slope down their false mystical teachings. What a travesty! Grateful the LORD led me out of all their false teachings. The atmosphere there is full of occult activity.

[@God_is_in_the_details]

Thanks for your channel, excellent topics and discussion, and wisdom. I think the FAR FAR larger problem is not ‘charismatics’ but the evangelical, the reformist, the cessationist, those who are not full-gospel but judge with filters of tradition, manpower and pride, who practice a form of godliness but deny His power. But, thank God, even this pharisaical religion is falling away like dead skin, and the Church is unifying around The Full Gospel: following The Good Shepherd, sound doctrine/Scripture and His presence.

[@nikkimalone2120]

Yessss this right here. Denying the Holy Spirit power and yet so many are wanting an encounter and they run to other powers being told those will provide an encounter

[@Christina_xoxo]

I am a Christian witch…I didn’t know it was a thing until a friend of mine said I couldn’t enjoy astrology & collect crystals/candles if I’m Christian. I didn’t understand that at all. If God created me with all his glory then he knows my love and likes for everything. Why would he shame me for finding something harmless so beautiful. I don’t do “spells”. I don’t practice any rituals.But I do enjoy having crystals & understanding their meaning, as well as astrology & being able to read candles. It’s honestly all so fascinating!

[@jaredmason439]

So if a person finds murder fascinating and feels in their heart it's ok should they be able to do it? You're saying because you have desires thet must be from God? There's lots of things we may find appealing but are against God. God says to deny our flesh and to not love the world. That's why we have the bible for direction. Please pray on these things and test them in the Bible. I promise these things are from Satan I spent a decade going down that road and all it will do is open you up to demonic attack. God bless you!

[@thenameisnaz]

@@jaredmason439 I understand your point, but you can not compare crystals to murder. They are not the same.

[@senoritaartistica1999]

Same here, I think christian wicca is my spiritual gift. I love Jesus and believe in blessings & performing magic (candles) ,intend to do good things. I felt a calling to this after a dream. It probably sounds crazy, but I been praying for my lover (guy), for him to be better, love thy neighbor. I felt like something was wrong when he splited up from him. So I prayed, again, and remember the night before that In my dream, a dark force was taking him away, he was asking for help from Me. So I saw a light trying to save us, then showed a cross ✝️ & some magic symbols. Then I woke up, and next day he split up, (coincidence, or Probably warning from God), so I tried to find info of those symbols. I managed to come across christian wicca, so I got a psychic reading from a caster, saying that a jealous girl did a love spell to break us up, to find out he still loves me. I was furious, as I worked with the caster, I liked it myself and started to use candles myself (white magic) , I read all the warnings, so I dedicated myself to christian wicca, with God & spells to save him.

[@senoritaartistica1999]

*Warnings* , don't completely rely on crystals, valuing them alone w/o Jesus is known to bring demons, but putting more faith on Christ is more important.

[@robinmarie8213]

I am very thankful that God has blessed me with crystals and their healing power. Did Jesus not say "these very rocks shall cry out"? Bless you.

[@rickponder110]

Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness; 2 Peter 2:15

[@somethinggood9267]

This was an excellent conversation. The analogy about the pigeons is very useful.

[@dragontantra]

Open minded Christians do exist.

[@ShadowFireWitch1]

I hope and pray so dragontantra :)

[@ViancaAline]

As a Christian I do believe in such “witch” things but I do not practice them because at the end of the day it’s all demon ran

[@1833-j4g]

@ViancaAline You need to do more research into it to really understand. You can’t be truly enlightened if you are narrow-minded.

[@Dragon-Slay3r]

Its a milk teat from a bottle with curves on eitherside which has triple something inside it hidden As the the triple balls/mistletoes/lg circles were covered but the christmas pudding which caused the french earthquake few years ago 😂

[@JesusIsLord2478]

1 Samuel 15:22-23 22 And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams. 23 FOR REBELLION IS AS THE SIN OF WITCHCRAFT, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king. for those who still think it's okay, just read the bible

[@hardpl8368]

I’ve noticed this mixing of new age & Christianity a lot with the younger generation. Bro...Bethel Church? Really?

[@leonscott543]

So this to me is why we need to be more honest about things that we label "works of the holy spirit".... Slaying in the spirit and shaking has no material functionality and is just plain confusing. If you validate this sort of thing in ministering, then you open the door to it's spiritual origins in new age mysticism

[@svenwalton1332]

Your assertion is wrong. "Slaying in the Spirit and shaking has no material functionality..." You have no idea what God is doing in someone or if it is God unless you get discernment from Holy Spirit. I have experienced laughter, shaking, and I have been slain in the Spirit. The fruit was both materially measurable and spiritually as well. the Bible speaks about "unspeakable joy" which actually heals. I have experienced this. There are obvious physical reactions to the presence of God or even angels throughout the Scriptures. Paul was knocked off what he was riding - Israel shook with fear in the Presence of God near the mountain. Choosing to decide what God can and can't do while ignoring the same sort of events in the Bible or by arguing from silence (which is saying that something isn't biblical when it isn't specifically or implicitly prohibited by God Himself because you are uncomfortable with it). You measure things by the objective Word of God and by the fruit of a person's life.

[@Stevenw92]

Slain in the Spirit could be described as "being overwhelmed by the Holy Spirit"... i don't see what's wrong with that? That the presence of God was so strong on a person, that it overwhelmed them.. I think it's almost glorifying for God to be that strong

[@valairsoft]

There’s a great book I just read called when the spirit comes with power by John white. He does a great job detailing why people act the way they do in our pourings of the spirit from a doctor of psychology perspective. Worth the read to understand the need of discernment in revival

[@Stevenw92]

​@@valairsoft so being overwhelmed by the power of our grand God's Spirit isn't possible? sounds like a bold and sweeping assumption in the name of explainable psychology... Psychology is solid ... and I'm sure it could make a case for the mundane, but that's still a bold assumption here

[@valairsoft]

@@Stevenw92 if you read the book John explains that there’s a time when Holy Spirit does over come people and they fall over/roll/laugh/manifest. There is a small margin at times when people act out in their flesh to “manifest” for attention to fit their psychological needs. Sometimes they don’t even know that they aren’t being touched by Holy Spirit. It’s a great read. Not saying it is all about psychology but sometimes it can be.

[@petercarter8455]

Thank you for a very thoughtful presentation. Although I don’t agree with Bethel on a lot. This was worth every second

[@SherrieBerrie77]

I watched this. Thanks for the message. I agree with nearly everything except about signs in the sky. I separate astrology from astronomy. You shouldn’t throw the baby out with the bath water -just because the occult/enemy has been using the stars for astrology (witchcraft) does not mean God does not speak through the “signs in the heavens”. I agree totally to learn to discern. But if you think signs in the skies does not happen then that requires to not believe the Word of God. Consider the following: 1. Did the wisemen sin by finding the Christ child to worship-they read signs in the stars, matched it with prophesy and determined that the messiah was born in Bethlehem then they went to worship Him. (Matthew 2) 2. What God said on the day He created the “lights in the skies” (Genesis 1:14-19) 3. God naming the signs in the sky that will happen in the Last Days (Acts 2:19-20; Joel 2:30-22; Rev 6:12-14; ) 4. The moment Jesus died, there were 3 hours of darkness, an earthquake which opened graves and people were resurrected and the temple curtain split (Matthew 27:50-52) 5. The description of the woman and dragon and a third of the stars wiped away. I believe this is a display one can see in the stars. Just like when there was a sign when Jesus was born, when He died, and at others moments in history (Revelation 12:1-4). More last days signs to look for: Luke 21:25-28; Luke 21:11; Matthew 24:29; Yes, it is important to abide close to the Living Word (Jesus)and learn and test by studying the Word (the holy scriptures). But God created the stars, sun, planets and moon for more of a purpose then to just give us light and gravity.

[@cheriami7482]

Thanks for the concise articulation

[@wakanavkirachel8068]

This was REALLY good. Thank you.

[@robinmarie8213]

I have Love in my heart when I practice magic. If you think our Heavenly Father would send me to hell for eternity, that says more about you than it does me.

[@amandaelliott8454]

Might have been a better discussion if you had a Christian wiccan or someone who practice witchcraft to get THEIR point of view and what they had to say at least let them talk for themselves instead of telling people your interpretation of what THEY do and believe who are you to judge anyone else what is the difference in a priest going in with holy water and blessing a house and a person walking around house with sage and repeating let's say " watch over this house and protect all who live here" or " negativity begone only positivity may enter this home protect any and all who may enter " when you burn your hand you put aloe vera on it right that's a home remedy right also can look at it as herbal magick.... Praying is just like manifesting what you want ...you pray to God and put it in his hands manifesting you visualize what it is you want... Your intent.... AND you release it into the universal source or creator..... This is all about interpretation you can stand infront of me and on the ground between us is something drawn in sand.... You say it's a 6 but I say it's a 9 we are both right so neither is wrong it's a all about how you interpret it I understand telling people what you believe the Bible means and how you take it but how can you tell someone else they are wrong have either of you talked to wiccans pagans witches with an open mind on what they had to say not try to argue with them just listen to them talk about their religion this kinda seems one sided to me... And I don't know what I believe religiously

[@joelbutterfield2071]

If you have proper orthodoxy you will have the right orthopraxy, so saying that you agree on the essentials will be proven in how your church behaves, thus Bethel is outside orthodox Christianity. Bethel isn't in the tent.

[@ms_ps91]

Amen good preaching! Praise be Yeshua!

[@tadeusztomczuk9704]

i will not go to hell i am a catholic witch and witchcraft isnt satanic do some reasrch other then the bible no offense

[@joserazo1343]

Great show but very fine line people are walking. I also fall to some of these things looking for spirituality but I repent and try to change my ways.

[@taurusbme4860]

Interesting that people are being judged for practicing but yet the church does not want to admit the reason this happens is because they have pagan roots. Check out the history of the church sense it broke from Judaism. They replaced God's holy days for pagan holidays. Then all these denominations came in braking off from your mother church the Catholic Church but you all kept the same foundation of beliefs. Teach people don't lie to them and treat them like they are crazy.

[@taylorarnoux-prost3425]

This christian witch thing definitely sounds very new age/ occult. I cant hardly tell the difference. Thanks for the conversation its a needed topic in this day and age. In these Last days things are just going to get stranger

[@llm2248]

I love Rocks. Because of the properties of them. I am a geospatial analyst too. Wearing a tektite now because it’s 15 million years old. How cool. I like the rose quartz because of how it looks. While others have names and meanings and beliefs I do my best to steer away from that belief as its witchcraft at its finest. It’s a fine line for sure. There is NO in between. Your a server of God or the devil. Plain and simple.

[@Stevenw92]

this is nice, and nicely put. thank you Linda

[@smokyquartz5817]

Are you allowed to believe the tektite is 15 million years old?

[@brandiannek]

Flirty Fishing was the Children of God cult!

[@balung]

Berg, wasn't it? He was there leader, right?

[@brandiannek]

You’ve got me there- I’m not sure who the leader was. I read about them in God’s Forever Family, which was a book accounting many happenings during the Jesus People movement. As soon as he said flirty fishing I instantly remembered that particular detail.

[@gregwasilchen8655]

Heya! You guys brought up casting lots as witchcraft, how so? I know the apostles cast lots before the Holy Spirit came and proverbs says that “the man may cast lot but the Lord determines how it falls”. Curious on your in depth thoughts on casting lots, thanks!

[@elijahstephens934]

Get the book Ancient Near Eastern Thought by John Walton, and read "COMPARATIVE EXPLORATION 11.6: Why Was Deductive Divination Forbidden to Israel?" Biblical lots were also binary. Walton, John H.. Ancient Near Eastern Thought and the Old Testament: Introducing the Conceptual World of the Hebrew Bible (p. 247). Baker Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.

[@gregwasilchen8655]

@@elijahstephens934 thanks Elijah!

[@betrion7]

His response is shadowbanned for me - can you please reiterate his answer for me?

[@gregwasilchen8655]

Oh looks like it was removed. He referenced a book, can’t remember what it was lol

[@EvangelhoImigrante]

About psychedelic as a healing medicine, MDMA at low doses is being used to treat PTSD, but only very few times with a professional therapist. As far as microdosing, Shrooms is for depression and LSD for Attention Deficit Disorder.

[@Cotswoldblonde]

They are portals to the demonic false light spiritual realm which is very real.

[@thecrossfiles]

Oh my gosh….my cohost used to be in the Children of God cult and the women used “flirty fishing”. Small world! 😮😂

[@petelarose998]

God bless you!!!

[@WilliamHalle]

There are 2 sources of power on Earth, Yahweh and satan {small s on purpose}. You choose, and live forever with Jesus or not after you die. Real simple.

[@adamslater1634]

The greatest defense against all the wiles and schemes of the enemy is THE WHOLE COUNSEL OF GOD. So much of the enemy's gains come at the expense of the IGNORANCE of the church. We are told to study to show ourselves approved unto God a workman that needs not be ashamed, RIGHTLY dividing the Word of Truth. 2Tim2:15. We make it too easy to fall into error and be deceived by bad and false doctrines because of lazyness and refusing to take Romans 12:1&2 seriously. Especially verse 2. The transformation that comes from the renewing of our minds to the Word of Truth and the Way of God.

[@Lillaloppan]

Thank you so very much 🙏😊!

[@levidragon8402]

Many blessings !

[@KristiLEvans1]

The test isn’t “it feels good, so it’s God”.

[@deedavis1950]

Dr. Chuck Missler strongly encouraged hermeneutical hygiene.

[@Kristen-is8id]

I believe in god however I am involved in tarot/crystals. I would never try to harm others. I am in recovery and yet have been looked bad upon and felt less then by people at my church, so I stopped going

[@Crustapher]

I am in recovery 2. But that doesn't give you the right to use that as a excuse to use crystals or tarot. Both are wrong in god's sight. There is no point to practice those things and believe in god. You are using something to talk to demons,not god. The people in your church are trying to save you from going using divination . That is why you have prayer.

[@laurasanders5015]

I’m so sorry you felt like people were judging you and treating you as “less than”. I hope you can find a good church that teaches the Bible where the people are loving and trying sincerely to follow Jesus. Don’t give up…we’re out there! Jesus definitely doesn’t see you as less than! He created you and died for you. He loves us more than we can imagine! The Bible tells us to stay away from things like tarot cards/crystals etc. because there are dark powers (demons) behind those things. Even if you do it innocently, it can open you up to demons having access to your life. God is being protective and loving toward us by telling us to stay away from things like that. I pray that He will become so real to you! He is so good!

[@albusai]

Cause what you practice is not biblical

[@jess4yah447]

Christians need to be careful. There is a fine line with being loving and excepting for who someone “is”, and encourage behavior and practices that are harmful to you. Gods word is truth and God commands us to obey his laws because he knows wants best for us. If we think we know better then God, we’re in deep water. You can learn lessons the hard way, or read the truth that God laid out for us.

[@aliceobukhova7604]

I pray you get back into the saddle and revisit the principle concepts confronted by their response to your beliefs and practices. I know what it’s like to be shunned over spiritual beliefs. But now, after ten years, I have been shown by God, tangibly through proven biblical exposure, I was very much off into the occult. Had I prayed and dropped idolatry of big named pastors, deemed apostles, I’d have saved myself much heartache. And I really was a false teacher.

[@nikkimalone2120]

I get your Walgreens joke bro 😂👏

[@eliseshaw3341]

Thank you thank you!

[@TheWazil]

The Lord told the children of Israel not to practice occultism cause those that did were an abomination to the Lord God.

[@decimadavis5065]

I may not be a Christian by the Church’s standards but I am a Witch who loves and honors Jesus Christ.

[@sarahnye3069]

There's nothing new under the sun. The story of Israel in the Old Testament is ALL about God's love for them, contrasted to their MIXING of worship of Him with worship of other gods. The history tells us how angry and upset God was by this, and there WERE consequences to the Israelites of this because He's a jealous God. Our modern ears may not like the sounds of that, but if we call ourselves Christian, we should at least read the book. We need to read the Old Testament.

[@scarletrose2880]

I feel like playing with crystals no where near reaches the same corruption of some churches. I'm a little disappointed. you said this was going to break the echo chamber but all you did was bring another guy who agreed with you about Christian witchcraft, instead of having a conversation with a Christian witch. I came here as a pagan witch who was interested in Christianity, but thank you for continuing to alienate myself and others.

[@atan7260]

I thought this would be a legit historical thing.

[@WhiteDove73-888]

The same as a regular witch

[@akshayd5360]

Got recommended some "Christian" witch channels on KZbin while watching this over the past day. And oh my gosh, how misguided they are! It's so sad that they think they're following Christ. How do they get to that kind of understanding, I can't even wrap my head around how they can't see how far away they are!

[@smokyquartz5817]

How I feel watching ALL the hate churches.

[@strongbada.4709]

Christians get into this stuff from a lack of proper discipleship. The Church needs to get busy making disciples which is the prime directive from Jesus Himself. This is God’s program to bring revival. All these people running around begging God to “send revival “ when He’s looking down waiting for us to get with His program.

[@erikak.3159]

Or reading the word and a relationship with God.

[@eliseshaw3341]

The only power within me to heal someone is the Holy Spirit flowing through me. It is nothing I can conjure up. It’s His choosing and an act of faith on behalf of me and the receiver.

[@smokyquartz5817]

We and these other churches have momentarily stopped being enemies to attack our imaginary mutual enemy. Ah the church. Also this guy mispronouncing Tarot over and over has me rolling.

[@davidboehmer4359]

Well as a former Charismatic who was in the movement for 40 years, or so. My definition of a CHRISTIAN, or Charismatic witch. Is a womanand,or man who. Tries to manipulate the Pastoral leadership of a church. Through praying in tongues and through using the gifts of the Holy Spirit. To do the same. As well as use the said techniques over other unsuspecting Christians. In their sphere of influence. For me there is no such a thing as a CHRISTIAN MYSTIC. To me they are ministers of Satan. Appearing as Angels of Light.

[@aprilmatilda7743]

I am no longer a "Christian witch.". Thank you.

[@antonblack-l4d]

godbless everyone .. i am a baptist witch .. we are not evil .. i love jesus he is god my lord my god .. i am also a christian enpath .. so godbless everyone ..

[@robinmarie8213]

You interpret scripture your way, and I will interpret scripture my way. All I need know is that Jesus said we would do even greater works than He did.

[@ryandawson2877]

Great point about the fivefold ministry.

[@IamGrimalkin]

A quick correction on what Elijah is saying about "energy". . Energy is not necessarily mass, it's only exclusively mass in objects that are still. The full equation is E = sqrt( (pc)^2 + (mc^2)^2 ) , where p is momentum. However, god doesn't have momentum either (except when as the Word made flesh on earth), so the point still stands with regard to scientific energy. . However, I don't think New Agers mean the scientific definition of "energy" when they use the word (or at least, not all of them do). I'd actually say one of the key issues of many New Agers is that they don't hold an Essence/Energy distinction as the Eastern Orthodox do (whilst still holding Pantheism); but I wouldn't say that the Eastern Orthodox use "Energy" in the scientific sense either.

[@ryandawson2877]

Regardless of how well intentioned some maybe even who are Christians, we should never speak well of witchcraft or engage in it in any manner. Also, we should not use the worlds message or methods that are contradictory to the Scriptures and think that we will be blessed. These are seducing spirits that teach doctrines of demons, one Timothy 4:1.

[@karensozo1454]

What church do you guys attend????

[@anthonyramos1970]

Elijah is part of Bethel in Redding. Last we heard, Josh attends The Village Church in Dallas

[@Drspeiser]

Is your last name really Sozo?

[@monicacurteman]

I had a hunch Josh went to The Village Church because he sounds like a student of Pastor Matt Chandler. I’m a podcast “student” of The Village. 😉

[@anthonyramos1970]

@@monicacurteman I’ve said the same thing before. His pattern of speech gives him away. Also I am as well, Pastor Matt is such a blessing.

[@marcusanthony488]

You know, there are around 35,000 different Christian denominations. You guys argue amongst yourselves about what to believe much less how to believe . And now you claim to be experts on correct religious thinking and practice outside your own faith. Come on .

[@akshayd5360]

But there is one God and one Bible. You make it seem as though it's very vague and it can be interpreted in many different ways. The major points have no contention and have been interpreted the same way historically. Yes there are many secondary issues that denominations are in disagreement about, but in general, the fundamentals of Christian faith are pretty well laid out!

[@marcusanthony488]

@@akshayd5360 "There is one God and one Bible". That is nothing but a slogan. The "bible" is a collection of books written by different authors for different purposes over thousands of years. But here is my point: you can talk for hours about whether the Holy Spirit is "person" (as if you know what a divine "person" really is) and not a manifestation of kundalini energy. That is so important to you. But you completely ignore that there are so called Christian teachers, like John MacCarther, for example, who, yes, hold to the Apostle's Creed, but also holds a what I would call a demonically inspired soteriology by which the Holy One of Creation would, from the beginning of creation, insure that half if not more of his children, would, though no fault of their own, be condemned to burn in eternal conscious torment endlessly. Now that belief is far more morally and theologically suspect and worthy of condemnation than anything spoken of in this video today.

[@KristiLEvans1]

Self-control is a fruit of the spirit. What happens in being slain in the spirit, communicates the opposite.

[@cathykushner8903]

Where in the Bible does it tell us to practice this stuff?????

[@deespence8629]

It doesn’t! But a lot of times people think the Holy Spirit is telling them to do something… ok? But if it doesn’t line up with scripture- it’s not the Holy Spirit speaking. The Bible is our truth and standard- that’s what we have to believe and hold onto!!

[@christopagan-m6q]

i am a christopagan and i love and worship jesus

[@samuelflores1419]

BETHEL? Enough said!

[@annekary6190]

Father forgive this ignorant man leading people astray ...😥💔💔

[@debras3806]

Huh? Why do you say that? He may be wrong about some things but I don’t see anything he is ignorant about…

[@kristinejohnson3286]

Have you read the original Bible before Constantine of Constantinople broke it up? Considering the 92 books or gospels were broke up then, I don't think so. Don't judge teacher. You are not God. You do not have the right to condemn others.

[@slg716]

I'd like some references for free online seminary classes. Thanks!

[@TheWazil]

S occultist: White Magic; There is no such thing as white magic any more than you can be halfway pregnant. Those who seek after familiar spirits are have called into sin.

[@senoritaartistica1999]

I think christian wicca is my spiritual gift. I love Jesus and believe in blessings & performing magic (candles) ,intend to do good things.***** I felt a calling to this after a dream. It probably sounds crazy, but I been praying for my lover (guy), for him to be better, (love thy neighbor). I felt like something was wrong when he splited up from him. So I prayed again, and remember the night before. In my dream, a dark force was taking him away, he was asking for help from Me. So I saw a light trying to save us, then showed a cross ✝️ & some magic symbols. Then I woke up, and next day he split up, (coincidence, or Probably warning from God), so I tried to find info of those symbols. I managed to come across christian wicca, so I got a psychic reading from a caster, saying that a jealous girl did a love spell to break us up, to find out he still loves me. I was furious, as I worked with the caster, I liked it myself and started to use candles myself (white magic). I read all the warnings, so I dedicated myself to christian wicca, with God & spells to save him.

[@darnellgriffin6005]

You have a choice but I must tell you, the spirits of the wiccan tradition are not from God. You're in a dual mode. Love one and hate the other but don't disregard the person. God Bless! 🙏

[@melancholycollie1466]

If a Christian Witch causes no harm then I see no issue. They still believe in the spirit.

[@jaimejones2723]

Hmm having someone from Bethel of all places talk about this??? Bethel church deals in grave soaking and many videos of members using tarot at the church and teaching it’s ok!!! This dude must be a wolf in sheep’s clothing. I’ve lost so much respect for your channel trying to sugar coat Bethel church seriously not ok. Why aren’t you calling them out.

[@jaimejones2723]

Funny he talks about shaking. If you watch Bethel videos of the leaders the woman in particular touching peopke that are kneeling and start acting frantic as if possessed and you hear hissing and screaming even crying and hysterical laughing. It looks more like possession. Don’t call it just shaking. It’s dangerous

[@JLo_cke]

Didn't they say verbally that grave soaking is evil and you shouldn't do it? I think they've talked about it. Same as divination and tarot stuff...

[@grandmasterlucien]

@@JLo_cke Yet theres videos of their students practising it...

[@Henriette-van-der-Ende]

@@jaimejones2723 watch their video on Jonathan Edwards, it's good.

[@JLo_cke]

@@Henriette-van-der-Ende Exactly

[@andrewlavid6776]

Does Genesis say Adam was given a soul or became one when he was made?

[@LoneWolfCodingProfessional]

do you know christians have dreams like joseph who have visions that the famine will come

[@dono9659]

luke 1:17 . says that he (John) will go before his face (Jesus) in the spirit and power of Elijah.

[@Tami8161]

Beginning at 24:29--brilliant!!

[@janettegilbert76]

Surely it’s about pointing to scripture and what God says about it

[@scottbaldridge6148]

There is scientific peer reviewed studies showing that Hypnotherapy and or more mindfulness meditation can have beneficial health affects!! Having said this, are these methods a substitute for worshiping Jesus or orienting or minds towards Gods Grace in relation to Christ! I think the Eastern Orthodox get this balance right!

[@littleboots9800]

If you want to know how bad it is, next time you are scrolling through youtube shorts and a video pops up on "manifesting" money or love, go straight to the comments. You will be shocked by how many people are posting comments like "I claim this in Jesus name" or claiming to have manifested things in their life then posting cross emojis, dove emojis, etc. Whether it's videos playing so called "healing frequencies" or "affirmations" to bring money into your life the comments are full of people who are practising this stuff under the mistaken belief they are within Christian orthodoxy.

[@Yaqub_ysarahal]

Divination has never been and will never be tolerated.

[@aliceobukhova7604]

There’s something amiss here. Not certain where this is all going. I’ll revisit after I’ve stepped away and cleared my head. But my peace is lost at 12. Minutes. If someone is into the occult…Bethel, we can not unify on beliefs that we have in common. I’m sorry. I may be misunderstanding but for now, I’m outta here.

[@angerose65]

I'm almost half way through and still feeling unsettled hmmm

[@principled.not.pragmatic]

I wonder if most of the people who are charismatic and even the ones who went off course are premillinial and dispensational? Do you know if anyone has done research on the correlation? Seems like there is a strong correlation but that's just a thought with no evidence.

[@crypticproger]

Watched the first 10 minutes and finding it ironic what the guest is saying.

[@davidmunoz-paniagua3004]

I guess it takes one to know one... Bethel grave soaking is witchraft

[@akshayd5360]

I personally didn't see anything from this interview that hints that the man is anything but a Christian. Slandering someone you know nothing about doesn't seem very loving to me. It could be my ignorance, I know nothing of Bethel's practices or if this man participates in those, it's possible you're speaking from a place of more knowledge. If its not, I hope you'd reconsider making such comments.

[@IamGrimalkin]

He has another interview on this channel when he's asked about Bethel practices. . Spoiler: . He doesn't like grave soaking either; and in his view neither do the wider Bethel leadership. He sees it as a thing a group of people did one time before immediately realising it was a dumb idea and not doing it again.

[@akshayd5360]

@@IamGrimalkin it makes you think sometimes, how on earth do some of these things seem like a good idea at the time, like let me go to someone's grave to get some spiritual benefit. Like whaaat?? If the church constantly has their head in the Word of God, these things would surely be avoided! And thanks for your insight from the other videos :)

[@IamGrimalkin]

@@akshayd5360 I dunno, but my guess is probably something like groupthink contributed. Even if a good number of people in the group did think it was a bit dodgy, they might be inclined to go along with it to maintain group cohesion. The gist I got was, they were going to the grave anyway on some kind of history tour, and someone just had the idea while they were there.

[@IamGrimalkin]

To hear directly from Elijah on this go to the "glory clouds and grave sucking" video at 41:20 .

[@Acts-1915]

An oxymoron.

[@ziontrumpet3343]

^

[@thirdplace3973]

How come the ONLY place I ever learn about these buck nutty blasphemous things is on the internet?

[@TheAntonioclewis]

Because your local pastor is unlikely to step on the toes of his community. Sad I know.