What Is AOP In a Pool?

[@berwickcomputers]

Hay mate, from Australia here and love the channel, can you take a look and explain how the Bionizer from Australia works and if it would be any good

[@toms.5729]

Hi Steve. We love our Hydrapure unit, as I've mentioned to you before. I don't think I've ever had our pool water look as polished or crisp!

[@sethfree1]

Hi Steve, have you had any experience with the ZeroChlor system? We've had one installed since 2021, and been generally very happy with it. Would be interested in your opinion on it's efficacy.

[@Swimmingpoolsteve]

@sethfree1 if that is a mineral system I do not endorse them. I definitely do nor endorse any system which advertises the use of no chlorine, and honestly if you knew what I knew and have seen what I have seen you would not pursue chlorine free systems for recreational swimming waters in an open environment either. The things that dirty water can harbor are some the scariest, most insidious illnesses that I could name. Safety first!

[@sethfree1]

@Swimmingpoolsteve thank you for the reply! Not a mineral system. It is an AOP system with UV chamber, titanium array, copper array, advanced filtration (staged activated glass in an over-sized sand filter housing that filters down to 1 micron), and a variable speed pump operating 24/7. They claim the technology is deployed in residential and commercial pools and water attractions in Europe, Africa & the Middle East.

[@Swimmingpoolsteve]

@sethfree1 sounds cool - I will probably like it except for the advertising of no chlorine. Copper (and silver) do not act within an acceptable time frame to be safe enough to protect against swimmer to swimmer contact, nor recently introduced contaminants. This is where chlorine is king. It is fast acting in this regard, and this is one of the four layers of protection water needs. There are different recreational water quality standards in different areas of the world. Where I live in Canada we have some of the strictest laws in the world about recreational and residential swimming pool water, and there are no acceptable zero chlorine solutions. None. However, as a peripheral system working with low, managed levels of chlorine I am all for it!

[@LynnGardenhire-r6p]

Is this system good with salt pools. Any benefits to add this other than just cleaner

[@Swimmingpoolsteve]

@@LynnGardenhire-r6p your salt cell will last longer as each cell has a finite amount of chlorine it can make in its lifetime. If your pool needs less chlorine, you run your salt cell at a lower output, and it lasts longer than it would have otherwise.

[@LynnGardenhire-r6p]

@@Swimmingpoolsteve thank you. I was curious if this would allow you to use lest salt lowering the TDS.

[@IanH-fn1gn]

Hi Steve. Todays video was very interesting. Thank you. Are you familiar with nano bubble generators, using oxygen and ozone generators ? If you are, would really look forward to a video on this please.

[@fasuloj]

Hey Steve, I had a Pool Tiger installed last year. I've never had to add cya throughout the year as often as I've had to. Chlorine lasts so much longer. Would like your opinion on Pool Tiger Pool unit. Thanks, Joe

[@Swimmingpoolsteve]

@fasuloj I believe this is the "hydrodynamic cavitation" system which is not something that I am confident in endorsing. Over the decades in pools we have experienced more than our fair share of snake oil systems like pool magnets for example. For this product I am not aware of any industry accepted studies that show it does anything of value for pools. I appreciate your comment but I like to be straight forward and that is my current take on the pool tiger...unsubstantiated technology.

[@joshuakramer482]

I was thinking the same thing, similar to pool tiger. A shame there is not more published data on it.

[@tomp9447]

Hey Steve, I thought you were going to discuss fences as area of protection :). I would assume/hope anyone with an AOP would have salt cell so saving chlorine isn’t really an issue. Here’s a VSP question- you recommend 24x7, but how many hours would you recommend at a high enough speed for the SWG?

[@fasuloj]

I hear ya, most people have the same response. I can attest to the pool being cleaner, clearer and cya being used up and controlled. Wish someone would professionally review it​. The company sent 2 free units to the local installer when i had mine installed. They would probably give you one as well. Thanks for all you do. Love the videos! @Swimmingpoolsteve

[@ThomasThePoolBuilder]

What about an oxygenated or nanobubble pool like the Shasta Pure? Are you familiar with how those systems work?

[@natethetoe386]

Can we get a tour of your shop?

[@Swimmingpoolsteve]

@natethetoe386 spring this upcoming year I am releasing a very long form video walking through the new shop / test lab installation - stay tuned!

[@monoralph1375]

We had A HAYWARD HYDROPURE unit. Removed and sitting in the pump house to give away or to trash. New professionally installed 21,000 gallon residential pool, VSD pump, cartridge filter, heat pump heater, Hydropure unit, salt cell chlorine generator. Operates typically at 45 to 50 gpm. Hydropure wired to same breaker as pump. After one month operation hydropure showed no UV lights. Under three year warranty from Hayward. Months went by and Hayward finally replaced burnt out lamps. Closed pool for season. Next season within a month the hydropure tripped breaker with a water leak which may have caused the exposed control board to burn out as evidenced by the black burn marks. Another electric change/expense so the pump would run. NO replacement by Hayward until the next pool season. Third year opening for the second full season (three to four months long) within a week another water leak within the hydropure. Finally enough is enough. Paid expense for the piping to be changed and electrical removal to remove the Hayward hydropure box. Ours looks just like the one on your table but grey. Same offset piping connection arrangement, looks like same monitoring panel. In the three seasons we tried to use the unit, it was operational for maybe a maximum of 6 weeks total. While the intent for the UV light and ozone generator can in theory improve water quality, the Hayward Hydropure design execution is POOR due to the multiple failure modes and lack of internal component robustness. I cannot recommend this unit. Sorry Steve. I enjoy your channel with lots of good information. But, watch the hydropure for the lamps to burn out quickly. The o-rings will leak water to the exposed electrical connections and exposed circuit board.

[@Swimmingpoolsteve]

@monoralph1375 I wonder if that is why Hayward upgraded / changed the model of Hydrapure to what you see here. Notably you keep saying Hayward took a year for replacement / repair but that would be on your pool installer not Hayward. As a contractor if I install something and it fails 7nder warranty it's on ME not the manufacturer to make you happy. This is why it's so important for dealers and builders to choose their product lines carefully. Your builder should have bought and installed a new AOP unit the next day after it broke and then the dealer works out the refund for the failed unit behind the scenes. Waiting a year for a replacement is not a fault of Hayward. Your dealer who made money selling and installing that unit should have handled it differently. Thanks for commenting. Good luck with your pool!

[@monoralph1375]

@@Swimmingpoolsteve Family owned second generation pool contractor, 40 + years in business. Contract stated to go to Hayward for any warranty issues. Pool company son/acting manager for his father who started the business refused to address issues during construction. Hit our deck with the execrator and did not fix damage. Sprayed oil on our stone home and windows then tried to wash off with high pressure water stripping the paint from the wood windows. Workers would throw cans, bottles and paper food wrappers under out bushes refusing to clean up after themselves. I witnessed, complained confronted and got a hard time. Water leaks at glue joints only visible after pool filled and pump started. Slope of concrete was toward wood building causing puddles in rain. I reviewed with concrete sub contractor less than four hours before the concrete was poured. Refused to correct concrete by grinding. Son/manager refused to come to our property to review issues and would not correct unless I gave him money up front. He was fully paid the contract price at pool filling. As a retired project engineer dealing with contractors in industrial environment, this pool build was the worst I haver experienced. I was stuck to correct the issues which I could but have some leaks under some very expensive concrete.

[@bbqturtle]

So my only problem for AOP, is chlorine works great for us. This is another point of failure since you still need chlorine. I'm not sure the value proposition here other than people that want less chemicals at any budget?

[@gregjohnson2073]

Didn't you listen to the video?

[@bbqturtle]

@@gregjohnson2073 yeah of course I did but honestly it didn't concisely answer "why would a homeowner care". I get what it does, and what it doesn't do, but you need to weigh the cost of an entire additional unit and electricity vs saving -some- chlorine? These devices feel like the one blind spot of SPS - he's practical about almost everything and brings it down to our level but does advise us to purchase some expensive thing that will cost more than the pool guy for 5 years straight to balance chemicals

[@Izaakwalton_]

Steve, the obvious elephant in the room would be a price range for it's installation. 😊

[@Swimmingpoolsteve]

@@Izaakwalton_ it's dead simple for installation. Could not get much easier than this unit.

[@Izaakwalton_]

@Swimmingpoolsteve Thank you for answering. I would be curious what the retail is on the machine but maybe that's an inappropriate question for this forum.? Whatever you think. I'm good with that.

[@Swimmingpoolsteve]

@Izaakwalton_ pricing will depend on the dealer you buy it from and whether you are located in Canada or the USA. it's not super cheap that's for sure. This is some of the more expensive peripheral tech ypu can buy for your pool.