What is Canon in Sonic?

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@RSA-zv9hd
@RSA-zv9hd Жыл бұрын
I think the best way that I could describe is that the Sonic lore is like a tree where every iteration is branching out of the main story. Everything uses the games as its base but could go its own direction.
@danteshollowedgrounds
@danteshollowedgrounds Жыл бұрын
Being someone that can't read I find that very interesting.
@RSA-zv9hd
@RSA-zv9hd Жыл бұрын
@@danteshollowedgrounds I appreciate your response
@gamingwithdream2005
@gamingwithdream2005 Жыл бұрын
Everything except Archie unfortunately
@RSA-zv9hd
@RSA-zv9hd Жыл бұрын
@@gamingwithdream2005 yeah
@Xxblade17
@Xxblade17 Жыл бұрын
Yeah
@sonicthehedgehog1606
@sonicthehedgehog1606 Жыл бұрын
By "everything is canon " means every sonic media exists in the same multiverse or cosmology and share similar canonical events
@TheMightOfGeburah
@TheMightOfGeburah Жыл бұрын
Yup.
@pattik_
@pattik_ Жыл бұрын
you just said the definition of canon
@Elite_Ram
@Elite_Ram Жыл бұрын
You explained it but movie and old shows but multiverse true
@starsmashmations4969
@starsmashmations4969 Жыл бұрын
I guess, but I like to assume the games + prime + maybe idw comics are part of the games and other things like alternate shadow endings and Archie comics and what this guy mentioned are branches/parts of the uni/multiverse
@Daggett1122
@Daggett1122 Жыл бұрын
Personally, I don't think that's what they meant. I think it means anything from the past is fair game for future stories, but not that everything took place in the same continuity. In other words, when writing a new story, the writer can pick and choose from the past what is canon and what isn't, if they don't mention it then it isn't canon to that story.
@templecatt
@templecatt Жыл бұрын
it kinda sucks how sticks didn't get a proper introduction. we'll probably never know how sticks met the other characters.
@CaptBlock
@CaptBlock Жыл бұрын
Unless she gets one in IDW or some other piece of media.
@leonardoalvarenga7572
@leonardoalvarenga7572 Жыл бұрын
She made her debut in the Sonic Channel comics.
@VincentEternal
@VincentEternal Жыл бұрын
In the Mario and Sonic Olympics games bios apparently Amy meet Sticks on an island. Not much to go on but it’s something.
@Alejandro333777
@Alejandro333777 Жыл бұрын
That part it felt so out of nowhere
@Catgamer7YT
@Catgamer7YT Жыл бұрын
So sonic boom cannon?
@Jorno_arts
@Jorno_arts Жыл бұрын
Ian actually answered some question about the Canon and that classic is now back to being modern Sonic's past and at one point he will become modern sonic
@leonardoalvarenga7572
@leonardoalvarenga7572 Жыл бұрын
That's the only thing I don't like about the changes being made.
@playerback7722
@playerback7722 Жыл бұрын
Flynn? Hmmmm
@Summorial2
@Summorial2 Жыл бұрын
so probably no mania 2 then
@Jorno_arts
@Jorno_arts Жыл бұрын
@@Summorial2 i don't think we would get It even with them both being separeted since SEGA burned Bridge with most If not all developers that worked on mania and origins
@andreasmeelie1889
@andreasmeelie1889 Жыл бұрын
YES! I wanted that so much! EEP! :)
@WarmCedarElf
@WarmCedarElf Жыл бұрын
0:19 You OK there Knuckles? Your eyes are doing something weird...
@ddsbo
@ddsbo Жыл бұрын
i love how these characters get canonicalized because of one beautiful game
@CassiusStelar
@CassiusStelar Жыл бұрын
Iizuka said he *wanted* Prime to be canon, but it definitely isnt. However, the fact that he worked closely with both the show staff and frontiers staff at that point and knew they both had flashbacks to canon events, that must have been what he was trying to get at
@reggielacey2235
@reggielacey2235 Жыл бұрын
IT IS
@CassiusStelar
@CassiusStelar Жыл бұрын
@@reggielacey2235 it isn't. The comics are if that's any consolation Prime is part of its own canon, disconnected from most sonic events besides SA2 and Sonic 2. Knux and Tails live in Green Hill for instance instead of Angel Island and Station Square respectively. Rouge and Shadow don't seem to be working together at all and Rouge is more of a Team Sonic gal instead of a spy or thief. Oh and don't forget Shadow treats Sonic as his stupid little brother instead of a respected rival (like SA2-ColorsDS) or how Vegeta treats Goku (like modern games)
@Sonic12Lexi
@Sonic12Lexi Жыл бұрын
Sonic Prime is almost mainline canon in Sonic but it is technically Pararlell Canon.
@CassiusStelar
@CassiusStelar Жыл бұрын
@justakar1 exactly. When I was explaining it I forgot to mention Sonic 3 even though I watched the episode with that weird 16 bit lava reef flashback
@CassiusStelar
@CassiusStelar Жыл бұрын
@justakar1 well if you wanna look at things from a technicality, while we've changed the definition of Canon over time, in the context of fiction, everything official *is* canon, just not in the same continuity.
@MLPPixel727
@MLPPixel727 Жыл бұрын
I think SEGA posting, “Everything is canon.”, was simply their way of telling us to chill. I’m not 100% sure how that applies to how we interpret the lore of the franchise’s series, though, so I appreciate your analysis here for giving ideas!
@bigsterman2055
@bigsterman2055 Жыл бұрын
If you missed it, I wanna say it again. In the 6th Twitter Takeover (which sonic game do you guys like most?), Tails tell the other that their adventures are seen by people around the world who make media off of them. Which means games like Sonic Colors and SA2 are canon, but they might not be exactly what happened because it’s based off of what the people of the planet see. So maybe Sonic Colors did have a good story but the people who made the game rewritten it so it’ll be kid friendly.
@skystrifeofthewind2475
@skystrifeofthewind2475 Жыл бұрын
genius
@sboinkthelegday3892
@sboinkthelegday3892 Жыл бұрын
My heart goes out to the severely neurodivergent, who might watch Rashomon and go "wait, what? Is this a movie about a multiverse?" Because they can't figure out this basic thing. Or somebody brings a new friend into a group, adn they'll go "HOLD ON, I''m confused. Who is this?" Then you try to make the introduction, and they start screaming and shouting about spoilers because you skipped their life in kindergarden and their mother's maiden name.
@jasonblack2477
@jasonblack2477 Жыл бұрын
No lol
@FTN_Ale
@FTN_Ale Жыл бұрын
it's an in-game explanation for sonic games on a Twitter video, it's obviously not canon
@atheropen_1994
@atheropen_1994 Жыл бұрын
If that's canon then everything else from the twitter takeovers are
@hydrocityshark
@hydrocityshark Жыл бұрын
I think IDW and Prime are better off as there own thing due to accessibility. The way Sonic is portrayed in both as opposed to the games also sells the idea that they are separate.
@playerback7722
@playerback7722 Жыл бұрын
True
@RandomCarfromNFS
@RandomCarfromNFS Жыл бұрын
Exactly
@masenko247
@masenko247 Жыл бұрын
IDW was confirmed cannon the second sonic mentions tangle and whisper
@hydrocityshark
@hydrocityshark Жыл бұрын
@@masenko247 *Tangle and Sticks Also I’m well aware but I’m not a fan. I think Sega will back track on it at some point.
@masenko247
@masenko247 Жыл бұрын
@@hydrocityshark after all the good reception they will most likely appear in the games some point soon
@sonicwhite91
@sonicwhite91 Жыл бұрын
In the earliest bios for Sonic it says Sonic has been to so many places he doesn’t have a place he considers home. Edit: Sonic was born on Christmas Island.
@foxoninetails_
@foxoninetails_ Жыл бұрын
I've never understood the argument that '06 isn't canon. It is canon, it just got erased from the timeline; those things still happened, the game still retells true events, they were simply "undone" at the end. That's an entirely different issue than "non-canon" (i.e. never a part of the main timeline to begin with). That said, I'm inclined to believe that joke or not, "everything is canon" is accurate. We know that alternate dimensions / timelines are a notable part of the Sonic lore; this suggests to me that spinoffs such as Boom or Prime and retellings such as Sonic X all happened in some corner of the multiverse, but are simply different versions of Sonic, the same as Classic and Modern post-split. For example, a significant amount of Sonic X retells SA2 almost beat for beat - in my opinion, X is simply the version of events from a universe where Sonic met Chris, as opposed to the main game timeline where he didn't. Boom is a more significant divergence from likely before any of the main characters' births, Prime (from what little I've seen of it) seems to be a possible future, and similar can be said of all the various comics, movies, etc. from throughout Sonic's history. (Notably, this also largely clears up the repeated plot hole of time travel and alternate dimensions being used as seemingly interchangeable terms, like Blaze in Rush/'06 and Classic Sonic in Generations/Forces; once the time travel has occurred and new events are firmly established, the characters simply consider that new split timeline to be another dimension, since it now exists in parallel due to diverging outcomes.) Knowing the above, this makes the much more salient question not "what is canon?", but "what takes place in the primary timeline / Modern and Classic game timelines?", to which I think we can fairly safely say all of the mainline games, promotional materials for such, and at least some alternate version of the events of most spinoffs like Riders and TSR, even if not the actual precise versions from the spinoff games themselves. There's a much deeper dive to be had here on what is and isn't an alternate timeline, but that covers the basics.
@itstoasty7089
@itstoasty7089 Жыл бұрын
Sonic roasting Cobermani with the classic “Did you ever find your dad?”
@igottakirbranger8995
@igottakirbranger8995 Жыл бұрын
It’s been confirmed that Sonic Prime is canon, don’t understand how it works, but okay
@SONICSTA
@SONICSTA Жыл бұрын
that was actually the reason i made the video. not a fan of it tbh LOL
@SpeedBird6780
@SpeedBird6780 Жыл бұрын
I pretty much agree with you on this. Though I think Generations Classic is still a hundred percent a past version of modern Sonic, while Forces/Mania Classic is a split of the main cannon Sonic. As for 06, Sonic has active memories of that, but Elise, Shadow and Silver (Basically everyone else who helped take down Solaris) have vague recollections of the event and may be turning their head to those locked away memories, but not actively remembering them. Everyone else does not remember a thing.
@SpeedBird6780
@SpeedBird6780 Жыл бұрын
One could call 06 "Schroedinger's Canon". XD
@Bradon_Ray
@Bradon_Ray Жыл бұрын
I believe classic sonic WAS a past version of modern sonic until the events of generations, after experiencing that and knowing of the future and his future self it caused a branched timeline which then leads to sonic Mania and sonic superstars. So modern sonic and classic both experienced Sonic 1-3, but classic sonic now experiences Sonic Mania and Sonic superstars while Modern sonic didn't.
@reggielacey2235
@reggielacey2235 Жыл бұрын
BLAZE DOES
@faizedfr
@faizedfr 24 күн бұрын
​@@Bradon_Rayyou basically figured it out
@bluephoenix4241
@bluephoenix4241 Жыл бұрын
Elise specifically tells Sonic that if she blows out the Flame of Solaris that it'll be like they had never met... So Sonic and Elise don't remember what happened in Sonic The Hedgehog (2006). But the Time Eater is confirmed to be a remnant of Solaris.
@rasyagaming-roblox
@rasyagaming-roblox Жыл бұрын
Believe it or not Sonic actually remembers Elise Solaris all those events cause its obvious in the ending that sonic recognizes Elise and also the festival so yea its a semi cannon but it's still so confusing.
@gaminganimators7000
@gaminganimators7000 Жыл бұрын
​@@rasyagaming-robloxits probably a deja vu kinda feeling
@videogollumer
@videogollumer Жыл бұрын
Okay, when was that said? ...like .....ever?
@reggielacey2235
@reggielacey2235 Жыл бұрын
THEY DO REMEMBER, FUTURE GAMES AND OUTSIDE MEDIA COMFIRMS IT
@SteIIa4Real
@SteIIa4Real Жыл бұрын
In the idw comics theres a 3 issue arc of the zettis *reforming*, as in Zavok is looking for them and makes it clear they’re “reforming”
@FTN_Ale
@FTN_Ale Жыл бұрын
i love this video. it might appear as common information to more informed fans but i see on twitter a lot of people saying "since IDW/prime is canon x and y". im glad someone outside of twitter has finally decided to inform more people.
@RosheenQuynh
@RosheenQuynh Жыл бұрын
If pure mention of something counts as canon, then Sonic Shuffle is canon cuz the Precioustone was mentioned in the Forces prequel comics (same with the Archie comics since Anarchy Beryl was also mentioned); I have my own theory about how Shuffle connects to SA1 and SA2 though, too.
@lynxfresh5214
@lynxfresh5214 Жыл бұрын
It's also considered canon according to Sonic Ecyclo-Speed-Ia, the only notable game that's explicitly considered non-canon is Sonic Chronicles but continuity is the major sticking point since SA1, SA2, Heroes, the Advance trilogy and Battle would've had all to happen pretty close to each other before Shadow 05 to avoid massive plot contrivances (E.g No-one telling an amnesiac Shadow the truth and THE MOON).
@Couldntfindaname111
@Couldntfindaname111 9 күн бұрын
Didnt sonic mentioned shuffle in secret rings?
@RosheenQuynh
@RosheenQuynh 8 күн бұрын
​@@lynxfresh5214 Wait, it's really canon? 🤩
@RosheenQuynh
@RosheenQuynh 8 күн бұрын
​@@Couldntfindaname111 No
@gregzotter6189
@gregzotter6189 Жыл бұрын
It probably a multiverse thing; that's really the only way any of the games could fit together at this point.
@reggielacey2235
@reggielacey2235 Жыл бұрын
no, its a single timeline
@zbroadcast3414
@zbroadcast3414 Жыл бұрын
While you’ve made your position clear on IDW's canonicity, I was wondering if you feel the same about the specials that take place in the Classic era?
@capnc4670
@capnc4670 Жыл бұрын
Sonic IDW could go two ways in my book. Either it's a timeline split that rides on Eggman's amnesia, or it's canon cause Ian Flynn did say that the comics would eventually cover Frontiers. Until we get further information there are 13 different Sonic universes to me: Modern, Classic, Boom, Cartoon, Underground, X, Fleetway, Archie, IDW, Manga, Movie, OVA & Prime. Some being branches and others being completely separate.
@bossmine3997
@bossmine3997 Жыл бұрын
Yeah I'm pretty sure that the Archie comics explored the different universes I think
@videogollumer
@videogollumer Жыл бұрын
And Classic IDW.
@bakedbeans5494
@bakedbeans5494 Жыл бұрын
Classic and modern are the same.
@capnc4670
@capnc4670 Жыл бұрын
The disambiguation Fandom page has even more.
@bakedbeans5494
@bakedbeans5494 Жыл бұрын
@@capnc4670 Fandoms are only 90% accurate.
@NovaSonic.
@NovaSonic. Жыл бұрын
Ian Flynn confirmed the comics are Canon also, I think the events of the games after forces occur after the the metal arc and in between the beginning of the metal virus arc
@cofagrigusfan24
@cofagrigusfan24 Жыл бұрын
what i think should be canon is -main games -classic style games as a split-timeline -IDW comics -Prime and -Boom, kinda (as a seperate dimension like the Sol Dimension)
@3DoublePoint
@3DoublePoint Жыл бұрын
What about hyper Sonic
@cofagrigusfan24
@cofagrigusfan24 Жыл бұрын
@@3DoublePoint he is a form, not something like the things i mentioned As for if he is canon... i think yes, but what caused him to become hyper was destroyed (that my headcanon at least)
@dominiclowe3640
@dominiclowe3640 Жыл бұрын
I think it's for the best that we act like Sonic Boom never happened, and sega should do the same
@ShaDaisyDow
@ShaDaisyDow Жыл бұрын
When there's no Sonicsta video: :( When there's a Sonicsta new video: :)
@kahboom76
@kahboom76 Жыл бұрын
When Sticks was mentioned in Frontiers, it got me thinking that while the none of the Boom games are canon, perhaps the info around them are in some way. I mean both Wii U/3DS have separate storylines that don't connect so maybe events transpire in different form.
@dominiclowe3640
@dominiclowe3640 Жыл бұрын
I think it's for the best that we act like Sonic Boom never happened, and sega should do the same
@reggielacey2235
@reggielacey2235 Жыл бұрын
ITS A DIFFERENT VERSION,WE LITERALLY SEE HER IN MAINLINE
@kahboom76
@kahboom76 Жыл бұрын
@@reggielacey2235 I know their different versions, like I said none of the Boom games are canon but mainline Sticks has to from somewhere. I just suggest that mainline Sonic could have had an adventure with minor similarities to Boom where he met Sticks along the way but we the audience don’t see that
@reggielacey2235
@reggielacey2235 Жыл бұрын
@@kahboom76 nah, he probably just met her randomly. i mean sticks has appeared in mainline media before in japan
@deborahconnor5997
@deborahconnor5997 Жыл бұрын
Fun fact: sonic mania adventures takes place after forces because when he gets teleported to angel island he is doing the same pose he did after he teleported away in forces
@ewaszot1243
@ewaszot1243 Жыл бұрын
We will wait and see what Team Lore is cooking for us
@UNDEFINDD.R
@UNDEFINDD.R Жыл бұрын
Great video dude
@CSTH1
@CSTH1 Жыл бұрын
Series canonicity is something that's very hard to understand. One of the creators of Sonic Prime confirmed that the show is canon to the mainline Sonic material which left me puzzled. On one hand, yea, I guess it could be canon, but I don't know if that's really what I want. They're trying to connect all of these different games, comics, shows, etc all together, and I understand why they're doing it. I believe they want Sonic's lore to not be as complicated, so they decided to make everything they can, canon. Do I respect this decision? Yes. Do I think it's the best for the franchise? Eh, to me, it just seems like the franchise is more complicated than its ever been. My head is getting tired of thinking about this, so TLDR; the Sonic series is very diverse and it's hard to pinpoint each and every event.
@masenko247
@masenko247 Жыл бұрын
So the game events are cannon in prime but prime isn't cannon in the games? Tbh that's pretty cool
@CSTH1
@CSTH1 Жыл бұрын
@@masenko247 Prime is supposed to be canon to the games, but everyone has their own stance on whether it is or isn't.
@masenko247
@masenko247 Жыл бұрын
@@CSTH1 ohhhhh well I would like to think prime takes place prior to some of the games from 20 years ago since his character is changed a lot in prime
@CSTH1
@CSTH1 Жыл бұрын
@@masenko247 It's supposed to be in the future from what the plot synopsis says, but I'd like to think what you think since it's very good thought.
@bakedbeans5494
@bakedbeans5494 Жыл бұрын
Sonic Team needs to go.
@TheMightOfGeburah
@TheMightOfGeburah Жыл бұрын
Ian Flynn confirmed all Sonic Media are part of the Sonic Multiverse and that things like Sonic Boom are canon but are in their own universe. Canon is a dumb topic in a franchise where everything is canon.
@dominiclowe3640
@dominiclowe3640 Жыл бұрын
I think it's for the best that we act like Sonic Boom never happened, and sega should do the same
@Brianycus
@Brianycus Жыл бұрын
Sonic Prime kinda answered our questions with how everything is canon. Sonic has a multiverse now.
@ZoomToMalware
@ZoomToMalware Жыл бұрын
Prime doesn't have the multiverse, shatterverse is sonic's universe but shattered it's not really a multiverse but one contained universe in shards
@erikbihari3625
@erikbihari3625 Жыл бұрын
Dude, don't go down that rabbit hole unravelling that conundrum is like trying to solve the gordian knot!
@SONICSTA
@SONICSTA Жыл бұрын
I. MUST. TRY.
@erikbihari3625
@erikbihari3625 Жыл бұрын
@@SONICSTA. No Way.
@doubt2022
@doubt2022 Жыл бұрын
now, the most important thing to establish: Is Sonic Labyrinth canon?
@hydrocityshark
@hydrocityshark Жыл бұрын
Yes
@swordchannelfires
@swordchannelfires Жыл бұрын
I could be wrong, but Sonic prime is in fact part of the main canon universe cuz aside of the references to the older games there r other stuff that actually backs it up for example 1. Sonic's personality: while people may disagree about this part the most but it proves that it is canon cuz its super similar to his personality from games like Sonic colors to all the way to Sonic forces, I see a lot of similarities between the 2, remember that Sonic Prime might take place before Sonic Frontiers Where people live: it was never truly addressed that in Sonic Prime that anyone actually lives in green Hill aside from Sonic, in the games Green Hill was at some point addressed to be Sonic's most visited zone probably his favorite one too which has to be some sord of indicator that Sonic might actually live there There are a lot of stuff that proves that Sonic prime is canon but there's others that does the exact opposite
@bakedbeans5494
@bakedbeans5494 Жыл бұрын
I can't believe you've ignored all the continuity errors of Sonic Prime.
@swordchannelfires
@swordchannelfires Жыл бұрын
@@bakedbeans5494 like?
@swordchannelfires
@swordchannelfires Жыл бұрын
@@bakedbeans5494 the games themselves always had continuity errors too so how's this different
@videogollumer
@videogollumer Жыл бұрын
​@@swordchannelfires The guy's been trolling the entire comments section by calling anyone a liar if they so much as say anything that he disagrees with on what's canon. Ignore him.
@swordchannelfires
@swordchannelfires Жыл бұрын
@@videogollumer I will thx for the advice
@thelobsterlover9449
@thelobsterlover9449 Жыл бұрын
The better question is: Are the Mario and Sonic games canon?
@Tyedyeninja04productions
@Tyedyeninja04productions Жыл бұрын
2:13 I feel like I should mention that it was confirmed that after sonic forces modern and classic are fused back together and the events of sonic mania still happened but yet no one remembers it.
@KouD3Graw
@KouD3Graw Жыл бұрын
"Multiverse."
@andreasmeelie1889
@andreasmeelie1889 Жыл бұрын
Oh my gosh! I loved this video! Thank you, Sonicsta! It makes so much perfect sense now! I'm absolutely shocked that I didn't think up the facts from this video myself! :) It makes me so excited to see what lies ahead in the future and if we'll see characters like Sticks, Tangle, and Whisper at all! :)
@fortymcmeme3846
@fortymcmeme3846 Жыл бұрын
chao in space is probably a movie within sonics universe
@WarpSonic
@WarpSonic Жыл бұрын
actually i'm pretty sure ian flynn confirmed IDW is now game canon (no i'm not talking about the Tangle name drop in Frontiers EN). i'm guessing that after the "eggperial city" arc ian flynn might mention on bumblekast that frontiers happens between that arc and the following arc or smth like that.
@radchickens
@radchickens 3 ай бұрын
The mainline canon is the games and the idw comics. Everything else (Sonic x, the movies, Archie, etc) is its own thing.
@AhmedSahraoui-ii9pu
@AhmedSahraoui-ii9pu 2 ай бұрын
Finally someone finally Said it
@radchickens
@radchickens Ай бұрын
I forgot to say this but tails tube is also cannon.
@faizedfr
@faizedfr 24 күн бұрын
I'd consider Sonic X as canon
@AhmedSahraoui-ii9pu
@AhmedSahraoui-ii9pu 23 күн бұрын
@@faizedfr glad that youve never said that archie is canon and sonic x is not canon becase its an adaptation of the adventure games
@AhmedSahraoui-ii9pu
@AhmedSahraoui-ii9pu 23 күн бұрын
@@faizedfr even if sonic x is canon at least it worth to be canon unlike archie or satam
@gaminganimators7000
@gaminganimators7000 Жыл бұрын
A person who works on the Sonic franchise tweeted that the original tweet is actually true and they'll pick and choose things from all over the franchise to use in stories they want to make
@HatsCaliber
@HatsCaliber Жыл бұрын
As someone who still hasn't gotten around to playing Frontiers: STICKS IS CANON!?🎉
@bakedbeans5494
@bakedbeans5494 Жыл бұрын
Delete this.
@HatsCaliber
@HatsCaliber Жыл бұрын
@@bakedbeans5494 I'll play it.. eventually.
@bakedbeans5494
@bakedbeans5494 Жыл бұрын
@@HatsCaliber 🤡
@videogollumer
@videogollumer Жыл бұрын
@@HatsCaliber Ignore that jerk. He considers anything that isn't his opinion "false information", and accuses anyone who disagrees with him as lying. All he does is menace just about anyone who talks about Sonic Canon with his confoundedly horrible behavior.
@HatsCaliber
@HatsCaliber Жыл бұрын
​@@videogollumer Yeah, I caught on after the clown emoji. Strangely, I don't see his original comment anymore so he either deleted it or KZbin considers "delete this" a controversial phrase. Thanks for looking out, though.
@Tyedyeninja04productions
@Tyedyeninja04productions Жыл бұрын
10:03 sonic boom takes place in the sonic game Multiverse (yes there is a multiverse). It’s a parallel universe to the games. So if we’re talking what’s canon to the multiverse, then it is canon.
@dominiclowe3640
@dominiclowe3640 Жыл бұрын
I think it's for the best that we act like Sonic Boom never happened, and sega should do the same
@cb2327
@cb2327 Жыл бұрын
To my understanding, Sega is doing the Transformers aligned continuity thing.
@videogollumer
@videogollumer Жыл бұрын
Sounds more like a Transformers G1 thing to me.
@mastercraftme
@mastercraftme Жыл бұрын
I think the twitter takeovers themselves are not cannon but the facts they give are like shadow eat the coffee beans
@wisccheese9257
@wisccheese9257 Жыл бұрын
The sonic racing was before forces I heard, so zavok after lost world probably he disbanded, and after forces he went back home or something
@barneythedino4301
@barneythedino4301 Жыл бұрын
I think there are two Classic Sonics: one that is a younger version of Modern Sonic and the other that is from another dimension (Mania Sonic). The origin story for both Classic Sonics plays out differently, with Sonic Mania being different from Sonic Origins. Other than that, I agree with your thoughts and ideas about the Lore of Sonic the Hedgehog. Sonic Prime explores the Shatterverse, and Mania Sonic uses the phantom Ruby to go to Mainline Sonic's world. There could be different ways of exploring the multiverse of Sonic the Hedgehog. There's even Blaze's dimension in the mainline games, and I think Sonic and Shadow from "Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric" fighting through different timelines and dimensions. I also think Sonic Team could explore time travel as they did with Sonic CD and Silver from Sonic 06. They could also explore Mainline Sonic's Universe since there are many alien races. I wonder how Sonic Team will handle all this; I guess I'll just sit back and let them cook.
@Bradon_Ray
@Bradon_Ray Жыл бұрын
I think Mania sonic is the same as Classic sonic, after the events of generations it would be hard for a past self to remember the future without causing a branch timeline, so classic sonic WAS just a past version of Modern sonic but because of generations it split the timeline and now Classic sonic experiences Mania and superstars without modern sonic experiencing it.
@barneythedino4301
@barneythedino4301 Жыл бұрын
@Bradon_Ray That's very interesting! I didn't think about it like that, but I definitely like this theory
@BKLYN48
@BKLYN48 Жыл бұрын
Sonic prime was confirmed canon. Idk why.
@playerback7722
@playerback7722 Жыл бұрын
But not in the mainline timeline of the games
@bakedbeans5494
@bakedbeans5494 Жыл бұрын
Not canon.
@caleblee8530
@caleblee8530 Жыл бұрын
Baby steps we ain't even got multiple playable characters thing back yet.
@epicman3181
@epicman3181 Жыл бұрын
i heard from a friend that sega said that the IDW comics and sonic prime are canon and they in my opinion don't ruin the story and the time line and i think that sonic boom and movie sonic are different dimensions or different timelines because sega just said that everything is canon and if they weren't joking thats the only way to say that boom and the movies are canon
@dominiclowe3640
@dominiclowe3640 Жыл бұрын
I think it's for the best that we act like Sonic Boom never happened, and sega should do the same
@epicman3181
@epicman3181 Жыл бұрын
@@dominiclowe3640 sega tried to ignore another game before wich is sonic O6 i guess we all now what happened after that so they're not going to do it again
@SparkstarScope
@SparkstarScope Жыл бұрын
I'm with the people believe the canon is branching out. To add to that theory, I could argue that mainline is actually very straightforward, up until around Heroes/Battle or '06 which is where it starts spreading out to other continuities. Main character plotlines such as Shadow's are already done and dealt with and rarely any new ones are introduced from that point on (and those who are have their plots wrapped up in the same game, such as Chip). Then you have the movie timeline, Prime timeline, comic timeline... And, now that I think about it, it makes some ironic sense that '06 would be the one to branch out of. A funny argument can be made that the Flames of Disaster being put out causes chaos in space-time and begins creating alternate timelines with those who were involved. I'll even double down on this by adding this theory I read some time ago about Sonic being an entity of chaos itself: He used to be the main character just because of protagonist reasons, but following '06, it's his association with Iblis that makes the space-time disorder mark him as the focal point. Then you have the Time Eater incident, as well as the "Sonic from another dimension" in Forces in the mainline branch only adding to that mess.
@amejade
@amejade Жыл бұрын
IDW has a TSR comic adaptation so you could place that in the timeline, and Frontiers simply takes places after the current arc of IDW, then IDW picks back up
@silversrc
@silversrc Жыл бұрын
Canon Sonic Timeline (My Best Guess, as i can confirm that all of these games shown here have happened in the timeline): Sonic The Hedgehog Sonic The Hedgehog 2 Sonic CD Sonic the Hedgehog 3 (Sonic and Tails go do their own things) Knuckles Chaotix (Time Skip - Sonic 4 could happen here, doesn't rlly matter) Sonic Advanced (1) Sonic Adventure Sonic Adventure 2 Sonic Advanced (2) Sonic Heroes Sonic Battle Sonic Advanced (3) Shadow The Hedgehog Sonic 2006 Sonic Riders Sonic Rush/Adventure Sonic Rivals 1-2 Sonic Colors Sonic Generations (Freedom Fighters/Sonic Squad/whatever you wanna call them go off and do their own thing, this explains why nobody comes to help Sonic in Unleashed, they'd just gathered for his birthday, in which they all almost got erased from history. Also none of them mention Unleashed even though it came out before Generations) Sonic Unleashed Sonic Lost World (We don't know a lot about why Sonic Forces happened but the most common theory is that this is where Sonic, Black Knight and Secret Rings happen since Sonic could not be present at Earth, but this has yet to be officially confirmed beyond my knowledge) Sonic Forces Time Skip - (IDW) (The second Tangle was mentioned, it was canon. They mention different events from the games mentioned several times and events from the comic that are mentioned in Frontiers, cmon now) Team Sonic Racing (ig) Sonic Frontiers As for Sonic Prime - idc, there is no way it takes place in the same continuity as the games/official canon
@bakedbeans5494
@bakedbeans5494 Жыл бұрын
Bad list.
@silversrc
@silversrc Жыл бұрын
@@bakedbeans5494 could you explain how?
@bakedbeans5494
@bakedbeans5494 Жыл бұрын
@@silversrc Sonic, Advance, Rivals, TSR, Sonic Riders, IDW and Knuckles' Chaotix aren't canon.
@silversrc
@silversrc Жыл бұрын
@@bakedbeans5494 - Sonic Advanced (series) is the first game cream is mentioned and is in, the sonic advanced games also feature Germel and Emerl - Rivals is the first game in the timeline where sonic meets Silver chronologically/technically, Sonic O6 got erased. - I put "ig" next to TSR for a reason, i doubt it is cannon - Tangle is mentioned in Frontiers - Ian Flynn is the main writer for the sonic series currently, including games - Sonic team wants sonics story to be one cohesive streamline experience Sonic Frontiers disproves a lot of the things you've said "Kinda reminds me of when WE found Bablyon Garden", Sonic then mentions Jet IDW and Riders are indeed canon Knuckles Chaotix is the only questionable one since Charmy was retconned in that game, I'd be inclined to agree with you had that not been The Chaotix, first appearance in the franchise, this being the first game they were show cased in disproves this not being canon.
@bakedbeans5494
@bakedbeans5494 Жыл бұрын
@@silversrc You're a sucker for continuity errors. Sonic Advance had the original Tornado which was destroyed in Sonic Adventure and the Advance series ties into Sonic Battle which had Chaos guarding an Eggman base and Rouge knowing who Omega is. Sonic Rivals states that Eggman Nega is Dr Eggman from the future which contradicts Sonic Rush. IDW has major continuity errors such as the story of Sonic Forces and Sonic Adventure 2 being rewritten. Sonic Riders contains OCs.
@lks19
@lks19 Жыл бұрын
honestly, I don't even know anymore.
@eway44
@eway44 Жыл бұрын
I REFUSE to believe that the Twitter Takeovers aren't canon!
@playerback7722
@playerback7722 Жыл бұрын
They were never
@goodsonicfan5016
@goodsonicfan5016 Жыл бұрын
I miss the non-canon continuities!
@atake176
@atake176 Жыл бұрын
About Sonic 06. Somebody asked Morio Kishimoto (the director of Sonic Frontiers) if they want to return Mephiles in future Sonic projects. And he said(sorry for bad Google translation): "I think there is a possibility that it will appear in future mainstream titles. I think you can feel that from the fact that past titles have begun to connect with this game." (By this game he means Frontiers) So by that and the fact that Sonic remembers fighting with Silver in TSR we can clearly say that events of Sonic 2006 actually happened
@brandongittens9045
@brandongittens9045 Жыл бұрын
In IDW did they ever specifically call themselves the deadly 6 still?
@Wolfric_Rogers
@Wolfric_Rogers Жыл бұрын
What about Lego Dimensions? I find the idea of Sonic meeting Batman to be hilarious!
@SoraTheKeyToEverything
@SoraTheKeyToEverything Жыл бұрын
Honestly I think what should and shouldn’t be canon should be left up to the players or viewers interpretation
@reggielacey2235
@reggielacey2235 Жыл бұрын
no
@MarioSonicBee
@MarioSonicBee Жыл бұрын
My opinion on the main timeline is, Sonic 1, Sonic CD, Sonic 2, Sonic 3K, Sonic Adventure, Sonic Adventure 2, Sonic Advance, Sonic Advance 2, Sonic Heroes, Shadow the Hedgehog, Sonic Battle, Sonic Advance 3, Sonic Rush, Sonic Rush Adventure, Sonic Rivals, Sonic Rivals 2, Sonic Riders, Sonic and the secret rings, Sonic Unleashed, Sonic and the black knight, Sonic Free Riders, Sonic Colors, Sonic Generations, Sonic Lost World, Sonic Forces, Sonic Frontiers.
@spaized8191
@spaized8191 Жыл бұрын
Sonic Battle would take place before Advance 3 because Battle is where Emerl first appeared as a character, and Advance 3 is a continuation of Emerls story as Gemerl. So Battle takes place before Advance 3.
@MarioSonicBee
@MarioSonicBee Жыл бұрын
@@spaized8191 oh right whoops got those swapped
@kyc3641
@kyc3641 Жыл бұрын
Where's 06?
@bakedbeans5494
@bakedbeans5494 Жыл бұрын
@@spaized8191 None of the games you mentioned are canon.
@Tyedyeninja04productions
@Tyedyeninja04productions Жыл бұрын
7:22 team sonic racing was confirmed to take place in between sonic lost world and forces
@epiclyepicguy
@epiclyepicguy Жыл бұрын
The idw comics are canon as in sonic frontiers, if you stand idle, there's a chance that sonic will say "I bet tangle would love climbing around these ruins," just search it up
@bakedbeans5494
@bakedbeans5494 Жыл бұрын
You all hate continuity.
@epiclyepicguy
@epiclyepicguy Жыл бұрын
@@bakedbeans5494 wdym
@videogollumer
@videogollumer Жыл бұрын
@@epiclyepicguy He hates Ian Flynn, Sonic Team, and anyone who doesn't agree with him. He's full of his name.
@bakedbeans5494
@bakedbeans5494 Жыл бұрын
@@videogollumer And you hate me. Virtue signalling has failed you.
@bakedbeans5494
@bakedbeans5494 Жыл бұрын
@@epiclyepicguy IDW has enough continuity errors.
@reggielacey2235
@reggielacey2235 Жыл бұрын
the comics events were stated to be canon by sega recently and prime was also stated to be canon
@RotcodFox
@RotcodFox Жыл бұрын
Some things I really wish weren't canon, such as Colors, Lost World, and Forces
@fluffeecats
@fluffeecats Жыл бұрын
i think an IDW comics game adaptation would be cool and if IDW is canon then that would help everyone know about it
@SONICSTA
@SONICSTA Жыл бұрын
that would be cool.
@ataberkdedemen9802
@ataberkdedemen9802 Жыл бұрын
Isn’t rivals 1 Silver’s first canon meeting with Sonic now? (Because 06 got reset)
@TEAL_INDIGO
@TEAL_INDIGO Жыл бұрын
the idw comics were confirmed to be part of the mainline canon, or atleast tangle and whisper were (sticks was also confirmed too)
@charismaentertainer1657
@charismaentertainer1657 Жыл бұрын
How do we tell him that IDW was confirmed canon now?
@hydrocityshark
@hydrocityshark Жыл бұрын
I’m sure he knows, but it’s not an ideal preference.
@fiblin483
@fiblin483 Жыл бұрын
Omfg Classic and Modern are the same character, Ian Flynn has said that multiple times. Mania = past.
@spaized8191
@spaized8191 Жыл бұрын
Nobody wants to believe that for some reason because of Generations and Forces. Screw those games stories, Classic and Modern Sonic are the exact same character for me.
@fiblin483
@fiblin483 Жыл бұрын
@spaized8191 I don't care whether it's single timeline or split, they were both the same character before the events of generations
@playerback7722
@playerback7722 Жыл бұрын
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@heftyrumble
@heftyrumble Жыл бұрын
I actually have solid proof that the IDW comics cannot be in the mainline Sonic canon. Before we get to talking about the IDW comics, let’s go over what we know first. Sometime after Sonic Forces, the events of Team Sonic Racing take place. The game is canon, thanks to Egg Memo #4 having a reference to Dodon Pa. We know it’s after Sonic Forces as Frozen Junkyard includes the giant Death Egg Robots from Sonic Forces. However, In Team Sonic Racing, one character is the linchpin of this argument: Zavok Here, Zavok is on Eggman’s team for some reason and as we can tell, he is perfectly healthy and non-injured. This will be important later Back to IDW. Issue 1 is the follow up to Sonic Forces 1 month later, with the possibility nothing Eggman related within that month as, one of the early plot lines was the case of the Missing Eggman, eventually found as Mr. Tinker in a village. And to set up for later, in issue 43, Vector is seen using the Beat Monster that was given to him by Dodon Pa. So, if Team Sonic Racing is canon, it must happen in the middle of the IDW run. Let’s get analyzing. In Team Sonic Racing, Eggman is back to Eggman; No Longer Mr. Tinker. Metal Sonic is back as a servant, and Zavok is in the game. In IDW, Zavok and the Deadly Six are reintroduced part way through the Metal Virus Arc, so TSR takes place after the Metal Virus Arc right? Well, in TSR, E-123 Omega is available to play as, and in the epilogue of the Metal Virus Arc, Omega is destroyed to bits, and gets repaired in the 2022 Annual: Weapons, which takes place shortly after 36. The Next Issue is 37, where it looks like there is no big connective tissue so TSR could happen then correct? NO. See, something I forgot to mention, is that in issue 30, Zavok is captured and imprisoned by the restoration, then eventually rescued in the Bad Guys miniseries, which happens before issue 33. During the last issue of the miniseries, Zavok is crippled and is being helped by an Eggman robot. This lasts until issue 41, in which starts the Deadly Six invasion of Restoration HQ. This plotline continues until issue 44, which, yes, includes issue 43. The inclusion of the Beat Monster. Hence, TSR CANNOT happen during the events of the Sonic IDW series, which further means that Sonic IDW is not canon to the game timeline.
@brandonsimpson693
@brandonsimpson693 Жыл бұрын
Sonic mentions comic book characters in frontiers
@bakedbeans5494
@bakedbeans5494 Жыл бұрын
Not valid.
@SlashCraftJack
@SlashCraftJack Жыл бұрын
To anyone who thought the Pink Flicky in Sonic Prime seemed familiar: it's Gamma. Also, the show was stated to be canon by the show runners. Also, the Eggman memos in Frontiers and in IDW both mentioned Dodon Pa Motors. It is also worth mentioning that IDW literally had 1 prequel comic and another that illuded to the game even before that one. The only thing I can't explain is Sticks, but then again, she's a 4th-Wall breaking wack-job
@SlashCraftJack
@SlashCraftJack 8 ай бұрын
As for Zavok in TSR, it's possible that it takes place in-between the comics' Metal Virus Saga and the next story arc. Zavok and the Deadly Six were temporarily separated after the events of the Metalic Plague Catastrophe Even Silver who had just returned to the future, we see in a couple issues later with no explanation of why he's back; the only way it makes sense is because he was recruited to race by Dadon Pa. He was even stated to be "stuck in the past" by him and the writers
@CaptBlock
@CaptBlock Жыл бұрын
I have two major points of disagreement: The first one, there is no way that SEGA is gonna let the Mario canon affect the Sonic canon, I find saying "Mario and Sonic is canon" to be more absurd than saying "Movie Sonic is canon". My second one, which I actually think is more important, I believe IDW is canon, and SEGA introducing Tangle, Whisper, and others into the games won't cause problems. When they bring back characters from other games it doesn't make people like "who's this?", so I think they can introduce Tangle and Whisper into the games without causing confusion.
@bakedbeans5494
@bakedbeans5494 Жыл бұрын
Tangle and Whisper were made by an American. Sega is a proud Japanese company.
@CaptBlock
@CaptBlock Жыл бұрын
@@bakedbeans5494 Tangle and Sticks (who I believe was also made by an American) were namedropped in Frontiers, so at least some version of these characters exist.
@bakedbeans5494
@bakedbeans5494 Жыл бұрын
@@CaptBlock Sticks was created by Hiroyuki Miyazaki and find me a mainline Sonic game where both Sticks and Tangle appear.
@CaptBlock
@CaptBlock Жыл бұрын
@@bakedbeans5494 Like I previously said, they were both mentioned in Frontiers, so it's highly likely that we'll see them appear in the near future.
@bakedbeans5494
@bakedbeans5494 Жыл бұрын
@@CaptBlock You're highly stupid more like. Sonic Boom was a failure and Sega probably won't allow an American made character in an official game.
@RightNowsReverie
@RightNowsReverie Жыл бұрын
This was a really good video of trying to tied everything up together in the series. Originally I was a little concerned of when they say that all of Sonic will be canon, but after this, I can rest easily knowing these are the best explanations. However fyi, Classic and Modern are back to being the same characters; after the backlash of the retcon Forces made. Which lets' all honest, that's the best decision lol
@wildberrysherbert3803
@wildberrysherbert3803 3 ай бұрын
The REAL answer is that it depends on who your asking, there is no one "true" canon as that would make it impossible to please everyone.
@AhmedMagdy-fl2bn
@AhmedMagdy-fl2bn Жыл бұрын
probably there is a sonic multiverse
@Tharja-iBW
@Tharja-iBW Жыл бұрын
Pretty sure it was confirmed that Sonic Prime is canon. Green Hill isn't that much seperated from sunset heights, there is no saying that Sonic can't have a house in Green Hill, the character also isn't a very good judge on what is canon or not either as Sonic's character has been inconsistent since the early 2000's. In the 90's he was a cool kid with an attitude, in the late 90's to early 2000's he was a snarky smartass and in the mid to late 2000's he was a genuine good guy hero that wanted what was best for everybody.
@KOTSOSMC2002
@KOTSOSMC2002 Жыл бұрын
For me it's easy. Every show except the clearly standalone/separate endeavors (tAoStH, SatAM, Underground, X and BOOM) is canon, aka TailsTube, Twitter Takeovers, Mania Adventures and Prime are canon. I've seen some people shrug off TailsTube and the Takeovers but I really don't get why, unironically through the Takeovers we've gotten the best representation of Shadow ever since 06 and TailsTube's latest episode literally ties straight into Frontiers, making its canonicity 10000% clear. Every film except the 2 Paramount films, the OVA and the short film that ties into the Paramount universe is canon, aka Night of the Werehog, TSR Overdrive, Rise of the Wisps, Chao In Space and Divergence are canon. No novels are canon, all of them either exist in the X universe (most have "Sonic X" on the title so it's undeniable) or the movie universes (I'm clearly talking about the movie novelizations). The Sonic Colors prequel manga and all post-Archie comics are canon, no exceptions. The specials with Classic Sonic, the Sonic Channel comic strips and pieces of art that show us more of the characters' lives, all the spin-off IDW series, the main IDW series, the Forces prequels, the Frontiers prequel, they're all canon. The legitimacy of these claims only gets reinforced with each day, with producers and writers from both Sonic Team and IDW clearly viewing all post-Archie comics this way. Like IDW or not you cannot deny this is the best approach, they've done the most consistent and naturally implemented world building from the franchise and fit right in with the main canon, I can't see why people wouldn't want them canon outside of Archie elitism. The elephant in the room are the games and again I think it's fairly simple. Thanks to its ties with Archie's comics and the legal disputes regarding Ken Penders Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood isn't canon. All 4 BOOM games and the BOOM-related Flash games are part of BOOM naturally, not the main timeline. Speaking of Flash games, all Flash games tied to things like Sonic X obviously are not canon. Sonic Spinball ties in with the SatAM show and Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine ties in with tAoStH. The Mario crossovers and the SEGA & Sonic All-Stars games are anybody's guess but imo don't fit in with the established universe at all, I'd say they're not canon. Everything else is canon, from the most obscure 90s spin-off like Tails And The Music Maker to the most well-known games. This feels the most coherent canon I've been able to put together and it works like a charm. A lot of people like to exclude things from the canon cause they either don't like them or don't care for them but that's both selfish and just plain boring.
@reggielacey2235
@reggielacey2235 Жыл бұрын
also idw is canon
@KOTSOSMC2002
@KOTSOSMC2002 Жыл бұрын
@@reggielacey2235 Yeah, I also said as much. It's on my fourth paragraph where I mentioned printed media.
@Hiphop270
@Hiphop270 Жыл бұрын
If it’s part of the twitter takeover it’s canon shadow be liking the lavender fr
@rubencomics74
@rubencomics74 Жыл бұрын
Its all connected through the multiverse. Mainline games. Movies. Prime. And Boom
@dominiclowe3640
@dominiclowe3640 Жыл бұрын
I think it's for the best that we act like Sonic Boom never happened, and sega should do the same
@rubencomics74
@rubencomics74 Жыл бұрын
@Dominic Lowe I like boom actually. Not everything but its pretty good
@mathewreich8979
@mathewreich8979 Жыл бұрын
​@Ruben Comics I apologized for this comment being long and don't take this the wrong way I completely respect your opinion I didn't like anything about sonic boom and I know the tv show was its "highlight" but to me the tv show was a couple of funny moments but everything else was the worst One of the biggest problems I have with boom specifically the tv show is that the characters never had development for example and specifically sonic, Sonic is a egotistical asshole and not really a nice person really he might be the biggest jerk in boom even eggman is nicer and he's the villian, Sonic out of all the characters needed the most development because of the reasons I said but they never did, boom sonic was closest we had to a fleetway sonic is terms of being jerk, asshole, dick what have you BUT at least fleetway sonic became a nice guy because he realized he was a jerk and had amazing development which is something boom sonic never had development he stayed a egotistical asshole the whole time Sorry for the long comment
@antinixsupernova
@antinixsupernova Жыл бұрын
I think by sega left it up to us to make our own cannon
@STShin
@STShin Жыл бұрын
I would much rather sonic prime being a tv show within the sonic universe since its implied in the Twitter take overs that sonic media exists in that universes canon
@ShadedAkumu
@ShadedAkumu Жыл бұрын
i personally think it should be up to interpretation and people need to stop arguing and putting each other down over it i'm a MASSIVE fan of the idw comics and i constantly get trashed for personally thinking they're canon
@kninzotagoni3635
@kninzotagoni3635 Жыл бұрын
Well guess archie is officially canon XD
@Flash-Light-Hope
@Flash-Light-Hope Жыл бұрын
How??
@kninzotagoni3635
@kninzotagoni3635 Жыл бұрын
@@Flash-Light-Hope basicly Sega saying everything that is made from sonic is canon from all the games tv shows and comics. just in different universe.
@kninzotagoni3635
@kninzotagoni3635 Жыл бұрын
@@Flash-Light-Hope that includes the adventures of sonic the headghog with robotnic screaming pengus.
@kninzotagoni3635
@kninzotagoni3635 Жыл бұрын
@@Flash-Light-Hope also if you want to say it's just the games. sonic spin ball features most of cast like bunny and Sally. so they are now apart of the canon regardless.
@Flash-Light-Hope
@Flash-Light-Hope Жыл бұрын
@@kninzotagoni3635 I didn't say just the games sonic prime and sonic x might be canon and Idw might also be canon the things that make sense will be canon
@TylerOfChaosYT
@TylerOfChaosYT Жыл бұрын
About that Twitter, I just recently found out that account isn't an official Sega account.
@SONICSTA
@SONICSTA Жыл бұрын
it is
@TylerOfChaosYT
@TylerOfChaosYT Жыл бұрын
@@SONICSTA Not according to them. All they say is that they publish stuff for them. That doesn't necessarily make it official. After all, if that were true, the Sonic lore would contradict itself heavily in more ways than one.
@Darian-sama
@Darian-sama Жыл бұрын
Sticks being mentioned in frontiers is my least favorite part of that game
@SONICSTA
@SONICSTA Жыл бұрын
😭😭
@RandomCarfromNFS
@RandomCarfromNFS Жыл бұрын
Why do you hate her
@Darian-sama
@Darian-sama Жыл бұрын
@@RandomCarfromNFS she’s incredibly annoying, isn’t funny in the show and she comes from sonic boom which is the worst thing In the franchise imo
@RandomCarfromNFS
@RandomCarfromNFS Жыл бұрын
@@Darian-sama she isn't tho
@Darian-sama
@Darian-sama Жыл бұрын
@@RandomCarfromNFS In my opinion she is, but I respect yours
@BMCBroManClash
@BMCBroManClash Жыл бұрын
Multiverse theory and canonical story.
@Flash-Light-Hope
@Flash-Light-Hope Жыл бұрын
What About Sonic X??
@Tyedyeninja04productions
@Tyedyeninja04productions Жыл бұрын
13:38 I’m an Archie believer. Just ‘cause we don’t see the characters in the games doesn’t mean the comics aren’t canon. I have a current theory that explains all the plotholes. As for fleetway? I say that takes place in the multiverse
@hydrocityshark
@hydrocityshark Жыл бұрын
The way I see it, all separate continuities are separate dimensions.
@thunderspark1633
@thunderspark1633 Жыл бұрын
I think really you are mixing up Cannon with the word continuity here which is understandable considering the words are used interchangeably. Because we are talking more about the order of events here, I tend to lean more to continuity here. Cannon for me personally is mainly lore elements and world building of the Sonic Universe. Sonic Movies are its own Cannon. Also in its own continuity. For the IDW comics and the games, I tend to think they are cannon to each other, even though the continuity will be branched and conflict no matter what. So you can argue these two are not in continuity to each other. What we can do is a general assumption that Elements are cannon to each other. Sonic Prime while being its own cannon, does share some continuity with the games, or rather a similar continuity that is modified slightly, if we are to follow Sonic's recollection moments. The same can be said about Sonic Boom, though we can head cannon that does have some past continuity in common with the main line continuity. Kind of like you have with Sonic Prime though much more noticable.
@SONICSTA
@SONICSTA Жыл бұрын
this is very well said! thank you for explaining this distinction
@thunderspark1633
@thunderspark1633 Жыл бұрын
@@SONICSTA No problem and do not feel bad for it because this problem is not unique to this fandom but others as well To be honest and in my opinion, it is a distinction that has to be made more when this is discussed. Especially with franchise like this one that has a relatively loose and ambigious lore story telling in terms of continuity and an established multiverse.
@Angie2343
@Angie2343 Жыл бұрын
No mention of Sonic Underground?
@wonderingminds4676
@wonderingminds4676 Жыл бұрын
everything that could be canon: sonic (all the mainline games that arent boom or with mario) sonic prime and sonic IDW tails tube sticks the bager (just the character not the version of her in boom im thinking sticks will be a new character introduced in the mainline stuff and act as a brand new character for the mainline sonic lore) (all of theanimated shorts on the sonic youtube channel) and things that are 100% not canon: sonic boom sonic movie sonic X sonic satam sonic underground the adventures of sonic the heughog sonic fleetway sonic archie sonic (the brithish comic) sonic and mario crossovers (like smash and the sports games) sonic twitter takeovers (things i WANT to be canon) the freedom fighters (the satam cast)
@bakedbeans5494
@bakedbeans5494 Жыл бұрын
Bad list.
@dominiclowe3640
@dominiclowe3640 Жыл бұрын
I think it's for the best that we act like Sonic Boom never happened, and sega should do the same
@wonderingminds4676
@wonderingminds4676 Жыл бұрын
i actually liked sonic boom a shame it got cut short...the game couldve been amazing had sega let big red botton cook
@danteshollowedgrounds
@danteshollowedgrounds Жыл бұрын
no thoughts head empty. That's very interesting though.
@ImperishableRetroZenith_1507
@ImperishableRetroZenith_1507 Жыл бұрын
Oficial Sonic account tweeted everything is canon So I think films and comics are just alternate timelines or universes And Video Games are in a alternate timeline of there own
@griffinholmes8024
@griffinholmes8024 Жыл бұрын
I also think Sonic’s earth is a advanced earth but in past years
@lilleidragon8301
@lilleidragon8301 6 ай бұрын
Sonic was made I 1991 and that was literally the same year the internet was released to the public. I believe as a result and the fact Sonic eventually became a meme I believe Sonic 's actual franchise has been effected by the internet and is very different from how it would be without it. I with the timing of Sonic and him being a meme I think perhaps means Sonic and the internet are inseparable and Sonic is like some microcosm of the internet which evolved right along side it. It is like where ever the internet goes Sonic is dragged along with it. I doubt Sonic is the only franchise or thing like this however effected by the internet. I even wonder if Sonic would even exist as a franchise without the internet past the 90s I think the internet may have prolonged it's existence. I think the things you see with things like Minecragt's community, Sonic, MLP, Undertale etc... I think that what people do with these things are the community is not because of just the franchises making people react the way they do it is a reflection of the internet and how it effects people not the franchises. For example you have Shrek and Shadow falling in love in Deviantart but Shrek and Sonic Adventure 2 we're both created around the same time in the early 2000s and deviantart also emerged in the early 2000s which may show it is the internet not Shrek or Shadow causing this behavior or making it more visible or easy to practice due to the internet or at least exaggerating it. Sonic existing since the start of the internet also means it was relevant since the earliest days of the internet and possibly could have gotten more content of itself online than some other things and franchises, although it is not the only one. MLP also existed in the 80s and got some show in 1992 around a similar time to when Sonic was made which went on to 1995 then seemed to suddenly get movies in the early 2000s. It also appears to have dramatically different canons like Sonic actually. I think perhaps the internet gave people including people into Sonic or other franchises and things a louder voice. People complained that Star Trek Next Generation was different from the original series before the internet so people have always complained about the canon being different in franchises with more than one canon even before the internet. I believe however the internet may exaggerate things when people react to anything including franchises and Sonic and the canon of a franchise. Even in the 90s when the internet was not as widely used likely the internet can have content which sometimes can be seen literal decades later and so even in the early days any content which got stored could possibly be seen when it was more widely used likely in the 90s or 2000s at some point, and I believe it is like it was a ticking time bomb and all the opinions and internet feedback exploded in the 90s and 00s Sonic had the rights given to seemingly like 3 companies outside of SEGA I believe that is when the canon split and it split 2 years after his creation this not only is quite early on for his canon to split, but means a lot of content will be online of people's reaction to Sonic and the canon. He got shows, cutscenes in his video games and comics all with seemingly distinct canons in the same year except Archie was really similar to AoStH in the beginning and STC had a few similar points to other canons but I think may have also been somewhat distinct. The versions of Sonic were so dramatically different they were like different franchises. Santa Claus is many things beyond the media but for example Santa Claus is also a figure or template which is many characters and franchises and I would claim Sonic became more like Santa Claus in this case than a franchise with many canons at least in 1993 he did. And it was almost like some future content was like Sonic was many franchises which sometimes had different iterations of themselves but sometimes overlapped in the future making it very confusing. I think the best word I can find for this type of thing is a template. Sonic is a template not a franchise or character which has been adapted into many things. But some of the franchises Sonic is in are different canons of the franchises he is in more like... Sort of... I guess Santa has no copy write claims and SEGA when asked if Sonic could be used in Wreck it Ralph and Super Smash Bros Brawl was just like, “Here you go!” but Nintendo did not allow Mario notice in Wreck it Ralph and lended Sonic to many companies beyond SEGA and Sonic was even in a progressive commercial like SEGA doesn't seem to really care about it's copy right claims or something. And is not very selective about who to give it to seeing what happened more than once. Although it is hard to say if it is this or the internet influenced SEGA. Could also be because Sonic was a video game which appeared to really seem to try to become a show or movie or something but was never allowed sometimes to have the freedom a non video game character and franchise would if he started as a show or movie instead. Sonic is not even consistently a game, or show, and even had comics and was in commercials. Santa also is in many things likely games, shows, movies, commercials too actually. But the dramatic variation in Sonic might have just added likely to cause the reaction of the fans of Star Trek TNG VS the original on steroids, now throw the internet into the mix and it's probably going to make everyone go absolutely NUTS. Not sure if the canons were the only thing for Sonic but it is one thing. Also Sonic becoming seemingly a template like Santa you can turn into anything which has been used in some franchises, and the fact his design is easy to draw and he is able to be adapted into both 2D animation and CGI and that in future content sometimes the other characters had a similar design to Sonic with a few features changed around it was easy to draw Sonic and once you knew how to draw Sonic you could draw almost all the characters like, Knuckles, Shadow, and Rouge, etc... All look very similar to Sonic with minor features changed and accessories added, Vector the Crocodile and Big the Cat are some of the only rare exceptions to the rule, so people can just change around Sonic's species, color, gender, accessories like shoes, etc... Or add more and his spikes to change the hair style to easily make any character you want without much effort, MLP is similar the ponies are easy to draw and almost all the ponies are clones of each other with minor features changes like colors, wings, horns, etc... And this could cause there to be lots of drawings, animations etc... Of Sonic online and with Sonic being many kinds of things and basically being a template where you can throw him into any franchise you want and turn him into anything it is possible it encouraged or allowed people to more easily turn Sonic into anything they want because he is basically a template, and with the fact most of the characters in some versions are just Sonic in terms of design with slight features changed people could easily make Sonic into any character they want which may also have contributed to some things online with Sonic because people could make their own version of Sonic and also make him into any character. I mean if there is another hedgehog character it might make sense for them to look more similar to Sonic or Knuckles looking similar makes sense because echidnas do actually look like hedgehogs but like all the characters look too much like Sonic without much variation in the actual franchise so it is SEGA who is unoriginal with the characters not exactly the fandom like if someone made a red Sonic and said he was a different character, well Shadow is basically a black Sonic, Knuckles is basically a red Sonic, and Silver is a white Sonic, and honestly almost all the characters are Sonic with minor features and colors changed anyways so it's honestly not like the franchise is doing much better. And throw the internet into the mix and you probably get people all making Sonic into what they want and making unoriginal designs for their Sonic character because this is how it is in the actual franchise. And maybe they might use Sonic to do all kinds of things, weird things too like make many drawings hence why maybe people have foot fettish art etc.. More for Sonic and maybe similar things for MLP and vore etc.. And Sonic existing long enough to have a lot more content online but recent enough to be relevant since the early days of the internet I believe that it is nothing about Sonic or MLP. I think that since Sonic may have more content of itself online and possibly MLP too you just see more content including things that are weird like fettish art etc... Because they have been around longer and you see more things including the crazy stuff.
@liamconnollyst
@liamconnollyst Жыл бұрын
I'm thinking some media in the Sonic franchise connects to it's own multiverse in my opinion since I thought other franchises do it as well
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