What is Chinese 9 Man Volleyball?

[@alanhirayama4592]

Excellent video, coach. As an Asian American (Japanese/Korean) growing up in Hawaii and California, I have seen Chinese 9-man VB but have never played it. I am not comfortable with the built-in racial exclusion rule, but given the context of its history, I can certainly understand it and I can see all the good it does in the Chinese American community, and the Asian American community as a whole.

[@silentperson233]

Could be viewed as a diversity rule, bringing the asian american community together. It reminded me of Singapore's law enforced diversity programs, requiring multiple ethnic groups living in an apartment building; it supposedly helps different ethnic groups get along since they're forced to be neighbors.

[@logankue9627]

Awesome video. As a fellow Asian American I always enjoy learning about the history of other cultures especially when it's associated with this country. Great content on your channel coach.

[@mikeinglis4705]

Thank you for posting this video! I've heard of 9-man volleyball but had no idea of the history. This was a great explanation and really a great service to many of us who have not had to deal with racial prejudice at all in our lives. Well done!!

[@leonardhass612]

Wow, stellar information that really made me understand the history of 9 man volleyball! As a fellow Asian, I appreciate what you are doing for all asian athletes.

[@Codjawaman10]

Great video coach! I always talk about 9man and how crowded it must be to play, but you mentioned the dimensions of the court. I am sad that I was never get to play because of my ethnicity :( You are a very wise person coach, keep up the good work.

[@CyrusOliverLee]

Thank you for educating us Coach Donny!

[@xenoxai]

This is amazing Coach! Just in time cuz I was just recruited to a team 3 days ago! Very educational!

[@RafaelSausen]

Great Video! Nice job coach!

[@goneballistic]

I thought a giant fight broke out, but it turns out it was a Chinese 9 man game. Interesting story about the history of this game coach! I'm white as the driven snow and didn't understand the proud and difficult history of this game and it's racial origins. Very fun to learn about this game, super fun to watch it, and a I'm really glad this is still being played to honor the history of the people that played and loved it. Thanks for uploading this.

[@MikeSousaphoto]

This is great! Thank you for sharing this. I have never heard of 9 man before. It must be fun to watch.

[@604Samurai]

I grew up in Vancouver and only heard about 9-man when I went to university out East...while playing rec vball (6s) with friends from Toronto they mentioned this 9-man game and my reaction was: "9? That sounds whack!" They made it sound interesting, but I never knew the rich history and significance it held until now. Thanks for such an informative and well-made video!

[@deborahvanbolderen2873]

Bravo! Thanks for sharing. We will watch the doc with my high school phys. ed. class.

[@parisedflores531]

Loved it, Donny. Thanks for sharing this great variation of volleyball! Keep it strong, man.

[@alexjo8935]

damn couch you've turned into a history channel

[@sunnyd5588]

Great video! Coach superb

[@Siyth]

Appreciated this video! Love hearing about AAPI history!

[@VadamDxD]

Hey Coach, Haikyu reaction watcher here. I was watching your 9 Man Finals video and was wondering what the technique number 23 on Smash was using when they would spike the ball, since it looked like he was dunking it, which I have now learned is the Fast Ball. But what I did not expect was the lesson I learned soon after that brought me to tears. I am shocked I never learned about the struggles of Chinese Americans in any part of my education (High School education). Honestly at first when I heard the 3/9 Asian Descent or Mixed rule I was a bit saddened because I'm white but I understand now and respect that fully. Thank you for educating me and opening my eyes.

[@marce6446]

Great video, very informative!!

[@Asher312]

Woah, what an incredibly unique event. I mean I've hardly ever heard of a game played solely out of historical importance and respect. I was shocked at first about the 6/9 full chinese descent rule but I totally get it 💯

[@xcelfitpat]

Thanks, coach for this very informative and honest education on Chinese 9 Man Volleyball. As a fellow coach and player and someone who grew up in the US in an area with a strong Asian population - mostly Filipino and Korean and smaller Chinese community - I have great respect for Asian culture. I was always the extremely tall white kid who was treated like family and fed very well in these homes - I ended up an even 2 meters and I'm pretty sure the food I ate as a kid helped a lot. I understand the arguments in regards to the "racist" nature of the game/sport and that it was a response to incredible oppression and racism predominantly from the white community. There is also to this day a very strong racial tension between the African American and Asian communities which is unfortunate. I'm sure much of this relates to the drive for success and the pressure kids feel to become successful in many of these cultures and that too has led to many unfair stereotypes in American culture. I too would hope that perhaps some version of the sport eventually opens up to more multi-ethnic play but can understand the desire to maintain the sport for what it mainly is - a celebration of Chinese culture and a historical outlet that was created to deal with incredible adversity and discrimination. I think it would be a great way to help educate various ethnicities on Chinese culture and history in America. With China and America currently the world powers that they are I'm sure this could be helpful in each culture better understanding each other. Mad props to folks diving around on what are basically parking lots. Must be a lot of skin left on those courts!

[@enlighten_me1912]

Really diggin this. I need to do a 9 man. Looks super fun!

[@pablodelpapa1825]

Very interesting and instructing vidrio. Great job coach .!!!

[@danilofracoi]

Awesome!!! I wish i could play this one day!!

[@luissepulveda7291]

Danilo Francoi If your Asian yes

[@Staktaz1]

but what if you just want to try it out lol

[@NovaVFX]

I live in Boston and I saw the 9 man games this year.

[@fluxcorenz]

Fascinating (and frankly saddening) origins and history of the game, great video! If only humans can get past the exclusionary, oppressive and prejudicial attitudes...

[@georgstrahlemann7972]

It is sad, that there is still racism in sports. In my volleyball team in Germany we play together with 3 refugees. We have different religions and origin but there are no problems beside some language issues. Thanks for your videos. They helped me to improve as a player.

[@jinto12]

very interesting. and nice to learn about the history behind it.

[@gomeesh37]

Great Video!

[@murky2]

Thank you for the history and social lesson!

[@mackreed4856]

I find the history behind this sport quite interesting! I saw a couple videos before with 9Man games and was curious if I was eligible to play; although I couldn’t at tournaments such as the ones you described (due to my European decent), Id love to see if there are smaller groups that I could play with someday! Great video overall! 😊👍

[@Destamoon]

At first when you were explaining the rules I thought to myself "wow this is a lame variation" but after learning about the history and culture of the game I can't help but feel tremendous respect and connection to it, even though I'm not american

[@wlee31]

Awesome history information!!!

[@parisedflores531]

You are, indeed, a great coach :)

[@b4k3t]

This reminds me of so much of old volleyball in philippines, so much culture!!!

[@Uttaela]

In Korea they also play with 8 people in club volleyball so times. Interesting 🤔 I love educational videos on volleyball I love this sport!!!

[@therizzle8327]

This was such an interest video.

[@tonyw1988]

Great video Donny!

[@jonieevangelista]

thank you for the history!

[@jptobias]

Great vídeo coach!

[@Kevinsharkgaming]

Omg imagine trying to spike past a 5 man wall

[@999matau]

Really cool video! Sorry to hear about the prejudice.. I wish I could be Asian- so that I can play 9 man

[@hanxu9985]

Thanks Coach Donny for this history lesson. You are inspiration for rebutting MULTIPLE negative stereotypes! Just one question; how strict is the racial requirement? For example, if I am Chinese, but look different?

[@jaychambers198982]

Great video coach! It's crazy to hear the history of how it all started and me being an African American myself I totally accept that it's a Asian only sport. You want to feel like as race itself that you have something to call your own. And until the world stops all of this "racistism" (and let's be real, there will always be racist out there) then maybe the Asian community will share it with the world! Looking forward to the indoor play vids!

[@inouttennis2314]

great stuff

[@doityourselfpb8614]

this is cool. I wonder if there's 9-man being played outside the USA. Certainly not here in HK as far as I know.. I think it's a cool sport with obviously proper rules so it should be playable anywhere. Also, there is a form of volleyball in the Philippines with completely different set of rules, net, and is played on grass!

[@dannyzhang1763]

This looks really fun, only problem is that no one will play this with me :(

[@Kerreber]

Danny Zhang yeah you need even more people than regular indoor, what a hassle! Cool to learn about this though

[@dannyzhang1763]

where I live pretty much no one plays volleyball, so it's pretty sad

[@miasernaa]

+Danny Zhang awww

[@evellyn2583]

Very good!!!!!

[@tdd9435]

I understand the sport has an history of racial discrimination against the Chinese American community... but today, Chinese 9 man players exclude and segregate non-Asian from playing 9 man volleyball... in 2021, for me, it's called hypocrisy. You need to learn and respect the heritage of the game, but even more important, in 2021, you should share your culture to others for progress, openness and inclusion. I kind of get it though, if non-Asian would challenge these rules, they will be targeted as non respectful of Chinese tradition. On the other hand, Asian people gets to be inclusive and have fun playing this sport, so they might not see the motivation and take the risk to challenge the whole tradition and organizations around this sport. It still does not make this right.

[@tann_man]

It's an obvious violation of civil rights but then again civil rights are a violation of the freedom of association. We can't have 9 man and civil rights. As you said - hypocrisy. One has to go. I'd prefer to restore the 1st amendment. We can better preserve cultures and people can better express their preferences that way - which is better for individuals their communities and the economy.

[@alejandrosalazardiaz4045]

Good video

[@TonksHost]

man, its so cool!!!

[@cinemasianx]

What are the volleyballs used in competition on a blacktop/concrete surface? Are you using indoor balls? Or beach balls?

[@s.jmonty7891]

Nice!!!!!!!!!

[@LittleManTLOZ]

Awesome they should use theses rules for native/Indian volleyball or let us enter in the tournaments.

[@rxu3487]

no

[@emirhakkgundogdu9069]

It's good i like this

[@totaltemple]

Thanks for this informative video! My daughters both play volleyball, the older at a D2 college and the younger on varsity at her high school. They are half-Japanese and half-Black. Can they play in the women’s league?

[@totaltemple]

[e-mail] the older is a freshman in college and the younger is a junior in high school

[@jonathanchang4781]

could you make a video on How to spike high balls, please?

[@noahanderson703]

Jonathan Chang what do you mean by high balls?

[@jonathanchang4781]

Noah Anderson you know how sometimes there's like a bad receive and the only thing someone can do is put the ball up, ending up in a super high ball, but what my coach wants is that instead of passing the ball with platform he wants us to attack it.

[@soleschan2679]

Ayyyyyy NYC MINI LETS GET IT SEWARD PARK

[@moodboom69]

Volleyball was invented in America. Chinese 9 man volleyball is volleyball. That Asia rule is hilarious. The shorter net is a bummer however. All in all. I wish to play someday.

[@almasilyassov5148]

Finally our heritage is protected

[@shogun1650]

4:35 is that Oikawa?

[@Charlie-fv9hk]

its pretty ironic that this game grew out of a climate of racial discrimination, but to play, you must be of a certain race.

[@tann_man]

civil rights violation. Easy lawsuit. We should get rid of civil rights and restore freedom of association to better preserve cultures.

[@cvarep]

how is the blocking so bad with 6 people in front court?

[@nhuduuong]

Blocking is not allowed to penetrate the net, which means when a hitter hits, the ball will only deflect backwards or upwards, not down.

[@Psych0m0rph]

Net height is 2.35 m?

[@rbflapjackful]

Interesting video. It is a little strange though that they exclude other races in a sport founded because of racism. Wouldn't it be a great way to educate non-asians into asian culture? Instead, it just excludes them and widens the division. In order to protect their culture they shouldn't exclude non-asians but mandate half the team be Chinese and the other half any other race.

[@rxu3487]

Read josh barrina's comment

[@Neenjuh]

Awesome video Coach! Have some empathy guys if you really believe this video is racist. You sound hella ignorant if you feel that way.

[@user-iu1ru1qz7u]

Thai Wahh how exactly is anyone sounding ignorant for pointing out a very obvious fact? Like seriously, you don't even have an argument and you call people ignorant because they're against a fully segregationist event? Ridiculous.

[@ซารีเบียแฮปี้แชแนล]

Thai Wahh ดุฟภาพยนต๋หนังใหม่

[@canadianuserthe]

Low net for short Asians then right?

[@dchen345]

I can't believe the amount of ignorance in this comment thread.

[@b4k3t]

Fast ball is actually legal in indoor volleyball

[@mrROBOGUTS]

really? cuz i get a lot of crap from others when i do it.

[@b4k3t]

mrROBOGUTS yeah it is just in one motion and touch, its also considered as a power tip

[@cvarep]

how did that guy get a sefvice ace with 9 people ? hahah

[@hpcsonline]

Great VDO, the history of 9 man volleyball, but when you started talking about the racial inequalities - this vdo turned into a political rant. Being called Asian shouldn't be offensive - it isnt' to me - we are asians afterall -- it is our ethnicity. Other words you've used in the vdo are indeed offensive and racist. thanks for sharing the history and vdo.

[@RacleandRaHill]

this isnt racist...

[@MusicFoRealz]

It really isn’t

[@bevdaaa]

Why not people from India they are also from Asia ????

[@user-iu1ru1qz7u]

murtaza painter because they're straight up racist, the fact that they like to pretend they're not is the most offensive. They let Koreans play, but not Indians, which as you point out, are Asian.

[@SnailKingGY]

Get the fuck off this video then

[@user-iu1ru1qz7u]

Why? Because pointing out the truth bothers you? Cry me a river douchebag.

[@zeiyning]

this is nuts

[@philevans6395]

wait so non-asians can't play at all?

[@matijamolnar3938]

Not athletic??!! Who? Chinese?!? Who ever says that, they know nothing about vball, China has one of the best vball teams! I guess it can't be helped, racism will always exist, sadly (hope not)

[@jamimorris7106]

In the U.S. it is very different. Google the "model minority".

[@TheMrPeteChannel]

Imagine if I created a 6 vs 6 version of basketball and said to play you have to be white. That's what 9 man volleyball basically is. A segregated sport.

[@tann_man]

It's an obvious violation of civil rights but then again civil rights are a violation of the freedom of association. We can't have 9 man and civil rights. As you said - hypocrisy. One has to go. I'd prefer to restore the 1st amendment. We can better preserve cultures and people can better express their preferences that way - which is better for individuals their communities and the economy.

[@JM3-675]

Let’s respond to racial discrimination with more racial discrimination... Any exclusion of others on the basis of race is by definition racist. You can promote 9-men events celebrating the heritage without excluding others.

[@tann_man]

That's how you preserve culture. Culture is inherently exclusionary and that's a good thing. down with civil rights and up with freedom of association.

[@JM3-675]

@@tann_man I’m sure the KKK said the same thing

[@davidtu3045]

Bruh wally lee was my coach

[@tann_man]

This sport is an easy civil rights court case. Forced integration of white groups also means forced integration of immigrant peoples and cultures.

[@LVbracka]

Rip knees.

[@alfredosalgado4174]

Coach Donny are you you Chinese? If not, what is your racial backgroud

[@vancior]

But i never see this in China

[@王伟-m5i]

海南常見

[@TheAHUProject]

What about hmong people ? Arent we consider chinese too

[@SnailKingGY]

Hmong are considered Chinese

[@TheAHUProject]

KingofSnails i know ,just wanted to clarify it with others first . 9man is a sport i learned base off of watching only so far. Soon ill join

[@jamimorris7106]

Email coach donny if you really want to get involved.

[@danicadavid1176]

I'm sorry you still get racial prejudice.

[@Happy-cm7uo]

America is a sad, sad place.

[@dkoda840]

Rayndolf!!! How so.

[@AndreLindo]

As much as I love volleyball and your videos, I feel this is racist. I just don't get why people always have to separate because of where they are born or what colour their skin is. I was born black. I didn't have a choice. To not allow other people in because of where or how they are born is RACIST. Its unfair, I would love to play this game, but sorry, I'm black, my family didn't go through the Chinese oppression, just sold as cattle and weren't even thought of as humans. The other comments say it best. IF white guys came together and made a tournament with just white people and maybe some European, people would go crazy. It's funny though, with Chinese people its hit or miss with me. Ill walk down the street, and Chinese people will get all scared, but when shoot weddings they are uncomfortable at first, but once they know I'm not going to rob them, its all fun and games. Accept people. Sigh. Nothing I can do about this anyways, its not like I'm going to lobby for a all black team to go to the 9 man tourny ... ill just play basketball or each some watermelon and chicken...

[@arthurnorcome3967]

Andre Lindo another black man here. You should read josh’s comment pinned to the top. According to him its only the two major tournaments that hold to those rules so if you wanted to play you could.

[@AndreLindo]

Arthur Norcome ok... but it still doesnt dispute the fact that it is racist... its not tbe only thing like this... here in canada they have chinese only basketball leagues as well as chinese and filipino only volleyball leagues... i just wish some would just acknowledge its racist and hope to have things changed

[@dchen345]

As someone who is black, how can you be so ignorant? What would you say if someone who was privileged but not black demanded inclusion into the NAACP and their justification was that the group discriminates against anyone who isn't black? The whole point of the organization is for the advancement of a people who has faced and still faces hardship. What would you say to the Americans who argue against getting rid of Black History Month because it is "racist"? What would happen if I demanded to be included in an event by say the Hispanic American Council? Your rebuttal to the original issue could be that Chinese face no discrimination nor hardships in modern day but that wouldn't be honest nor would it be the point. (Simply look at current headlines of the Department of Justice's investigation into Harvard's discrimination against Asian Americans.) Perhaps you should change your perspective of this [singular] tournament from one which is exclusive to one which exists to celebrate a cultural legacy (hence my mention of Black History Month above). If you are ideologically opposed to ALL GROUPS which celebrate any people's origins, history, and differences then I don't know what to tell you. You would have a point though and in that regards I agree with you then that the 9 man tournament is racist. (Also, I understand you're Canadian but hopefully you understand the American references.)

[@BMGPP]

dchen345 no problem man. Yes, i dont know much about NCPAA but i can speak to black history month example. Everyone is welcomed to learn and be apart of black history month. Its just focuses on the black history and the hardships we had and celebrates the great things black people have done for their countries and for the world. Black history month is not a basketball tournament that only allows black people. This tournament, yes, celebrates chinese hardships and what they went through at that time, but it doesnt include ppl based on their race and based on where they come from. I am not ingnorant, i understand fully that we have BET and other black centric things. But the word is black centric, not black ONLY. You can have Chinese centric events and festivals and allow everyone to participate. But you should know what it feels like to be left out... dont be the same.

[@luissepulveda7291]

Even after centuries Asia is still isolationist

[@skylerledrew2220]

So I can’t play 9 man because I’m not Asian.. thanks for establishing this amazing rule, whoever made this game mode... =/

[@mathieucote6624]

Wasted my time on a video of a sport I cant even play. Wtf

[@SHrazer]

WTF that fast attack isnt foul?

[@larryle2065]

SHrazer did you not watch the first part of the video lols...

[@SHrazer]

i watched after my comment XD i wrote when i saw first hghlight... my bad

[@hotsoz]

Imagine if Black Americans concocted their own annual volleyball tournament that was an outlet to their suffering, hardship, and discrimination and excluded every other ethnicity from playing it. Would that be called racism? In this day and age, inclusion of all races and ethnicity should be accepted in any sports. The sufferings that Asians Americans experienced in the past should be acknowledge but we should learn from the past and tear the walls of separation among people of all colors. Having an annual tournament that does not accept outsiders besides Asians does not help propagate the message of unity and love.

[@OnchiBon]

Scratch black, put white. That would cause a civil war.

[@RacleandRaHill]

theyre celebrating their history and culture with a sport they celebrate with themselves, theres nothing wrong with that. just because you dont think theres enough 'diversity' in their game means theres something wrong with it

[@OnchiBon]

That's not the point. Imagine a white group excluding any other group from playing a game, that would cause a tsunami of backlashes. I'm talking riots, attacks, death threats, you name it.

[@dumbunny6]

Max, this is an interesting subject that has nuances. I think that if a white power group decided to have their own whites-only volleyball tournament in their own community, most people wouldn't care much. However, if they decided to go out of their way to have the tournament at, say, UC Berkeley, then that would set people off, but that would be an incredibly immature thing to do. When unrest occurs, it's important to look at the details of the situation. I'm not making a value judgment regarding exclusion, but when you start talking about riots, you're letting your imagination run away with you.

[@jarambarri1997]

Dean Yasuda it's also about their culture, it's not like you can't play 9 man volleyball . they just have their own tournament done in a traditional sense to honour all their ancestors hardships and triumphs over them. it also brings the Chinese culture closer together.

[@kyloskate]

For me is just a racism. I am white and i can not play. Me and my other colour skin friends feel discriminated...

[@jamimorris7106]

That's ok. 9 man came from a terrible time inflicted by White America back then. It's easy to understand and appreciate once you study the history. But you are more than welcome to enjoy other Chinese celebrations. I'm not Asian and I am 100% in support of cultural traditions, especially by people groups who were beaten up by the early U.S.

[@rcola7641]

This is racist 😕😕

[@Raytaotao]

Great video!