What is ECO: A Covenant Order of Evangelical Presbyterians?

[@jakerinehold9697]

WOW .... ECO emblem looks like a fully Organic Church. No pesticides or preservatives added. Eco Friendly, no GMOs, Gluten Free.

[@cbrad-eo6nt]

No Genetically Modified Orthodoxy here!

[@GitzenShiggles]

And best of all; CONSERVATIVE! 👍

[@DerickTheHeroV2]

I didn't even watch this video specifically, just wanted to comment on your most recent video in the hopes of increasing the chances of you seeing it. Your work is genuinely fantastic and I have a deep respect for you. I've been looking up everything I can for unbiased takes on different sects, and your channel is one of the best. Keep doing what you are doing and you will continue to have more and more success. Thank you for the hard work and research that goes into this video format style.

[@Toneytc]

@@ReadyToHarvest good one

[@SantaFe19484]

Happy Resurrection Sunday!

[@jacksonadkins4693]

Hey Joshua, I've really enjoyed your videos on the different denominations. I am currently a college student and was wondering if you would do a video on some of the larger college ministries such as BCM and the Navigators. Thank you for your great content!

[@zumbi2000]

I know Rod Pinder! He’s a wonderful brother in Christ, and has been very helpful in my discernment process. Even after I decided ECO wasn’t the right fit for me he’s been a good friend.

[@Spudeaux]

I visited a church here a while ago that was Presbyterian, but didn't advertise which denomination they belonged to. They're in the PCUSA, but have been trying to leave for ECO since it started.

[@nicholasshaler7442]

Weird for a denomination founded on returning to a more biblical and traditional Presbyterianism to reject the Biblical Pauline teaching on women preaching and perpetual Presbyterian practice of male-only pastors from John Knox to very recent.

[@sjduges67]

There is a church in Southern CA that has that dual agreement between the Presbyterian and United Methodist Church. It used to be on the campus of USC and has since moved to another site off campus. It’s still an active church.

[@bhilbert11]

I would love to see you do a video on the Free Presbyterian Churches of Ulster and America.

[@kevionrogers2605]

My wife is a church musician and two of the churches left pcusa to eco in Alabama.

[@brendaboykin3281]

Thank you,Joshua🌹🌹🌹🌹

[@nickvierling7052]

I think a video on the Plymouth Brethren would be great. Very little information exists on them and I would like to know more.

[@Sebman1113]

When I was a kid in growing up in Minnesota I have been raised going to ELCA churches most of my life. I still go to ELCA churches as a young man going to college. however, there was a small period of time when my family moved and we started going to church with my Grandparents. We gone to Christ Presbyterian Church in Edina Minnesota. It was probably The biggest PCUSA congregation in the state at the time. It was also later a founding member of ECO. My grandparents didn't like leaving a denomination over what they viewed as such a nonessential issue so they became Lutheran again (my family left before because it was too far a drive.

[@thetraditionalist]

Interesting, I remember you mentioning them but didn't know much about their beliefs

[@anthonygamblin9983]

First Presbyterian in Branson is an ECO church. The pastor, and church, hold a continuationist view of the gifts of the Holy Spirit

[@lordcharlesthomas]

I was wondering if you would be interested in doing a video on the 'Catch the Fire' churches, a group of charismatics who operate in the US and Canada, I know a handful of people who are part of said churches and would be interested in getting a well presented view of what they believe, a blessed Easter to you Joshua

[@anyanyanyanyanyany3551]

If I remember correctly, COG TN are also egalitarian in that they allow women to preach as pastors, but would not allow them to hold higher office. Other than the issue of women preachers, the COG TN is fairly conservative on most matters, including sexuality and marriage. Please correct me if I'm wrong, because I was raised in a COG TN church in Indonesia (known as Indonesian Bethel Church).

[@georgebernard5783]

3:07 The Church of the Straits has since left the UMC. It now holds dual affiliation with ECO and the Global Methodist Church

[@michigantraveler]

My Presbyterian Church looks like its going towards ECO and away from Presbyterian USA 😂

[@toughbiblepassages9082]

They sound SO similar to EPC and the only difference between them, is so small, yet they still want to be separate denominations.. like.. leave it to Presbyterians to split over the smallest matter.

[@RepublicofE]

"We affirm women in ministry because of the Bible, not cultural trends." I mean, some would consider the Enlightenment to be a cultural trend but okay.

[@pierrelabounty9917]

The enlightenment was far from being a cultural trend. Considering the new testament and Paul's salutations; women are able to minister greatly in the living Body of Yeshua; where men are not in the task enough around the world. There is no female or male in Christ at that point. So it ceases to be a sexual issue. I know nothing much about the denominational variants on this. Others may. God did not make women as a second thought. They are among others thongs the best nurturers in many ways of children and young men; when they are true to their providential task. And self evident. Men are among other things to help provide fir children and women . And all are to serve best by putting Christ first in all things. The churches assimilation of cultural values is another problem. We have to deal with that individually in our lives as well. The first two commandments are fulfilled by faith in Christ alone. No idols in place of or by the side of. Praise God in all things. All this seems again self evident from the scrotures in total and our spiritual expereince and necessities. Let Christ be in control.

[@Garyguygax]

Doing exactly what cultural trends ask. Saying you aren’t following cultural trends. Claim biblical basis. No one claimed this was biblical for thousands of years until it became a cultural trend. Hmmm…..

[@albertito77]

@@Garyguygax 💯💯💯

[@albertito77]

The Enlightenment was absolutely a cultural trend

[@billyhw99]

Looks like a circuit diagram.

[@jeremybullen655]

I find it regrettable that the denomination is willing to alienate complementarians, and I dont think their argument even follows. Its possible for a complementarian to deny the appropriateness of female ministers without denying that they legitimately hold the office. Its really quite bizarre that they put their foot down firmly here.

[@lapisliozuli4861]

This has the same vibes as Orange Catholic Tabernacle Temple

[@highviewbarbell]

"Saint John Coltrane African Orthodox Church" (yes, that's real and no it's not in communion with EO, of course)

[@EcclesiastesLiker-py5ts]

Orange Catholic? Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a man...

[@jeffkardosjr.3825]

Honesdale!

[@gabesmith9171]

The PCUSA has been a lost cause for a long time. I wish there was just the PCA and OPC as conservative alternatives- no use diluting Presbyterianism

[@slamdancer1720]

some ARP are pretty conservative too.

[@amecamusic9399]

The whole reason ECO exists is because they wanted to keep the Egalitarianism. Otherwise they probably would have joined the PCA.

[@brendenporterfield327]

"No guys, we don't ordain women because we're *politically* modernists, we do it because we're *theologically* modernists,"

[@GitzenShiggles]

This one holds to the same beliefs as I do, or at least the closest thereof. I think I've found my forever church! Update: I can't associate with an egalitarian church. Moving on...

[@jeremiahcollins9630]

You are most welcome! Hopefully you can find a good congregation near year.

[@Habit7]

The Apostle Paul won't be able to meet the standards of this denomination.

[@TheAngelin2000]

how many Christian churches are there?

[@lucybarnes8969]

Yes

[@MAMoreno]

From the Nicene Creed: *We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.* *We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.* *We look for the resurrection of the dead,* *and the life of the world to come. Amen.* (Some denominations would like to exclude others from the one church over non-credal matters, but this is what we confess nonetheless.)

[@abrahamissac5938]

The church is a like a tree. & some claim to be the original & some from the original claim the original lost its way therefore create a split in the church. The most powerful/rich ones are Orthodox, Catholic, Protestant, Baptist, Pentecostal & the rest of the church’s are mostly non-denominational or independent. I myself lean on to the poor churches because I find them not hypocritical on textual teachings ish.

[@Garyguygax]

One

[@bigscarysteve]

As for the number of Christian denominations, it's often claimed that there are tens of thousands. Joshua once did a video on this. Unfortunately, I forget its title. Anyhow, he showed that the number of denominations claimed to exist is highly exaggerated. One reason is that the same denomination gets counted more than once depending on how many countries it exists in, and other such strange vagaries which greatly expand the numbers claimed.

[@GermanShepherd1983]

Why not just switch the church to the Orthodox Presbyterian Church if they want to go more conservative? We have way too many denominations the way it is and people keep starting more new ones.

[@slamdancer1720]

Because they are NOT orthodox, nor are they particularly conservative, merely more so than PCUSA. The OPC would require many changes.

[@hjk7833]

The OPC is significantly different from ECO, such that ECO churches would not want to join OPC and OPC would not want to have them. The OPC hews much, much more closely to the Westminster Confession of Faith, and it is certainly not egalitarian. The more obvious fit to me would be the EPC. I have a pastor friend who led his church to leave the PC(USA) for the EPC right at the time when ECO was formed. I asked him why he thought ECO came into existence, when the churches who formed ECO could have just left for the EPC. He said that one factor (among many) had to do with the fact that some PCUSA Presbyteries would not let a church leave the denomination to go to a denomonation that was not explicitly egalitarian. As the video mentions, the EPC allows for the ordination of women, but does not have a unified stance on the issue, allowing churchse (and presbyteries, iirc) to disagree and refuse to hire female pastors. In taking an explicit and unwaivering egalitarian stance, ECO provided a place where some PCUSA churches could land without having the presbytery block them or sieze their property.

[@GermanShepherd1983]

@@slamdancer1720 So then the ECO is just PCA Light?

[@slamdancer1720]

@@GermanShepherd1983 no...more like PCUSA heavy. Much closer to PCUSA than OPC or PCA. for example, ALL officers in the OPC MUST hold to the Westminster standards, and is complementarian.

[@amecamusic9399]

It's not that much more conservative than PCUSA. The only reason they didn't join PCA is because of the Egalitarianism.

[@Austin8thGenTexan]

The culture wars - and "who can break away from each other" contest wears me out. I wonder how this will play out when everyone now over age 50 are dead and long gone... 🤔

[@EcclesiastesLiker-py5ts]

Very corporate logo. 🌱

[@hjk7833]

You say that, "The great majority of churches teach an amillenial view." That surprises me. I am a member of an ECO church and was an elder at that church, and I would not have guessed that. What is your basis for making this claim?

[@thelasthandbook6704]

I just got a really "interesting" ad. 😐 Something, something a woman sinffing a man's armpit was in there somewhere.

[@alexandrub8786]

Something something ads are based on your search history and interests.

[@thelasthandbook6704]

@@alexandrub8786 Okay, that's it. VPN only from now on. 😜

[@bigscarysteve]

@@alexandrub8786 I know the ads you see have little to no connection to the video you're watching, but I see a lot of very weird ads having nothing to do with anything I've ever searched for. I wish I had an explanation for that.

[@justsomeguywithmustachio5369]

Day 1 of asking for, explanation about Kingdom Of Jesus Christ by Apollo quiboloy

[@paulmiller7775]

Wow I was with them until you revealed they are egalitarian. :(

[@albertito77]

Same 😢

[@geekygecko1849]

Oh no! Not equality!

[@daveb9342]

They can cram their dictatorial crap on requiring obedience to the forced acceptance of women eldership and pastor ship.

[@aaronwalterryse4281]

Galations 3:28

[@abeycee7427]

So Christian to say people can "cram" their "crap" . Disappointing

[@daveb9342]

@@aaronwalterryse4281 The same apostle refers to prohibition of women speaking in the assembly as well as usurping the authority of men in leadership in the home and in matters of tree church.

[@daveb9342]

@@abeycee7427 Yes it is Christian to deal bluntly with the babbling of fools. Paul said, " I refuse to suffer fools gladly."

[@abeycee7427]

@@daveb9342 No wonder people are walking away from Christianity and religion altogether.