What Is Element 6 and Why is Spamton Cat

[@HalfBreadChaos]

Time to Make a FAQ: Q: "I thought Element 6 was sound?" A: This theory seems to have originated with 2 Left Thumbs. He didn't go into much detail on how he arrived at this conclusion, but the argument is that Tasque Manager shouts commands, Tasque has sonic-bullet meows, and Spamton has a phone hand, therefor it's sound. I'd argue that if any bullets should be sound, it should be Sweet Cappin' Cake's music bullets, and Ambylance's attacks since Ambulance's tend to have very loud sirens, Wait shouldn't normal Spamton's "Word Bullets" attack also be sound then? I don't even. Q: Why are you calling that a staff when it's clearly a gun arm? A: It could also be a staff-arm. Or a cannon arm. Or a pencil-arm that shoots out magic lead-bullets. If none of the in-game description or dialogue addresses what something is, I'm going to be charitable and consider the multiple interpretations of what we're seeing. That's why I said "staff-like." It looks similar to a staff. It's stiff, doesn't bend, and has the same colors as mew-mew's, But it might not be a staff. A pencil isn't a sword, but in the Dark World it can be interpreted as a sword, and so, for Kris, it is. Q: Is Dog the opposite of Cat? A: Maybe? If Toby is the Creator, which makes him "God," and Cat is "demonic" this would line up. But the idea that "cat is the opposite of dog" is kind of weird when we consider Mouse and Rabbit are also Elements. If cat is the opposite of dog because dogs hate cats, is Mouse the opposite of Cat too? Is Mouse the opposite of Rabbit? Can I counter Vole-serum with Praying-Mantis DNA? Q: What if Toby just made a mistake and it's not intentional? A: See the thing about that is, elements aren't coded by enemies, they're coded by BULLETS. Which means Toby would have had to intentionally specify the element for each and every bullet one at a time, "on accident" since the default element is 0. Also there's a line of code allowing Toby to display what element the bullet is during Spamton NEO's fight specifically, so it looks to me like he put too much effort in for this to be unintentional. Q: Wait does Deal Maker actually reduce against Spamton Neo? Where's the proof? A: The thing about testing bullet damage is, you should try to have a Control variable and the Experimental variable. So my initial tests used Susie as the control, and then Kris with the Mannequin and Ralsie with the Frayed Bowties. "Defense" does also impact bullet damage so I try to keep the Defense stat of the characters the same when possible. If we give Kris a Mannequin and Deal Maker with Bounce Blade, then give Susie some Royal Pins, their defense is the same, but Kris takes 75% less damage against Spamton's bullets. Which lines up with the math because 40%+35%=75%. Therefore Deal Maker does reduce Element 6 damage. Here's a twitch stream of that: www.twitch.tv/videos/1247642748 Q: Why did you not link your Patreon? A: KZbin won't let me use any of the tools a "monetized" channel has until I'm approved, even if I meet the requirements, which includes linking to other websites. I'm annoyed too, you can find that link here though: www.patreon.com/HalfBredChaos?fan_landing=true

[@Omegashotgun]

I've made the observation that Deltarune respects group theory; as you can use group theory to analyze the plot purpose of the symmetries of deltarune. Things that come in 6's represent a combination of a binary personality trait, and a tertiary personality trait, creating a sort of 2x3 chart of personalities. I believe the elements line up with this. The binary I believe is comedy or tragedy, and the tertiary how the character reacts to being forced into such a scenario- passive, latent, or aggressive. Element 6 is aggression in response to a change that brings tragedy. Here are the names I would suggest if I am to be believed: Comic + Passive: Nature&Nuture Comic + Latent: Growth&Change Comic + Aggressive: Charisma&Creative Tragic + Passive: Isolation/Depression Tragic + Latent: Obsolescence/Dementia Tragic + Aggressive: Restriction/Insanity Each character is assigned comic or tragic based on what the world has done to them. And their reaction gives the Tertiary.

[@Omegashotgun]

This however, perfectly explains Gaster's connection with the number six- he is a character whom has been removed from the world, by his own accord so that he may observe all elements equally. If I am correct, look out for nines. Six and Nine are visually inverses, and nine is one more than the basal story structure of the eight acts of all stories. Nine thus has much symbolic meaning for being outside of a story- excluded by the nature of telling a story in the first place. I feel the obsession with 666 and gaster is a result of the Christian corpse worshippers getting their imagery into places it does not belong.

[@Omegashotgun]

MHM and about your schoedinger's cat conclusion! A leap in logic definitely was made, but schoedinger's cat is a parable in mathematics of the issues with observation. That's why its part of our cultural lexicon. People thought it was a paradox, but only because of the frame of reference they didn't realize they were in. So, the real schoedinger's box was the society we're all trapped in We do indeed, live in a society.

[@Omegashotgun]

OH MAN AND Lewis Carol, writer of Alice in Wonderland, was very much in the circles of mathematics and physics in the 1900's. In fact, the mad hatter scene is a direct parody of the scientists at the time describing quantum field theory for the first time- people loved to make fun of it at that time, because it was so contradictory people assumed it had to be stupid. So the cheshire cat connection is very strong as well. That's a great observation.

[@Omegashotgun]

also spamtons a maxheadroom reference. he's a carbon goddamned copy. and i need people to realize this. i love both, by the way. just, people act like max headroom didn't die so that spamton could live.

[@Nekrotix12]

Start of theory: "Hey Spamton has the same element ID as Tasque, I wonder why that is?" End of theory: "WHO IS THIS. WHY IS THIS HERE. WHY IS IT ON FIRE?!" "HOW ARE CATS RELATED TO GASTER?!?!?"

[@HalfBreadChaos]

If this video series had a title it would be "My Descent Into Deltarune Theorycraft Madness."

[@Nekrotix12]

@@HalfBreadChaos maybe Spamton and Jevil are the same, just Undertale/deltarune theorizers who went crazy trying to figure him out.

[@tartra]

The opposite of Toby the Dog is Gaster the Cat

[@jeremychristianestillore1446]

It seems that a good chunk of the Deltarune fandom is on the verge of being mad with knowledge of it. It seems that Gaster is nothing more like just the concept of unknown personified. Maybe, there are no things man wasn't meant to know, but simply can't make any form of sense over said things.

[@DogsRNice]

Gaster is a cat girl

[@TheTwosdayCoder]

"Stop pinning everything on Gaster!" -Dr. W.D. Gaster, Royal Scientist

[@kingofcrap4414]

Thanks for the message, I had no idea that Gaster did the Bite of 87.

[@randomgaming8007]

the gaster theory simply has more evidence.

[@k.okirbe]

the gaster theory is like last thursdayism, but toby is winning the argument by pretending he doesn't know or believe about last thursdayism causing us to believe in it more, making us insane

[@H.A.Sproductions]

what did Gaster look like before being shattered across space and time

[@duckman9327]

⁠@@H.A.SproductionsI’d like to imagine he looked like the most normal guy you could ever make. Not a human normal guy, but a normal monster guy. Picture the most stereotypical white guy you could, that’s what gaster is in relation to monsters. The most stereotypically bland monster to ever exist until he becomes an eldritch DnD DM

[@TheRealSuperKirby]

Let's not forget temmie who is a cat, can interact with the egg, and says "THEN TEM BECOME, TEM BECOME! Ha. As if you could even invision it."

[@data6022]

temmie is a cat??? I was so sure she was a dog lmao

[@mewhen5430]

Temmies are temmies. They may look a breed of dogs and cats, but they aren’t. *They’re temmies.*

[@BirdThatEatsPrometheussLiver]

@@data6022 She's a hybrid-type thing

[@arttrixmix7178]

@NitroPuppy ye they all have 1 pair of cat ears and 1 pair of dog ears

[@KeaneJ123]

temmie is a hybrid of dog and cat

[@Zerum69]

Well tasque manager does make a jevil joke, meaning she knows who jevil is... Funnily enough, only cats mention/Reference jevil, the shopkeeper is a cat puppet, task manager is a cat program, and spamton has the "cat element" So maybe it's just all down to whatever the heck Jevil is

[@Tyleregor4588]

Jevil is a mentally ill Joker

[@unrelatedK]

jevil, lord of the cats?

[@unvatocualquiera5814]

It's all chaos, perfect randomness that just so happens to also be a cat

[@OakPotatoo]

​@@unvatocualquiera5814the element is clearly chaos/cat here

[@Prism540]

@@unrelatedK jevil is jevil

[@yomilemondragon1721]

Random minor note on elements; when Noelle gets over her fear of mice, the game tells you "Noelle is now immune to mice!" It's probably just a gag but knowing that "mouse" is an element, this makes me think maybe in future chapters, the mouse element will be implemented into attacks, which Noelle will have immunity to. Maybe everyone will have affinities, too? Maybe affinities that can change (possibly by doing stuff that changes your title, and with the story).

[@christinafrazier1364]

Does this mean moss finder and moss eater will actually have a gameplay impact???

[@paws9248]

There gonna be a superboss themed around moss, and the only way to beat it will to become the moss king through increasingly tedious and obscure methods

[@highlandstorm0137]

Or perhaps certain party members have different chances of being prioritised/targeted is lower for certain enemies based on their elements/types?

[@RadTony]

I'm not 100% but I'm pretty sure that when she becomes immune to mice it just gives a new act. Where she compliments the mice by saying that they're kinda cute.

[@nullpoint3346]

@@christinafrazier1364 I hope so.

[@kaygratv]

I think element 6 is Freedom/Chaos and "Cat" is probably a reference to the Cheshire Cat as you pointed out. It would be used by characters that are either in a position of authority/servitude, and characters to whom freedom/bondage are a core theme. The fact that it is called "Cat" could be considered something of a red-herring in the context of it being used for enemies with cat aesthetics.

[@Tom-101]

I think the red herring aspect is very likely true, Toby knows people are obsessed and will look through the files

[@krimsonkatt]

Definitely a Law/Chaos element.

[@blakecook9266]

but... what does tasque have to do with freedom/chaos?

[@fantasyshadows3207]

@@blakecook9266 Order Order drop that devilscythe!

[@The_Argent_Dragon]

Bit of a stretch, but "cat" could be synonymous with internet (one of the most prevalent things on the internet is cat videos and memes) and colloquially, computers. A "string" is also programming terminology, so it could actually be related to programming and the inner workings of a computer -- knowing that tasques are managed by tasque manager, named after task manager. I also noticed that there's cat motif in sounds used in "welcome to the city". (sounds like meows are used) Further on that, if cats are considered antithetical to dogs, the tie to gaster could be there-- toby (the dog) is much more prevalent a character/entity in deltarune, and gaster could be his adversary in some way. But thats my personal thoughts.

[@nullpoint3346]

Good contribution.

[@adhamwashere5320]

I always heard of gaster as somewhat related to Toby, like the dog is the fun, wacky side that shows himself to everyone, while Gaster is the thoughtful, smart, creative side that actually built the game, but that's just my take.

[@joserubalcava1811]

String theory?

[@Danblak08]

I liked the cat part, but man how did it link back to gaster

[@thedistinguished5255]

Cat vs dog is the contrasting element!!! I love that

[@Asocialite__]

This theory is now solved! In the Spamtom Sweepstake, there were a bunch of answers to questions by Spamton on Fangamer, and he stated that Element 6 was [Cat/Puppet]!

[@MigattenoBlakae]

That’s pretty cool, because (like pointed out in the vid around 11:20) puppets can be operated by strings, and cats like strings. I wonder if that connection was actually intentional, or if Toby Fox was just _reeeaaaaaally_ desperate to combine the puppet type with something.

[@MigattenoBlakae]

Wow, I totally guessed with 11:20 and I NAILED it. Lol!

[@Asocialite__]

@@MigattenoBlakae I take it as they're the dimetric opposites (but have reflections of each other). Puppets can do nothing but be controlled. Cats own their owners.

[@ErevanDB]

He's also puppeted by CAT6 cables, so that's a pun I guess.

[@tornadix99]

About gaster, if gaster is cat, it could be a play on the whole Cats VS Dogs, making gaster some kind of anti-toby fox, which seems fitting. Spamton is cat because he is related to scams, and one of those is catfishing.

[@animated_finn]

OH. MY. GOD. CATFISHING WHY DID THAT NOT CROSS MY MIND

[@ZaCloud-Animations___she-her]

And Temmie is the neutral party, being both cat & dog at the same time. :3

[@gato_feliz605]

No quieres ser un pez gordo?

[@ecxoshard]

... Ok... I'm done.

[@unfunny4346]

Wow. Wow. Spamton is a cat.. Gaster is a cat.. What's next?

[@micksengers]

Well! Toby officially said that element 6 is cat and puppet so! Another mystery solved!

[@fleecemanjenkins6648]

The "Holy" element would likely be the element of the Titans/Angel, since the fountains are described as "holy" multiple times throughout the game.

[@afaresfors]

There is also an unused item called the "Sky Mantle" which reduces holy attacks(and elec attacks). maybe the next secret boss is going to be a titan? edit: Seam mentioned Shadow Mantle not Sky Mantle. Maybe the next secret boss is not a titan, but something that is opposite of it? maybe an "Angel". but there are assumptions that "Angel" might be the player, but what if this "Angel" is something that have the same amount of power as the player itself? another edit: I found something interesting...... Ralsei is anagram for Sariel which in christian myth is The Prince of God, so maybe the locked heart room at the middle is where this "God" is? and the next secret boss might be that "God" or another "God"

[@robertwyatt3912]

@Hectorad what if the chapter 3 secret boss is in the light world

[@FunkaYellow]

@@robertwyatt3912 I think we're too early in the game to see titans. Chap 3 world will be inside the Dreemurr home anyway. Boss could be MIKE or a TV show host

[@afaresfors]

@Hectorad the sky mantle reduces holy and elec attack by 50%, so maybe there will be an armor that reduces it by 15% or something like that? maybe we are not much in trouble

[@mushedups]

@@FunkaYellow WHAT ARE YOU? A [Gameshow Host]?

[@midgetthingers6360]

"Why is Tasque on *fire* in this sprite?" oh no, chapter 3, 𝗧𝗢𝗥𝗜𝗘𝗟, 𝗢𝗛 𝗡𝗢.

[@sonatab2646]

NOOOOO

[@jaydentt]

well there werent any rudinns in chapter 2 to my knowledge so

[@digitsings8342]

THANK GOD WE CAN KILL TORIEL IN DELTARUNE

[@bluescissors2074]

@@digitsings8342 😐

[@doplop]

WHY IS TASQUE IN CHALTER 3

[@sammmma_l]

"he doesn't act like a cat" he's a stray cat wdym

[@HalfBreadChaos]

He acts like a stray but not necessarily a stray-cat. : p

[@sans5466]

@@HalfBreadChaos that doesn't make sense yet it also does...

[@GayBrain]

based pfp

[@sammmma_l]

@@GayBrain wdym

[@sammmma_l]

@@HalfBreadChaos true

[@socialistrepublicofvietnam1500]

I have a feeling the Holy element (which is unused in any recruitable enemies) will be assigned to Berdly (and Noelle if we get to fight her at some point) Berdly's weapon is called the Holy Halbird (couldn't find much after that) Noelle is an angel

[@MayAshesFly]

Berdly refers to his halberd in his Second Encounter "Holy Halberd, Grant me strength!!" Which may be a game reference, but you may have a point. The word Angel seems to have a correlation to Noelle but interestingly, none of her Items have the word Holy. The only Noelle Item we have that may be connected to Holy things is the ThornRing which might be a nudge to the Crown of Thorns in the Bible (there's also that one pose of Noelle that similarly looks like crucifixion. Correct me if I'm wrong) HOWEVER when the ThornRing is combined with the PureCrystal it makes the TwistedSword. And in the Snowgrave, Berdly obviously never mentions his "Holy Halberd" duel to being serious in this battle. Just a few things I've noticed. But your Diea might still have some truth!! ^-^

[@crimsonDestroyer]

Huh. Didn't know Tasque and TM's non-string-themed attacks don't deal Element 6 damage. Still, it's a fair connection to make. Cats play with string a lot. Plus, Spamton only uses Element 6 in his NEO form: when he is very obviously portrayed as a limp puppet, and even has marionette strings.

[@HalfBreadChaos]

: P Agreed. There aren't currently enough Elemental Attacks to draw strong conclusions about the rules. So it's 100% plausible that Element 6 is Cat/String.

[@HalfBreadChaos]

Not having an element before NEO due to this is certainly interesting though. It would mean that he wasn't a puppet before, but his [desperate] attempts to become a [big shot] MADE him a puppet.

[@josephb.4640]

@@HalfBreadChaos - I always though he was a puppet. After all, he says "I WON'T HAVE TO BE A PUPPET ANYMORE!" He just upgraded from being a ventriloquist dummy to a marionette, which has more movable parts. This still fits with the theory that element 6 is cat/string, because marionettes have strings, while ventriloquist dummies don't.

[@willno8888]

@@HalfBreadChaos I guess you can say there were no strings attached

[@KingOfDarknessAndEvil]

@@josephb.4640 oh wow i never realized his weird mouth is based on a ventriloquist dummy

[@ybotter9557]

If holy is an element we’re definetly getting a chapter in the church LETS FIGHT JESUS

[@AshenDust_]

Dark World Jesus as a party member please

[@ybotter9557]

​@@AshenDust_ Judas cast tattle...It was super effective! *Jesus f*cking died*

[@AshenDust_]

@@ybotter9557 God cast Healing Prayer

[@jun9796]

Dogma fig hgt

[@sneed2600]

Jebussy

[@williamr5618]

This may be one thing you missed, but if this ages nicely, it makes perfect sense. Toby Fox, is portrayed as the Annoying Dog. He programs Undertale and Deltarune, and can be seen creating chaos in Chapter 2. The way I see is Gaster and everything surrounding him is as though he's a glitch that shouldn't be in Undertale, a weird case. From your theories so far, if Gaster is the element Cat, and Spamton being the embodiment of glitches is element Cat, wouldn't that make sense as glitches and unwanted stuff goes against the programmer, Toby, the Dog?

[@schalomforever]

I just realized that it's odd that there's a cat in the light world. There are monsters who resemble animals but they are selfaware. The annoying dog and the cat that Alphys feeds seem to not speak and act more like real animals. Maybe the cat possesses the same kind of power as the annoying dog or as you said is the antagonist. Cat = knight confirmed? XD

[@ErevanDB]

​@@schalomforeverthe "cat" is most likely susie, though

[@LilyTheSmol]

I love how, even though the video is in TTS, you can clearly feel this dude slowly losing it as it goes on.

[@acebreaux1167]

i genuinely wish every theory video was in tts like this

[@chrissysonicutdrloz]

@@acebreaux1167 seriously, it's just, like, PERFECT for toby fox games

[@gamingcookiereal]

imagine your face seeing that one answer on the spamton qna

[@i010001]

So this will almost certainly get buried, but I was thinking on this a while. I think we need to ask, instead of 'What does Spamton have to do with cats,' 'What's up with Tasque Manager?' There are a number of strange things with Tasque Manager, in particular... - She knows about Jevil. The only other person to even mention Jevil is Shawm; notably another cat who was once the court magician and thus probably someone who occupied a very similar role to Tasque Manager - Beyond that, she seems to be a deliberate counterpart to him: She will say 'Order, Order' a lot. She is something of a personification of order, to his chaos. They are both optional bosses in their respective ruler's castles (Jevil being missable, while Tasque manager being skippable if you complete her quiz.) Etc, etc. This seems unusual if Tasque Manager is just a random enemy - She is, notably, the only enemy besides Jevil to have a voice - She manipulates the battle box's shape in the Order and Order-X ACTs. This trait is shared only with Jevil, Spamton, and the King and Queen. Jevil notably manipulated the box shape in Final Chaos. - You can hack Jevil as a recruit; he is un-place-able like Tasque Manager and is these are the only recruits like this - And, of course, she and Spamton share Element 6 - I also want to point out that you can actually enrage Tasque Manager and make her become in-sparable if you defeat one of her cats with violence. This doesn't have anything to do with my theory, though Most of these are related to Jevil, not Spamton, but this is still rather suspicious. Furthermore, lets consider the stuff dummied out in the code: There's a flaming cat, there's the description of the PureCrystal, etc. Individually, these might be... particularities? But taken together, there is a very real possibility that Tasque Manager might be way more than she lets on. Lets hold that in our mind, for now... 6; especially repeating 6's, is a number that corresponds with the Devil, hence why it is associated with Gaster. Obviously, this is from 666. But lets consider the possibility that this means something and was chosen deliberately - Else it should be the number immediately after all the other current elements. The fact that is is not means that is was intentionally chosen. Thus, we might consider Element 6 to be something like 'Death' or 'Doom,' and correspond to super-bosses. If we keep this all in mind... It is very possible that there will be some way to fight Tasque Manager as a super-boss. This would be why she knows of Jevil and has parallels him and Shawm; this would be why her element is 6; this is why she is voiced, why she manipulates the battle box, and why she may or may not be tied to the Pure Crystal. And, this too, may be why there is a Tasque on fire in the game files. And as for why there are Tasques that share the element? Any fight with her will almost certainly have the Tasques with her, and the yarn and 'tasque yell' are the type of thing that could scale impressively. It's possible you would have to do a number of obtuse actions to fight her: For example, you need the Thorn Ring and the Pure Crystal. The Thorn Ring can only be kept, currently, by building towards a Snowgrave Run and then aborting it at the last moment. Which would be an incredibly chaotic act, right? But, by now I am using wild theory to justify other wild theories... To summarize: Element 6 would make a huge amount of sense if Tasque Manager ends up being a Super Boss like Spamton was. At least, I feel this would make much more sense than the next super boss being 'Mike'

[@nekomataumbreon]

.You have a point. As an active lore hunter, I shall look into this.

[@nullpoint3346]

The element of coded chaos...

[@nullpoint3346]

*Turmoil and disorder, chaos the transformer.* The cats, the Jevil... *Code and conformity, Order the informer.* The code (the strings), the Rules Card... There's so much, I can't put it all into text!

[@OriginalGameteer]

Mike is more likely the main villain than the next superboss, as Jevil alludes to the Queen in chp 1

[@LiMe251]

@@OriginalGameteer yes, and the chapter 3 secret boss can probably make you use a purple soul

[@ShadowoftheMask]

I do find it baffling that Puppet/Cat element seems to be both confirmed and actually deduced by community in advance :'D

[@miguelvieira3687]

You know, in programming, a bunch of characters/letters/words/phrases/whatever text data, is called string as well, and Toby does certainly knows this, since he programmed those games

[@HalfBreadChaos]

Yeah, I was trying to allude to this in 11:10 but I my robot-voice decided to pronounce my airquotes like he was angry at them lol.

[@anonymone453]

One of the data structures GameMaker uses is strings, so he does

[@tristarnova3454]

it’s revealed element 6 is cat/puppet thanks to the spamton sweepstake, and that there is more, alongside holy/elec, there is dark/star and death/scythe are two combos, it appears all elements will be two combos.

[@BmuXD]

Spamton confirmed Cat element yang's is "Puppet"

[@Jack-lz9tt]

Hold on, if whenever Spamton talks and leaves out words its replaced with spaces, what if... The original starwalker Actually is just missing more words, instead of being a joke name? Or am I just noticing the obvious lol

[@conquestanddeath4406]

Holy fuck you’re onto something

[@alyx1a]

think it's just for comedy/emphasis but you could be onto something possible

[@alyx1a]

possibly*

[@lazice]

I’m pretty sure they’re the only two characters in the entire thing, that uses extra spaces in their words. Which does make it very odd

[@mushedups]

The original [HOLY #### IT IS ACTUALLY HIM] starwalker

[@cryptologicalMystic]

Just so you know, Seam is never actually referred to ingame using *any* pronouns at all, and in fact there's some dialogue in Chapter 1's post-King fight epilogue by the Royal Coat Rack that implies this is a deliberate choice. (Toby referred to Seam as "they" in the 6th anniversary stream, though.)

[@HalfBreadChaos]

I done goofed. ):

[@stitchesplush]

17:00 a Tasque on fire? Looks like Toriel might have a fire spell next chapter after all... Also about Tasque Manager being related to Gaster, she does seem to know Jevil (both him and Spamton seem to be connected to him)

[@MarcDoesNotKnow]

I also feel like Toriel will automatically use her fire magic if Kris gets hit or something to defend them.

[@deltasexual8251]

"MEOW MEOW MEOW MEOW" "Oh dear" *you asked toriel why she burnt that tasque. "I didn't mean to burn it!"

[@noone3708]

Kris does have a computer in his house after all

[@eddie-roo]

Tasque manager’s element is cat:order, while jevil’s is chaos:chaos. Chaos and order are opposing concepts, so that’s probably why Tasque manager is uncomfortable with the devil’s knife.

[@LiMe251]

@@noone3708 yeah but it's in his room, that dark fountain (if it stays in the house and fully works) should only take up the living room, the kitchen, and the upstairs hallway

[@SergiTim]

At some point in the video you mention that the words Spamton shoots at you can hardly be considered 'strings'. Well, I just wanted to let you know that in programming, the type of data that registers words and sentences (as opposed to numbers and integers) are precisely called 'strings'. So the words spamton shoots do fit inside the 'string' motiff rather nicely.

[@HalfBreadChaos]

Ah, I was trying to say "These are 'strings' so shouldn't they do Element 6 Damage if Element 6 is Strings?" But the TTS read it in a really sarcastic tone for some reason lol. The curse of TTS, sometimes I roll a 20 and it snarks on purpose, sometimes I roll a 1 and this happens.

[@crano8202]

My first thought upon seeing that tasque on fire is it could be related to fireshock, a spell noelle mentions when talking with rudy at the hospital. Iceshock is the spell that freezes enemies so a tasque being on fire immediately makes me think maybe fireshock was also going to be a possible spell a character could use.

[@coolbb4856]

that might be toriels attack

[@inkorporeal204]

@@coolbb4856 Iirc, Toby once said ""I was going to give a certain character a fire spell, but decided against it for the first chapter" (I don't have the source sadly). And as others have pointed out, Ralsei has fire around him in his legend portrait. So it might not be Toriel but Ralsei the one who can use fire at some point in the game Update: Someone has digged through the files of Chapter 1 (The one before chapter 2 was released) and found a hidden spell for Ralsei that works just like IceShock, except that it makes enemies turn red and dissappear. Maybe Chapter 1 was planned to have a weird route were Ralsei burns all of the enemies

[@coolbb4856]

@@inkorporeal204 makes sense since asriel also has fire magic and ralsei is basically the dark world version of him

[@chrissysonicutdrloz]

@@inkorporeal204 i like your theory, but i want to nit-pick on one point: i don't think the "prince of the dark world" is ralsei- the feet are wrong, and ralsei only wore the hood as a disguise i have no proof one way or another, and no idea who the dark prince is, it just doesn't add up to me- also, the dark world prince looks exactly like River Person to me, and River Person sure wasn't Ralsei, and probably not a member of the Dreemurr family

[@edenengland1883]

"im going to have to call it quits while i still have some of my sanity left" wait.. wait..... n o sanity, or rather, insanity a cat hyperfocused on order to an obsessive degree willing to whip people into shape a chaotic puppet trying his best to be a big shot, and willing to betray those who help him the moment he gets an idea could the other side of Cat's duality be Insanity? coincidentally that seems to perfectly fit with the gaster idea

[@chrissysonicutdrloz]

Gaster is a genius. And as many people have observed throughout history, there's a fine line between genius and insanity.

[@Violet111]

i think the Uncertainty option might be most likely. like you said, it would be a reference to schrodinger's cat, and would fit spamton neo/gaster's nature. that number 6 really is something we can't ignore here. (and, how fitting it would be if the element of Uncertainty never got named or pointed out in-game?) the only other idea i have for what it represents is _maybe_ Control? tasque manager obviously controls her tasques, and spamton NEO is the form in which he gains some control/freedom. plus in this case it would make sense that normal spamton doesn't use element 6, because he doesn't have control yet. though, this idea still doesn't explain the frayed bowtie and mannequin, not to mention it would be pretty redundant with the element Order. the "demonic number" idea you brought up is really interesting. the idea of it being the Demonic element is probably off the table - because tasque/TM have it, and jevil doesn't - but especially with the number 6, i think it's still worth considering that the "demonic" idea could be related in some way. it'd also have some _very, very_ interesting implications about what Heaven could be, though i don't have any solid theories there. of course, i think it's also possible that toby didn't even intend these characters to have the same element in the first place. maybe element 6 was supposed to be spamton's element (with his attacks, the frayed bowtie, mannequin, and dealmaker) and then tasque/TM ended up with the element by mistake. if it _was_ meant to be just spamton's element, then that opens up the possibility of it being something like Puppet, or Demonic, or Spam, or "Gaster"... but i mean we can't really count on that possibility in the first place. so yeah i'd agree that we just don't have enough info right now. it's still fun to speculate though :) (by the way can i just say i love your videos? like they're just text to speech but you put so much emotion in them somehow ghjkdf. and it's a lot of fun to hear all these theories and facts!)

[@HalfBreadChaos]

Realizing I can't express my thoughts through tone means when I want to get an emotion across I have to do so through word choice and editing. XD Downside, if I rush or am feeling unwell it seeps in there lol. (example the 10:57 transition-glitch happened because I was recovering from anaphylaxis while I was finishing up). It's hard for me to imagine Toby applied this code to Tasq AND Tasq Manager by mistake, just one I could see, but both? Hmm.. I didn't think of the connections between "hell" and "cats" though. Since "all dogs go to heaven" and all that. XD I like your Uncertainty Theory. It fits, but also that's a terrifying possibility because if it is Uncertainty I'm going to be theorizing about it literally forever. XD

[@ZaCloud-Animations___she-her]

@@HalfBreadChaos Hmm, maybe both Tasques & Tasque Manager share the element because of some programming limitation where you can only have one element per attack round, & when they're together they all send out attacks? So maybe it would crash unless all entities used the same element? But rewriting the implementation to properly parse mixed element enemies, was too much work and time-consuming, thus it was easier to just give the cats matching elements? That could also be why the other elements are unassigned, because many of the enemies will fight in mixed groups throughout the game. Thus, the system conundrum I'm guessing may exist, would just crash all the time, and making everyone the same element would be pointless. So, he opted to just not use the element system for the time being. So, maybe the Tasques & Manager were kind of a test for the system, which showed its shortcomings. They were just left in their last tested state for convenience. And Spamton having that element is simply because the test cats showed that the system COULD work, so you could use special defense against him. But the system needs an overhaul so it can someday work as intended, when types are mixed in battle. (Totally just guessing here, I'm not a programmer, but it feels like the kind of exasperated way I've ended up having to deal with what little programming I HAVE done, when I'd make a complex script only to realize I'd have to totally rewrite it for it to properly deal with extra variables, heh...)

[@krimsonkatt]

Element 6 is likely both a Law and Chaos element, just like Element 1 is both Light and Thunder.

[@Tisisrealnow]

I cant believe how cats can be the missing link to fix the mystery of gaster

[@calyps0rion]

The Homestuck part punched my balls into oblivion, good vid tho

[@ivythay4259]

Turns out element 6 is Cat/Puppet!

[@monty5405]

the "staff" that you talk about at 3:43 is actually an Arm Cannon, a la Samus or Megaman, this can be seen when he uses the "50 Bullets for Free" move, firing lazer shots out of it, and during cutscenes, where he raises it to hold Kris at gunpoint.

[@dompan9169]

Search up a picture of mettaton neo

[@themiddleman5763]

Mad Dummy's motif also plays at 1:47 of BIG SHOT. It's also an interesting observation that the body is eerily similar to Mettaton NEO, who is a lightner and ghost species character like Mew Mew/Mad Dummy. I think it's reasonable to think that Spamton NEO uses Mettaton NEO's body, as somewhat hinted as the change in head shape when in the pacifist route fight.

[@doofs]

hah! coming back this video was a near perfect prediction. I say near perfect, but it's basically perfect. Holy crap nice job! not as mindblowing, but you reminded me that the tasques only appear in Queen's mansion, and Queen took a very strong liking to Noelle only acting out of what she felt was Noelle's best interest. I feel like this recontextualises the Queen as an extension of Noelle, Noelle taking care of her pet cats. It helps that Noelle's blog posts clarify that Tasque Manager's disembodied arms also fit the style of catpetterz animation too, so to me at least, the connection is too massive to ignore. anyway amazing video, glad i rewatched it with the new info!

[@DE23]

One thing I've seen literally no one ask about is how Darkners know about Darkners in other Dark Worlds, like how Seam knows about Spamton, or how Jevil knew about Queen, or how King and Queen were implied to have been in a relationship.

[@aarter2913]

Or how task Manager recognizes when you have an item from jevil equipped. Really calling into question how many darkners actually have to worry about turning to stone

[@josephb.4640]

The lore seems to imply that the Darkners actually have sentience even when the Dark Worlds themselves do not exist. Even in Chapter 1, they talk about past events that happened before the Dark Worlds were even opened. We can also see that separate Dark Worlds can connect to each other in Chapter 1, as Kris and Ralsei travel from the school closet's world to the old classroom's world without ever going to the Light World. The reason why Ralsei can survive in other Dark Worlds is because he's from the original Dark World in the school closet, which is formed out of the fountain of pure darkness. This is also why all the Darkners from all the other Dark Worlds can survive and be revived in the school closet, because it's made of the most pure darkness.

[@sky_pc9]

maybe element 6 could even be an "amalgamation" of all of the elements? there seems to be ties to spamton and ice in snowgrave, and there are all different elements noted in unused cat sprites. all of that kinda works in my mind but yeah

[@chrissysonicutdrloz]

Heh, "amalgamation"... Memoryheads, anyone???

[@markleeandhiswatermelons3308]

how do you guys feel knowing this was narrowly close to canon

[@NRobbi42]

11:45 I mean...

[@Nova-uq9nw]

If element 6, cat, is related to Gaster, and Gaster's association with 666 makes him the Devil, then that means there must be a God... _Toby!_ He's a dog, and dogs and cats are natural enemies. Toby is God. Toby has been interfering quite a lot more than usual in Chapter 2, including in the reverse egg room. _Deltarune's gonna end in a war between Gaster and Toby!!!_ -This is all a joke, I hope.-

[@HalfBreadChaos]

XD God with Toby who even knows?

[@zefile]

gaster is a catboy.

[@lucidhighway4403]

Gaster's still salty he got scrapped lmao imagine all this time "Gaster" was actually just Grandpa Semi who was doing all this shit just because he wanted to get back at Toby for scrapping him

[@josephb.4640]

Well, god is dog spelled backwards, and the Annoying Dog's actions seem very characteristic of a god of mischief. Meanwhile, Gaster seems extremely serious and calculating. Perhaps this is the chaos vs. order dichotomy that's being set up here.

[@chrissysonicutdrloz]

The scary thing is... I've thought of this before, too. Even before this video (just not the cat vs. dog part). I was just thinking earlier today, what if the final boss is actually Annoying Dog? It's not impossible, at this point.

[@Lunarcreeper]

6:05 actually pipis is a type of freshwater clam. it isn't a coincidence either because it literally says this if you use check on a pipis

[@ewasikora6206]

Bepis

[@inktouhou]

Deltarune chapter 1 theory: Who is "The Knight", is gaster related to deltarune, is deltarune related to Undertale Deltarune chapter 2 theory: IS SPAMTON A CAT

[@fomod_]

inb4 we find a man eerily similar in appearance to gaster who's basically a crazy cat lady but male instead and they've got cats everywhere around them

[@takehood948]

[WARNING - Huge spoiler of ch 3, 4, and 5 due to the recent leaks... YOU'VE BEEN WARNED] It has been revealed that there are going to be 2 "enemies?" that have forecast-themed designs and I can't stop thinking about the concept of Electric/Holy element being confirmed by these two characters. To sum it up, if these two characters happen to represent the bishop pieces of chess (Chess theory) then it would also make sense that they also have electric skills because they are made of clouds. Clouds (or the sky) can generate lightning bolts, so the link between element 1 and these characters is possible. In addition, this also reminded me the words of Seam about the Sky Mantle and how we need this item to defeat the next boss. Unless these two characters were the main boss of ch 3, I believe that having protection against Electric and Holy confirms at least one of their elements. That's all what I wanted to say. I do really like this video (It's my favourite) because it explores topics often ignored by other theorist. Also, the ghaster jokes are funny. Finally, I think Toby did a 143000 IQ move by realising these clues right now, which will keep the hype for a lot of time until the realease of ch 3-5. (Next year I hope) Having said all of that, thank you for reading this piece of crazy theory.

[@HozukiHangetsu]

I'm at 3:26, but just thought of something. If this gets touched on later in the vid, I'll edit. You know how one of Spamton's leitmotifs is Dummy Fight? And how Mad Dummy later went on to become Mad Mew-Mew? (Probably partly because of Alphys's obsession with Mew Mew Kissy Cutie) Maybe the "element cat" is another suggestion that either Alphys or Happstablook was the person who designed the image of the NEO body in the computer lab, or MAYBE Spamton is not Dark World Happstablook, but Dark World Mad Dummy/Mad Mew-Mew who has co-opted the body intended for Happstablook? On the one hand, maybe Alphys's obsession with cats carries over into her design inspiration for everything in some small degree--leading her creations to have the "cat" element. On the other, maybe this is supposed to signpost that Spamton is, like, the essence of Mad Dummy prior to it leaving the Dummy body? Huh. EDIT: Not even a couple of seconds later, lmao.

[@fifo5553]

Now this is a pretty insane theory, but hear me out. The running theory is that Gadter influenced both Jevil and Spamton (for Jevil, the man he happened to meet that drove him insane, for Spamton, the guy on the other end of the garbage noise call). 6 is gaster's number and it is the number of the dmg type. When you have jevil items equipped in the Tasque Manager fight, she comments on it. Tasques are her subordinates. Thus, it might just barely support that dmg type 6 is in fact gaster somehow. Schizo thread over, just a funny thought I had. Edit: Just got a little further in the video, I bet the tasques on fire are preparation for a toriel snowgrave route in chapter 3. You heard it here first.

[@mynameismud8596]

cats do be very weird mysterious and whacky, hell, sometimes associated with "evil" too, i can see why both cats and spamton + gaster share the same element

[@chrissysonicutdrloz]

as a cat person, i take offense to this i'm not saying you're wrong, i just don't like it 🤣🤣🤣

[@paz1830]

Homestuck fan here. The association of Nepeta with the number 33 is because she have a lusus who is a cat/lioness with 2 mouths (fitting, because she have the zodiac symbol of Leo) so she uses an emoji who represents a cat face :33 ...and 33, is the number of arsenic in the elements table, who is the name who she uses in her chumhandle/chat. In old times, a kind of green paint was made with arcenic, the same color of Nepeta bloodtype (olive green)

[@RespawnJupiter]

Another homestuck fan :O

[@craftymuffin3066]

Im just coming back in 2023, post spamton sweepstakes to give you your props for CALLING IT WITH THE ELEMENTAL PAIRS

[@Shroopy]

I really appreciate you being so candid and making sure the community gets along!

[@riantwoninety]

i had no idea elements even existed until like. 2 minutes ago

[@zestiestzest]

the secrets on the deltarune site basically confirms this idea of Spamton being kind of a cat, haha

[@deletedTestimony]

Worth mentioning since I scrolled for a while and didn't see this: As of October 2022, Spamton is implied to be mutated spam email data imported into a game called Cat Petterz 2. So he really was part cat.

[@anaiaram]

what i truly love about UT/DR is you can just enjoying the games and the story and appreciate some easter eggs... but you can also start digging deeper and find all kind of weird connections that expand your understanding of the universe in ways you can't fully wrap up but it feels so much bigger and alive!

[@Soosss]

This is literally the first theory where I would find it hard to believe toby planned this much ahead, but at the same time its believable? Great work halfbredchaos!

[@a.fernando4319]

If the homestuck reference is real,also would explain the heart attack of his neo form,the color of the string over him and a cruel joke against nepeta fans (how her character arc was leave in the trash)

[@RespawnJupiter]

Hurts man. Nepeta deserved better than that 💔

[@xXFeralPyr0pteraXx]

I heard on another video that Spamton's relation to the cat element could be a pun relating to "cat6 cables" and because they come in green, might be the ones holding up Sneo

[@jacquespaught]

Assuming the Spamton Q&A is canon, it looks like we have our answer. Every element is actually TWO types, and Element 6 is "Puppet/Cat"!

[@kaasiand]

another connection between Tasque Manager and Spamton that i can think of is their dislike of Jevil Tasque Manager SOMEHOW seems to know him, as she comments "Chaos, chaos? No, no. Order, order!" when the party has any of the Jevil stuff equipped, so I believe she may have some greater importance that we simply don't know much about just yet (or at the very least she just KNOWS something we don't)

[@Snukkuri]

I realized "Dark Yet Darker" can be said in another way as when ta Dark Fountain gets opened, since the smoke covers the room like some sort of darkness.

[@antivirusfrisk]

note: its a theory (not well known but accepted by most) that it is actually deltarune mettaton who designed the neo body on a computer, then trashed it.

[@Clowdering]

Spamton can’t be a cat because at the end of pacifist neo fight, he doesn’t land on his feet like a cat.

[@harrisonfackrell]

I really like the "string" theory. Tasque Manager's whole _thing_ is controlling people. Tasque and Jevil, meanwhile, struggle with being controlled. It makes sense to me that Element 6 could be semantically representative of this tension, and symbolically associated with strings of control. It pulls the strings and makes them ring.

[@emeraldnickel]

Nice predictions! The dual element thing was spot on!!!

[@dubstepdoughnut]

Where does this get confirmed, if you don't mind me asking? I'm too lazy to search for this lol

[@emeraldnickel]

@@dubstepdoughnut can’t remember exactly, I’m fairly certain it was one of the Spamton Q&As from the sweepstakes

[@emeraldnickel]

@@dubstepdoughnut can’t remember exactly, I’m fairly certain it was one of the Spamton Q&As from the sweepstakes

[@ItterKeb]

Remember that everybody who had an interaction with Gaster, has one if not both, eyes yellow example: Sans' eye turns yellow instead of blue, Jevil's eyes are yellow, Spamton has pink and yellow glasses and Tasque Manager, welp.

[@mynameisyourname]

noelle’s pet…

[@CaptainObliviousV]

Holy [Cungadero]! Spamton’s [Victoria’s Secret] was just revealed! Turns out his [Hochi Mama] is implied to be Noelle, who accidentally [every copy of Super Mario 64 is personalized] him via a glitch from a bunch of mods in a pet simulator.

[@twocalicocats5511]

Unfortunately, noelle has been confirmed to not be spamton’s mama. However, he is grateful to her for replying to his spam emails

[@CaptainObliviousV]

@@twocalicocats5511 yeah I saw that a few minutes ago. Still cool that they have some sort of connection

[@luigiman0640]

I think we need more chapters to clarify anything here, tbh

[@steepslopesmm2]

plot twist: toby was testing something and left it in the demo accidentally so cat and spamton being the same means absolutely nothing

[@marsgreekgod]

so this is 100% right. who knew

[@jamesapplesword7846]

Idk if he mentioned it in the video but like yk, spamton NEO is literally powered by strings and its a major theme for him

[@aphroditesalchemist]

Strings. Spamton is a puppet. A literal puppet, held up and controlled by strings.

[@waluigiisthebest2802]

The tasque on fire is likely a reference to a program (or TASK) on a computer using a lot of RAM and making your computer heat up.

[@JonathanMeyer-o4m]

i love how this went from a dilligent and composed analasys and just devolved into gaster, sans and spamton ravings

[@BingusDev123]

I just noticed that in element 6 (Cat) I believe it uses string meaning that just because he is held by strings it counts as Cat Type.

[@Envy_May]

this video was a wild h*cking ride

[@Envy_May]

-why does a part of me actually want to just like.voice act with the scrip of this video-

[@azoreaneve4777]

Given how element types still aren't fully implemented, I wouldn't be surprised if this was a case of it being the first element type to work in the build and so they assigned it to Spamton NEO because they wanted him to have element stuff going on.

[@Brick_Eater_]

The robot being a Lightner's dream is just Alphys making bad fanart of Mad Mew Mew and using the fill tool

[@silvanusbillyts]

Scariest thing about the computer closet, it said "It so large that could fit a body inside", and that's the answer for the one asked and wonder where is "Berdly" goes in snowgrave route after Kris cleaned up all the "stuff" in the room

[@LiMe251]

Ok but it also says that in pacifist so it more likely refers to the knight

[@gabrieldabriel]

idea: toby just thought it would be cool if an item spamton sells also defends against him (frayed bowtie/bshot bowtie) and if it was already set to defend against cats, he just made spamton neo cat

[@EmmaMtH]

there is in fact a mention of a design idea with wings sketched out on a computer that never ended up coming to light in deltarune, on asriel's computer. not in the librarby though. i love the String Theory though.

[@polishscribe674]

Imagine if for some weir reasons the amount of elements was limited to 11 (0-0), and Toby just tried to get around it this way.

[@Envy_May]

wait does anyone know what happens if you try to put the loadeddisk into the mannequin _in castle town_

[@DJ4461]

Pipis is actually a kind if invasive clam species, like in the check menu, and they can also be called eggs, as in megaman 2, a bird enemy called "pipi" would drop an egg which would hatch into many baby birds, like how spamton drops pipis which hatch into many small spamtons.

[@HalfBreadChaos]

I think pipi as a Megaman 2 reference is the most likely, but wasn't aware of that before I made this. Oops. The pipi in the games files actually used to be yellow, closer matching the megaman sprites. I'm guessing they changed it to blue because your Heart and Bullets for the fight are also yellow, so it'd be visually confusing to players.

[@testaccount4830]

Have you ever considered this: Toby is just messing with us.

[@chrissysonicutdrloz]

that is ALWAYS a very, very definite possibility

[@jeremiahjamesorlando]

I think him having the cat element comes from his particularly glitchy nature. He's so infested with malware and viruses or something that his code in-game is glitching, too. This is also pretty meta with the whole self-awareness thing that made him go insane.

[@gato_feliz605]

The “words” that Gaster used to make Jevil and Spamton go insane are just his lore. You are in danger. No matter how very very interesting this hole may seem, you need to leave, for it will only become darker, yet darker.

[@musicman6555]

Haven't seen anyone mention Catty+Catti's dad's use of the phrase "big shot" in chapter 1. "Embodiment of a Lightner's dream"

[@HalfBreadChaos]

: P 1:09

[@ChestersonJack]

A lot of people don’t notice it because lots of folks only speak to him once, never even unlocking his second dialogue line. Glad other people notice it too! I wonder if dialogue at the end of chapter two will be echoed by the next boss…

[@hesiod_delta9209]

I don't know if you are reading this but I shall say it anyways. I belive that Element 6 refers to different forms of authority. The socioeconomic authority associated with being a big shot(fat cat(thanks @Gakokal)) The academic authority associated with being a doctor of quantum physics (Shrodinger's cat) The cultural authority associated with a prominance in internet memes (lolcats) The authority of someone who is protected by anonymity and captivates through mystery (Chechire Cat) The authority associated with religious significance(the deification of cats, most prominantly in ancient Egyptian cultures) Another word you could use to describe the tasks performed by a computer is a command, such as comands set in linds of code to initiate certain processes. This concept of programmer authority could also explain the electricity connection, especially in the context of Cyber City. The authority associated with Spamton's Neo power could be the result of expoiting glitches, especially because Swatch states that the basement is used for the storage of corrupted data. AS for way the power of NEO associated with extremely high defense, is unclear. So, why do the feline characters have an associating with this notion of authority, while the actual leaders such as Queen don't? When a ruler awnsers to the commands of a foreign body, their land is often refered to as a "puppet state", in much the same way that Spamton was pupeteered by an unknown force using mysterious strings. What if the dark worlds that we have seen are being secretly controled by the Tasque managers or something associated with them? Do cats secretly rule the world? So then, what authority do the goners and Gaster have? Do WE have any authority in this context? Or do our choices truelt not matter?

[@Doo-Woo]

In parts of spamton neos fight you can hear 3 diffrent songs 1. The world revolving 2. Mettaton neo theme 3. Dummy theme

[@MayAshesFly]

As a form of help (without sacrificing myself into the rabbit hole) Here's the Wingdings version of CAT: 👍︎✌︎❄︎ Cat: 👍︎♋︎⧫︎ and cat: ♍︎♋︎⧫︎ The thing that interests me the most is that you can read the capitalized one as One, Two, and well... Snowflake. Which may mean 3 Snowflakes??? Or maybe it's a nudge on how in the Snowgrave{Snowflake} route we the Player{1} controls both Kris and Noelle{2}, or possibly how Noelle{1} kills Two prominent characters (Berdly and possibly Spamton) in chapter 2 using Snowgrave{Snowflake}

[@IamNCortex]

here's my idea: cats are the titans there are proofs that the titans are related to gaster and gaster somehow changed Spamton the dog (toby fox) is the one who made the game Deltarune so it would make sence if a cat wanted to destroy it. so here you go, Spamton got corrupted by the cat power.

[@yolk644]

17:00 this cat in the files could be referencing deltarune chapter 3, because in Undertale toriel has fire magic. as we all know, kris opened up a dark fountain at the end of chapter 2, and toriel was there too. another thing about toriel's fire magic. like noelle had the snowgrave route, toriel could have some secret route relating to that as well. if these files are in the steam build, maybe those images of the burning cats could be part of the development, as if toby were adding them beforehand as a start of chapter 3's development. despite what i just said, toby probably just tossed it in there to either tease a possible new route, possibly trick us (common toby fox thing), or what i said beforehand.

[@justjeaX3]

These are probably the most complicated theorys but at the same time it makes so much sense

[@kevinm5940]

13:17 I think that's because 666 is the 'number of the Beast' from the Bible, generally associated with the Devil in pop culture. The origin of the secret bosses definitely seems to match the whole 'deal with the devil' trope.

[@HalfBreadChaos]

Oh, I get there eventually (17:20)

[@kevinm5940]

@@HalfBreadChaos yeah, I made the comment before I got to that point. It's nice to see someone mention it, instead of just going "the number 666 appears a few times in the game, but I see no possible relevance to that number!".

[@cassidymiskowiec5661]

cats have a relationship to strings, in that catguts were used to create many kinds of tight cords or strings, including that of violins, tennis rackets, and just regular high impact cord

[@HalfBreadChaos]

Wait really? *checks* Ah! Okay so, "yes but no." Lol "cat gut" was, but "cat gut" wasn't... literally cat guts? I don't know why English is like this but "cat gut" referred to the "walls" of any intestines, not specific to cat. Still very cool find though! Thanks!

[@jargalo0098]

Well... redux of this when?

[@HalfBreadChaos]

Dang now I gotta make an Elements Part 3 don't I?

[@jargalo0098]

@@HalfBreadChaos heck yes

[@mjdxp5688]

Something big you might have forgotten which is a huge part of Spamton NEO is the puppet strings which keep him in midair. In BIG SHOT, some people believe the lyric "pulls the strings and makes them ring" can be heard. When you snap all of the strings, he just falls to the ground, completely immobilized. Therefore, I think it's definitely possible that element 6 could indeed be related to string.