What is Gnosticism? - Bart Erhman

[@AlexOConnorClips]

Watch the full episode on the gnostic Gospel of Judas: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mmSkqKmur76ooJIsi=w_jxSyoIxCO3SK-j

[@yw8931]

Love Bart always so knowledgeable

[@user-fb6te9mu2u]

Very interesting! Thank you for sharing, I always enjoy Bart Ehrman. I was an atheist my entire life until I had a spontaneous mystical experience that set me doing some research and meditating, and I have been stunned to find that the gnostic Christian attitudes from the early second and third centuries resonates very strongly with my personal spiritual growth. So much of my own personal journaling and experiences match what these gnostic writers shared; I've been reading these early gnostic texts, and I keep having to go back to my own journals from three and four years ago to find very similar sentiments, sometimes expressed in the same language. It is eerie but also comforting. The orthodox Christianity enshrined in the church is false, but there's something to that gnostic path, something that gives me hope where the church steals it.

[@nicholsonlawrance5821]

Wow trying to pack so much information inside 20 minutes. I would love you do discuss 'The Gospel of Truth'.

[@360.Tapestry]

after many, many walks with god in the spirit, i can say i have a small fragment of gnosis - but from this advantaged perspective, if i had to choose between gnosis and salvation, i would take salvation any day - of course, i could never go back and unknow it (former agnostic-atheist who has said and pointed to all the typical stuff you'll see in these comments - usually, full of the same arrogance and self-assurance, too - but really having no real experience or foundation, just reciting what someone else has reported who was probably just reciting what someone else reported)

[@Sun_Dayzzz]

I mean...have you ever surrounded yourself with other religions like Hinduism? Our worldview (me included) have been trapped in the existence/non-existence of a judeo-christian god, without bothering to look deeply into others. Hinduism has older texts than the old testament, much more anything from gnosticism. Who are you to say your "gnosis" is not from another form of God in a different name?

[@Wingedmagician]

I loved this thanks

[@conradmcbride]

Where is this filmed? Looks wonderful!

[@Wontoofree-k4n]

Sorry I might be wrong but I think it's a green screen with a fancy background added later. Yep - nothing is real and everyone is a liar

[@EPYCpeacemakers]

“Ok, a video about Gnosticism what picture to put with it?” *literal Orthodox ikon*

[@jasmorris1286]

It has taken me so long to my head around this 😂.

[@rewanminsif5706]

I see you're getting more interested in gnosticism now which is fantastic, i suggest you should look into the only current surviving gnostic religion since antiquity, Mandaeaism. It is not Christian, it is a completely different religion. Very interesting.

[@haydenwalton2766]

is it an arrangement between alex and bart to NOT talk about mythicism ? because they seem to be often tiptoeing around the subject.

[@TheLeonhamm]

Gnosticism was, if I recall correctly, coined to envisage a system of in-crowd thought or action, as opposed to gnosis cognitive awareness, and gnostics, the systematically learned (of the first few centuries of the Christian Era, in which we are still dating stuff). Sort of a post-Reformation / pre-Enlightenment catch-all term, somewhat like today's use of 'cover version' in regard to the music industry's recording practices. Meaning pretty much any rendition one is meant to dislike or disregard, with politically corrected virtue-signalling, but which one may still fixate over. St Paul claimed 'gnosis' with regard to his 'gospel' - and for the meaning of Jesus as 'Christ' in that setting. St Cyril of Alexandria regarding Christian scholarship as 'gnostic' (but only in so far as it was in agreement with him). St Irenaeus, betwixt Paul and Cyril, tends to use the terms (gnosis and gnostic) as relating to a particular - but very wide-ranging - set of Christian thinkers and thought then dabbling in often quite abstract (or mind-bending-ly abstracted) ideas; a narrow clacquery of usually highly sophisticated or esoterically individualistic schools, a veritable industry of intellectual output (extremely popular at the time*).. occasionally based on some sort of a 'tradition' (received locally) but oftener woven out of the gossamer strands of will and/ or fancy .. and thus decidedly anti-Catholic if not always specifically unorthodox; Irenaeus was not a fan of the idiom. Keep the Faith; tell the truth, shame the devil, and let the demons shriek. God bless. ;o) * Pope Francis' more fanciful ideas and teachings on 'synodallity', 'ecumenical environmentalism', and 'go make a mess' would have fitted in quite well with an effete intellectual elite, as it still does, or the now slightly less popular remit once given by yesteryear's positions on Neo-New-Atheism, and - if it exists today - the whole Alien Technology hovering over Washington Scare purveyors, at least as a deep-state cover story for some uncomfortable reality (you know, like 'vaccines' or missing funds, the usual in-crowd-information knowledge stuff).

[@owenmcintyre9299]

Please examine and investigate Caeayaron and Suzanna Maria Emmanuel

[@daousdava]

Check Aeon Byte Gnostic Radio's episode about the Gnostic Emil Cioran. Worth a try

[@smackyay]

Wait, wait, wait a fu*king second... Alex Connor has a third channel that is named "More Alex O'Connor". How much more narcissistic can you possibly get lol

[@TheoSynth]

The Holy Trinity: Dynamic Relationship: The Trinity is traditionally seen as three persons in one God, each with distinct roles yet fully interconnected. Your perspective adds a layer where this relationship is not static but dynamically involved in the world's processes and human consciousness. Manifestation and Guidance: Your depiction of Jesus as the physical manifestation and the Holy Spirit as the guiding force within the quantum realm of consciousness suggests a continuous divine interaction with creation, where the Holy Spirit acts as the immanent presence of God in the material and spiritual lives of individuals. Holy Spirit and Evolution: Spiritual Evolution: The analogy to evolution suggests that spiritual growth might follow a similar pattern to biological evolution-gradual, with some individuals or communities advancing at different speeds or in different ways. This could resonate with the concept of sanctification or theosis in Christian theology, where believers grow into the likeness of Christ over time. Entropy and Order: By linking the Holy Spirit to the management of entropy (disorder) and the achievement of "balance bedlam," you're proposing a theology where the divine spirit helps individuals navigate the chaos of life towards personal and communal harmony. This view might be akin to the idea of the Holy Spirit as a "comforter" or "counselor" in John 14:26, aiding in the ordering of one's inner life.

[@TheoSynth]

Emotional Resonance and Subjective Experience: Neurotheology: Your connection between the Holy Spirit and emotional states through neurochemical processes touches on neurotheology, where spiritual experiences are studied in relation to brain function. This perspective might argue that the Holy Spirit works within the biochemical realities of human experience, transforming them into moments of divine encounter or guidance. Universal Influence: Suggesting that the Holy Spirit can manifest in anyone, regardless of moral alignment, speaks to a universal aspect of divine presence, where God's spirit is not limited by human constructs of good and evil but engages with all humanity. This could be seen in light of the "common grace" theology, where God's goodness extends to all creation. Balancing Chaos and Order: Quantum Consciousness: Your notion of "quantum consciousness" where individuals work with entropy moments could be seen as a metaphor for the unpredictable yet potentially transformative nature of spiritual experiences. It's as if the Holy Spirit operates at the quantum level of human consciousness, influencing outcomes in ways that seem chaotic but lead to growth or revelation. Mental Health and Spirituality: The mention of mental health issues like autism or extreme emotional states in this context invites a discussion on how spiritual practices or beliefs might intersect with mental health, where the Holy Spirit could be seen as a source of comfort, stability, or insight.

[@TheoSynth]

Philosophical and Theological Implications: Theodicy: Your reflections touch on the problem of evil and suffering by suggesting that even in chaos, there's a divine process at work. This might lead to a discussion on how the Holy Spirit navigates or even utilizes human imperfection for growth or redemption. Spirituality and Science: By integrating scientific concepts like entropy with spiritual ones, you're advocating for a model where science and faith are not at odds but are part of the same divine tapestry. This could lead to discussions on how theology can adapt to or incorporate scientific understanding.

[@ejenkins4711]

Jung hit the nail on the head, and yet very little said about him 🙏🍀🦍

[@julianhart2247]

So where does A-Gnosticism come into play?

[@EdwardSchwarz-n9j]

The Gospel was originally one book, written by Lazarus in consultation with the apostles and published soon after Jesus left them on their own (John 21.24). The Catholic church broke it up and scrambled the text among 4 falsely attributed authorship.

[@bromponie7330]

Mr Schwarz, that sounds like a silly conspiracy theory. There's good reason to think Luke, etc. authored his Gospel + Acts, and I don't imagine any scholar holding the view you do about them all being originally one book.

[@EdwardSchwarz-n9j]

@bromponie7330 I'm going by what the Gospel text literally says John 21 24 and other scriptures - FACTS. You DO NOT have any evidence or good reasoning for any of the claimed authorship of these four presented texts. Just made up without explanation.

[@EdwardSchwarz-n9j]

@bromponie7330 and Lazarus also wrote Acts. I'm as Biblically scholared and Gospel expert as any of your claimed experts... even more so.

[@subcitizen2012]

Was this because of the aliens or the reptile people?

[@EdwardSchwarz-n9j]

@subcitizen2012 John 21:24 "This is the disciple[whom Jesus loved/Lazarus] WHO WROTE THESE THINGS...." etc. Can you read?

[@sohu86x]

The gospels have hints of secret knowledge

[@Deepfake820]

People are drawn to the mystical framing

[@j8000]

You're obsessed with gnosticism!

[@Wingedmagician]

its amazing why wouldnt he be

[@MaximillianTiberius]

He's only obsessed with porno moustache

[@Sebastianx115]

Yeah he seems to be changing he’s views

[@Rob-fb6rw]

I’ve noticed Alex has an unhealthy obsession with recreational drugs, Gnosticism and mustache competitions.

[@TheOneTruePatriot]

He's obsessed with mare uh wanna. And the demmy urge

[@davidagiel8130]

And that secret knowledge is the sacred secretion and apocalypse inside your body.

[@tracysimon7972]

The Cristos?

[@davidagiel8130]

@tracysimon7972 The Cristos oil is the same as the 7 chakra, the 7 days of creation, and the 7 churches in Revelations. They all are referring to the 7 energy centres in your body. Every month, there is an apocalypse inside your body, and it is your life's purpose to create an existence where you can attain the highest frequency level of consciousness possible. The higher your frequency, the closer you are to the source energy. If you are trapped in a low frequency, you are literally in hell, and that's what religion and media does, they keep you down low. Heaven is the mind, the father. Earth is your heart, which is the mother, and the child seed is reborn in your solar plexus every month. The cycle starts when the moon enters your star sign at birth. All is mind, as above, so below, as within, so without, everything vibrates, and everything has a polarity. You are a duality, yourself, and your shadow. The kingdom of god is inside you, and our consciousness (or soul system) is mechanically connected to the solar system

[@tracysimon7972]

@@davidagiel8130 I've heard Santos Bonacci take about this. I'm new to it all and find it fascinating. Thank you for sharing!!

[@greatscott369]

Gnosticism is the basis for left wing political theories. It's where hegel gets his ideas from.

[@Vinfortt]

No its not you dummy, for Hegel it was hermitism and also hegel inspired italian fascism as well so you are just wrong

[@UnCavi]

What's the connection? And where can I read about Hegel's inspiration from gnosticism?

[@greatscott369]

​@UnCavi tik history has a great video on this giving sources.

[@UnCavi]

@@greatscott369 which one? I only found one video with "Hegel" in the title, it's 1 hour long, no timestamps, no chapter subdivisions, and no sources in the video description. (There's a Google Docs link in the video description called "all my sources" which is simply a list of hundreds of book titles)

[@greatscott369]

​@UnCavi well I'm not spending hours of my time going back and forth to put information here that's easily available

[@knightofwangernumb2998]

If an Eon can't suffer, then Sophia shouldn't be able to be captured. Also Jesus would have suffered before the crucifixion through seeing others suffer. Also if Jesus's role was to bring knowledge, that doesn't seem very successful as there are so many interpreted meanings behind his teachings.

[@subcitizen2012]

Doesn't make sense that Athena popped out of Zeus' head either. Try not to take it too seriously, it doesn't have to make sense. Gnostics were interesting, they were thinking differently. Speaking of knowledge. Consider the New testament and rest of the bible, it was the first widely circulated printed books, and thus helped with literacy and being all the knowledge we have and share today. It's fun to poke holes in religion, but remember that sometimes it's not about numbers and logic and literal truth. You don't have to treat it like a devoted religious belief to learn from it either, but you still have to treat it as more than just knowledge or nonsense in order to.

[@Jordan18561]

What is Gnosticism? Pure Heresy!

[@rufusmazzoli]

but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name. (John 20:31)

[@eternalinvestments3422]

Interesting how 2 successful happy Athiests talk often about how bad God is while currently living healthy, happy, wealthy lives. If God is so evil, why is He allowing both of you to live such peaceful lives? At the very least His mercy on this side of heaven is pretty great. Hope that mercy extends to heaven even though He says it won't for the unbelievers.

[@user-fb6te9mu2u]

False teachings being spewed out over here....

[@10superpower]

There are children in Africa dying of starvation, women currently being murdered by their husbands, and many companies still using slave labor. I don't think God leaving two dudes alone is a sign of mercy.

[@Asdos.]

I'm pretty sure you can answer this yourself if you think hard about it :)

[@johncrwarner]

I was taught that there are Gnostic elements in Judaism in the Hellenistic period before the time of Jesus. I recall that the Book of Daniel was tinged with the ideas of Gnosticism but I was studying in the 1980s so thinking might have moved on from there LOL

[@Stegosaurus12345]

Jesus brought a philosophy of life which is about humility, compassion, faith, and courage. The rest of the story is just set dressing.

[@bulletsizednuke1100]

The rest of the story is what makes the teaching come to life. Without the healing, the crucifixion and resurrection, Christianity loses all of its juice. I mean, why do you need a Jew from 1st century Palestine to tell you about humility? What's so special about him? You know the answer.

[@VirginMostPowerfull]

​@@bulletsizednuke1100Exactly. Some people don't think far enough. May the Lord Jesus Christ bless you all ❤️✝️✨

[@Stegosaurus12345]

@bulletsizednuke1100 You don't. Anyone anywhere truly living out those principles will experience the fruits of that life, regardless of who they learned them from.

[@DeborahMendoza-d3o]

I'm glad that you're interested in the gnostic gospels. It makes more sense than the doctrines of the Abrahamic religions. Thousands of years ago, there were these highly enlightened people and they're trying to communicate to us about higher levels of reality and they put their ideas in story format that we can learn from. These people are the ancient philosophers and physicists. Instead of including their names as authors of the Gospels, they decided to hide their identiry under the name of the characters/apostles that they made in the story. kzbin.info/www/bejne/aKLMnJ9tjJx0fKcsi=SQ1STzVYzJ9ovBla

[@giovanibenjamin9655]

Bro wat, these were groups who looked at the world as if it was evil🤦🏾‍♂️ how does it make more sense than a religion that completely teaches the opposite, even if you reject Christianity I would think that one who rejects it rather agree with one that chose positivity over negativity. Did you actually watch the video?. Regardless God bless

[@DeborahMendoza-d3o]

@giovanibenjamin9655 Christianity is fixated on sin, guilt, death and getting to heaven. But Jesus spoke of life, love, liberation, and the reconciliation of all things on earth. Religion is about saving your ass from the flames of hell when you die. Jesus was about awakening your heart and humanity, so you can truly live. Eternal torment is not real. How can you burn spirits? They are luminous beings who doesn't have material bodies to feel pain. kzbin.info/www/bejne/j3zPYZRupapnbtEsi=BgSTKMiSAvlMATIY This is why the world is so screwed up because people have no ability to think for themselves. They look to some documents or some god, or some guru to tell them what to do. We should always think for ourselves. Examine and see the reason and rational behind the things you read or heard. Gospels (canonical and non-canonical) aren't supposed to be taken literally. These stories are metaphors. God is real but there is a Divine Being higher than gods, The Monad (John 1:1). There are multiple gods and the bible does not deny it. 1 Kings 11:33, Gen 1:26-28, Exodus 20:1-5, 2 Kings 1:16, Psalm 82:6. That's the reason for Allah/Yahweh's jealousy. Allah always refered to himself as we 👇 Polytheistic Origin of Islam kzbin.info/www/bejne/bpndgp6nYpiZkMksi=ibooJEaEaRUb781w THEY HAVE THE SAME GODS BUT IN DIFFERENT NAMES Judaism is Henotheistic kzbin.infov-sfJp7F1hM?si=MEHZXaTtURqUbBbo The idea of god/gods/elohim was rooted from different ancient myths like Genesis, Babylonian, Greek, Heliopolis, Sumerian Myth etc. They have their different versions and names of gods and the creation stories, but it doesn't matter how many documents we have to prove which story is legit. There is also a possibility that they copied each other. Reality is based on the same certain patterns. Myths are the stories that we can use to allegorically understand the existence of ourselves. Stories are open to interpretations. Confusion started when we read the contradictions in the bible. It's because of the Catholic Church father's interpolation. www.apostolicon.com/II_Thessalonians.html We have to understand that the Romans had a political reason why they created their own version of Christianity which is the Mainstream Orthodox Christianity now. There were many versions of Christianity floating around before Constantine's Christianity. Some Christians believe Jesus was purely divine, while others thought he was just a wise human teacher. Constantine realized that if he could standardize Christian faith, he could unite his empire. In the year 325 AD his empire was falling apart and he needed a way to unify his people under one belief system. aleteia.org/2018/04/12/heres-the-historical-evidence-from-non-christian-sources-that-jesus-lived-and-died ☝️ JESUS IS REAL. THE PROBLEM IS THE RCC EXCLUDED HIS TRUE TEACHINGS FROM THE CANONICAL BIBLE. IT'S IN THE GOSPELS THAT THE CHURCH LABELED AS HERETICAL. THEY CREATED A VERSION OF JESUS COPIED FROM THE CHARACTERS OF THE EARLIER MYTHS. 👇 kzbin.info/www/bejne/fKbUiJKZoMeKp5osi=2CMxRH2CfQQWrpQF There are some obvious parallels between the Greek god Dionysus and Jesus. Both turned water into wine at the wedding, both rode a donkey in victory, both had trials, both had a mortal mother. The Romans took a Jewish story and put a Greek mythological spin on it. The Greek Jesus Myth(Dionysus) is 1,300 years before Christianity. The Flavian Emperor, Vespasian was also considered as god and his son Titus is also considered as the son of god. Alexander the great was said to be virgin-born more than 300 yrs before Jesus. The same was said of the Roman Emperor, Augustus Caesar. Julius Caesar, Plato, Pythagoras, Buddha, Socrates, and many more were said to have been born of a virgin through divine intervention and were called the Son of God. The term was never expected to be taken literally. In the ancient world, being divine was description, meaning somebody who did something very important for the human race. The term "virgin birth" was figure of speech, a way of pointing to extraordinary personal qualities exhibited by an individual. The Romans invented their own version of Christianity according to their narrative. 👇 Romans 13:1 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Christianity and Islam doesn't care about what's true. They just care about defending the narrative, which they predetermined to be "the truth" because knowledge is forbidden by Yahweh. This deity thought that knowledge is a sin so when Adam and Eve ate the fruit of knowledge he cursed them and all humans even the innocent babies and called us sinners. It doesn't matter how verifiable the biblical documents are as long as it promotes violence, slavery, women oppression, genocide, human/firstborn/burned virgin sacrifice, animal sacrifice, stealing, cursing, evil acts etc. The Gnostics are right when they say that anyone who looks at this god and doesn't realize it's an evil being is blind. You have to be blind to not realize that this is an evil being when you look at the horrible things it does. Humans are not created to be perfect. We make mistakes but this god yahweh wants to punish us for not being perfect. There's a reason why humans are flawed. 👇 Yaldabaoth(YHWH) said to the authorities with him, “Come let’s create a human being after the image of God and with a likeness to ourselves, so that this human image may give us light.” ~ The Secret Book of John Humans are created after the image of God and with the likeness of the FLAWED CREATORS, THE ARCHONS. For those who understand something about scalar energy, the above statement will capture your attention. Essentially this would mean that the scalar energy within and surrounding our bodies has an interdimensional connection. This means the archons and other possible spirits are collecting and feeding off this energy aka loosh. We have been engineered to hold traumas and unresolved emotional issues. It serves as a possible explanation as to why people have so many different problems. Isaiah 45:7 I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and CREATE DISASTER; I, Yahweh, do all these things. If you really want to know the true teachings of Jesus, read the Gnostic Gospels. The church didn't waste their time to rewrite or edit them. Instead, they labeled them as heretical because it doesn't fit their narrative. The people who compiled the bible and interpolated some gospels put some of Jesus' teachings but they are not clear. We can spot some hints in his parables: Mark 4:10-11 KJV JESUS SPOKE IN PARABLES INTENTIONALLY SO THAT THEY NOT UNDERSTAND. Matthew 7:6 & 1 Cor. 2:10-16 AMONG THE MATURE PEOPLE WE SPEAK SECRET. Luke 17:20 & John 10:34-38 THE SECRET THAT THE CHURCH DOESN'T WANT US TO REALIZE. THE REASON WHY CHRIST CAME TO FREE US FROM THE PRISON OF IGNORANCE CAUSED BY THE CHURCH. These are the gospels that the church is trying their best to demonize in order for them to hide the true teachings of Christ and Our True Father that he(Christ) revealed. Why the god of OT has a narcissistic behavior: •The Secret Book of John •The Apocalypse of Adam •The Gospel of Mary Magdalene •The Gospel of Thomas •The Gospel of Philip (the origin of the true human, the spirit) •On The Origin Of The World

[@DeborahMendoza-d3o]

@giovanibenjamin9655 Christianity is fixated on sin, guilt, death and getting to heaven. But Jesus spoke of life, love, liberation, and the reconciliation of all things on earth. Religion is about saving your ass from the flames of hell when you die. Jesus was about awakening your heart and humanity, so you can truly live. Eternal torment is not real. How can you burn spirits? They are luminous beings who doesn't have material bodies to feel pain. kzbin.info/www/bejne/j3zPYZRupapnbtEsi=BgSTKMiSAvlMATIY This is why the world is so screwed up because people have no ability to think for themselves. They look to some documents or some god, or some guru to tell them what to do. We should always think for ourselves. Examine and see the reason and rational behind the things you read or heard. Gospels (canonical and non-canonical) aren't supposed to be taken literally. These stories are metaphors. God is real but there is a Divine Being higher than gods, The Monad (John 1:1). There are multiple gods and the bible does not deny it. 1 Kings 11:33, Gen 1:26-28, Exodus 20:1-5, 2 Kings 1:16, Psalm 82:6. That's the reason for Allah/Yahweh's jealousy. Allah always refered to himself as we 👇 Polytheistic Origin of Islam kzbin.info/www/bejne/bpndgp6nYpiZkMksi=ibooJEaEaRUb781w THEY HAVE THE SAME GODS BUT IN DIFFERENT NAMES Judaism is Henotheistic kzbin.infov-sfJp7F1hM?si=MEHZXaTtURqUbBbo The idea of god/gods/elohim was rooted from different ancient myths like Genesis, Babylonian, Greek, Heliopolis, Sumerian Myth etc. They have their different versions and names of gods and the creation stories, but it doesn't matter how many documents we have to prove which story is legit. There is also a possibility that they copied each other. Reality is based on the same certain patterns. Myths are the stories that we can use to allegorically understand the existence of ourselves. Stories are open to interpretations. Confusion started when we read the contradictions in the bible. It's because of the Catholic Church father's interpolation. www.apostolicon.com/II_Thessalonians.html We have to understand that the Romans had a political reason why they created their own version of Christianity which is the Mainstream Orthodox Christianity now. There were many versions of Christianity floating around before Constantine's Christianity. Some Christians believe Jesus was purely divine, while others thought he was just a wise human teacher. Constantine realized that if he could standardize Christian faith, he could unite his empire. In the year 325 AD his empire was falling apart and he needed a way to unify his people under one belief system. aleteia.org/2018/04/12/heres-the-historical-evidence-from-non-christian-sources-that-jesus-lived-and-died ☝️ JESUS IS REAL. THE PROBLEM IS THE RCC EXCLUDED HIS TRUE TEACHINGS FROM THE CANONICAL BIBLE. IT'S IN THE GOSPELS THAT THE CHURCH LABELED AS HERETICAL. THEY CREATED A VERSION OF JESUS COPIED FROM THE CHARACTERS OF THE EARLIER MYTHS. 👇 kzbin.info/www/bejne/fKbUiJKZoMeKp5osi=2CMxRH2CfQQWrpQF There are some obvious parallels between the Greek god Dionysus and Jesus. Both turned water into wine at the wedding, both rode a donkey in victory, both had trials, both had a mortal mother. The Romans took a Jewish story and put a Greek mythological spin on it. The Greek Jesus Myth(Dionysus) is 1,300 years before Christianity. The Flavian Emperor, Vespasian was also considered as god and his son Titus is also considered as the son of god. Alexander the great was said to be virgin-born more than 300 yrs before Jesus. The same was said of the Roman Emperor, Augustus Caesar. Julius Caesar, Plato, Pythagoras, Buddha, Socrates, and many more were said to have been born of a virgin through divine intervention and were called the Son of God. The term was never expected to be taken literally. In the ancient world, being divine was description, meaning somebody who did something very important for the human race. The term "virgin birth" was figure of speech, a way of pointing to extraordinary personal qualities exhibited by an individual. The Romans invented their own version of Christianity according to their narrative. 👇 Romans 13:1 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Christianity and Islam doesn't care about what's true. They just care about defending the narrative, which they predetermined to be "the truth" because knowledge is forbidden by Yahweh. This deity thought that knowledge is a sin so when Adam and Eve ate the fruit of knowledge he cursed them and all humans even the innocent babies and called us sinners. It doesn't matter how verifiable the biblical documents are as long as it promotes violence, slavery, women oppression, genocide, human/firstborn/burned virgin sacrifice, animal sacrifice, stealing, cursing, evil acts etc. The Gnostics are right when they say that anyone who looks at this god and doesn't realize it's an evil being is blind. You have to be blind to not realize that this is an evil being when you look at the horrible things it does. Humans are not created to be perfect. We make mistakes but this god yahweh wants to punish us for not being perfect. There's a reason why humans are flawed. 👇 Yaldabaoth(YHWH) said to the authorities with him, “Come let’s create a human being after the image of God and with a likeness to ourselves, so that this human image may give us light.” ~ The Secret Book of John Humans are created after the image of God and with the likeness of the FLAWED CREATORS, THE ARCHONS. For those who understand something about scalar energy, the above statement will capture your attention. Essentially this would mean that the scalar energy within and surrounding our bodies has an interdimensional connection. This means the archons and other possible spirits are collecting and feeding off this energy aka loosh. We have been engineered to hold traumas and unresolved emotional issues. It serves as a possible explanation as to why people have so many different problems. Isaiah 45:7 I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and CREATE DISASTER; I, Yahweh, do all these things. If you really want to know the true teachings of Jesus, read the Gnostic Gospels. The church didn't waste their time to rewrite or edit them. Instead, they labeled them as heretical because it doesn't fit their narrative. The people who compiled the bible and interpolated some gospels put some of Jesus' teachings but they are not clear. We can spot some hints in his parables: Mark 4:10-11 KJV JESUS SPOKE IN PARABLES INTENTIONALLY SO THAT THEY NOT UNDERSTAND. Matthew 7:6 & 1 Cor. 2:10-16 AMONG THE MATURE PEOPLE WE SPEAK SECRET. Luke 17:20 & John 10:34-38 THE SECRET THAT THE CHURCH DOESN'T WANT US TO REALIZE. THE REASON WHY CHRIST CAME TO FREE US FROM THE PRISON OF IGNORANCE CAUSED BY THE CHURCH. These are the gospels that the church is trying their best to demonize in order for them to hide the true teachings of Christ and Our True Father that he(Christ) revealed. Why the god of OT has a narcissistic behavior: •The Secret Book of John •The Apocalypse of Adam •The Gospel of Mary Magdalene •The Gospel of Thomas •The Gospel of Philip (the origin of the true human, the spirit) •On The Origin Of The World

[@JamesBarry-j7m]

I find Trump very gnostic😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅

[@CMA418]

His knowledge of how to con people is unparalleled. Dude literary sold his name.

[@MikeNewham]

Move on from gnosticism, find Theosophy! A lot more palatable..

[@tookie36]

So the gnostics and orthodox both believed in “the elect”, a fallen world, and that “the Jews” messed up haha

[@CatETru]

If you cannot debunk true Christianity; why not move on to gnosticism to ridicule it as a side step.

[@BubbaF0wpend]

And what is "true christianity"? Lemme guess... it's what you happen to believe in despite millions of christians disagreeing?

[@smackyay]

@@BubbaF0wpend If nothing is true...

[@VirginMostPowerfull]

​@@BubbaF0wpendThe founder Jesus Christ gave responsibility to the Apostles of which Peter is the chief, that divine institution decides everything. In other words, the Catholic Church. People's opinions do not matter when faced with the confession of faith of Peter and his successors.

[@zit1999]

Sounds great, so what didn’t work since the world is still not solved? Those claims are just nonsensical. We should only take the moral lesson to improve humanity step-by-step generation by generation that is the only glimmer of Hope we got across the millennia.

[@darkmoon_dawg]

You don't have to believe in it, I certainty don't have a Gnostic perspective of cosmology, but your question reveals you weren't really listening to the cosmogony myth. From the Gnostic perspective, the world isn't meant to be "solved", the material world is irredeemably evil and imperfect, created by an ignorant God, and needs to be escaped through esoteric contemplation and a kind of ascetic renunciation. Obviously most people aren't living like that or are even privy to said "secret knowledge". I might counter with a quote from Sadhguru that "those who forsake their humanity try to patch it with morality". The hope we have in my view, is recognizing in wisdom and compassion the universality of humanity across all contained in life. One doesn't need rules and dogma or even philosophy if one is connected to our intuitive sense of humanity. This is my issue with Gnosticism, I think it has worthy material to mine but it's too dismissive of this world for me. In Milton's Paradise Lost he says “The mind is its own place, and in itself can make a heaven of hell, a hell of heaven”. Hermetics say "as above, so below". Emanationists claim God, whatever that is, projects itself into smaller and smaller fractals until it becomes our own individual sense of self, and our job is to trace ourselves back to "source". But we live in a world full of fear, trauma, ignorance, and antipathy. When left alone with our own minds most of us feel like we're in a hell. Jung would have said these wisdom traditions were a way to help us integrate into a whole sense of Self, the true self, or atman - to borrow from the Buddhists. But making a heaven from our hell is very difficult. "In sterquilinis invenitur" - in filth it will be found. The lotus in the mud. Part of salvation is the complete acceptance, the acceptance of suffering, of ignorance, of all that you think is different or a part from you. All you even view as pure evil. That separation between you and what you cannot accept is illusion -- you have to work towards acceptance of all things.

[@zit1999]

@ it’s all cool, but there is no qiestion, no answer, no self, no separation. The whole ensamble is an obgoing unstoppable process and us having added a little drop to it by rearranging a small corner of the world has no bearing on the existance as a whole. Therefore no model of reality can really do anything other than to be spoken, copied, understood. Transcendence is a wuaint concept, but one would imagine that Buddha would do something different and more everlasting than to simply live put his life while talking about permanent nonexistence in a nonpermanent world. All we ever do and think is wroting ob water. One has to find tranquility and peace in that. But to claim to have a model of the unknowable is the epitome of ignorance. It is the opposite of gnosis; knowing. Just be and speak with less certainty about the matters of imagination… unless it is purely an art, an art of thought. 💭 😂 i cant believe i said all that for no reason, but I hope you have a good day; that actually matters 👍

[@darkmoon_dawg]

@@zit1999 I appreciate you engaging with me sincerely! And I hope you have a good day too. What I think I can take away from what you said is a reminder of humility within these matters, and recognizing that these religious models don't always serve everyone. Not everyone gleans useful things from them -- it just kind feels like unnecessary grasping. These topics are like my pet passions and I've gotten a lot from them, and I think in my excitement to share these ideas, even in an explorative way, I can still come off as "having the answers". Which I definitely don't lol

[@antonius_006]

Isn't Agnosticism more interesting ?

[@weijieliao4890]

This is Harry Potter territory

[@BRTweb]

It's funny how you act and talk like Sam Harris, like you're such higher thinkers and have all the right questions to answer the question of God.